Crooks still in the church as well?

(Mark 14:21 KJV)  The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
 
(Mat 26:14 KJV)  Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, 15  And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. 16  And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.
 
Many people have OFTEN conveyed to me that they are dismayed that there are  Crooks still  in the church as well? And they ask why the clearly bad pastors and bad pastors allow these crooks to remain in their midst.  Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you what you are like yourself now too.. Some  falsely seem to think that just cause a person  professes to be good person, a follower of Christ that he or she is to be believed now and that they  will do good and not bad.. How easily they also do forget about the Judas type persons, those persons who love money the root of all evil, and the things money can supposedly buy for them, sell themselves for money to the devil,  but their mostly stolen too money it does not buy permanent happiness for even them.. Nor do most people who win lotto find permanent happiness, but rather more misery it seems.
 
(John 12:3 KJV)  Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. 4  Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, which should betray him, 5  Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 6  This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
 
HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE TO BETRAY JESUS CHRIST TOO?
 
(Luke 17:1 KJV)  Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2   It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
 
If you encounter crooks in your Pentecostal, Baptist, Brethren, Catholic OR Protestant church now still, you are better off not to associate with them any more, for zebras do not change their stripes and  neither did Judas change now as well.
 
 
 
 I too often rightfully do not really worry about what is happening solely  in the world, but rather mainly what is happening in the Churches,  for judgment begins in the house of God. God is still coming for a church without spot and blemish. 
 
 Sadly in real life both God, Good and bad preachers coexist but presently the bad preachers seem to outnumber the good ones. No one is above the law, No one. Human rights abuse, Citizen abuse, substance abuse, tax payer’s money abuses, tax evasion,  abuse of the laws even by the Pastors, elders, deacons, church members, the police, civil and public servants,  professionals, accountants, lawyers, politicians, contractors, business persons, school teachers,  all  still need  to be fully exposed and prosecuted under the law too. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/no-one-is-above-the-law/ 
 
One of the worst things you can do is to think that such a person, spouse, relative, family member, pastor, politician is a nice guy, OR ANY INSTITUTION, CHURCH NOW AS WELL  and so it  is worth being worshipped, praised.. well cause very shortly God will show you really what even the person now is really like, a sinner like all the rest of us.. and the political party, organization, church you worshipped..  If you also do try to maintain you are a good person now as well, God will not let that false pride stand before him as well and he will show to you and many others what you really are still are like.. For God is a jealous God and will have no false  idols NOW before him.. God says without me you can do nothing, nothing good that will last permanently, that the canker worms will next not destroy as well.. I have seen so many good guys in my life, some have been my close good friends, but real life next showed to us all what they really were like next too.. sinners.   https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/sinners/
 
In reality many Pastors have wrongfully chosen their vocation, career as a money making job in fact, they thus are hirelings, or prostitutes for sale to me and I tell them so, whether they like it or not so they can repent,  change  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/to-the-bad-preacher/
 
Exemplary Public exposure and prosecution of the unrepentant  guilty persons per God will and standard serves everyone’s best interest.
 
(John 10:7 KJV)  Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8  All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9  I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10  The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11  I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12  But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13  The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14  I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15  As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
(Acts 20:28 KJV)  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
 
(1 Pet 5:2 KJV)  Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
 
(James 2:16 KJV)  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
 
(Rev 2:4 KJV)  Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
 
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 
for   thou shall  love thy neighbor as thyself always..
 
When the enemy comes in like a flood God will raise His standard.. and the enemy has already been within the gates of many churches for a long time. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/my-mission/
 
The last thing on my mind when I go to a new evangelical Christian church is that I will be abused, lied to, slandered, robbed, misused, persecuted  but sadly now too often these days that is not the reality. Why? https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/get-real-now/
 
 Specifically  Trinity Pentecostal church LaSalle, TPC   trinity@trinitymontreal.ca  , rrust@bellnet.ca ; and it’s pastors, pretentious elders, they call them deacons,  are merely another of those too common pretentious Christians Churches in name only. I have attended it many times too. They are more of a local religious social club,  and not a valid Christian gathering with  real personal Christian good deeds.. TPC they are part of the PAOC,  Pentecostal Assembly of Canada group, run it seems by by empire oriented hirelings, to provide economic support for their own pastors.. and they clearly are not here for the good welfare of the sheep. of the flock, their members, or attendees. While Jesus commanded his disciples to go into the world and make disciples of men, they now rather do use the opposite approach of asking you to go to their church, and of course to bring your money along with you for otherwise clearly you will not be welcomed. They do have a heavy false unbiblical emphasis of tithing, https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/secret-tithing/,  as an essential part of church membership, and it clearly and wrongfully seems it does not matter to them  if you behave next as a  non Christian you likely will not be displaced, disciplined  unless you do not give sufficient tithing to the church. I am totally convinced  that greed, and a real lack of real faith is why many preachers preach tithing, and I wonder if they do even fully practice it, do they even for a start give a portion of the tithe to the local poor people as also required in the laws of tithing in the old testament? I did not find many of them in TPC as being rather real Christians myself too. It seems to be often fleshly , men run and not Holy Spirit led too. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/and-who-do-you-follow-jesus-or/ ‘Let another man praise thee and not thyself.. and check if what is said is really so now too.. and all this now is nothing new as well. (Acts 20:31 KJV)  Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. 32  And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. 33  I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 34  Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35  I have showed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/too-often-misleading-preachers/       If you can’t trust the chief shepherd, who can you trust?’  Yes, the Bad pastors, bad elders, continue to exist  cause likely their supporters are  bad too.  (Jer 5:31 KJV)  The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will you do in the end?
 
It is also true that one can test the real spirituality of a preacher, any Christian is  as to how he responds to money, how he treats the salvation of the Jews, and also how he or she treats the poor people now too! (Judg 2:11 KJV)  And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim:    (Jer 9:14 KJV)  But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:  (Gal 2:10 KJV)  Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.   (Mat 10:8 KJV)  Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

 The free gospel is a Biblical fact!

(Rom 3:24 KJV)  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
 
 

Merry Christmas, Happy New year

Wishing you peace on earth, good will towards all men, a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and all of your loved ones, friends, nieghbours too.

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Matthew 2: 
1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

Christmas marks Christ’s birthday and that it honors Him all while many falsely legalists, unloving and non Holy Spirit persons, still are  preaching the exact observation of the laws over honouring the spirit of the law..

and why do they want to insert the old testament falsely into the New Testament too?

And if obeying Religion can save one from then why was Jesus death required for us to be saved from Hell? The New Testament also does not prohibit pictures of Jesus nor our observing Christmas, Easter..

 

1 John 1: 
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

John 1: 
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.

 

Romans 14
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Philippians 2
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

 

 

Wishing for Peace on earth still too

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/jews-arabs-none-of-them-politically-correct/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/bullies-thugs-proud-oppressors-war-mongers/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/anti-jewish/

 

Reality

 
Now as I was reflecting about my many past posts on the net  in the last few years I was really saddened to note that too many of them were about bad , greedy people trying to steal , trying to get other people’s money for themselves, stealing the money, or getting  it under false pretences. The love of more money is still the basis of what many of the wrong doings is, was all about..
 
(1 Tim 6:6 KJV)  But godliness with contentment is great gain. 
    
(Psa 37:16 KJV)  A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked. 17  For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.
 
(1 Tim 6:17 KJV)  Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 

(1 Tim 6:18 KJV)  That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

(1 Tim 6:19 KJV)  Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

Many years ago some one had said that most marriage problems, divorce are over the issue of money..  some are, but many marriages break down are due to uncontrolled lusts of the flesh, and unforgiveness as well.. 

But I would agree that many problems amongst so called Christians, including church fights are often over over money, the control over it,  and many professing Christians depart from the faith over the false lust for more money and what money can buy for them.

(James 4:1 KJV)  From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

2  Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3  Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
4  Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
5  Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
6  But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7  Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8  Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9  Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10  Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

(1 John 2:15 KJV)  Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

(1 Cor 16:22 KJV)  If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Many crooks face guilt, their past UNREPENTANT SINS BOTHER, DISTURB THEN AND DO NOT LET THEM SLEEP IN REALITY..

MY DAD USED TO TRY TO CONVINCE ME THAT THE CROOKS ARE NOT BOTHERED BY PUBLIC APPROVAL, EXPOSURES, NEGATIVE REVELATIONS, GUILT, but I knew already that was not true by the number of sleeping pills they all seem to have to take to try to get some rest, sleep.
 
We all even recently heard of the drastic steps that the rock star Michael Jackson himself used to take to try to get some decent sleep and in the process it seems killed himself? 
 
Almost since my first job after graduating from university I had learned that people are not to be trusted, need to be supervised, and corruption still exists in construction, universities, municipalities, governments, corporations, amongst professionals and politicians as well.

(Mat 7:15 KJV)  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

(Mat 10:17 KJV)  But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

(Mat 16:6 KJV)  Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

(Mark 12:38 KJV)  And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,

(Luke 12:15 KJV)  And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

(Luke 20:46 KJV)  Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

(Phil 3:2 KJV)  Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

(2 Tim 3:1 KJV)  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8  Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9  But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

(2 Pet 3:3 KJV)  Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

A professing Christian person I know quite well who undeniably was guilty of tax evasions, theft, lying, abuse of others, slander and much more to cover up for the reality of his own negative acts, published a Christian Devotional on the net called ” The Lord is my Shepherd” well Jesus Christ for certainty was not, is not his shepherd.. rather his own sinful self is dominating his own  life

(2 Cor 13:11 KJV)  Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 
 
Many people are falsely led these days to believe they can have, attain anything they want, which is not so.. Jesus Christ predetermines what is good, needful, essential personally for you.
  
The same Jesus Christ who has said (John 15:5 KJV)  I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6  If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
 
Do see my other posts on liars, bullies, bashers, control freaks, etc.. persons with a hidden agenda, like the false dispensationalists who are too often still seeking self glorifications, being worshipped by others.. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/those-crazy-charismatics-or-pentecostals/
 

A Cyber bully unmasked again

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  Libel, slander, verbal abuse of others on the net can still get one in plenty of trouble in the courts as well… Even telling the truth has to be balanced with Compassionate (Gal 6:1 KJV)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

 

 Cyber Bullies like to tell the lie that slander, libel, bullying is an acceptable free right of expression of the internet  cause they are liars like the devil their father.. it never is..

  
“Canadian model wins right to unmask online bully in the U.S. Updated Wed. Aug. 19 2009 1:10 PM ET CTV.ca   Canadian model Liskula Cohen is used to the sometimes catty attitudes of the New York fashion world, but when one woman decided to dig her claws into her in an online blog, Cohen fought back.  In August 2008, Cohen ran across a blog on Blogger.com, called “Skanks in NYC.” The now defunct blog included five anonymous postings that read “I would have to say the first-place award for ‘Skankiest in NYC’ would have to go to Liskula Gentile Cohen.”  The posts included pictures of 5-foot-10 blond Cohen and an unidentified man in sexually suggestive positions, with captions describing her as a “skanky ho'” and “a psychotic, lying, whoring skank.”  Cohen, 37, a Canadian-born cover girl who has appeared in Vogue and other fashion magazines, was livid and demanded that Google, the owner of the blogging service, give her the poster’s identity. When Google refused, Cohen took it to court — and won.   On Tuesday, New York Supreme Court Judge Joan Madden agreed that Cohen was entitled to information about the blogger and ordered Google to turn it over.  In her ruling, Madden cited a Virginia court decision in a similar case that found that online bullies should be held accountable when they cause injury.  “The protection of the right to communicate anonymously must be balanced against the need to assure that those persons who choose to abuse the opportunities presented by this medium can be made to answer for such transgressions,” the judge said, quoting the Virginia decision.  Google complied with the ruling Tuesday evening, submitting the creator’s IP address and e-mail address — all that is required to register for a blog on Blogger.com.  Cohen told ABC’s “Good Morning America” Wednesday that she immediately recognized the blogger, describing her as an acquaintance who was a regular fixture at dinners and parties. Cohen has not revealed the blogger’s name publicly.  Cohen and her lawyer, Steven Wagner, said they are now planning a defamation suit against the blogger. Cohen alleges the blog has been harmful to her career and that prospective clients would question her about the blog and what she was doing in the photos.  While Wagner said he was happy the court recognized that “the Internet is not a place where people can freely defame people,” the attorney for the blogger disputed the judge’s reasoning.  Anne Salisbury  warned that Monday’s ruling has “potentially damaging implications for free speech on the Internet.”   After the ruling, a Google spokesman expressed sympathy for “cyber bullying” victims but said the company only divulged the user information because it was ordered to do so by a court.  “We sympathize with anyone who may be the victim of cyber bullying. We also take great care to respect privacy concerns and will only provide information about a user in response to a subpoena or other court order,” Google’s Andrew Pederson said. ” http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090819/cohengoogle_090819/20090819?hub=Canada

Google Helps Canadian Courts ID Gmail Users  Hard OCP – ‎  I know sometimes we sound like a broken record when it comes to this kind of stuff but with companies coughing up your info at the drop of a hat, trying to hide behind an e-mail addy or IP address isn’t too smart these days.

York U wins court order to reveal authors of accusatory emails Varsity

  There is still a separation between appropriate speech and inappropriate speech, a separation between freedom of speech, expressing one’s views, opinions and the delivered, deliberate conscious propagation of hatred towards a specific group or person.

 

OTTAWA — A ruling from a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member says a controversial law banning Internet hate messages is unconstitutional because it violates free speech protections. Athanasios Hadjis ruled Wednesday that section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act violates Charter protections. While this decision doesn’t throw out the law – that’s something for the courts – it did let accused hatemonger Marc Lemire off the hook, because Hadjis refused to penalize him or order him to stop posting his messages on the net. on his site.   Lemire was accused of posting anti-Semitic and anti-gay material on web sites in a complaint brought by Ottawa lawyer Richard Warman. Warman has become an Internet watchdog for such material and the main section 13 complainant before the tribunal. He had asked for a cease-and-desist order against Lemire and a $7,500 fine. Canadian Jewish Congress was quick to call for an appeal of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member   Hadjis ruling. “We strongly disagree with his decision not to impose a cease-and-desist order,” said Joel Richler, an honorary legal counsel to the congress.  The congress said other tribunal members have found the section to be constitutional and the courts should be asked to clarify the matter.

 

The Ruling from a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member says a controversial law banning Internet hate messages is unconstitutional because it violates free speech protections. Refrence the human rights act section 13.1, which says it is a violation to disseminate material on the Internet that is “likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt”  If the example is followed by other tribunal members, it could mean an end to section 13 cases.  In a special report issued in June, the commission asked Parliament to change the law to eliminate the fines and provide a clear, legal definition of what constitutes prohibited hatred. The section has been controversial, with some claiming it spreads too wide a net. The Supreme Court of Canada has said legal action should be reserved only for the most extreme forms of hate.   None of this in any way affects the hate-speech provisions of the Canadian Criminal Code which is completely different legislation, with higher standards of proof and evidence .  Hate accusations can be also  filed with the Canadian Human Rights Commission. If it finds them valid, they are then taken before the tribunal, which can order people to stop posting material on the web or impose fines of up to $10,000. 
 
Google will only remove defamatory material from Blogger when “the material has been found to be defamatory by a court, as evidenced by a court order,” according to Blogger’s terms of service.
 
and some  bloggers have been now denied any further access to  the net  to make any posts by the courts too..

CP TIVERTON, Ont. – Bruce Power, a nuclear generating facility on the shores of Lake Huron, has fired close to 100 employees at its site at Tiverton, Ont.  Spokesman Ross Lamont says the firings announced Wednesday follow an investigation of code of conduct violations in such areas as email and internet use.   He said that Bruce Power “expects all employees and contractors to live by the code of conduct. ”  Bruce Power, about 250 kilometres northwest of Toronto, employs about 3,000 people.  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090910/national/nuclear_plant_firings

It is still up to the courts or the Human Rights commissions  firstly to confirm, to define what is actually libelous, slanderous, a hate email message..  and someone’s else’s  statement and opinions  on the subject does not count. But to be on the safe side if you want to avoid court costs, ligation, if you are unsure if what you write is libel, slanderous, prosecutable better not post it on the net. Wrongfully accusing someone of posting a hate message or being a racists clearly can  be challenged in courts as a hate message itself and prosecutable.

 

Note all of this really is a non brainer for any cyber bully who falsely believe that free speech allows them to say whatever they want personally against some else, individual, individuals, or a group .

(Mat 5:22 KJV) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
James 4:1  From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? :2  Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3  Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4  Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5  Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6  But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7  Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8  Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9  Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10  Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. 

I was really saddened to note that too many of the abuses I have witnessed were done by bad , greedy people trying to steal , them trying to get other people’s money for themselves, stealing the money, or getting it under false pretenses. The love of more money is still the basis of what many of the wrong doings is, was all about..

(1 Tim 6:6 KJV) But godliness with contentment is great gain.

(1 Tim 6:17 KJV) Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

(Psa 37:16 KJV) A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked. 17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.

Many years ago some one had said that most marriage problems, divorce are over the issue of money.. some are, but many marriages break down are due to uncontrolled lusts of the flesh, and unforgiveness as well.. But I would agree that many problems amongst so called Christians, including church fights are often over over money, the control over it, and many professing Christians depart from the faith over the false lust for more money and what money can buy for them.

“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” -Romans 16:17-18 KJV

God does not at all  not not allow, accept any human rights, verbal and physical abuses and neither should we.. And  Exemplary public exposure of the Bullies, abusers, the bad, guilty persons serves everyone’s best interest next too. God undeniably himself does not show false partialities . Shout the abuses, sins truth from the housetops.. Any Children of God even who are verbally abused they will next be also physically abused if the matter is not adequately dealt with ASAP{.. Abusing others is a common reaction of the carnal flesh and is brought on by many different reasons such as 1: unfulfilled lusts or 2:  a spoiled child syndrome who tries to get their own way by whatever method it can 3: sibling rivalry 4: people who have no or little moral values, respect of others 5: one’s parental influence and upbringing..6: demon possessed persons, etc. The devil, demons and demon seduced persons, professing Christian persons falsely, wrongfully take false delight in slandering, abusing, bashing others and their evident fruits of hatred alone shows how false they themselves now are too. they clearly had, do manifest the opposite of the fruit of the Holy Spirit which is love. ,

Let me tell you we do not have to accept human rights abuse that is a lie of the devil.. in this world we have the same rights as the bully even the right to see that a bully is punished for abusing us.. God is not ignorant about the injustices inflicted upon his people, nor does he accept any of our human rights abuses without punishing the abusers shortly.. see the Bible book of Esther if you have doubts..

Est 9:25 But when Esther came before the king, he commanded by letters that his wicked device, which he devised against the Jews, should return upon his own head, and that he and his sons should be hanged on the gallows.

 

Did you know that sibling rivalry, abuse is one of the most common forms of family violence? Siblings will use physical violence because they have learned it from their parents, a bad mother or a bad father, or other adults. In fact, one study found that 76% of the children who were repeatedly abused by their parents also abused their siblings.. and their spouse next too http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/12/26/young-offenders/
 
People who have been abused ironically will also next abuse others.. . Free speech has never been a right to bully, slander, degrade, abuse anyone anywhere for that matter basically anyway, not even a religious or a political group.
“Whoever slanders his neighbor in secret, him will I put to silence…him will I not endure” (Psa. 101:5). “You speak continually against your brother and slander your own mother’s son…But I will rebuke you and accuse you to your face!” (Psa. 50:20-21).”
The verbal and mental  abusers often known as control freaks, or bullies, and then there are the physical abusers. The sad reality is abusers rarely change unless they are made personally to face some severe negative consequences, and the older they are the more severe it seems it has to be..
First you merely ask the guilty, bad persons personally to repent twice, the first time without a witness, the second time with witnesses THAT you have asked them to repent.. and proof, substantiation is NOT required.. after you have done that you can next post it openly on the net, tell all the others. Next God is fully free to deal with the unrepentant guilty offenders and believe me he will.. I have now been doing for decades too..
A self conceited, loud mouthed preacher wanted to meet with me to discuss my faults, so next  I had said to him I would gladly consent to such as meeting if I in return can have the same right with him.. I was next surprised by his response, forget it..  All personal submission is now still non enforceable even by Church pastors, elders but it is also still mutual as well, reciprocal.
Why do even professing Christian  post lies, slander on the net now? What hidden agenda do they realy have? It could be that they want to be worshipped solely, to receive alone all the praise of others for a start.. they falsely want to be the sole center of attention.. even  sibling rivalry..  Sadly some  professing Christians are abusive, they do try to dominate, do disrespect others, and falsely try to censure others, do lie about and slander them as well. These abuses. sins, wrong doings are always still a personal choice that has nothing fully  to do with one’s  persons personal political or religious beliefs, experiences now too. Slandering, lying about, calling a specific person false names, personal attacks, in a church or even on any public forum is still unacceptable now even if you are a Christian, a Baptist or a Plymouth Brethren  now too.

As you can also read in some of my posts here too I also rightfully do not hesitate to call the police, fully expose  to all,  anyone, cops or church pastors included,  who lies about me, slanders me, abuses me or any others too.

see also https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/05/02/he-that-is-without-sin/ 

 
An Ontario Superior Court judge has ordered a pair of website owners to turn over identifying information about eight people being accused of defamation after posting anonymous comments. Kershman cited a 2004 case that said privacy cannot be used to protect a person from the application of civil or criminal liability, and that privacy rights must be balanced against the rights of other interests and the public interest. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/ontario-judge-orders-website/
 
 
  

Libel, slander, verbal abuse of others on the net can still get one in plenty of trouble in the courts as well…

Even telling the truth has to be balanced with Compassionate (Gal 6:1 KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-church-pentecostal-dispute/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/since-when-are-professing-christian-allowed-to-post-lies-slander-on-the-net-now/

Also “I have attended many churches as I have lived in most parts of Canada. One constant across most churches, that I have observed, is the institutional obsession with gossip. It is one sin that we happily overlook because it is so much fun to find the ‘dirt’ on one person or another”. Most evangelical pastors do slander and gossip also. “The Greek word we translate “gossip” only appears one time in the New Testament, in 2 Cor. 12:20, where it is katalalia, which means backbiting, evil speaking, defamation. The root of katalalia is to utter words that talk against or to go as a slanderer. This is compared with the whisperer of Romans 1:29, or the slanderer or backbiter (katalalos, same root) of Romans 1:30. What interests me is that bigoted Christians love to parade the anti-homosexual bias of these verses ) but ignore the bits against whisperers and backbiters,” and divorce, adultery. What 55 percent of the evangelical pastors commit adultery, and on top of that they also now do lie, steal, slander- gossip, abuse others. Unacceptable. It is thus no surprise now then their followers do often as well..”

I have never been hated so much anywhere by any religious groups as I have been by Brethren and Baptist Christians, pastors when they find out I am a Pentecostal … their evident fruits of hatred alone shows how false they themselves now are too. they clearly had, do manifest the opposite of the fruit of the Holy Spirit which is love. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/the-power-of-god/

The ungodly, unholy wars now amongst Christians and on the net are still all shameful.. even those bad Persons who profess to be Christians but use the courts to dissolve their marriage over pastoral counseling.. Some people sadly, wrongfully still do try to make themselves feel better by getting dirt on others, but that is a futile ,vain, empty approach firstly…. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/reality-2/

 
 
 I have often rightfully said, asked that we  should in fairness not discriminate and investigate not just all of the civil, public servants, politicians, in reality but also all the pastors, evangelists, preachers and annually now fairly in all of the denominations not just a few Pentecostal ones  even for alcoholism, drug usage,  possible tax evasions, abuse of donated funds, lies, slander.. . https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/much-too-many-wolves-in-sheep-clothing/
 
Do see my other posts on liars, bullies, bashers, control freaks, etc.. persons with a hidden agenda, like the false dispensationalists who are too often still seeking self glorifications, being worshipped by others..

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/who-do-you-trust/
http://thenonconformer.blogspot.com/2006/08/truths_08.html
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/dispensationalist-plymouth-brethren/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/the-power-of-god/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/the-real-thing/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/the-false-comforters/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/even-canadian-employees-fired-for-inappropriate-blogging/

(Jer 17:5 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. 6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

(Jer 17:7 KJV) Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/get-real-now/

Processed meat increases the risk of cancer

 

I myself was just a very young church elder, I just knew some of the basics now too.. a church member, a neighbor of mine died of Cancer and her distraught son came to me asking why God had killed her. Well I was no expert so I prayed for wisdom, help, discernment. And the next words that came out of my mouth were” How often did your mother eat ham?” The son replied she had a ham sandwich everyday of her life, and there was the answer, she had killed herself and not God.. Abuse your own teeth and you too will suffer for it next, not rather God. Moderation in our eating is also essential.
 
Well about 35 years later I found the specific written proof that I was right in what I had said too.

School lunch experts turn noses up at salami Brisbane Times – Denis Campbell –  PARENTS should avoid putting ham or salami in their children’s school lunches because processed meat increases the risk of cancer, experts are warning. …

Processed Meat Like Ham Increases Bowel Cancer Risk Visit Bulgaria Ban ham to cut kids’ cancer risk: Experts Times of India

all 179 news articles »
 

Guide to Good Food: Eat less meat Green Right Now – Barbara Kessler –  Diets high in red meat like hamburgers and steaks and processed meats like cold cuts, bacon and hot dogs have been linked to an increased risk of death from …

 

Taking the heat off cancer AsiaOne – Janice Tai –  … Institute for Cancer Research found that there is convincing evidence suggesting that consuming processed meat increases colorectal cancer risk. …

 

According to a World Cancer Research Fund (WCRF) experts report, more than 40% of some of the most common cancers, including breast, bowel and stomach cancers are preventable through healthier lifestyles e.g. better diet, physical activity and weight control.

Contrary to popular belief, most cancer is not inevitable, a quarter or 26% of all cancers in the UK (26%), three-quarters of oesophageal cancers, 67% of mouth, pharynx and larynx cancers and 56% of cancers of the lining of the womb could be prevented.

While, genes play a part, often a minor one, fuelling the cancer epidemic is our lifestyle of eating junk food, drinking alcohol and a complete lack of exercise.  Simple measures like cycling to work, exchanging fatty foods for fruit could make all the difference for these and many other cancers.

According to a WCRF 2007 report, alcohol is a major factor in over 40% of mouth and throat cancers, and alcohol reduction could prevent 22% of breast cancers, 7% of bowel cancers and 17% of liver cancers.  As well, eating of red and processed meat is 5% and 10% responsible for bowel cancers, while excess body fat also plays a highly significant in a number of other cancers.

http://visitbulgaria.info/8264-report-40-common-cancers-avoidable

 

Researchers say the analysis reaffirms the benefits of a Mediterranean diet rich in vegetables, nuts, whole grains, lots of fruits, olive oil and fish, indicated the strongest evidence of lowering the risk of heart disease.

In comparison, a Western diet, heavy on processed meats, red meat, refined grains and high-fat dairy foods, high in trans-fatty acids and foods with a high glycemic index, raises the risk of heart disease.  For example, processed baked goods and snacks, fried foods are high in trans-fatty acids in many cookies and French fries, while simple or refined carbohydrates like white bread, pasta, and rice, have a high glycemic index that spikes blood sugar levels.

However, while omega-3 fatty acids found in fish, whole grains, alcohol, vitamins E and C, beta carotene, folate, fruit, and fibre, show moderate evidence of lowering the risk of heart disease, more research is needed to conclusively prove this relationship.

 

those crazy Charismatics or Pentecostals

> Emotionally unstable persons.. emotionally said by ironically an unstable person

Such remarks are typical of what you might get from many a false Charismatic, Pentecostal  protesters. I often got them  from the Brethren side of my family too…They present their own “facts,” but fall totally short in truthfulness  for they tend to falsely firstly  have a hidden agenda, and often they want to be falsely personally worshipped and live in sin too.   

(2 Tim 3:1 KJV)  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.. 2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8  Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9  But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. 10  But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11  Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12  Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13  But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
 

 Do see also https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/how-to-keep-oneself-away-from-sexual-transgressions/ and http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/revenge-on-my-abusers/

 

 I noted once again how   sadly  too many so called professing fundamental or catholic Christians now  do make false, lying, unsubstantiated, over simplified, and unbiblical statements   about those crazy Charismatics or Pentecostals but  there are still genuine Christian  workers of miracles..

In reality the people Jesus only called as “workers of iniquity” were  not those people who attend a miracle service..-
 
1) but firstly the people who did miracles themselves now in Jesus name.. not rather any of those who approached the miracle workers..   (Mat 7:22 KJV)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
and here Jesus did not say these people’s works here  now were   false.. but they were false.. they had  used the gifts of the holy spirit out of the will of God.. without God’s permission, use them on their own.. there is a time and place for the gifts of the holy Spirit now as well…. or they had still indulged in unrepented, unacceptable sins… what you have not heard also of of healing evangelist living high on the hog, or committing adultery?

   
2: And in the other reference  in the new testament  in regard to  “workers of iniquity”.. these were the people whose  sin was not repenting at the time God had called them to repent.. they wanted to repent on their own time, in their own manner too…
 
(Luke 13:24 KJV)  Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25  When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26  Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.  27  But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28  There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
 and there are still genuine Christian  workers of miracles..

(1 Cor 12:29 KJV)  Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
 
(Mark 9:38 KJV)  And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 39    But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40   For he that is not against us is on our part.
 
Many persons  clearly do really now need to get their  Bible understanding, knowledge more correct.. about the Holy spirit and what the Bible actually says..
 
(Luke 20:21 KJV)  And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly:
  
(2 Tim 2:15 KJV)  Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

James 1:19 KJV   Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:  20    For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. 21    Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. 22    But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
 
Hebrews 5:12-14, “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”
  
 (II Chronicles 19:6) “…Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment.” and do not be continually an “accuser of the brethren.” evident by ones clear absence of real love for them too.
  
Apostle Paul said he was, is the chief of sinners himself.. “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief .“—I Tim. 1:15  the same Apostle Paul who now also rebuked apostle Peter for his sin as well .The Record of the Apostle Paul Rebuking Peter Galatians 2:11-21 , Apostle Paul Rebuking Peter, Because Peter Was Wrongly Treating the Gentile Believers as Second-class Citizens (Gal 2:11 KJV)  But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.  so you also not longer respect apostle Peter as well because he continually also now sinned while following the Lord Jesus? (Mark 14:72 KJV)  And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shall deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.
  
Webster’s defines the act of judging as “to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises.” The problem arises because judging can be subjective. In other words, your judgments are based firstly on your own perceptions, motives, and understandings.  This is why two people can judge the exact same situation and come up with different determinations. Did you  with Katherine Khulman, examine her whole life, what she lived, preached, taught or just  by one bad past act of her you condemned her  falsely?  Since the judgments of man are therefore rooted in the “opinions” of man or of a women, no man’s judgments can be taken as absolute or complete truth. What did God tell you now about her himself? Jesus was able to hear God’s words  to pronounce God’s judgments.   “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” (John 7:24). We must have our will in full subjection to God’s which enables us to know God’s own words on every subject and allows us to be sent by God to others with His message. Or did you now even bother to pray to him about her before you ran away with your condemnations? The Word of God says that God enables man to judge righteously, commands man to judge righteously too, and is pleased with those who seek to judge righteously . The fact that the desire to judge righteously is highly esteemed by God.  King Solomon asks, “Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?”  We are also told not to judge according to appearances or by the flesh (John 7:24; John 8:15; James 2:1-4). This means that sound judgment cannot be based on what we see, hear, or think. Since God’s thoughts and ways are are higher than ours, He is not bound by our perceptions, opinions, or prejudices. This again is a confirmation that God alone is The Judge. Our judgments must therefore be based in His direct words to us in order for them to be true. So how is your real, direct  communication now with God, does he talk and commune with you in all things?
 
We are not to judge others in the world for God himself judges them , so we can only judge our fellow professing Christians too. To be holy spirit fruit inspectors, but we are also to judge righteously, lest we ourselves will be condemned next.. The apostle Paul also understood this relationship between judging and condemning. … reference  Jesus said, “Judge not, … (Prov 31:8 KJV)  Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. 9    Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy. To be able to judge righteously, though, the Church itself must be also righteous.   For Jesus plainly rebuked  the Pharisees for their own personal hypocrisy now too, double standards.. Jesus is not forbiding Christians to judge  He is warning that we will be held accountable for how we do it, and also what we do with what we know. In other words, if we know enough about sinful behavior to tell others that it is wrong, then we have no excuse as to why that sin or others would be present in our lives.  I Corinthians 11:31-32 that we judge ourselves first so that we will not be judged. As Jesus says in verse 5, we should cast the beam out of our own eye and then we are in position to point out the fault to others. God does not forbid us to judge, but He sets up conditions wherein we must judge. According to the Bible, the act of judging righteously is a benefit to the individual Christian and to the body of believers as a whole. First “Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.” (Psalms 139:23-24)  Not only does judging one’s self keep you in a place of being sanctified by God, it is only then that we are made fit for the Master’s use. “If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.” (II Timothy 2:21)
 
The same Apostle Paul who had said (1 Cor 5:9 KJV)  I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
 
The same apostle Paul  next had said (2 Cor 2:3 KJV)  And I wrote this same unto you, lest, when I came, I should have sorrow from them of whom I ought to rejoice; having confidence in you all, that my joy is the joy of you all. 4  For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you 5  But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all. 6  Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. 7  So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. 8  Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him. 9  For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.

thus so were, are  you able to forgive others now for their  sins? “Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?” (James 4:11-12)
 
and you do remember that Moses himself disobeyed God, struck a rock twice, and was punished by not being allowed to enter the promised land.. did that fact make him a false prophet now too? and when King David committed adultery did he now also lose his salvation  too? for king Saul had lost his anointing of the holy spirit before. And what then was the difference between David and Saul?  and could it be Genuine Personal Repentance?
  
and  when you do  judge someone else by their fruits do you look at the past or their  present fruits? Whether they had actually now repented next too? Does God remember all of your past  sins? Some or None?

    
We are to judge, but we are also to judge righteously.. when a person admits their sins,   and hopefully you do too.. (Heb 8:12 KJV)  For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. (Heb 10:17 KJV)  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
 
So how do you tell if a person has a good spirit or a bad spirit.. because even Jesus himself said believe me by my works, my miracles then (John 20:30 KJV)  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
  
(Mark 16:17 KJV)  And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18   They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.   (Mark 16:20 KJV)  And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
  
Many now  making partial truths and Making deliberately blatant , false, critical, condemning, judgmental   statement like some did about the Pentecostals now  I can see why you offend a lot of people too
  
God uses the humbled, repented  sinners as his messenger still, servants… because there is no such thing as a perfect yet person or saint in this world.. even if many lie and say they are now perfect too..  when people lie and say they are without sin, they tend to mean the degree of sin.. for we are sinners still living in a sinful body.. King David God’s beloved committed adultery too and yet God did not forsake him but used him…. because he admitted he was a sinner.
  
Galatians 1:6-7, “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”
  
Romans 16:17    “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.” (I Timothy 4:16) “Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.” (II John 1:9-11) “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
  
(1 Tim 4:16 KJV)  Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.  So by taking heed for and continuing in sound doctrine we will not only see salvation ourselves, but so will those to whom we witness. Conversely, as supported in II John 1:9-11, not continuing in sound doctrine results in us believing and spreading a perverted gospel that is powerless to save
  
“But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.” (II Thessalonians 3:13-15)
  
(2 Tim 2:15 KJV)  Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16  But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17  And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18  Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19  Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20  But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21  If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.
22  Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Matthew 27:20  But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

 

(Gal 6:1 KJV)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. (2 Tim 2:25 KJV)  In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26    And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 see also  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/a-cyber-bully-unmasked-again/

Dream on

 

(Mat 18:1 KJV)  At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2  And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3  And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4  Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5  And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6  But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7  Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8  Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9  And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

I too have learned that most people, even so called church ministers,  will not go on with God unless 
 
a: they have seen the need to die to self and live for God
b: they have learned to talk with God and do hear him
c: they apply what they have learned, for more will not be next given to them till they do
d: they have learned not to have the fear of man, or care about the need of pleasing men, listening to the others for we ought to fear, hear, obey God rather than men
e: they have full faith that God and not self or men will provide for all of their needs.
f: they are not braggarts, show offs, abusers, salnderers, thieves, drunkards, adulterers…

 
Some professing Christians tend to want still to exalt self, to promote themselves, for clearly and wrongfully they have not died to sinful self yet.

 For instance there is a repetitious site that has many of the same posters, professing to be protestant ministers,  and clearly it seems they want to do all the talking, get all the glory, are busy exalting themselves solely, proudly bullying others, bashing others and yet they still call themselves the Church of Jesus Christ.. they got to be joking!

Dream on, this is not how real Christians act, behave, if any doubt just see how Jesus behaves in the new testament and Apostle Paul now as well.
 
(Gal 5:22 KJV)  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24  And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26   Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
 
(Gal 6:1 KJV)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
 
(Gal 6:2 KJV)  Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
 
(Gal 6:3 KJV)  For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
 
 
(Titus 1:1 KJV)  Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
  
Romans 1:1  Paul, a bond-servant ( meaning a slave) of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
  
Now for me the classical definition of a biblical leaders firstly was that they were servants of God , or even slaves of God for they have died to self and lived for God… and I think I can safely say that this is not the definition most leaders, members, adherents  now in the Christian church do even hold of themselves.. or of their pastors, leaders, church leaders..
 
It seems rather to me they the pastors tend to use today now the secular, authoritarian, title of their leadership,  such as director, administrator, and  I personally had asked one pastor, minister  to define his  position from the Bible,  and he saw himself a captain of a ship – Scofield Bible, another one saw himself as a Managing Business Administrator….. this sadly is typical of the too many one man church ministries we seem to have these days too and not one modern pastor would allow likely  to be even called a servant, a slave of God, a good shepherd or a guide in fact.,, such as Apostle Paul.
 
SO HOW DOES YOUR CHURCH PASTOR SEE HIMSELF?
 

New International Version (©1984)
Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ.

 New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.

International Standard Version (©2008)
Nor are you to be called ‘Teachers,’ because you have only one teacher, the Messiah!

GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Don’t make others call you a leader, because you have only one leader, the Messiah.

King James Bible
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

American King James Version
Neither be you called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

American Standard Version
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even the Christ.

Bible in Basic English
And you may not be named guides: because one is your Guide, even Christ.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Neither be ye called masters; for one is you master, Christ.

Darby Bible Translation
Neither be called instructors, for one is your instructor, the Christ.

English Revised Version
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even the Christ.

Webster’s Bible Translation
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even Christ.

Weymouth New Testament
And do not accept the name of ‘leader,’ for your Leader is one alone–the Christ.

World English Bible
Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ.

Young’s Literal Translation
nor may ye be called directors, for one is your director — the Christ.

 
Outside of the Church yes the most command secular definition of the term leader, is not a servant, or slave but the complete opposite like a commander.. guide
 
and the specific term leader is not found in the NEW TESTAMENT of the  King James version Bible at  all, applied to any spiritual offices too.
 
 
 
lead·er   *

n. 1. One that leads or guides.

2. One who is in charge or in command of others.3. a. One who heads a political party or organization.b. One who has influence or power, especially of a political nature.

*The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

  The  individual leadership carried to an extreme becomes a dictatorship  and plurality of leadership now too as well   carried to extreme becomes dicatorial Communism
 

 The new testament Christian leader is the term elder, or a shepherd, but it generally also meant leadership by plurality of elders, the Presbyterians.. apostles- missionaries, prophets, pastors- teachers, healers, evangelists were all equal elders mutually submissive voluntarily one to another.
 
Is there in simplicity now a Biblical new testament church structure of eldership, leadership patterns and why is generally not being followed today..  Clearly firstly it is due to the lack of holy spirit filled men and women even  in most churches now too.  God still seeks spirit filled persons but many cannot handle the Holy Spirit fire.. and we do these days too need another Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter, and Apostle John these days too.
 
Jesus firstly is the head still of the church, the great shepherd and the Holy Spirit is our guide, teacher. Jesus is our King, leader, commander too.. I too serve Jesus and not mere man, and Jesus is always first for me. I thank God that while I as a sinner am still  totally helpless to be delivered from my sins here one earth, but Jesus died for them and forgave them when I admitted them, asked for his forgiveness. Should should we all, all pastors, included
 
 
-The Christian orthodox, Anglican  church uses the Old Testament priest system.. with their priests being allowed to marry.
-The Catholic church does the same, but it added Mary and no marriage for the priests or for them being allowed to have tangible property
-The present common one man protestant ministry was followed  after the pattern set by the evangelist Dwight l Moody
-Others such as some Pentecostals do follow The fivefold ministry. The Latter Rain taught that of the five ministerial roles mentioned in Ephesians 4:11 (apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher), the foundational roles of apostle and prophet had been lost after the time of the first apostles, but God was restoring these ministries in the present day. This theme has continued to this day, and has been recently rebranded by C. Peter Wagner as the “New Apostolic Reformation”. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/latter-rain/  
– others Churches, demonimations have a variation of any of these styles.