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STAYING AWAY FROM THE CHURCH IS ALSO VERY POPULAR THESE LAST DAYS TOO., MANY A  PERSONS LAST WEEK TRY TO JUSTIFY THEIR STAYING AWAY FROM THE CHURCH BUT IN THE END THEY HURT ONLY THEMSELVES.

Once bitten twice shy, but if you fall off the horse and if you do not get back on you generally next never will

50 percent of the Christians I know eventually fall away from God for wrong personal reasons too

Almost nothing in life can match a good marriage, and almost nothing in life is as bad as a marriage that has gone bad too.. same is true of a good church

of course we know that the devil will keep you away from the church firstly.

To me a good church is like a good restaurant, I am happy and well fed.. of course I hate bad restaurants too but I do not stop going to a restaurant cause there are bad restaurants now too.. I do not throw out the baby with the wash water … sadly most churches I went to now were really boring, bad.. but there are good churches even if sometime very hard to find.. Keep the faith.. find a good church.. forsaking not the fellowshipping of one with another

One thing that has really helped me is that when I go to a church I generally refuse to listen to the preacher or to talk to him, I go instead to listen only to God there… and I am not disappointed.

The full Gospel is not good news,. it is the good and bad news..

I used to go to church 5 days a week, evenings from 6 pm to 12 pm, because their churches services were holy spirit filled, holy spirit inspired.. and you can spot such services, churches, cause you cannot predict what will happen from one minute to the next unless those too often bad, predicable churches, services.. legalistic, dead churches.. God churches have good prayer warriors firstly, and people who apply the Bible, teaching of Jesus.

SOME PEOPLE REALLY HATE TO HEAR, READ THE TRUTH FOR IT RIGHTFULLY MAKES THEM FEEL SHAMED, DISGUSTED WITH THEMSELVES, BAD PASTORS, BAD COPS, BAD PEOPLE ESPECIALLY.. OSTRICH DENIAL..

see also http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/the-silent-seduction/

Church Revivals do often happen, and can happen in any church as well.. it is conditional on weekly, regularly praying for it, and seeking God with a whole heart as well.. but unfortunately when I have seen revivals, I love them too, I have seen many of them but often I have also seen the wheat and the tares coexisting at these revivals.. some of people continually attending the revival who refused to be changed themselves, even some of the leaders now too.. I had a particular acquaintance of mind attend church for hours 5 days a week even during a revival with no change is his life.. when I prayed about it God said he allowed the person to see the kingdom of heaven from afar but he will still not enter into it next… I have often encountered such typical interested only persons.. sad.
Personal revival is what God wants first.. that begins in our daily, home, life with him too.

(Eph 5:27 KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

(1 Pet 1:19 KJV) But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Remember in the book of Act first revival, Pentecost, the next some people died, were judged by God..

I made a study of historical past revivals and wars , cause had noted revivals often had came first and serious large scale wars came next.. and many were killed in the wars who had refused to be spiritually revived before the war.. frightening ..

God is not mocked what a person sows he reaps.. some people have approached the Lord’s table unworthily and next suffer for it..

To me a sad clue for a still unspiritual person is reflected by the amount of time he or she actually goes to a prayer meeting.. I have known of many a persons who have been professing Christians for decades and yet never went to a Wednesday night prayer meeting.

One thing that really, really bothers me when so many Churches cancel some of their services for the summer holidays, or to allow people to be with they families.. no wonder many of these churches are dead next still..

http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-last-days-outpouring-of-the-holy-spirit/

(2 Cor 13:11 KJV) Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Many people are falsely led these days to believe they can have, attain anything they want, which is not so.. Jesus Christ predetermines what is good, needful, essential personally for you.

The same Jesus Christ who has said (John 15:5 KJV) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

WHEN I WAS A YOUNG MAN I WAS IN A CHURCH SERVICE WHERE A LONG WINDED UNSPIRITUAL PREACHER WAS PREACHING.. he next asked the congregation for more time to finish his wasteful sermon. THE HEAD ELDER NEXT ADDRESSED HIM AND TOLD HIM TO SIT DOWN HE HAD WASTED ENOUGH OF THEIR TIME. That did more good overall also than one merely patiently sitting there wafting for the service to be over.

(Prov 27:5 KJV) Open rebuke is better than secret love. 6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.(1 Tim 5:20 KJV) Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. 21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. 22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure. (Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.(Rev 3:21 KJV) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (Rev 3:22 KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. (Gal 3:28 KJV) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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God bless you
God was, IS always there with me, still looking after me too, all the time

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/as-to-why-some-have-left-their-church/

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A very common concern in life is what to do about a bad husband who is clearly going to Hell.
 
(1 Cor 6:9 KJV)  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11  And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12  All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
13  Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
14  And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15  Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16  What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17  But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18  Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20  For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.
7:1  Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2  Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3  Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4  The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5  Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
6  But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7  For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8  I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
9  But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
10  And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11  But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12  But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13  And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14  For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15  But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
16  For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
17  But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
 
The  Bible clearly says that a good Christian wife can influence, change her husband for the good by her own good behavior.. and why hasn’t she yet? 

1 Peter 3: 1 In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, 2 as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. 3 And let not your adornment be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; 4 but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.

5 For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands. 6 Thus Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.

” Peter surely forbids a wife to nag her husband with the gospel. This can be blatant or subtle, but it is nevertheless something the husband is keenly aware of and strongly resists. Proverbs indicates that this tendency to nag is one which tempts us all, but especially the wife.
A foolish son is destruction to his father, And the contentions of a wife are a constant dripping (Proverbs 19:13).

Second, Peter forbids debate. While nagging may be one method one might use to persuade another, arguing is another. Nagging, by my definition, is simply trying to wear another down by repeating the same things over and over (some folks even try this on God in their prayer life, see Matthew 6:7). Debate is the effort to change another’s mind by continually approaching the discussion from a different point of view, by trying any and every line of argument.

Third, Peter forbids those subtle forms of persuasion which may produce natural responses but fail to produce supernatural conversion. Jesus warned about carefully prepared presentations of the gospel rather than a reliance upon the Holy Spirit (Luke 21:12-15). The apostle Paul is especially sensitive to human forms of persuasion, which he sees as contrary to the way the Spirit works to convince and convert the lost (1 Corinthians 2:1-5; 2 Corinthians 2:17; 4:1-2; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12).

In 2 Timothy, 2 Peter, and Jude, we are warned about false teachers who appeal to fleshly lusts rather than the impulses of the Spirit. I believe a woman may have an even greater danger in this area than men. Women may seek to use flattery to persuade and may even employ seductive wiles on her husband.

To deliver you from the strange woman, From the adulteress who flatters with her words (Proverbs 2:16).To keep you from the evil woman, From the smooth tongue of the adulteress (Proverbs 6:24).

Delilah’s seduction was the downfall of Samson. One does not seduce another into the kingdom of God, though some most certainly seduce others into error (see Revelation 2:20-22). Using this kind of speech may not be offensive to her husband, but it is certainly inconsistent with the gospel.

Peter’s instruction is not merely negative, forbidding Christian wives to verbally pressure their husbands to come to faith in Christ. Rather, in place of her words, wives are to witness to their husbands through their works. Husbands should be able to observe that their wives are different than they were before they came to faith. They should especially be characterized by a behavior which is chaste and respectful. The remaining four verses spell out the meaning of these words, but let us at least come to a preliminary definition of them.

The word “respectful” is literally “fear” as the marginal note in the New American Standard Bible indicates. The “fear” called for here seems to be the wife’s “fear” or respect for her husband rather than her fear of God, though both are certainly required of her (see 1 Peter 1:17; 2:17; Ephesians 5:33).

The word “chaste” is employed a number of times in the New Testament, often with a meaning broader than just sexual purity.89 However, here I believe sexual purity is a prominent part of Peter’s meaning.90 A wife may influence her husband in many ways to control or at least manipulate him. Making your husband jealous is one way which is often considered not only clever but acceptable. Chastity is pressed beyond its limits when this form of manipulation is practiced. In some cases, the wife may not wish to control her husband as much as to gain the attention and admiration or another man. This is also clearly out of bounds. The wife’s feminine charms are for the glory and enjoyment of her husband and no other. Peter calls the wife to live by the highest moral standards, not merely by those of the culture in which she lives.

The Ultimate Beauty (3:3-4)
3 And let not your adornment be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;91 4 but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.

The problem of looking on outward appearances is not restricted only to women:

But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for God [sees] not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart” (1 Samuel 16:7).

And He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God” (Luke 16:15; see also Matthew 6:1ff.).

In both the Old and New Testaments, however, outward adornment became an obsession and therefore a matter for rebuke and instruction:

16 Moreover, the LORD said, “Because the daughters of Zion are proud, and walk with heads held high and seductive eyes, and go along with mincing steps, and tinkle the bangles on their feet, 17 therefore the Lord will afflict the scalp of the daughters of Zion with scabs, and the LORD will make their foreheads bare.” 18 In that day the Lord will take away the beauty of [their] anklets, headbands, crescent ornaments, 19 dangling earrings, bracelets, veils, 20 headdresses, ankle chains, sashes, perfume boxes, amulets, 21 finger rings, nose rings, 22 festal robes, outer tunics, cloaks, money purses, 23 hand mirrors, undergarments, turbans, and veils. 24 Now it will come about that instead of sweet perfume there will be putrefaction; instead of a belt, a rope; instead of well-set hair, a plucked-out scalp; instead of fine clothes, a donning of sackcloth; and branding instead of beauty. 25 Your men will fall by the sword, and your mighty ones in battle (Isaiah 3:16-25).

9 Likewise, [I want] women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments; 10 but rather by means of good works, as befits women making a claim to godliness (1 Timothy 2:9-10).

In the days in which Peter lived, those with the means to do so went to great extremes in dress, cosmetics, and hair styling to look good to others:

Ornate hairstyles were prevalent in the high society of the Roman world:

‘Curl climbs on top of curl and over the forehead there arose something which at its best looked like the chef d’oeuvre of a master pastry cook and, at its worst, like a dry sponge. At the back the hair was plaited, and the braids arranged in a coil which looks like basketwork.’92

While outward appearances affect every believer, male or female (see Matthew 6; and 23:5-6), Peter particularly instructs married women about their priorities concerning true beauty. There is nothing wrong with dressing in a way that pleases one’s mate. It is no sin to be well-dressed (see Proverbs 31:22). But it is wrong to be preoccupied with outward appearances at the expense of inward beauty. A beautiful woman who lacks inner beauty and character is, according to Proverbs, like a pig with a gold ring in its nose.

[As] a ring of gold in a swine’s snout, [So is] a beautiful woman who lacks discretion (Proverbs 11:22).

Not only is it wrong for a woman (or a man) to place too high a value on external appearances, it is likewise evil to seek man’s approval rather than to strive to please God. That which pleases God is a “gentle and quiet spirit.” This is hardly the contemporary estimate of the ideal woman. Our culture teaches women to practice assertiveness and aggressiveness and outer beauty, rather than to acquire a gentle and quiet spirit.

Why is modest apparel and a “gentle and quiet spirit” pleasing to God? What does this have to do with submission, the major topic of our text? Biblical submission is more than most Christians think. Many Christians are resistant to the biblical teaching of the submission of the wife to her husband. And even those who accept this teaching may think of submission primarily in terms of obeying their husband, of following his leadership.

The submission of the wife to her husband certainly includes honoring him and obeying him, whether this is popular thought or not. But the submission of the wife to her husband is much more than this. Creation requires the submission of the wife to her husband (1 Corinthians 11:7-12), as does the fall (Genesis 3:16; 1 Timothy 2:12-15). It is necessitated by the picture marriage is to portray about the relationship between Christ and His church (Ephesians 5:22-33). It is to demonstrate the headship of Christ over the church (1 Corinthians 11:2-16).

The headship of Christ involves more than His authority and rule over the church. It includes the fact that He is the source of the church, that the church was brought forth through Him. It also involves the supremacy and preeminence of Christ. The glory is to be His, not ours. We are here for His glory. The glory of God must be one of our guiding goals and principles (1 Corinthians 10:31).

When the woman ceases to act with a “quiet and gentle spirit,” she begins to promote herself and bring attention to herself. Rather than being the glory of her husband, she steals the glory from him. The same is true of her attire. She may never utter a word publicly, but she may dress in a way which causes every eye to be fixed on her. To do so is to cast aside the headship of her husband and the submission required of her. No wonder Peter and Paul speak of a woman’s dress and demeanor.

But a woman can attract just as much attention to herself by looking sloppy and unkempt as she can by being “dressed to kill.” Whenever a woman attracts attention to herself rather than to her husband, she has failed to grasp and obey the biblical teaching on submission.

23 Her husband is known in the gates, When he sits among the elders of the land. 24 She makes linen garments and sells [them,] And supplies belts to the tradesmen. 25 Strength and dignity are her clothing, And she smiles at the future. 26 She opens her mouth in wisdom, And the teaching of kindness is on her tongue. 27 She looks well to the ways of her household, And does not eat the bread of idleness. 28 Her children rise up and bless her; Her husband [also,] and he praises her, [saying:] 29 “Many daughters have done nobly, But you excel them all.” 30 Charm is deceitful and beauty is vain, [But] a woman who fears the LORD, she shall be praised. 31 Give her the product of her hands, And let her works praise her in the gates (Proverbs 31:23-31).

The Example of Holy Women of Old
(3:5-6)
5 For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands. 6 Thus Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.93

A “gentle and quiet spirit” is totally the opposite of the spirit of the contentious wife of Proverbs (see Proverbs 21:9, 19). The spirit or disposition which underlies submission is of crucial importance. Peter turns our attention to the “holy women of old,” not to remind us of how they dressed but to point to their submissive spirit, their source of true beauty. Notice these women were submissive to their “own” husbands, not because their trust was in their husbands but because their hope was in God. They trusted God to work through their husbands and to work in spite of them. Their hope, like every Old Testament saint (see Hebrews 11), was not in this life but in the kingdom of God to come. Their hope was in God alone who would bring it to pass.

Sarah is the one woman Peter identifies by name. Quite frankly, I would never have picked Sarah for she always seemed to be a kind of feminine counterpart to Lot. As I read Genesis 16 and 21, I find Sarah a little hard to like. She, like Lot and every other saint, was not a perfect saint. But she did exemplify the submissive spirit of which Peter speaks.

Peter refers to Sarah calling Abraham “lord,” as recorded the one time in Genesis:

9 Then they said to him, “Where is Sarah your wife?” And he said, “Behold, in the tent.” 10 And he said, “I will surely return to you at this time next year; and behold, Sarah your wife shall have a son.” And Sarah was listening at the tent door, which was behind him. 11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in age; Sarah was past childbearing. 12 And Sarah laughed to herself, saying, “After I have become old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?” 13 And the LORD said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh, saying, ‘Shall I indeed bear [a child,] when I am [so] old?’ 14 “Is anything too difficult for the LORD? At the appointed time I will return to you, at this time next year, and Sarah shall have a son.” 15 Sarah denied [it] however, saying, “I did not laugh”; for she was afraid. And He said, “No, but you did laugh” (Genesis 18:9-15).

Sarah may have called Abraham lord at other times, but this instance is especially noteworthy. Peter has been contrasting inner beauty with outer adornment and the beauty of a “gentle and quiet spirit.” This passage in Genesis illustrates Sarah’s spirit.

The angels have come to Abraham’s camp and been invited to stay for a meal. They then announce to Abraham that at this time next year Sarah will have a son. Sarah seems to have been eavesdropping, for when she heard the prophecy of a son, she laughed to herself. The words recorded in Genesis 18:12 are the words Sarah thought to herself. She did not speak them aloud, although the Lord was aware that she laughed inwardly.

Most of us speak respectfully to someone’s face, even if hypocritically. But Sarah spoke to herself calling Abraham “lord,” indicating the way she really thought of him. In her mind, Abraham was not “the old man,” but her master, her lord. And she, as it were, was his servant. In her heart, she was submissive to her husband, which made her a beautiful woman and an example for all to follow.

Abraham is sometimes referred to as the “father” of those who believe in Jesus Christ, whether Jew or Gentile by birth (see Romans 4:11-12; Galatians 3:7, 16, 29; Hebrews 2:16). Here, Sarah is called the “mother” of all those women who walk in her footsteps and who respect and obey their husbands: “and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.”

If I understand the passage correctly, “without being frightened by any fear” parallels the earlier expression of a “gentle and quiet spirit.” Some Christian psychiatrists speak of the “typical hysterical female,” a characterization I am not certain I like. Peter talks about the godly Christian wife as being exactly the opposite. She is not hysterical or panic-stricken about the future,94 for her hope is fixed on God. She calmly and quietly submits to her husband,95 knowing God’s purposes will be achieved because of or in spite of her husband.

Can you imagine leaving your homeland, your family, and all of your friends to go to a place God has not even yet revealed (see Genesis 12:1-3)? How many times did Abraham come to his wife to tell her God had instructed him to do what appeared to be foolish? As far as I can tell, Sarah was never present when God gave Abraham his instructions (except this one time in Genesis 18). It could have been a most terrifying thing to have been married to Abraham and follow him without being frightened by any fear. But Sarah did submit to Abraham, first in her spirit, and then on a day-by-day basis.96 For this, she became an example of godly submission to all of us.

Conclusion
A few years ago, I would hardly have felt the necessity of stressing a point which seems all too apparent, but in today’s culture I must stress it: God requires wives to submit to their husbands. The submission of the wife to her husband was established at the time of the creation of man and then at the fall. It is not merely an Old Testament requirement but a New Testament imperative. Paul taught it, and so did Peter. It is clear from our Lord’s practice that He agreed. The cross does not overrule or override the need for submission. In 1 Peter, the cross is not only an example of submission, it serves as the basis, the means and the motivation. Peter’s teaching on the submission of the wife to her husband follows immediately upon his teaching of the submission of servants to their masters, and especially of Christ to the will of the Father, which led to His death on the cross as the great “Suffering Servant.” As Peter addresses Christian wives, he begins with the words, “in like manner.” One cannot avoid the fact that in this age, as in all others of the past, the wife is to be in submission to her husband.

Does our culture bristle at this thought? This is just one more way the Christian will stand apart from others and one more reason why our “doing good” will be evil spoken of by unbelievers. Submission to one’s husband is one of the many ways in which the Christian may suffer for the sake of Christ and to the glory of God. Such submission is required under favorable conditions, and even in adverse circumstances such as when the husband is an unbeliever and refuses to obey the gospel by submitting to Jesus Christ for salvation. The submissiveness of the wife to her husband may bring about his salvation which most certainly pleases God. Does submission appear to limit one’s happiness and fulfillment in this life? It may, but the Christian wife has her hope in God, and she willingly accepts suffering in this life assured of the glory to come.

While this may not sound all that good in theory, I assure you it is even more difficult to practice. More often than I wish to admit, I find Christians turning their backs on Peter’s teaching. They believe a wife should not have to put up with an abusive husband. When they do so, they are thinking according to the mold of our culture rather than the mind of Christ.

Suppose one of your very good friend confides that her husband is cruel and “abusive” to her. She is a Christian; he is not. She wonders what she should do and asks for your advice. Do you turn to the Bible, or do you give “your opinion?” And if you turn to the Bible, is this text one of the first you show her? It should be. It calls on the Christian to suffer unjustly, to the glory of God and for the salvation of those who are lost. Is a “dysfunctional marriage” pleasant? No. Is it an excuse to bail out? Peter gives us the answer, although it is not one we want to hear. Who of us wants to suffer?

Peter’s words about submission and suffering should give us a different perspective on suffering. We are a generation of so-called “victims.” The very excellent book entitled, No God, But God, contains a chapter by Os Guinness entitled, “More Victimized Than Thou.”97 We have become a generation of victims, not victors. Peter will have none of this “victim” mentality. I used to say our culture sought to replace HOPE with HYPE. That is no longer the case. Now, our secular culture seeks to redefine HOPE so that it becomes nothing more than COPE. We are not called to be “copers;” we are called to suffer for Christ’s sake so that we will be overcomers. Let us shed the victim mindset as something which comes from the pit.

This passage cuts to the heart of a growing crisis in America—the disproportionate emphasis on appearance. Peter does not sanction a blatant disregard for good health and caring for one’s body, and neither does Paul (see 1 Timothy 4:7-8). Physical appearance has become the dominant driving force in the lives of many women. I cannot help but think the epidemic of eating disorders is rooted in a failure to understand and apply the principles Peter lays down in this text. Skinny women “feel” fat, and so they refuse the nourishment their bodies need. They are never skinny enough to fit the image of the perfect body, and yet often little attention is given to the inner beauty of which Peter speaks. Let us see Peter’s words as very relevant to our thinking and conduct, for they are.

Peter certainly challenges us to think more carefully and precisely about evangelism. We think of evangelism as being virtually synonymous with our speech. We must proclaim the gospel, for men and women are saved only as they hear and respond to the good news of salvation in Christ. And yet Peter makes it clear that there is a time to be still. We do not convert people by wearing down their resistance. We do not convert people by our persuasive powers. Our lives are to be consistent with the gospel we preach. After the lost have heard of Christ, they must see Him in us. That is the connection which Peter makes between the “Suffering Servant” in 1 Peter 2:21-25 and the suffering of His servants in this entire section. It may very well be our suffering rather than our success in speaking which God uses to draw the lost to Himself. If this is so, it is consistent with the experience of others such as the apostle Paul (see 1 Thessalonians 1 and 2).

Our lesson has primarily been addressed to those who have already trusted in Jesus Christ. Peter has been speaking to Christian wives. He has made it clear that those who have come to Christ must live like Christ. Just as He suffered for us, we are now called to suffer, as He did, to God’s glory and for the salvation of others. But just as it is true that coming to Christ often results in suffering, it is also true that suffering may bring us to Christ. Listen to these words spoken by our Lord at the outset of His ministry:

1 And when He saw the multitudes, He went up on the mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him. 2 And opening His mouth He [began] to teach them, saying, 3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. 5 “Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth. 6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied” (Matthew 5:1-6).

Has suffering brought you to the end of yourself? Has it caused you to look to the Lord Jesus for salvation? Jesus came to minister to those in need. If that is your plight, then there is hope—in Him. He suffered and died so that your sins could be forgiven and so that you might have eternal life. May God open your heart to trust in Him, who turns suffering to joy unspeakable and full of glory (1 Peter 1:6-8).”
http://bible.org/seriespage/word-wives-1-peter-31-6

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  Libel, slander, verbal abuse of others on the net can still get one in plenty of trouble in the courts as well… Even telling the truth has to be balanced with Compassionate (Gal 6:1 KJV)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

 

 Cyber Bullies like to tell the lie that slander, libel, bullying is an acceptable free right of expression of the internet  cause they are liars like the devil their father.. it never is..

  
“Canadian model wins right to unmask online bully in the U.S. Updated Wed. Aug. 19 2009 1:10 PM ET CTV.ca   Canadian model Liskula Cohen is used to the sometimes catty attitudes of the New York fashion world, but when one woman decided to dig her claws into her in an online blog, Cohen fought back.  In August 2008, Cohen ran across a blog on Blogger.com, called “Skanks in NYC.” The now defunct blog included five anonymous postings that read “I would have to say the first-place award for ‘Skankiest in NYC’ would have to go to Liskula Gentile Cohen.”  The posts included pictures of 5-foot-10 blond Cohen and an unidentified man in sexually suggestive positions, with captions describing her as a “skanky ho'” and “a psychotic, lying, whoring skank.”  Cohen, 37, a Canadian-born cover girl who has appeared in Vogue and other fashion magazines, was livid and demanded that Google, the owner of the blogging service, give her the poster’s identity. When Google refused, Cohen took it to court — and won.   On Tuesday, New York Supreme Court Judge Joan Madden agreed that Cohen was entitled to information about the blogger and ordered Google to turn it over.  In her ruling, Madden cited a Virginia court decision in a similar case that found that online bullies should be held accountable when they cause injury.  “The protection of the right to communicate anonymously must be balanced against the need to assure that those persons who choose to abuse the opportunities presented by this medium can be made to answer for such transgressions,” the judge said, quoting the Virginia decision.  Google complied with the ruling Tuesday evening, submitting the creator’s IP address and e-mail address — all that is required to register for a blog on Blogger.com.  Cohen told ABC’s “Good Morning America” Wednesday that she immediately recognized the blogger, describing her as an acquaintance who was a regular fixture at dinners and parties. Cohen has not revealed the blogger’s name publicly.  Cohen and her lawyer, Steven Wagner, said they are now planning a defamation suit against the blogger. Cohen alleges the blog has been harmful to her career and that prospective clients would question her about the blog and what she was doing in the photos.  While Wagner said he was happy the court recognized that “the Internet is not a place where people can freely defame people,” the attorney for the blogger disputed the judge’s reasoning.  Anne Salisbury  warned that Monday’s ruling has “potentially damaging implications for free speech on the Internet.”   After the ruling, a Google spokesman expressed sympathy for “cyber bullying” victims but said the company only divulged the user information because it was ordered to do so by a court.  “We sympathize with anyone who may be the victim of cyber bullying. We also take great care to respect privacy concerns and will only provide information about a user in response to a subpoena or other court order,” Google’s Andrew Pederson said. ” http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090819/cohengoogle_090819/20090819?hub=Canada

Google Helps Canadian Courts ID Gmail Users  Hard OCP – ‎  I know sometimes we sound like a broken record when it comes to this kind of stuff but with companies coughing up your info at the drop of a hat, trying to hide behind an e-mail addy or IP address isn’t too smart these days.

York U wins court order to reveal authors of accusatory emails Varsity

  There is still a separation between appropriate speech and inappropriate speech, a separation between freedom of speech, expressing one’s views, opinions and the delivered, deliberate conscious propagation of hatred towards a specific group or person.

 

OTTAWA — A ruling from a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member says a controversial law banning Internet hate messages is unconstitutional because it violates free speech protections. Athanasios Hadjis ruled Wednesday that section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act violates Charter protections. While this decision doesn’t throw out the law – that’s something for the courts – it did let accused hatemonger Marc Lemire off the hook, because Hadjis refused to penalize him or order him to stop posting his messages on the net. on his site.   Lemire was accused of posting anti-Semitic and anti-gay material on web sites in a complaint brought by Ottawa lawyer Richard Warman. Warman has become an Internet watchdog for such material and the main section 13 complainant before the tribunal. He had asked for a cease-and-desist order against Lemire and a $7,500 fine. Canadian Jewish Congress was quick to call for an appeal of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member   Hadjis ruling. “We strongly disagree with his decision not to impose a cease-and-desist order,” said Joel Richler, an honorary legal counsel to the congress.  The congress said other tribunal members have found the section to be constitutional and the courts should be asked to clarify the matter.

 

The Ruling from a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member says a controversial law banning Internet hate messages is unconstitutional because it violates free speech protections. Refrence the human rights act section 13.1, which says it is a violation to disseminate material on the Internet that is “likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt”  If the example is followed by other tribunal members, it could mean an end to section 13 cases.  In a special report issued in June, the commission asked Parliament to change the law to eliminate the fines and provide a clear, legal definition of what constitutes prohibited hatred. The section has been controversial, with some claiming it spreads too wide a net. The Supreme Court of Canada has said legal action should be reserved only for the most extreme forms of hate.   None of this in any way affects the hate-speech provisions of the Canadian Criminal Code which is completely different legislation, with higher standards of proof and evidence .  Hate accusations can be also  filed with the Canadian Human Rights Commission. If it finds them valid, they are then taken before the tribunal, which can order people to stop posting material on the web or impose fines of up to $10,000. 
 
Google will only remove defamatory material from Blogger when “the material has been found to be defamatory by a court, as evidenced by a court order,” according to Blogger’s terms of service.
 
and some  bloggers have been now denied any further access to  the net  to make any posts by the courts too..

CP TIVERTON, Ont. – Bruce Power, a nuclear generating facility on the shores of Lake Huron, has fired close to 100 employees at its site at Tiverton, Ont.  Spokesman Ross Lamont says the firings announced Wednesday follow an investigation of code of conduct violations in such areas as email and internet use.   He said that Bruce Power “expects all employees and contractors to live by the code of conduct. ”  Bruce Power, about 250 kilometres northwest of Toronto, employs about 3,000 people.  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090910/national/nuclear_plant_firings

It is still up to the courts or the Human Rights commissions  firstly to confirm, to define what is actually libelous, slanderous, a hate email message..  and someone’s else’s  statement and opinions  on the subject does not count. But to be on the safe side if you want to avoid court costs, ligation, if you are unsure if what you write is libel, slanderous, prosecutable better not post it on the net. Wrongfully accusing someone of posting a hate message or being a racists clearly can  be challenged in courts as a hate message itself and prosecutable.

 

Note all of this really is a non brainer for any cyber bully who falsely believe that free speech allows them to say whatever they want personally against some else, individual, individuals, or a group .

(Mat 5:22 KJV) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
James 4:1  From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? :2  Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3  Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4  Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5  Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6  But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7  Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8  Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9  Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10  Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. 

I was really saddened to note that too many of the abuses I have witnessed were done by bad , greedy people trying to steal , them trying to get other people’s money for themselves, stealing the money, or getting it under false pretenses. The love of more money is still the basis of what many of the wrong doings is, was all about..

(1 Tim 6:6 KJV) But godliness with contentment is great gain.

(1 Tim 6:17 KJV) Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

(Psa 37:16 KJV) A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked. 17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.

Many years ago some one had said that most marriage problems, divorce are over the issue of money.. some are, but many marriages break down are due to uncontrolled lusts of the flesh, and unforgiveness as well.. But I would agree that many problems amongst so called Christians, including church fights are often over over money, the control over it, and many professing Christians depart from the faith over the false lust for more money and what money can buy for them.

“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” -Romans 16:17-18 KJV

God does not at all  not not allow, accept any human rights, verbal and physical abuses and neither should we.. And  Exemplary public exposure of the Bullies, abusers, the bad, guilty persons serves everyone’s best interest next too. God undeniably himself does not show false partialities . Shout the abuses, sins truth from the housetops.. Any Children of God even who are verbally abused they will next be also physically abused if the matter is not adequately dealt with ASAP{.. Abusing others is a common reaction of the carnal flesh and is brought on by many different reasons such as 1: unfulfilled lusts or 2:  a spoiled child syndrome who tries to get their own way by whatever method it can 3: sibling rivalry 4: people who have no or little moral values, respect of others 5: one’s parental influence and upbringing..6: demon possessed persons, etc. The devil, demons and demon seduced persons, professing Christian persons falsely, wrongfully take false delight in slandering, abusing, bashing others and their evident fruits of hatred alone shows how false they themselves now are too. they clearly had, do manifest the opposite of the fruit of the Holy Spirit which is love. ,

Let me tell you we do not have to accept human rights abuse that is a lie of the devil.. in this world we have the same rights as the bully even the right to see that a bully is punished for abusing us.. God is not ignorant about the injustices inflicted upon his people, nor does he accept any of our human rights abuses without punishing the abusers shortly.. see the Bible book of Esther if you have doubts..

Est 9:25 But when Esther came before the king, he commanded by letters that his wicked device, which he devised against the Jews, should return upon his own head, and that he and his sons should be hanged on the gallows.

 

Did you know that sibling rivalry, abuse is one of the most common forms of family violence? Siblings will use physical violence because they have learned it from their parents, a bad mother or a bad father, or other adults. In fact, one study found that 76% of the children who were repeatedly abused by their parents also abused their siblings.. and their spouse next too http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/12/26/young-offenders/
 
People who have been abused ironically will also next abuse others.. . Free speech has never been a right to bully, slander, degrade, abuse anyone anywhere for that matter basically anyway, not even a religious or a political group.
“Whoever slanders his neighbor in secret, him will I put to silence…him will I not endure” (Psa. 101:5). “You speak continually against your brother and slander your own mother’s son…But I will rebuke you and accuse you to your face!” (Psa. 50:20-21).”
The verbal and mental  abusers often known as control freaks, or bullies, and then there are the physical abusers. The sad reality is abusers rarely change unless they are made personally to face some severe negative consequences, and the older they are the more severe it seems it has to be..
First you merely ask the guilty, bad persons personally to repent twice, the first time without a witness, the second time with witnesses THAT you have asked them to repent.. and proof, substantiation is NOT required.. after you have done that you can next post it openly on the net, tell all the others. Next God is fully free to deal with the unrepentant guilty offenders and believe me he will.. I have now been doing for decades too..
A self conceited, loud mouthed preacher wanted to meet with me to discuss my faults, so next  I had said to him I would gladly consent to such as meeting if I in return can have the same right with him.. I was next surprised by his response, forget it..  All personal submission is now still non enforceable even by Church pastors, elders but it is also still mutual as well, reciprocal.
Why do even professing Christian  post lies, slander on the net now? What hidden agenda do they realy have? It could be that they want to be worshipped solely, to receive alone all the praise of others for a start.. they falsely want to be the sole center of attention.. even  sibling rivalry..  Sadly some  professing Christians are abusive, they do try to dominate, do disrespect others, and falsely try to censure others, do lie about and slander them as well. These abuses. sins, wrong doings are always still a personal choice that has nothing fully  to do with one’s  persons personal political or religious beliefs, experiences now too. Slandering, lying about, calling a specific person false names, personal attacks, in a church or even on any public forum is still unacceptable now even if you are a Christian, a Baptist or a Plymouth Brethren  now too.

As you can also read in some of my posts here too I also rightfully do not hesitate to call the police, fully expose  to all,  anyone, cops or church pastors included,  who lies about me, slanders me, abuses me or any others too.

see also https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/05/02/he-that-is-without-sin/ 

 
An Ontario Superior Court judge has ordered a pair of website owners to turn over identifying information about eight people being accused of defamation after posting anonymous comments. Kershman cited a 2004 case that said privacy cannot be used to protect a person from the application of civil or criminal liability, and that privacy rights must be balanced against the rights of other interests and the public interest. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/ontario-judge-orders-website/
 
 
  

Libel, slander, verbal abuse of others on the net can still get one in plenty of trouble in the courts as well…

Even telling the truth has to be balanced with Compassionate (Gal 6:1 KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-church-pentecostal-dispute/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/since-when-are-professing-christian-allowed-to-post-lies-slander-on-the-net-now/

Also “I have attended many churches as I have lived in most parts of Canada. One constant across most churches, that I have observed, is the institutional obsession with gossip. It is one sin that we happily overlook because it is so much fun to find the ‘dirt’ on one person or another”. Most evangelical pastors do slander and gossip also. “The Greek word we translate “gossip” only appears one time in the New Testament, in 2 Cor. 12:20, where it is katalalia, which means backbiting, evil speaking, defamation. The root of katalalia is to utter words that talk against or to go as a slanderer. This is compared with the whisperer of Romans 1:29, or the slanderer or backbiter (katalalos, same root) of Romans 1:30. What interests me is that bigoted Christians love to parade the anti-homosexual bias of these verses ) but ignore the bits against whisperers and backbiters,” and divorce, adultery. What 55 percent of the evangelical pastors commit adultery, and on top of that they also now do lie, steal, slander- gossip, abuse others. Unacceptable. It is thus no surprise now then their followers do often as well..”

I have never been hated so much anywhere by any religious groups as I have been by Brethren and Baptist Christians, pastors when they find out I am a Pentecostal … their evident fruits of hatred alone shows how false they themselves now are too. they clearly had, do manifest the opposite of the fruit of the Holy Spirit which is love. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/the-power-of-god/

The ungodly, unholy wars now amongst Christians and on the net are still all shameful.. even those bad Persons who profess to be Christians but use the courts to dissolve their marriage over pastoral counseling.. Some people sadly, wrongfully still do try to make themselves feel better by getting dirt on others, but that is a futile ,vain, empty approach firstly…. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/reality-2/

 
 
 I have often rightfully said, asked that we  should in fairness not discriminate and investigate not just all of the civil, public servants, politicians, in reality but also all the pastors, evangelists, preachers and annually now fairly in all of the denominations not just a few Pentecostal ones  even for alcoholism, drug usage,  possible tax evasions, abuse of donated funds, lies, slander.. . https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/much-too-many-wolves-in-sheep-clothing/
 
Do see my other posts on liars, bullies, bashers, control freaks, etc.. persons with a hidden agenda, like the false dispensationalists who are too often still seeking self glorifications, being worshipped by others..

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/who-do-you-trust/
http://thenonconformer.blogspot.com/2006/08/truths_08.html
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/dispensationalist-plymouth-brethren/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/the-power-of-god/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/the-real-thing/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/the-false-comforters/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/even-canadian-employees-fired-for-inappropriate-blogging/

(Jer 17:5 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. 6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

(Jer 17:7 KJV) Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/get-real-now/

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No matter what the goal is, or how valueable it maybe,  leading others to Christ included, the ends do not justify the means by anyone, pastors, elders, deacons, others , and cheating, lying, stealing included now.. How you get there is as important as where you are going. Asked also now Moses and all the people of Israel who missed the promised Land cause they had simply refused to do it God’s way.
 
 
(Mat 5:19 KJV)  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.  

 
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(John 8:7 KJV)  So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
 
(1 Tim 6:11 KJV)  But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
 
(2 Tim 2:25 KJV)  In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
 
(Titus 3:2 KJV)  To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing all meekness unto all men.
 
(James 3:13 KJV)  Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
 
(1 Pet 3:15 KJV)  But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
 
It is a fact of life, and very likely now as well that when an evangelical pastor, sins, falls, it is not a sudden event but generally a gradual long term one, the unrepentant and un -confessed sins now have been building up for a long time in reality. I have next  noticed also  the false partiality that has been applied here as well the last half a century,  in that when a Pentecostal Pastor, sins, falls, the sin is too readily expressed world wide,  on the net as well.  In contrast when a fundamental, Baptist, Brethren pastor sins, everyone hushes it up and quotes their Bible justification in  (1 Char 16:22 KJV)  Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
 
such real unacceptable hypocrisy rather.
 
(2 Cor 6:17 KJV)  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
 

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An Ontario Superior Court judge has ordered a pair of website owners to turn over identifying information about eight people being accused of defamation after posting anonymous comments. Kershman cited a 2004 case that said privacy cannot be used to protect a person from the application of civil or criminal liability, and that privacy rights must be balanced against the rights of other interests and the public interest.He also cited a 2008 child pornography case, in which a judge ruled that a person’s name, address and the name of their spouse are not information that one would expect to keep private from the state under such circumstances.University of Ottawa law professor Michael Geist,   said the court must ensure that a proper balance is struck between the rights of a plaintiff and the privacy and free speech rights of an anonymous poster. In order to do that, it must set a high bar for plaintiffs to meet in order to justify overriding the poster’s rights. Warman is in the process of suing the Fourniers, alleging they “falsely and maliciously published and circulated” information on the site that claimed Warman had posted hateful, racist words. The allegations have not been proven in court..  “In my view, the defendants are under an obligation to disclose all documents in their power and control,” Justice Stanley Kershman said in a ruling delivered Monday to defendants Connie Wilkins-Fournier and Mark Fournier of Kingston, Ont., who run the website Free Dominion.  Kershman also ordered the couple to pay $5,000 in costs to the plaintiff in the case, Ottawa human rights lawyer Richard Warman, described by Kershman as an “anti-hate speech advocate.”Warman had requested, for use in a court action, access to documents that would assist in identifying the anonymous posters and their locations, such as:

  • Email addresses and all personal information.
  • The IP addresses of their computers.
  • Documents concerning the establishment and operation of the website, such as hosting agreements, billing information, and website registrant names.

The Fourniers had argued that people using the message boards do so with the expectation of anonymity and may make statements or provide information that they wouldn’t normally with family, friends or co-workers.

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/03/25/tech-090325-anonymous-posters.html

 
It is still up to the courts or the Human Rights commissions  firstly to confirm, to define what is actually libelous, slanderous, a hate email message..  and someone’s else’s  statement and opinions  on the subject does not count. But to be on the safe side if you want to avoid court costs, ligation, if you are unsure if what you write is libel, slanderous, prosecutable better not post it on the net. Wrongfully accusing someone of posting a hate message or accusing them of being a racist  clearly can  be challenged in courts as a hate message itself and prosecutable.
  

This too is not a hate message – “I would like to recommend an excellent book by Stephen Sizer, entitled ’Christian Zionism, Road Map To Armageddon?, which I believe, will shed a great deal of light on the topic of Christian Zionism. Many millions have been bamboozled and deceived by this cultish movement, and few will ever utter a word against the State of Israel as a result. In the book ’Christian Zionism: Road Map To Armageddon’ Stephen Sizer goes into great detail in exposing the historical roots of Christian Zionism. Mr Sizer talks about things such as the Balfour declaration, CI Scofield and the Scofield Bible, and the influence that it has had in the world. The names of the people who have been associated with this cultish teaching are very well known, people such as John Darby, D.L Moody, Hal Lindsey,  and Pat Robertson, just to name a few. ” JERUSALEM – Israel’s military on Thursday ordered a criminal inquiry into its own soldiers’ reports that some troops killed Palestinian civilians, including children, during the Gaza war by hastily opening fire, confident that relaxed rules of engagement would protect them.Their accounts, published in a military institute’s newsletter, echo Palestinian allegations and feed into human-rights groups’ contention that Israel violated the laws of war. Soldiers also reported the wanton destruction of civilian property.   READ THE FULL MSNBC ARTICLE HERE
 
 

 

That reminds me there is one lying, slanderous message on the net about me by a poster   who lied and said the police had came to my home cause I wrote a message, spam to the members of parliament and he needs to get his facts straight first, for that never had happened. For no police came to my home, and no police report exists in such a related matter. Writing to the news editors, elected representatives others who post their email address on the net is firstly not spam.. and the same poster now had lied about me and now he clearly can be sued too for slander, hate, etc., and his anonymity will not help cause his trademark name is well known already too.

An Ontario premier had sent the MUC police to my home though as detailed on the net, using my right of free speech and my right to be heard, but still no related charges were filed by the MUC police, I still continued to write to the same bad premier even openly on the net who himself even as a direct result next lost his reelection..

Me being a very prolific write on many topics, having about 30 web sites as well, I expect to step on some toes. In fact I often do encounter people who falsely try to intimidate me, obstruct and suppress justice, threaten to take me to court for my public exposure. And my general reply go ahead we all do need the publicity, and I do first tell the Police I refuse to discuss anything with them unless witnesses are present such as news reporters and they always run away too. I tend to write openly on the web to all too. I still believe in rightful free speech of all..  

it is in Queen’s court records that a Canmore RCMP officer had said to me if you do not shut up we will shut you up for good.. I next did not shut up.. not even about their ongoing bad RCMP acts.

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I am tired of all these bad conservatives telling me how good they are when it clearly now is not visible, they do not show love, any real good works..   (Prov 27:2 KJV)  Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.
   
It was in  Alberta where I had encountered, experienced now the most crooked pastors too.. and I next rightfully also did not let them get away with it. Or anywhere else for that matter.. MOST OF THEM WERE RAISED IN ALBERTA NOW TOO.
 
This site is specially made to post my valid complaints against the so called Christian or Christian Conservatives who do like to bully, bash others but hate to look into the mirror daily .  
 

HERE IS WHAT I FIND SO HYPOCRITICAL WITH  the mostly still self centered, selfish political and religious CONSERVATIVES, IS THAT THEY  OFTEN BASH THE POOR AND NEEDY PEOPLE, AND  THEY DO NOT SUPPORT THEM TOO, THEY  OPPOSE SOCIAL WELFARE BUT YET THE CONSERVATIVES CORPORATIONS ASK FOR AND RECEIVE SOCIAL WELFARE FROM THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT.. SUCH REAL HYPOCRISY.. 
AND THEY NEXT DO TRY  FORCE  THEIR  UNSOLICITED MUSINGS AND OPINIONATED RUBBISH ON OTHER PEOPLE , THEY DIVORCE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT GO ALONG WITH THEM TOO, AND THEY DO HAVE HAVE TO STOP NOW ALL OF THEIR ABUSIVE HARASSMENT BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE ARE JUST FED UP OF IT.   
 
Here also is the reality , there now are just as many crooked, bad  persons on the net, in Christian churches even if they do quote the Bible too still..  as there are bad persons in prison, the only difference is these others bad guys and gals wrongfully have not been exposed, prosecuted yet.. and it does not take much to find them, reveal them to all as well..   REALITY LESS THAN 25 PERCENT OF CHURCH ATTENDEES ARE EVEN REAL CHRISTIANS. AND NEXT 50 PERCENT OF THEM WILL GIVE UP ON THEIR RELIGION TOO.
 
THE CONSERVATIVES’ MAIN STRATEGY THESE DAYS STILL WRONGFULLY TOO SEEMS TO BE  ONLY  A PERSONAL  ATTACK ON OTHERS, BY  BULLYING, BASHING  AND TRYING REAL HARD  TO FIND SOME, ANY  DIRT UPON OTHERS.  THEY CLEARLY TEND TO  HAVE AN ATTACK APPROACH, AN OFFENSE IS A SUPPOSEDLY THE best defense for them, BUT STILL  it is offensive approach, for you know how they do threat others is next how they will also treat you. These CONSERVATIVES ARE Getting real desperate  still and have again sunk to a new low even very sadly.

>THE RECORD DOES NOT LIE … OFTEN IT MERELY TWISTS THE TRUTH, DISTORTS IT ..

> I AM UN-MASKING YOU AND REBUKING YOU …. AWAY WITH YOUR SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS
>KEEP YOU conservative self-righteousness on your own blog…
 
YES THAT WAS AN INSULT, LIE TOO,  ME BEING CALLED A CONSERVATIVE EVEN  by him.. EVEN YOU ALL DO KNOW I AM NOT A CONSERVATIVE. that would Be a BIG  insult to me.

IT IS JUST AS INSULTING AS CALLING CANADA’S PRIME MINISTER STEPHEN HARPER  A  CHRISTIAN, WHO  UNDENIABLY IS a wolf in sheep clothing, an liar, an abuser, an ungodly person, and  GOING TO HELL, HE TOO NEEDS TO  GROW UP… Now do all deal with it appropriately cause he  and not me is bringing shame to the CONSERVATIVE name and even the the body of Christ..  he Harper clearly lies when he says he advocates peace, he himself promotes hate instead.. he LIKE MANY OTHER CONSERVATIVES needs to first take the beam out of his own eye before he can humbly help others.

Many people have it wrong for they do think they have a right to abuse others with their free speech even on the net now too. even in Christian Churches,, wow.. . when someone aggressively now wants his right to be heard but he also starts to fight with me.. in a clearly unloving manner I do rightfully too merely delete his post too..  if he persist I do often bring the matters often to others for their attention and action now too..
 
Like I have rightfully often said to you the political  Conservatives these days  are great examples of what the typical  phony, no good, lying, abusive, professing  Conservative Christians now really are like. Yes often  all I get now is continual condemnations, slanders, insults, bad words,  and no real love from the conservatives THESE DAYS .. they need to now grow up and act like  real Christians..  examine themselves firstly if the fruits of the holy sprit are there.. cause clearly they are not.  What they often do  accuse me off very likely they are conscious cause these are their  own realties.. sad too..
 
If I was them   I would be rightfully ashamed to pretend to be a Christian to others. Now they need to repent and Get a real life in Jesus still.
 
I do not have to accept any abuses of any kind.. from anyone now too.. anyone. NOT ESPECIALLY FROM PASTORS. 
 
(Mat 18:14 KJV)  Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
 
(Mat 18:15 KJV)  Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
 
(Mat 18:16 KJV)  But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
 
(Mat 18:17 KJV)  And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: 
 
I JUST GOT CONTINUALLY BASHED, LIED ABOUT BY EMAIL FOR TEN DAYS TOO FROM A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN  SUPPORTER IN ONTARIO TOO . 
 
By the way I solely wrote to the House of Praise , associated Gospel Church , attention Pastor – Mr. Belton Rivera 
Meeting at:  60 Kearney Drive
Ajax, Ontario   L1T 4N2
Mailing address:
c/o 7575 Danbro Cres.
Mississauga, Ontario   L5N 3P9
pART OF The Associated Gospel Churches of Canada
 
and next  A CLEAR CONSERVATIVE LOSER FROM THEIR EMAIL ADDRESS replied and falsely had abused me many times too.. HE CLEARLY IS A ALSO A  LIAR, A CHRISTIAN IMPOSTER, PRETENDER STILL TOO.  The acts of this  religious desperate , immoral Conservative terrorist next knew no bounds, he made personal attacks on me, my family, my posts, even  my label as well,  and so well he has  a bad example, teacher, Canada’s Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and we already do know what a war manger, trouble maker, desperate person he too is now. I was initially surprised to note that wars are often started by nations, political groups  but also very similarly by religious groups.. now I am not surprised at this at all. 
 

 The Declaration of Independence,  celebrates ”life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”   Canada’s  British North America Act of 1867, promises ”peace, order, and good government.”  It would be nice if we all could have this in Canada now too.. from the bad Conservatives too,, 

I HAVE OFTEN FELT THAT CANADIAN CONSERVATIVES IS DEFINED AS selfish self centered CON servants.. cause they are often mostly  trying to con others as to how good they are and how bad others are too..
 
one step forward , two step backwards Canadian Conservative PM Stephen Harper, lost control a long time ago, he is on a losing streak 

.. facts, Canadian Ostriches like to see them.. but do not post the truth about the CANADIAN CONSERVATIVES  men who seem  hate women and do not give them equal pay… it embarrasses them and they tend to go underground next. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com0tencommandements 

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, Conservatives too, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
  
A generous comment to the many Conservative  bashers, bullies, that would be even more politically correct in  troublesome times is that they now are getting what they had sowed starting in the once Bible belt of Alberta.. but not limited to there now too..

 

  I TOO  PREFER TO DISCUSS THE TOO OFTEN CROOKED CANADIAN EVANGELICALS, THEIR RATHER TOO OFTEN BAD PASTORS, AND THE BAD POLITICAL  CONSERVATIVES FIRST. THE INITIAL TOPIC I HAD ADDRESSED ON THE NET TOO, FOR JUDGMENT BEGINS IN THE HOUSE OF GOD FIRST.   THESE CONSERVATIVES NEED TO REMOVE THE BEAM OUT OF THEIR OWN EYES BEFORE THEY TRY TO HELP OTHERS STILL TOO.  THEY  ALSO STILL NEED TO BE FREED FROM THE BONDAGE OF CRITICAL SPIRIT, THEIR HATRED AND ABUSIVE NAME-CALLING.  THE TRUTH IS THE CONSERVATIVES DO  NOW HAVE AN AGENDA, TO FIRST HIDE THE TRUTH AS TO WHO THEY REALLY ARE BY DIVERTING IT TO AN ATTACK ON THE OTHERS. GAY BASHING, BASHING ABORTIONISTS AND LIBERALS IS NORMAL FOR  THEM. DONE WHILE HYPOCRITICALLY 30% OF THE CHRISTIANS FALSELY  PRACTICE DIVORCE.  MY Most Active POST IS Divorce And Remarriage In The Christian Church
 

 

Here is the reality , there now are just as many crooked, bad  persons on the net, in Christioan churches even if they do quote the Bible too still..  as there are bad persons in prison, the only difference is these others bad guys and gals wrongfully have not been exposed, prosecuted yet.. and it does not take much to find them, reveal them to all as well..

 

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