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” Spending time alone with Jesus is essential for your well being. It is not a luxury or an option; it is a necessity. Therefore, don’t feel guilty about taking time out to be with Him. Remember satan is the accuser of believers. He delights in heaping those guilty feelings on us, especially when we are enjoying the presence of Jesus. When you feel satans accusations, you are most likely on the right track. Use your shield of faith to protect yourself from him. Talk with Jesus and tell Him what you are experiencing, and ask Him to show you the way forward. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Get close to Jesus, and He will get close to you.” Bismark Kobi

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Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, :23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

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ONE CAN IMMEDIATELY HAVE THE FRUIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT BY ASKING FOR IT.. THERE ARE NO CONDTIONS. UNLIKE THE GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

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Mental Conversion to Jesus may take only a moment but practical, real transformation, conversion may take a lifetime?

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BASICALLY IT ALL DEPENDS HOW LONG YOU REALY WANT TO MAKE JESUS THE LORD OF YOUR WHOLE LIFE AND DIE TO SELF.. IN A MOMENT OR IN A LIFE TIME?

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Is Jesus Christ now the Lord of your life? or not yet? WHY NOT?

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SOME PERSONS STILL NEVER MAKE THE FULL TRANSITION SADLY..

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(John 1:12 KJV) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

(John 6:29 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

(John 9:35 KJV) Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

(John 9:36 KJV) He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?

(John 17:20 KJV) Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

(Acts 16:31 KJV) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

(Acts 19:4 KJV) Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

(Rom 4:24 KJV) But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

(Phil 1:29 KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

(1 John 3:23 KJV) And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

(1 John 5:13 KJV) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

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If Jesus Christ now is not the Lord of your life yet do not be suprised God is not using you, or that you are not being enpowered by the Holy Spirit, and as a result you are mostly BARREN

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AND FOR A TOUCH OF HEAVEN HERE ON EARTH.. CLAIM THESE PROMISES NOW

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Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

(Rev 21:4 KJV) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

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  ” There is a river of the Holy Spirit that comes from God whose streams makes glad “believers” and fills them with joy and peace. As a result this river gives them joy and gladness, thanksgiving and the voice of melody. Yes, Joy and gladness are the trade marks of being filled with the power of the Holy Spirit. Christianity is not only to be understood with our hearts and minds and appreciated for its many miracles, signs and wonders but it’s to be experienced through the moving of the Holy Spirit. ” Walt Kam ”

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There are some people who want to be the bride on every wedding and the corpse on every funeral! Don’t do anything from selfish ambition or from a cheap desire to boast, but be humble toward one another, always considering others better than yourselves. Philippians 2:3 When you are invited by anyone to a wedding feast, do not sit down in the best place, lest one more honorable than you be invited by him; and he who invited you and him come and say to you, ‘Give place to this man,’ and then you begin with shame to take the lowest place. But when you are invited, go and sit down in the lowest place, so that when he who invited you comes he may say to you, ‘Friend, go up higher.’ Then you will have glory in the presence of those who sit at the table with you. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. Luke 14:8-11   Remember the cause of King Herod’s death? Acts 12:21-24″ Magumba Martin  

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Is it right for a woman to preach, prophecy, speak in toungues,  or to pray in the church without wearing a covering on her head? This is a very divisive, controversial and an often too  emotional issue.. Firstly is it right for a women to preach? not just without a physical or symbolic covering, meaning the approval of the elders of a church? … The pastor firstly basically is not to  be the head elder of a church too ?  Another related Question is it right for a Church not to be run by a group of elders?   And Can a women be a preacher, an Apostle, a Missionary? Now what about apostle Junia , Rom 16:7 “Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.” Is it now also the letter of the law that only counts or the spirit of the law? And what about the Magna Carta of women even as stated by Jesse Pen Lewis ? It is true that the  Hen pecked husbands do not like the wife to embaress them in Public? Can a wife though preach with ther husband’s permission?
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Pray about it and ask God to show you the truth and not mere men..
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(Isa 66:3 KJV) He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
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It seems that many people, professing Christians included now,  tend to personally only seek God only when they have serious needs, problems or they do want something really bad and next when the problem is solved, or they got what they wanted, they next often tend to, do seem to forget about God again? But even all Christians now still do have major problems in life.. for there is a real devil who troubles us personally all of our life and we we are to resist him in the faith.. True happiness cannot be in reality achieved without having a continual, personal relationship with God here on earth and us continually knowing and following solely his will of our life too, instead of Idols.    Why is God jealous of idols before us? well it means he is envious for our own good.. he strives for all things to be our good… What idols? what ever replaces God is an idol.. what ever you falsely worship as substitute for God. And it can be drugs, booze, sex, or your wife, son , daughter, a persons, car,  self, even your church, your pastor, your denomination, your own doctrines, beliefs, your culture, your nationality … for we all had or  have a god shaped vacuum in our life.. but  filling it with extremes or  false substitutes, junk will never be acceptable to God. Never.
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If you still do have a God shaped vacuum that is unfilled, then no other things, no relationships or careers, goals, next will satisfy you, not even any personal, social, community relationships, acts.  Hey I also have learned long time ago that merely telling the truth to some people will not work, they have their false idols, false lies they still want to handle, and they will take the Ostrich approach to the truth, but hopefully the truth will next still help some people. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/you-can-have-no-idols-before-god-ever/
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Still the essentials of the Bible  are:

I believe that Jesus Christ was literally conceived and born of a virgin named Mary (Isaiah 7:14; Luke 1:26-33).

I believe that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life (1 Pet. 2:22; 1 Jn. 3:5).

I believe that salvation is in none other than through the name, person, work, and grace of Jesus Christ (Jn. 14:6; Jn. 3:16; Rom.5:8).

I believe that all 66 books of the Bible are the “only” inspired word of God to the world. I do not acknowledge the Apocrypha, Psuedopigrapha, Gnostic Gospels, or the Book of Mormon to be “inspired scripture” (Tim. 3:16).

I believe that God is the creator of all things, is all-poIrful, all-knowing, and in control to do as He wills (14:15; Jer. 32:17; Eph. 3:20; Psa.139:1-4; 1 Sam.2:6-9; Psa. 24:1).

I believe that all of humanity has fallen short of God’s glory and is in need of salvation; hence the reason Jesus Christ came to the earth (Rom. 3:23; Rom. 6:23; Rom. 5:8; Jn. 14:6).

I believe that God is one, but reveals Himself through the persons of the Trinity as The Father, The Son as Jesus Christ , and The Holy Spirit. Furthermore, I believe that each Person of this Trinity is God (1 Cor. 8:6 6:44; Rom. 1:7; Isa. 9:6; Jn. 1:1 Acts 5:3; Heb 9:14; Jn. 4:24).

I believe that those who die without salvation go to a literal place called Hell (Psa. 9:17; Psa.73:12-19; Luke 16:23.26; Jn. 12:48).

I believe that those who belong to Christ will inherit eternal life in a literal Kingdom of Heaven (Isaiah 65; Zech. 14).

I believe that Jesus Christ will return to gather His people, as Ill as the resurrection of the dead in Christ at His return (1 Cor. 15:21-23).

I believe in the water baptism of believers in Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38-41; Acts 22:16).

I belive in God’s will still is healing for his children, it is the children’s bread

I believe in the Holy Spirit baptism of believers in Christians evidenced by speaking in tongues as a separate experience upon making Jesus Christ Lord of your life personally ( Acts 10:38) 

I believe that Christ is the Head of the church, which should be governed by Him and that all ministers are simply under-shepherds, mutual and voluntarily  submissive one to another, plural eldershp(Eph. 1:22-23).

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More helps? great links, see

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/available-free-christian-resources-christian-ebooks/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/free-christian-ebooks-ocean-city-blog-pass-it-on/

BIBLE VERSES WALLPAPER (5)

http://pbulow.tripod.com/index.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/god-can-speak-directly-to-you.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/money-and-ministry.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2012/01/alcohol-and-other-vices.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2012/01/spiritual-gifts.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/facing-death-and-devil-too.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/about-apostles.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/those-unacceptable-persons-bullies.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/ten-commandments.html

-Does God speak to you? http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/does-god-speak-to-you/

-God still speaks outside of the Bible as well  http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/god-still-speaks-outside-of-the-bible-as-well/

-THE PROMISE of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit IS FOR YOU http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-promise-of-the-outpouring-of-the-holy-spirit-is-for-you/

-Anointed Christian believers http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/anointed-christian-believers/

-Anointed Continued http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/anointed-continued/

-Jesus Christ http://witnessed.wordpress.com/tag/jesus-christ/?vm=r

-The Church of Jesus Christ http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-church-of-jesus-christ/

-Alive, alive my Jesus is alive for evermore http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/alive-alive-my-jesus-is-alive-for-evermore/

-The true Church of Jesus Christ http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/the-true-church-of-jesus-christ/

-Pentecostals http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/pentecostals/

-God has set us free http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/god-has-set-us-free/

-Jesus can give us a fresh start everyday even in all things https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/jesus-can-give-us-a-fresh-start-everyday-even-in-all-things/

-The Holy Spirit’s anointing http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/the-holy-spirits-anointing/

-A SABBATH REST OR A GODLY REST? http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/a-sabbath-rest-or-a-godly-rest/

-True Christians Are Holy Ghost Baptized http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/true-christians-are-holy-ghost-baptized/

-Why God Used D. L. Moody By R. A. Torrey http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/why-god-used-d-l-moody-by-r-a-torrey/

-The Holy Spirit is the mind of Christ http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-holy-spirit-is-the-mind-of-christ/

-The false Demotion of the Holy Spirit, Jesus http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-false-demotion-of-the-holy-spirt-jesus/

-The restoration of http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/the-restoration-of/

-The essential Political, Relgious, Christian truths https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/the-essential-political-relgious-christian-truths/

-Worship Him by giving http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/worship-him-by-giving/

-The gift of discernment https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/the-gift-of-discernment/

-Righteous In Christ Alone! http://jesussayscome.wordpress.com/

-The Supremacy of Jesus Christ http://jesussayscome.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/supremacy-of-jesus-christ/

The Promises OF Eternal Life by Jesus Christ http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/the-promises-of-eternal-life-by-jesus-christ/

-Some people are realy lucky.. they experience  Jesus http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/

-How do you recognize if a person is a true Christian, or what  is a Christian? http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/how-do-you-recognize-if-a-person-is-a-true-christian-or-what-is-a-christian/

-Once Saved Always Saved ? Can you still lose your salvation in  Jesus Christ? https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/once-saved-always-saved-can-you-still-lose-your-salvation-in-jesus-christ/

-Bad Pastors, bad deacons, bad elders = bad church https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-deacons-bad-elders-bad-church/

-Hireling http://thenonconformer.yolasite.com/index/hireling

-Many persons now they are trying to change  others http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/many-persons-now-they-are-trying-to-change-others/

-About those that hate me and thee wrongfully http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/about-those-that-hate-me-and-thee-wrongfully/

-Laying of hands, Impartation, Breathe of the Spirit,  Anointings, Anointed http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/laying-of-hands-impartation-breathe-of-the-spirit-anointings-anointed/

-They realy have not been Baptized yet by the Lord Jesus Christ  and his Holy Spirit http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/they-realy-have-not-been-baptized-yet-by-the-lord-jesus-christ-and-his-holy-spirit/

-They ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ http://jesussayscome.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/they-ceased-not-to-teach-and-preach-jesus-christ/

-The power in the name of jesus http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/the-power-in-the-name-of-jesus/

-The need for binding and loosening related to Satan, his evil  spirits. http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/the-need-for-binding-and-loosening-related-to-satan-his-evil-spirits/

-The Pentecostal Movement https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-pentecostal-movement/

-My biggest regrets http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/my-biggest-regrets/

-You cannot judge me https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/you-cannot-judge-me/

-Pride leads to destruction and humility to honour.. What  motivates many persons these days? https://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/06/05/pride-leads-to-destruction-and-humility-to-honour-what-motivates-many-persons-these-days/

-The ostrich form of Christianity that contradicts the Bible http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/the-ostrich-form-of-christianity-that-contradicts-the-bible/

-It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man  to hear the song of fools http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/t-is-better-to-hear-the-rebuke-of-the-wise-than-for-a-man-to-hear-the-song-of-fools/

– WHO IS JESUS CHRIST – IS HE A JEW, GENTILE OR NEITHER NOW? http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/who-is-jesus-christ-is-he-a-jew-gentile-or-neither-now/

-What does the word chosen mean in the Bible? http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/what-does-the-word-chosen-mean-in-the-bible/

-Jews, Arabs, None of them politically correct. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/jews-arabs-none-of-them-politically-correct/

-Now why was Jesus even so angry with the Pharisees https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/now-why-was-jesus-even-so-angry-with-the-pharisees/

-About those Jews, persons who still falsely refuse to  acknowledge openly Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/about-those-jews-persons-who-still-falsely-refuse-to-acknowledge-openly-jesus-christ-as-their-lord-and-savior/

-Sheep or trouble maker? https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/trouble-maker-or-a-timid-sheep/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/jesus-christ-is-god/

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a friend is someone who will readily do what you ask them to do and we tend to seek their approval, acceptance, advice, opinions..

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Psa 50:16  But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?  :17  Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.  :18  When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers.  :19  Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.  :20  Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother’s son.  :21  These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.  :22  Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.  :23  Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I show the salvation of God.

Do you have bad Christian and non Christian friends who cheat, lies, steal, use bad words, profanity, are involved pornogrpahy, are alcoholics, adulterers etc..

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well you cannot even lead them to Christ if you disobey God and are now friends with them

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a man is known by the company he or she keeps, tell me who your friends are and we can tell what kinda of a person you really are like..

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2 Cor 3:2  Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:

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Eph 5:2  And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3  But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4  Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5  For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6  Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. :7  Be not ye therefore partakers with them. :8  For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9  (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10  Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13  But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14  Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.  :15  See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,  :16  Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17  Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18  And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19  Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20  Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

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1 John 2:15  Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17  And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

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2 Cor 6:14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

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2 Cor 6:17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2 Cor 7:1  Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God..

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I  am getting tired of the person wanting to be friends and them next contacting me ASAP and begging me ASAP for money on the net…  God is to be their source.. not me.. and true Christians do not beg for it.. they always pray for it..secretly too..  and if God is not supplying it do ASAP ask Him why.. I was with a group of Bible students living in a home and we trated soley God to supply our needs.. …we would make a lst of things we wanted, needed and would pray over it, in Jesus name and next God would supply everything in his way and in his time.. Months later this miraculous supply  had stopped one day for good,  and when I went to prayer to God as to why , God had said one of the Bible students was stealing the food, reselling it, cause he was going out with a girl.. Reminds me of the too many bad TV preachers too.. what else is new a Judas in our midst.. so God could not bless us with his provisons. The Just shall live by Faith in God, and not faith in others..  You know I often  hear alcoholics as well quoting me Bible verses as to why they should get money from others too.. so they can continue in sin.. Now as per  “carrying one another burdens to furfill the word of God?” is that in your Gospel or what Bible specifc verse are you referring to?  Cause I agree we are to pray one for another.. Cause God also said we are to insure our  money is spent wisely, we are to be good stewards of it too. God also said cursed, note cursed, is he that puts his trust into man,, for then God will show you wahat sinful man is realy like.. The just shall live by faith in God.. not faith in your church, pastor, wife, brothers  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/god-wants-you-to-grow/

Mat 18:7  Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!  :8  Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.  :9  And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.  :10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.  11  For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.  :12  How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?  :13  And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.  :14  Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

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Mat 18:15  Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.  :16  But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. ; 17  And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.  :18  Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.  :19  Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.  :20  For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. 

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:21  Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?  :22  Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. 

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What is it that  the witnesses attest? God already knows the wrong done.. and what the wittness are for is that it is undeiable evidence that you gave the offending brother or sister now a chance to repent for if he or she now does not God will, he God himelf will deal with them, and believe me when I clearly say that  it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.. for i have often seen the unrepentant person, or pastor, elder, next  lose their heath, prosperity, job, church, ministry even, some  their life, next as a direct result that they had refused to repent, to take heed to what was presented to them in front of wittnesses.

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.MEN AND WOMEN DO NOW NEED TO DRESS EVERYWHERE, IN CHURCHES NOW TOO LIKE REAL,  HUMBLE  CHRISTIANS AND NOT LIKE WHORES. YES GET THE BRIGHT COLORED OR TIGHT PANTS OFF THE SUPPOSED LADIES. AND THE SHORT DRESSES TOO.. DO ALL STOP LOOKING LIKE WHORES. DO STOP THE SHOW OFF EXPENSIVE CLOTHES, SHOES EVEN AT CHURCH TOO LIKE IT WAS A COMPETETION, AFASHION SHOW.. GOD DOES NTO CARE ABOUT THE NICE CLOTHERS BUT HE CARES ONLY ABOUT YOUR HEART CONDITON AND HOW YOU DO TREAT HIS SON JESUS CHRIST AND OTHERS..

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Nearly Half of Churchgoing Americans Say Church Doesn’t Have an Effect on Their Lives    because more than half of them are merely social climbers and are not real Christians, they are not saved in Jesus Christ yet.. they clearly go to church for the wrong reasons.. they even refuse to admit they are sinners even.. otherwise they would likley want to be saved, healed, delivered..

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John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

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Believe on the lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.. is what the New Testament says

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Start to listen to God and not self. mere men.. follow the Bible itself..

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A FULL HONEST GOSPEL INCLUDES BOTH JESUS AS SAVIOR AND CHRIST AS HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZER.

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The word christos means a person HOLY SPIRIT anointed . The Greek name for an individual “Christos” rendered “Christ” in Scripture, the basic of the term Christian now as well, comes from the Greek word “chrio” means to anoint with oil, the symbol of the Holy Spirit, one can tell if any person is a Christian cause they also can see the evidence of the holy spirit’s anointing.. so now we all can be anointed one inspectors of all Christians now too.

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Luke 4:18-19 (Wey) [Jesus:] “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed me to proclaim Good News to the poor; He has sent me to announce release to the prisoners of war and recovery of sight to the blind: to send away free those whom tyranny has crushed, to proclaim the year of acceptance with the Lord.”

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But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. . . . As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him. 1 John 2:20, 27

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Additionally, we find a word christianos in Acts 11:26, which means “one belonging to the Anointed One,”

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Disciples of Jesus Christ were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Acts 11:26) because evidentially their behavior, activity, and speech were anointed, Christ like. (Acts 10:38 KJV) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

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ALSO DEFINATELY ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRT IN THE BOOKS OF ACTS THEY ALL WERE GIVEN A PRAYER LANGUUAGE, ALL PRAYED IN TOUNGUES,, SO WHY DO THE FALSE PREACHERS OMIT THIS? DEVIL LED OF COURSE..

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Eat the meat God wants us all to eat.. the truth and the reality still is that Christian vegetarianism is a minority Christian … Christian vegetarianism is not a common practice.. The Bible records Jesus eating fish (Luke 24:42-43) and lamb (Luke 22:8-15). Jesus miraculously fed the crowds fish and bread, a strange thing for Him to do if He was a vegetarian (Matthew 14:17-21). In a vision to the apostle Peter, Jesus declared all foods to be clean, including animals (Acts 10:10-15). After the flood in Noah’s time, God gave humanity permission to eat meat (Genesis 9:2-3). God has never rescinded this permission. the nation of Israel was commanded not to eat certain foods (Leviticus 11:1-47), but there was never a command against eating meat. Jesus declared all foods, including all kinds of meat, to be clean (Mark 7:19). As with anything, each Christian should pray for guidance as to what God would have him/her eat. Whatever we decide to eat is acceptable to God as long as we thank Him for providing it (1 Thessalonians 5:18). “So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31).

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we are not to judge what is right for any Christian believer to eat..

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Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. :16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

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I do believe we all should have   faith for God to supply what we  needs and  rightfully I still do not endorse any Christians , anyone, any person, any organization, any Church, Hirelings  now trying to make any money from  the gospel, or especaily now  their  too often begging, asking for funding,  money.  They need to pray for it. I also do not approve of   Bibles, books, tapes being listed   for sale in churches or on the net. Jesus said as we have freely received so we are freely to give. Hirelings in their greed and visible lack of faith don’t trust God  to provide.. but trust others to do so….. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/god-wants-you-to-grow/

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Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;  Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.   The greek tense here is continual present meaning God keeps on giving to the church, apostles, prophets..

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2 Cor 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

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By the way God do clearly note that has continually called many all of the humble Apostles and God serving Prophets to his body, the church of today, and they all were easily recognized as such by many beievers even by their true gifts now too, and they did not force themselves upon us, they were mutally submissve too, and God has not called a few or just One person such as this false Apostle Eric vonAnderseck whose cold and clearly unloving posts are not HOLY SPIRIT led, for he still also believes that the BIBLE as we have it is a lie from Satan and he says that there should be extra books in it such as the three so-called books of Enoch found in the Catholic Bibles which are rightfully not part of the Bible and for good reasons now too.. so do dispose all of his clearly Catholic based charismatic messages in the trash bins.

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You see, in order for their teaching to flourish, they must first claim that the “true” teachings of the Christian Church have been lost and that “they” are the sole ones who are sent to reveal what God “really” wants Christians to know in these last days The typical confusing messages as supposedly being being sent by God to “restore the truth” is very common, too typical among cult and false groups led by Satan such as the Mormons, Jehovah Winttsess, Seventh Day adventists, Judiazers, Plymouth Bretheren now too… .He clearly also wants to be able to teach whatever he wants without anyone criticizing him or comparing his teachings to the Bible. What is he afraid of? Obvious his exposure as being false..

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Who is, was Jim Bakker? and what the Internet says about him..

The mouth of an immoral woman is a deep pit; He who is abhorred by the LORD will fall there. Proverbs 22:14

The righteousness of the upright will deliver them, But the unfaithful will be caught by their lust. Proverbs 11:6

The Man of The Hour?

Who said I cannot judge liars, rapists and thieves? Not God! Rather Jesus told us in Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 7:16 “You will know them by their fruits. So we can judge, write and read about them? For the record, what biblical restoration did Jim Bakker do for his sins and crimes ? None! Jim Bakker repented of what? Very little! So his repentance wasn’t worth much? The only thing that Jim Bakker ever repented off was teaching prosperity. In his book he doesn’t admit to repenting to anything else. Now we know from fact that Jim was an adulterer, a thief, a liar and bisexual and he did these things in public as a religious leader. Could you please tell me when he repented of his sins in public just like David did in Psalm 51 and “Zacchaeus did in Luke?

Luke 19:5 And when Jesus came to the place, He looked up and saw him, and said to him, “Zacchaeus, make haste and come down, for today I must stay at your house.” 19:6 So he made haste and came down, and received Him joyfully. 19:7 But when they saw it, they all complained, saying, “He has gone to be a guest with a man who is a sinner.” 19:8 Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, I give half of my goods to the poor; and if I have taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore fourfold.” 19:9 And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham; 19:10 “for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”

EX 22:1 “If a man steals an ox or a sheep, and slaughters it or sells it, he shall restore five oxen for an ox and four sheep for a sheep.

EX 22:4 “If the theft is certainly found alive in his hand, whether it is an ox or donkey or sheep, he shall restore double.

“He was one of the worst of the very worst preacher men begging on TV, the kind of conman and scripture twisters that could make anyone flip the channel as fast as humanly possible (Christian or non-Christian), the leader of the so-called PTL Club (Praise the Lord), a show full of hand clapping and bebopping and unscrupulous moneychanging shenanigans and crocodile tears galore — and the odd thing was, even when he had fallen as far as he could fall (lying, cheating, promiscuity, false prosperity theology to separate trusting Christians from their money, rape, homosexuality, tax fraud) he was always sincere, by his own word he probably felt he really was serving God, and he probably started out not all that far from the truth.” (Douglas Christian Larsen)

Jim Bakker was founder and former president of the PTL Ministries. Sam Johnson was director of World Missions in 1986. Richard Dortch was the PTL’s 2nd minister in 1984. In 1987 former Secretary of the Interior James Watt, and retired televangelist Rex Humbard were named to the PTL board by then- chairman Reverend Jerry Falwell.

Bakker resigned from Praise The Lord ministries in 1987 after admitting he had an affair with a ministry secretary. In 1989, he was convicted in Charlotte of a wire and mail-fraud scheme over the sale of more than 150,000 lifetime partnerships to the planned Heritage USA theme park in Fort Mill, S.C.

Bakker’s 45-year sentence was reduced to 18 years and he served five before his parole in 1995. While in prison, his former wife, Tammy Faye – now remarried as Tammy Faye Messner – divorced him.

Bakker has since contended that his years in prison were his salvation. He re-read all the scriptures and crucially concluded that the so-called “prosperity preaching” of his PTL days – wherein he equated dollar-wealth with godliness – was misguided. For a while, Bakker lived by his new creed that God also attended to the poor. He moved to Los Angeles where he met his new wife, with whom he is now raising seven Hispanic foster children.

Although many sheep are leery of Bakker, the clergy admired his propensity to rob and use the sheep. In 1995, when he was barely out of prison, he addressed a Christian leadership conference where 10,000 clergymen cheered and gave him a 15-minute standing ovation. “I thought people would spit on me,” he later recalled. “Instead they received me with open arms.”

Bakker is now back on the air with “The Jim Bakker Show,” taped in Branson, Mo.

Jim Bakker is an evangelical fundamentalist who began his television career co-hosting a children’s puppet show with his wife Tammy Faye on Pat Robertson’s 700 Club television show. Bakker rose to fame as a TV evangelist in the PTL (Praise the Lord) Ministry, an enterprise he started in 1974 and built from the ground up. The PTL claimed in 1987 to have 13 million subscribers and assets of $175 million including Heritage USA, a 2,300-acre Christian theme park and home of the PTL Network in Ft. Mill, North Carolina. Other assets included the PTL Network, and a retirement center in Charlotte, North Carolina.

The PTL Network reached an estimated 13 million households on its own cable channel and was also aired on 180 other commercial stations. Heritage USA was a lavish resort with a 500-room luxury hotel, an amphitheater for staging passion plays, an amusement park, and Billy Graham’s boyhood home–brought there piece by piece and reconstructed. (Hence Billy Graham supported Jim Bakker in prison and out of prison!)

Guests who have made appearances on the Bakker’s TV show included: evangelists Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, James Robison, and Robert Schuller; actors Mickey Rooney, Roy Rogers and Dale Evans, Pearl Bailey, Anita Bryant, Little Richard, and Mr. T.

Speaking about the rise of an entrepreneurial movement in Pentecostal Christianity author Susan Harding wrote of the PTL: “It reached its apogee in Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker’s Heritage USA, a kind of postmodern pentecostal mecca. Their ‘inspirational theme park’ conspicuously celebrates consumption, play, excess, indulgence, immediate gratification, wild swings of growth and crisis, anti- hierarchy, feminization, polymorphous perversity, ‘name it/claim it,’ visual images, spectacle and narrative fragmentation, disposable identities, movement, artifice, depthlessness and decenteredness.

However, all has not been rosy for the PTL which by 1978 was $13 million in debt and in 1979 was investigated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) about Bakker’s on-the-air solicitations for overseas work, which were used to pay the bills for his domestic operations. The investigation of the PTL Network disappeared in the restructuring of the FCC that occurred in the early years of the Reagan administration. Bakker and his ministry continued to expand and managed to stay financially afloat until 1987.

The fall of the PTL began at the February 1987 National Religious Broadcasters convention when Jimmy Swaggart heard rumors of sexual infidelities on the part of Jim Bakker. Bakker, fearing that Swaggart would create a public scandal and take over Heritage USA, resigned from the PTL Network in March 1987, turning temporary control over to Jerry Falwell. Falwell examined the books and found that the PTL was more than $60 million in debt. Falwell refused to turn the network back to the Bakkers, claiming them to be unfit for the ministry of the gospel. Falwell’s financial rescue plan for the PTL complex was turned down by Judge Rufus Reynolds as being inadequate for contributors and creditors. Falwell then resigned as head of the PTL in 1988, turning the ministry over to board members James Watt and Rex Humbard.

Meanwhile the IRS had been investigating the PTL since 1980, claiming the Heritage USA theme park operations were commercial, not ministerial. After Falwell’s resignation, the IRS revoked the PTL’s tax-exempt status retroactive to 1980. The IRS claimed that the PTL owed $65 million in back taxes. The PTL went into bankruptcy proceedings in 1988 and was sold when Judge Rufus Reynolds accepted a bid of $115 million from Rabbi Stephen Mernick, an Orthodox rabbi from Toronto.

Jim Bakker had no formal training in theology–he failed to complete even the introductory course in religious doctrine at North Central Bible College. The Bakker ministry was one of love–the God that healed and forgave all human trangressions. Bakker’s ministry sanctioned extreme forms of “conversion experiences,” where sinners turned into saints via divine intervention. This allowed Bakker to accept a wide variety of religious beliefs and traditions into the fold of his ministry. The Bakkers used the tradition of Pentecostal testimony on the PTL Network to work through the many crises in their lives and to justify their extravagant lifestyles and financial transgressions. Between 1984 and mid-1987, the Bakkers received annual salaries of $200,000 each and Jim awarded himself over $4 million in bonuses. The Bakkers owned, among other things, a $600,000 house in Palm Springs, 4 condos in California, and a Rolls Royce.

Bakker has been disordained as an Assembly of God minister. At its peak 25 ordained ministers from the Assemblies of God worked full-time for the PTL. PTL sold “lifetime memberships” for a $1,000 or more which entitled buyers to a 3-night stay annually at a luxury hotel in Heritage USA. According to the prosecution at Bakker’s trial, tens of thousands of memberships had been sold, and only one 500-room hotel completed. Bakker had not only sold more “exclusive” partnerships than could be accommodated, but had also raised more than twice the money needed to build the hotel. The Bakker trial revealed that a good deal of the money had gone into operating expenses of Heritage USA, and Bakker kept $3,700,000 for himself.

Bakker, who apparently made all of the financial decisions for the PTL and kept two sets of books to conceal the accounting irregularities, took conspicuous consumption to new extremes. PTL once spent over $100,000 for a private jet to fly the Bakker’s clothing across the country. PTL also spent more than $100 on a purchase of cinnamon rolls because Jim and Tammy wanted the smell of them in their hotel room.) “They [Bakkers] epitomized the excesses of the nineteen eighties–the greed, the love of glitz, and the shamelessness– which in their case was so pure as to almost amount to a kind of innocence.”

The PTL, the Christian Broadcasting Network, and the Trinity Broadcasting Network in April 1980 pooled their resources to provide live and taped coverage of the Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship International’s day-long prayer rally, “Washington for Jesus.”

Jim Bakker claimed that the PTL sent “a large monthly contribution to Mark Buntain whose overseas ministry feeds 12,000 children a day.” However, the Charlotte Observer reported in 1979 that the PTL raised thousands of dollars for foreign missions that never went to the missions. In 1986 the PTL claimed it was in the process of building a School of Evangelism which would use missionaries, radio, and television to send its message around the globe. This, as with many other Bakker schemes, never happened. At that time PTL television shows were being broadcast in Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Thailand.

Jim Bakker’s daily TV show reached an estimated 5.8 million households each month during 1986. After losing Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker in 1987, “The PTL Club” broadcasts went from 67 TV stations down to 32 stations, and its viewing audience dropped by half.

In 1988 Bakker, his number 2 administrator Richard Dortch, and aides David and James Taggart were indicted on charges of fraud and conspiracy. Bakker and Dortsch were charged, among other things, with illegally taking some $4 million in bonuses from PTL funds, defrauding at least 150,000 contributors to the PTL, mail fraud, tax evasion, defrauding the thousands of “lifetime partners” who bought memberships to Heritage USA, and conspiring to “create and continue to lead lavish and extravagant life-styles.” Bakker was found guilty on 24 counts of fraud and conspiracy and in October 1989 was sentenced to 45 years in jail and fined $500,000. He was paroled because the original judge made some statements about Jim’s religious beliefs which were not proper.

Sources:

1. “Jim Bakker Indicted on Fraud Charges,” Fund Raising Management, Jan 1989.

2. Russell Shaw, “TV Ministries Gaining Ground After Scandals,” Electronic Media, Jan 30, 1989.

3. Louise Bourgault, “The ‘Jim Bakker Show’: The Program, Its Viewers and Their Churches,” The Journal of Communication and Religion, Mar 1988.

4. Letter from Sam Johnson, PTL Ministry, Dec 8, 1986.

5. Letter from Jim Bakker, PTL Television Network, Aug 8, 1983.

6. Sara Diamond, Spiritual Warfare (Boston, MA: South End Press, 1989).

7. “God and Money: Sex Scandal, Greed and Lust for Power Split the TV Preaching World,” Newsweek, April 6, 1987.

8. “Divided Pentecostals: Bakker and Swaggart,” The Christian Century, May 6, 1987.

9. Susan Harding, “The World of the Born-Again Telescandals,” Michigan Quarterly Review, Fall 1988.

10. David Earle Anderson, “The ‘Holy War’ for Ratings,” Christianity and Crisis, May 4, 1987.

11. “Power, Glory–And Politics,” Time, Feb 17, 1986.

12. “Jerry Falwell Is Not Just Another Baptist Minister,” Christianity Today, Mar 18, 1988.

13. “Can Jim and Tammy Make a Comeback?,” U.S. News & World Report, Oct 19, 1987.

14. “Fresh Out of Miracles,” Newsweek, May 11, 1987.

15. “TV’s Unholy Row,” Time, Apr 6, 1987.

16. Richard N. Ostling, “Jim Bakker’s Crumbling World,” Time, Dec 19, 1988.

17. Facts on File (New York, NY: Facts on File, 1989).

18. Terry C. Muck, “Healing the Church–After Bakker: Thanks to a North Carolina Jury, a Time of Recovery Can Come to American Christians,” Christianity Today, 1989.

19. “An Unholy War in the TV Pulpits,” U.S. News and World Report, April 6, 1987.

20. Richard N. Ostling, “Falwell Throws In the Towel,” Time, Oct 19, 1987.

21. Richard N. Ostling, “Tuesday, the Rabbi Bought PTL,” Time, Oct 17, 1988.

22. “Praise the Lord, Pay IRS,” Time, May 2, 1988.

23. Frances FitzGerald, “Jim and Tammy,” The New Yorker, April 29, 1990.

24. GroupWatch – The Interhemispheric Resource Center, Box 4506, Albuquerque, NM 87196.

25. Hadden, Jeffrey K. and Anson Shupe. Televangelism: Power and Politics on God’s Frontier. New York: Henry Holt and Company, 1988.

26.Jean Seligmann, “The Inimitable Tammy Faye, Newsweek, June 8, 1987, p. 69.

27. Cited in Gordon Witkin and Jeannye Thornton, “Stones Fly in the TV Temple,” U.S. News ~ World Report, June 8, 1987.

28. Transcript, Jim Bakker’s statement of March 19, 1987. Charlotte Observer, March 20, 1987.

29. Megan Rosenfeld, “Bakker Says His Ministry is at an End,” Washington Post, May 2, 1987.

30. Art Harris and Michael Isikoff, “The Bakkers’ Tumultuous Return, Washington Post June 12, 1987.

31. Transcript of ABC’s “Nightline,” May 28, 1987.

32. “Statements from Bakkers,” USA Today, April 27, 1987.

33. Ted Mellnik, “Bakker, Dortch Dismissed,” Charlotte Observer, May 5, 1987.

34. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bakker

Jim Bakker’s back

Independent (England), June 15, 2003

http://news.independent.co.uk/

The life of Jim Bakker, the world’s most famous fallen tele-evangelist, has always been about numbers, and we are not just talking hymns and psalms. There was the $1.9m salary he paid himself in 1986, the last full year that he led the Praise The Lord (PTL) Ministry that he founded in 1972 with his thickly mascara’d wife, Tammy Faye. At the time, he owned six luxury mansions, 47 bank accounts and a single Rolls-Royce. He was accustomed to raising $1m from his TV-goggling disciples across America every two days. Then came 1989, when he was charged, and convicted, on 24 counts of fraud and conspiracy for stealing $3.7m from his flock to fund his fabulous lifestyle.

We could go on in this vein forever. It was never exactly clear how many sexual partners (allegedly both women and men) he enjoyed in those crazy days before his reckoning with the law and crushing humiliation. We do know he paid $265,000 in cash to buy the silence of a church secretary he had been involved with in 1980.

The opulence of the Bakkers’ lifestyle at the height of their reign could not be measured in simple figures, however. They enjoyed the American Dream, but a garishly inflated version of it. They had an air-conditioned dog kennel and gold-plated bathrooms. Theirs was the kind of money that bought everything except good taste. Tammy Faye, who used glove puppets to help explain the Word of the Lord on air, is still seen today as the gold standard for eye shadow run amok. There is even a documentary film about her simply called The Eyes of Tammy Faye Bakker. Jim had a monkey face. His apple-shiny cheeks contrived to look at once bloated and stretched.

The Bakkers flaunted their wealth and used it to raise more and more of it. They offered a model of extravagant living that viewers drank in, presumably not in a spirit of post-modern irony. At its peak, the PTL broadcasts touched 13.5 million American households every day. The Bakkers are still being pursued for $3m (£1.9m) in unpaid income tax.

But there is one number, above all, that Jim Bakker, will never forget. It is 07407-058. Put “Inmate” in front of it, and you will see why. Bakker was sentenced to 45 years in federal prison for his crimes, even though some of the counts against him were later reversed and in 1994 he was released after only five years behind bars. By then, Tammy Faye had divorced him and Bakker, we all assumed, would fade into shamed obscurity. One thing was for sure, he told one interviewer shortly afterwards – he would never preach on television again.

He did write a book, however, simply called I Was Wrong. And then, lo and behold, Bakker was wrong again. Not only is he preaching once more, but he is doing it before the cameras. Second chances are encouraged in Christian teaching and, for sure, they are allowed in America. For proof, you need look no further than a joint called the Studio City Café in Branson, Missouri, a folksy tourist town that peddles God and country music to Middle America in roughly equal measures.

Since January, Bakker, 63, and his new wife, Lori Graham Bakker, have been turning up here each weekday morning to record an hour-long show of music, pious chat and, of course, old-fashioned preaching. The show is being carried by a growing roster of television stations across America and, via satellite, around the world. Assisting them are 20 Christian singers doubling as waitresses and cooks and, on most days, a celebrity guest of questionable calibre. Tony Orlando was on recently, and if you can’t quite pin him down, he is the man who sang “Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Ole Oak Tree” with Dawn. On hand every day to ensure an atmosphere of wholesome devotion to Bakker, are the paying customers of the 260-seat café, nearly all tourists visiting Branson, cheering him on while shovelling down barbecued ribs and eight-inch-high chocolate gateaux.

Bakker, in other words, has made a swift journey from shamed to shameless. When the new Jim Bakker Show hit the airwaves in January, it was 16 years to the day since his last PTL appearance. Yet the sins that were subsequently unearthed were surely enough to make any resurrection in the TV evangelising business an utter impossibility. Chief among them was his success in persuading countless viewers to donate sums of $1,000 or more to purchase “lifetime partnerships” in a hotel complex at his glitzy Christian theme park in North Carolina called Heritage USA.

The theme park, with a Main Street to rival Disney World’s, certainly existed – but the hotel never did. It was the biggest time-share scam ever conceived, cloaked in the false respectability of the name of God. Thousands of American souls, mostly retirees, found they would be unable ever to get their money back. Bakker was defrocked by his denomination, the Assemblies of God, for “conduct unbecoming of a minister”, and all of America, and his fellow television evangelists, turned against him. Jerry Falwell publicly declared Bakker a sexual deviant, an embezzler and a liar. After taking over the PTL Club, as it was known, and taking it into bankruptcy, Falwell called its founder “the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in two thousand years of church history”. Few at the time disagreed.

Bakker has since contended that his years in prison were his salvation. He re-read all the scriptures and crucially concluded that the so-called “prosperity preaching” of his PTL days – wherein he equated dollar-wealth with godliness – was misguided. For a while, Bakker lived by his new creed that God also attended to the poor. He moved to Los Angeles where he worked for a ministry working in a city ghetto. It was there that he met his new wife, with whom he is now raising seven Hispanic foster children. Later the couple moved to Florida where they founded a Christian camp for inner-city teens, called the New Covenant Fellowship. And, as he did so, Bakker discovered that he was not quite the pariah he imagined. When he addressed a Christian leadership conference in Phoenix, Arizona, in 1995, when he was barely out of prison, 10,000 clergymen cheered and gave him a 15-minute standing ovation. “I thought people would spit on me,” he later recalled. “Instead they received me with open arms.”

Bakker recently commented that it was a “supernatural act of God” that got him back in front of the cameras. He may also have been inspired by his ex-wife, Tammy Faye. In 1994, she married Roe Messner, a construction contractor who used to be one of Jim’s best friends and who helped build Heritage USA, and now she too is exploiting her notoriety on the tube. With a little-known actor, Jim J Bullock, she has a cable chat-show featuring D-list Hollywood guests, entitled The Jim J and Tammy Faye Show. She talks Tinseltown and glamour but leaves God well out of it.

But, in fact, most of the credit for Jim’s resurrection goes to a Branson businessman called Jerry Crawford. Crawford’s unbroken admiration of Bakker stemmed from his memory of visiting Heritage USA many years earlier, an experience, he has since claimed, that saved his then crumbling marriage. Crawford owns the Studio City Café in Branson and persuaded Bakker that it was the perfect venue for a television comeback. Relying on the sweat partly of volunteers and the broadcast talents of other devotees of Bakker, the restaurant was hastily converted in time for January’s launch. It remains a shoe-string affair. Fabulous has made way for folksy and Bakker cuts a self-consciously humble figure.

“Oh my, I never really planned to come back on television,” commented Bakker himself. “I had been sick for two months before the show started, and I think it was related to my losses before, to the press, and what I’ve been through. I think it was just my body saying, ‘No! No! Don’t put your head above the crowd. You’ll get tomatoes thrown at you again.'”

And the reception has been remarkable. “I’ve never been welcomed so wonderfully anywhere in my life,” Bakker said of Branson and his new audiences. “I’m beyond excited, I’m overwhelmed.” His show airs daily on 30 Christian broadcast television stations around the US, even though in some markets the time-slot is in the small hours. It is taken by 200 cable channels and, most recently, reaches homes worldwide via the Christian Television Network’s “Angel” satellite. “We didn’t really get any flak at all [for putting Bakker back on the air],” commented CTN’s president Bob D’Andrea. “We’ve had a lot of favourable comments that people are glad to see Jim back.”

And among the folks packing the Studio City Café, you will even find a few who donated to PTL and to the hotel scheme and lost everything they gave. But, apparently, there is just something about Bakker they cannot resist. And they forgive him. “We lost money,” Bill Armstrong, recently retired from a metal casting company, told a reporter from the Springfield News-Leader after visiting the café and watching Bakker do his thing again. “He’s forgiven.” And people respond to his new low-key tone. “We don’t come as someone who has all the answers,” Bakker insisted. “We don’t come as examples. We come as a demonstration of God’s restoration.”

He may not want to be an example – prison is seldom something the average viewer aspires to – but Bakker has not been able to resist digging out some of the trappings of his old incarnation. A few of the more valuable paintings that used to adorn the walls of Heritage USA are once again on view in the café, including four huge paintings of Jesus by Joseph Wallace King. And on a small wall just next to the kitchen, fans can find a collection of framed photographs, harking back to the days when Bakker hob-nobbed with presidents and tycoons. Bakker can be seen posing with Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon and George Bush Sr. There is even a frame exhibiting an engraved napkin ring and other mementoes from Air Force One from the day in 1980 when President Carter invited him on board to help him pray for the American hostages in Iran.

So, what about Bakker’s old fetish with numbers? At what stage in his show, you may be wondering, does he stare deep into the lens of the television camera and implore his new-found flock to send their dollars to Branson? Wouldn’t it be nice to build a Bakker motel adjacent to the café, at least? No, that is not part of the script this time around and if it was, you can be sure that Bakker would be scooped up by federal agents faster than he can say “Praise be to Je-sus!”

But we cannot let him off the hook completely. Someone has to pay for the cost of the show.

Programming is expensive nowadays. So there it is, for those who make it all the way to the end of the Jim Bakker hour – a gentle request to viewers to write a cheque, large or small, to keep the show on the air. And donations, believe it or not, are rolling in.

Don’t Call Me Brother: A Ringmaster’s Escape from the Pentecostal Church

Austin Miles has been a well-known circus ringmaster for most of his adult life. It was, he found, good preparation for his experiences with PTL and the Assemblies of God churches. Miles is the first ordained Assembly of God minister to leave the movement and write an in-depth book revealing the inner workings of this sect. This is not rumor, not innuendo. It is fact, seen first-hand, and fully described for the first time. Don’t Call Me Brother is not a book written by an outside observer – Austin Miles was an active participant in the evolution of the PTL Club.

– Austin Miles was on intimate terms with the entire cast of PTL’s characters and the high-tech world of Christian movers and shakers: Jim Bakker, Tammy Faye Bakker, Pat Robertson, Charles and Frances Hunter, Richard Dortch, John Wesley Fletcher, Christian celebreties such as Pat Boone and Ephram Zimbalist, Jr., and many others.

– Austin Miles opened the door on the steam room where Jim Bakker was cavorting – in the nude – with three other men.

– Austin Miles was there when televangelism hatched its super-successful fund-raising schemes, and he participated in the staged “financial crisis” telethon, during which millions of dollars poured into the coffers of the PTL Club.

– Austin Miles watched the development of Jim Bakker’s violent mood swings and saw the chilling possibility that Jim Bakker could have become another Jim Jones.

– Austin Miles was there when Jim Bakker started a fist fight with his producer over the favors of the current Miss America.

Austin Miles had fame, wealth, and a wonderful family. But by the time he finally broke free of the fanatic world of the religious right, he had lost everything. Don’t Call Me Brother is his story. A poignant, outrageous, sometimes hilarious drama peopled with colorful real-life characters. Building to a climax with a surprise double-twist ending, this story is tough but fair, a must-read for those who want to know what really happens in the world of America’s media-glitzed charismatic religions.

Note As a friend of the author Austin Miles, and having read the book, I have no doubt over the matters he witnessed firsthand. Although I’m an Assemblies of God minister, I recognize that in all human organizations (churches are human organizations) there will be fallible people with poor judgment and liable to temptation. Austin Miles has come back to Christianity, and has repudiated the negative attitude he expresses in his book towards Christianity, although he still maintains what he saw was true. He and I have had many wonderful conversations, and will continue to do so. He is a preacher again, and travels to churches. He has returned to Christian ministry with lessons learned and a new attitude. Rev. Richard F. Lee.

A PBS Television documentary title “Religion and Politics” that first aired in December of 1987 spotlighted Ronald Reagan’s interference in the Justice Department’s attempted initial investigation of Jim Bakker, as well as the investigations of the IRS and FCC. An interesting sidelight to this cover-up concerns George Bush. He made a trip to Charlotte to meet privately with Jim Bakker in a hotel room. He wanted Jim to endorse him for President on the PTL network. Jim asked him if he was a born-again Christian to which Bush replied ‘no’. Jim said that he would only endorse Bush if he openly declared himself a born-again. “Carter did that”, Bush shot back, “and I don’t want to be classified with him.” “Then I can’t endorse you”, Jim answered. That refusal in March of 1985 angered Bush and proved fatal to Jim Bakker. It was George Bush, out of revenge, who instigated the investigation that destroyed Jim Bakker and the PTL Club. It was not as a duty to the American public that this investigation and conviction took place. It was done only for vengeance. This is in keeping with Bush’s CIA background, where he routinely de-stabilized entire countries whose governments disagreed with him. This has been documented to me by a confidential source with a news-wire service and who was very close to that entire affair. (Church & State: A Secret Marriage by Austin Miles).

See that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if they did not escape who refused Him who spoke on earth, much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him who speaks from heaven, whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I shake not only the earth, but also heaven.” Now this, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear. For our God is a consuming fire. Hebrews 12:25-29

Fire can be a very constructive and destructive thing depends on how it’s used. It does purge impurities out of certain things but it also destroys other things leaving nothing behind. Assembly of God preacher and Evangelist Jim Bakker presided as the king over one of the most corrupt television ministries of the past two decades. A successful televangelism group run by Jim and Tammy Bakker is a testimony that Evangelical pastors sold their own souls just to make their wallets thicker, when they were supposed to bring God to the people. As a result Jim Bakker and his sidekick Richard Dortch ended up in prison accused of sexual immorality, tax evasion, and racketeering. The wave of corruption not only affected other televangelists such as Jimmy Swaggart, but also showed a dark, dirty fight for the control of PTL among several other prominent televangelists.

Felon Richard Dortch, senior vice-president of PTL and associate pastor of Heritage Village Church, said pride, arrogance and secrets led to the PTL scandal. While most people never face temptations on the same scale, the ingredients for seemingly smaller failures are the same, he said. Dortch said the men in PTL’s leadership felt they were above accountability. They felt specially called by God and accountable only to Him. He said they didn’t plan the scandal; instead, it was the natural result of living for oneself, rather than for God.

Most people are aware of Jim Bakker’s $265,000 payoff to Jessica Hahn to keep her sexual services to him a secret, his longtime homosexual relationship with his right hand man David Taggart, his prison sentence, his close relationship to Billy Graham, and his lust for public spotlight.

On CNN/Larry King Live, Jan. 30, 2001 from Bonifay, Florida, Jim Bakker, whose ministry crumbled in 1987 when it was discovered that he used church donations to pay his secretary to hide their sexual affair stated “I’m actually making plans to go back on television. I haven’t announced it. It’s not too many weeks away. We may be making our debut.”

The Associated Press reported on December10, 2002 that the cafe where Jim Bakker plans to carry daily broadcasts has opened. Now, the fallen televangelist must persuade TV stations to carry his talk show. Diners at Studio City Cafe will be the studio audience, local and national entertainers will be featured guests and Bakker and his wife, ordained minister Lori Graham Bakker, will be hosts. The show will feature the 20 Christian singers who double as wait staff, cashiers and cooks at the 260-seat cafe operated by the Churchill Coffee Company. “We’re not looking at the big (networks) yet,” said Chris Busch, director of Tulsa, Okla.-based B/M/C Advertising, which is recruiting television stations. “Jim wants steady, controlled, well-managed growth. He’ll be tweaking the show initially. One thing we know for sure is Jim believes in excellence.”

Bakker’s backers, both newfound and those dating to Bakker’s scandal-riddled PTL Ministries in York County, S.C., are financing and encouraging the project. “It’s surreal to me right now. I know there are some people who won’t like me, and I don’t blame them. But since I’ve been in Missouri, not one person has been mean or cruel or said a sarcastic remark to me,” Bakker said.

The minister – he is unaffiliated with any denomination – returned to Christian evangelism upon his release from federal prison in 1995 and began working with a ministry in Los Angeles. He was convicted of mail and wire fraud 13 years ago. In recent years, he has operated from Vernon, Fla., where he founded another independent ministry, New Covenant Fellowship. Bakker said he has been stunned by the outpouring of moral and financial support and volunteer labor he has found in Branson. “I’ve never been welcomed so wonderfully anywhere in my life,” Bakker said. “I’m beyond excited. I’m overwhelmed. People are just doing things. Last week, a man that sells carpeting chased me with his truck, and he told me he had heard me on the radio talking about this. He said, `God told me to do whatever you asked. What can I do for you?'”

As his fellow evangelists seemed to take their turns facing justified criticism, Billy Graham maintained his own integrity and the sincerity of his message. Far from publicly condemning his peers, Billy spoke of them with concern, and even visited Jim Bakker in prison for birds of feather stick together.

It is not known whether the Graham’s, including Billy and Franklin Graham, will be assisting Bakker in with his ventures. Franklin came to prison over and over again to visit Jim Bakker. Franklin Graham said, “Jim Bakker’s my friend”. When Bakker got out of prison the Grahams sponsored him and paid for a house for him to live in and gave him a car to drive.

None of the Graham’s supported or comforted any of the Jim Bakker’s victims! It didn’t matter to the Grahams that -Bakker had 47 bank accounts, 6 luxury homes, $1.9 million dollar salary and Rolls Royce and Mercedez cars.

– Falwell called Bakker a liar, an embezzler and sexual deviate. He fired Bakker’s entire staff when he took over Praise the Lord show. Falwell bankrupted the PTL Club calling Bakker “the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in two thousand years of church history”

But Jim Bakker won’t have to pay $120 million to former followers who bought “partnerships” in his PTL tele-ministry. A jury in North Carolina on July 23, 1996 threw out a class action suit brought on behalf of more than 160,000 onetime believers who paid as much as $7,000 each in the ’80s to join Jim and Tammy Faye in holy larceny.

However the Internal Revenue Service says Bakker and Messner owe personal income taxes from the 1980s when they were building their Praise The Lord empire reported the Charlotte Observer. The IRS assessed the taxes after revoking the PTL ministry’s nonprofit status, said Roe Messner, Tammy Faye’s husband since 1993.

Tammy Faye Messner new husband said Jim Bakker and his former wife didn’t want to talk about the tax issues. “We don’t want to stir the pot,” Messner said. He said the original tax amount was about $500,000. Penalties and interest account for the rest of the bill. The notices reinstating the liens list “James O. and Tamara F. Bakker” as owing $3 million.

On his website, Jim Bakker is still being a parasite, living off money that he steals from others, stating:

Dear Internet Friend,

It’s not an accident that you have come to this page on this website at this critical hour in the life of this ministry!

Lori and I thank you for your meaningful support. Even Moses had the help of faithful loved ones who held up his arms to steady him at a critical hour in his ministry (Exodus 17:12).

We need you today to hold up our arms, to steady us at this exciting hour in the life of this growing and vital outreach. My heart is bonded with you and the Apostle Paul who admonished the Saints of God:

He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.

So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.

– 2 Corinthians 9:6-8, NKJ

I need your help right now! Think it not strange that you are reading these words from my heart at this very moment, “online”! Your obedience to God’s leading will be a needed breakthrough for us right now.

Would you make a pledge to this ministry for $100?

Bakker, who apparently made all of the financial decisions for the PTL and kept two sets of books to conceal the accounting irregularities, took conspicuous consumption to new extremes. PTL once spent over $100,000 for a private jet to fly the Bakker’s clothing across the country. PTL also spent more than $100 on a purchase of cinnamon rolls because Jim and Tammy wanted the smell of them in their hotel room. “They [Bakkers] epitomized the excesses of the nineteen eighties–the greed, the love of glitz, and the shamelessness–which in their case was so pure as to almost amount to a kind of innocence. ”

PTL sold “lifetime memberships” for a $1,000 or more, which entitled buyers to a 3-night stay annually at a luxury hotel in Heritage USA. According to the prosecution at Bakker’s trial, tens of thousands of memberships had been sold, and only one 500-room hotel completed. Bakker had not only sold more “exclusive” partnerships than could be accomodated, but had also raised more than twice the money needed to build the hotel. The Bakker trial revealed that a good deal of the money had gone into operating expenses of Heritage USA, and Bakker kept $3,700,000 for himself. (Frances FitzGerald, “Jim and Tammy,” The New Yorker, April 29, 1990.)

Between 1984 and mid-1987, the Bakkers received annual salaries of $200,000 each and Jim awarded himself over $4 million in bonuses. The Bakkers own, among other things, a $600,000 house in Palm Springs, 4 condos in California, and a Rolls Royce. (“Fresh Out of Miracles,” Newsweek, May 11, 1987 & “TV’s Unholy Row,” Time, Apr 6, 1987.)

The former televangelist preached at Central Assembly of God in Muskegon, Mich., July 30, 2000, Religion News Service reported. It was the first time he had been there in 30 years. “If I’ve ever hurt you, I say please forgive me,” Bakker told the congregation of several hundred people during a two-hour service. “My life was smashed, but Jesus Christ has put me back together again.” Bakker’s grandfather helped start the church in the Depression, and his cousins and their families still attend there.

Jim Bakker nor the Assembly of God with whom he was ordained have never publicly discussed or dealt with the fact that Jim Bakker was Bi-sexual or that his real lover was a man! Although a contrite Jim Bakker returned to his childhood church to ask forgiveness, he never talked about David Taggart his great male lover! Bakker, the founder on the now non existent PTL Club and Village, has downplayed the role of the bisexual evangelist John Wesley Fletcher, who arranged his tryst with Jessica Hahn. He hardly talks about James and David Taggart, the brothers who many claim controlled Bakker in his final PTL years Fletcher was bitter and said Bakker had failed to keep promises and had forsaken him during tough times. Fletcher stated during the “Pearlygate” media storm that he, too, had been sexually involved with bisexual Bakker, reported Christianity Today.

So it was not surprising that Tammy Faye Bakker ( now Messner), who divorced Bakker, would have a prominent role in the gay pride festivities in Washington in June 2002. The former televangelist was to judge a Tammy Faye look-alike contest, appear at a fund-raising dinner and speak from the main stage of the Capital Pride 2002 street festival.

There are those who believe that Tammy Faye is really a drag queen. Once adored by viewers of the electronic church, Messner now appears at gay-pride events nationwide, such as a Tammy Faye look-alike contest held in Washington, D.C., recently where, according to National Public Radio, she was “surrounded by men in falsies and pancake makeup and…impossible to upstage.”

“I’m just trying to give back to them,” she says. “I…tell them there’s a God who loves them and cares for them. I told them there’s a better way out…that nothing can give you peace except Jesus.” Messner does not specifically address the issue of homosexuality being a sin when she talks to groups of gays. “I leave that up to the Holy Spirit because unless He speaks to them, they won’t change anyway,” she said.

But Tammy Faye’s former husband, Assembly of God Evangelist Jim Bakker, the founder on the now non existent PTL Club and Village, has downplayed the role of the bisexual evangelist John Wesley Fletcher, who arranged his tryst with Jessica Hahn. He hardly talks about James and David Taggart, the brothers who many claim controlled Bakker in his final PTL years or that David Taggart was his lover and gave him blow jobs.

Fletcher was bitter and said Bakker had failed to keep promises and had forsaken him during tough times. Fletcher stated during the “Pearlygate” media storm that he, too, had been sexually involved with bisexual Bakker, reported Christianity Today

Bakker, former head of PTL Ministries and Heritage USA, served five years in federal prison on fraud charges. He has spoken about confession of sins, forgiveness, and reconciliation for the last two years in churches around the country, RNS reported. Bakker’s wife, Tammy Faye, divorced him while he was in prison and married his best friend, Roe Messner. Bakker, who remarried about two years ago, is starting a ministry in Florida for children from inner cities.

At times in prison “I felt like God had left me,” Bakker said. “That’s the real problem with prosperity teaching,” a cornerstone in his television days. “If God comes to you when you prosper, do you think he will walk away when you are poor?” he asked. “There’s a lot of false doctrine going around, and I was preaching a lot of it.”

Jim Bakker and clan were also on Larry King Live on May 30, 2000 spewing out their form of Christianity. It was a three ring circus of fools. Bakker’s son said he was ” angry that people do not allow preachers to be human.” Bakker even presented a bible as a gift to Larry King’s wife.

Bakker and Messner said they had made up with each other after the collapse of the ministry and their divorce. “I don’t blame Tammy Faye for going on with her life,” and divorcing him after he was sentenced to 45 years in prison for fraud, Bakker said. Messner said she had forgiven Bakker for having an affair, said he had not deserved to go to prison, and called him “a very good man.”

Bakker was out of prison and sometimes preaches. He said his faith grew during five years in prison, which he calls “the greatest training and seminary and intimate relation with God that I ever could have had.” “I’m just grateful to God that we’re still alive and that Jim’s happy and I’m happy,” Messner said. The Bakkers’ two children, Tammy Sue Chapman and Jay Bakker, also were on the program.

Jim Bakker, former president and founder of PTL, and Richard Dortch, former executive vice president, both served prison terms for fraud convictions that resulted from a failed “Lifetime Partnerships” project for a hotel at Heritage USA. Both men have since returned to active ministry endeavors-Dortch in Tampa, Fla., and Bakker in Los Angeles and Charlotte, N.C.

Bakker, was convicted in 1989 of defrauding 116,000 followers who sent him at least $1,000 each in return for promised lodging at his religious/recreational complex, Heritage USA near Charlotte, N.C. During his trial, prosecutors said the scheme brought about $158 million into the Praise the Lord television ministry that Bakker and his former wife, Tammy Faye, founded in 1972.

Bakker helped dedicate the 10,000-seat Carpenter’s Home Church in Lakeland, Florida in 1985. The Straders went through a major split of Carpenter’s Home Church in 1989 when the Straders refused to relinquish the financial control they had on the ministry, the church and its assets.

After getting out from prison Baker once spoke at Carpenter’s Home church and said Strader’s wife, Joyce, wrote him a letter once a week while he was in prison. I was one of those who helped him build PTL,” said Karl Strader, “and I never did know what he did wrong, frankly. And if he did do something wrong, I forgive him, and I know everybody else here forgives him,” said Strader.

Karl Strader was being generous with Jim Bakker for he too wanted absolution from these sins and crimes and those of his family. His oldest son Daniel, 37, was arrested, tried and sentenced to 45 years in prison in August 1995. He was convicted of 238 felony counts for bilking 57 mostly elderly investors, some members of the church, out of $2.3 million by selling investments in properties that didn’t exist or already had liens against them. Dan’s specialty was to pray with and prey on his victims with the help of his father.

It is to be noted that Richard Dortch, a former Assembly of God district superintendent and vice president of the PTL Club, who paid Jessica Hahn off to buy her silence, led a campaign to raise $52,000 for the defense of Dan Strader but not a penny for any of Dan’s victims. In response to all of this Paul Humphries wrote to the author and stated:

“See, you do expect too much from our preachers and their family. You think a lil’ ole raping and plundering and driving people to murder is wrong. You’ve got to lighten up, the lord allows for preachers to twist and change the commandments or even selectively choose which commandments are apt for that particular time and place.

Since people are people, you can’t expect them to follow all the commandments do you? Since you can’t follow all of them even part of the time, then to hell with all of them, don’t follow any of them……..of course tell the sheep to follow every one of them.”

While Jeffrey K. Hadden, professor of sociology at the University of Virginia at Charlottesville, and Anson Shupe in their book Televangelism: Power & Politics On God’s Frontier wrote:

There were many significant underlying themes to give the PTL scandal a cheap theatrical appeal guaranteed to keep it in the news for months. The 1987 unholy wars of televangelism brought together most of the leading figures in syndicated religious programming. Even Robert Schuller, whose theology is light years and Crystal Cathedral a continent away from the Bakker action, became involved early on when PTL counselor Norman Roy Grutman commented that people who live in glass houses should not cast stones-seemingly implicating Schuller as a culprit in the alleged “hostile takeover.”

The first and grandest theme tying all the other subplots together was the fairy-tale life of the central characters themselves. The main scene for most of the action was a fantasy world called Heritage USA, which Jim and Tammy Faye created from the dimes and dollars of those who sent their savings and Social Security checks. The sad part of the Bakker fairy tale began on March 19 when a tearful Jim told his television audience how a very mean man was about to usurp Jim and Tammy’s kingdom. The ammunition possessed by this mean man (who was shortly to be identified as televangelist Jimmy Swaggart) was information about an itty-bitty affair Jim Bakker had had with a church secretary years before.

A second significant subplot in this unholy religious soap involved evidence of personal misconduct, mismanagement, and pillaging of the PTL treasury. Thus, there were two dimensions to the scandal: the Bakkers’ personal “moral” lives, and their mismanagement and misuse of Heritage USA resources. And just when it seemed that all the sordid details had oozed out, new disclosures and allegations of offenses emerged.

In the beginning, there was only the sexual indiscretion, when Jim Bakker, in a moment of mental exhaustion and loneliness, succumbed to the advances of a young seductress. The way Bakker told the story to Jerry Falwell, he was so ashamed that he became impotent and was unable to consummate the liaison. The hush money he paid to the woman, a church secretary, was for the sake of the PTL ministry, Bakker said.

Within hours, newspaper reporters were in hot pursuit of tips about other alleged incidents of personal misconduct. Lots of people were talking, but nobody wanted to speak on the record.

Then, on the eve of a meeting of the newly constituted PTL board headed by Jerry Falwell at Heritage USA, rumors suggested that Jim and Tammy Faye might return to retake possession of their fiefdom, and this prospect led the Reverend John Ankerberg, host of a debate format TV show broadcast from Chattanooga, Tennessee, to tell what he knew.

Ankerberg used first “The Larry King Show,” then “Nightline,” to talk generally about the sexual escapades, the mismanagement of PTL resources, and the exorbitant salaries and bonuses paid to the Bakkers and their closest cronies. Ankerberg was not explicit, but he told enough to intrigue the media. After six weeks of intensive investigative reporting, the alleged details out-Gantryed Elmer Gantry: infidelity, homosexuality, prostitution, alcoholism, even wife-swapping among top managers at PTL.

While confessing that all have sinned and come short of the glory of the kingdom of God, the Bakkers were not about to answer the litany of allegations. “Ninety-nine percent of what they [the media] have printed or said about Jim and Tammy Bakker bears no truth whatsoever,” Tammy told a gathering of reporters in April outside their Palm Springs retreat.

The Bakkers declined to meet their accusers. Jerry Falwell offered them that opportunity; so did the elders of the Assemblies of God, which conducted their own inquiry. When Bakker declined to appear before his district presbytery to face charges, the Assemblies of God dismissed him for “conduct unbecoming to a minister.”

Reverend G. Raymond Carlson, general superintendent of the church, said the “alleged misconduct involving bisexual activity” weighed heavily in the decision to unfrock Bakker. Carlson noted further that the word alleged was used because Bakker did not wish to defend himself.

For many people, allegations of misappropriating PTL resources for their own personal use and the payment of huge salaries and bonuses were far more serious charges than the allegations of sexual misconduct.

The Bakkers had appointed a rubber-stamp board of directors to oversee their management practices. In return for acquiescing to Jim and Tammy’s whims, several of these board members received tens of thousands of dollars in fees, bonuses, and contributions to their own projects.

In 1986 the Bakkers were paid $1.9 million; since 1984, a total of $4.8 million had been paid to them. In addition, PTL monies were used for expensive homes, a palatial suite at the Heritage Grand Hotel, automobiles, lavish wardrobes, vacations, and parties.

The Bakkers’ closest associates were privy to their high living at the expense of PTL partners. They, too, were well paid. Reverend Richard Dortch, the Assemblies of God minister who many thought had brought some order and organization to the rapidly growing Heritage USA operations, was paid $240,000 in 1985 and $350,000 in 1986. He received approximately $270,000 during the first three months of 1987 before Falwell sacked him. David Taggart, a twenty-nine-year-old “personal aide” to Bakker, received $360,000 in 1986; Jim Bakker’s personal secretary received $160,000.

And then there were “consultants.” James Taggart, interior decorator and David Taggart’s brother, was paid $10,000 a month, but, according to the new PTL management, he had performed no services “for months.”‘ Peter B. Teeley, press secretary to George Bush until 1984, was paid $120,000 for eighteen months to serve as a Washington “liaison”; apparently there were no written records of any services performed.

Assembly of God Evangelist Jimmy Swaggart, had been accused of complicity in the “diabolical plot” to take over the Bakker ministry by Jim Bakker. Swaggart said that he had initiated a church inquiry into Bakker’s personal conduct, but that it was “absurd and ridiculous” to suggest that he wanted to take over PTL.

He also stated ” I’m ashamed, I’m embarrassed. The gospel of Jesus Christ has never sunk to such a level as it has today. We’ve got a dear brother in Tulsa, Oklahoma, perched up in a tower telling people that if they don’t send money that God’s going to kill him, then we got this soap opera being carried out live down in South Carolina all in the name of God. (. Jeffrey A. Frank and Lloyd Grove, “The Raging Battles Of the Evangelicals,” Washington Post, March 25, 1987.)

In an interview on “The Larry King Show,” Swaggart claimed that Bakker’s downfall represented a “very glad day, because this cancer has been excised that I feel has caused the body of Christ untold reproach. ‘ ( Associated Press, “Swaggart Calls Bakker ‘Cancer’ of Christ,” The Daily Progress (Charlottesville, Virginia), March 25, 1987.)

These comments aroused Oral Roberts’s ire, and he blasted Swaggart while defending Bakker. Foolish Oral Roberts forgave and defended Jim Bakker for something that was not forgivable. God does not forgive those who rob, rape and murder in the house of God as Eli and his two sons were not forgiven. Something that is in the very bible that they sometime use and is true.

Oral Roberts forgave his friend, Jim Bakker, for robbing and raping in the house of God. Roberts made large contributions to the Praise the Lord (PTL) ministry of Jim and Tammy Bakker when they fell into hard times during the 1987 scandal. (Sara Diamond, Spiritual Warfare (Boston, MA: South End Press, 1989). Then he wondered why the City of Faith of faith was not finished, the law school was not accredited and ORU incurred a 40 million dollar debt. (Robert’s aides confirmed annual donations of $58 million in 1986, but the Association’s Internal Revenue Service returns show that the organization has been losing money steadily since 1986)

Jim Bakker always felt that people were conspiring against him-especially journalists, politicians and judges. It was reported in Christianity Today in an article by Terry Mattingly’s religion column for 12/04/96.

” After the 1987 collapse of his empire, he said he had been betrayed by other televangelists. “I sorrowfully acknowledge that seven years ago … I was wickedly manipulated by treacherous former friends and colleagues who victimized me with the aid of a female confederate,” he said. “They conspired to betray me into a sexual encounter at a time of great stress in my marital life. … I was set up as part of a scheme to co-opt me and obtain some advantage for themselves over me in connection with their hope for position in the ministry.”

In other words, the first domino at PTL was a scheme that preceded Bakker’s 1980 sexual liaison with Jessica Hahn, a conspiracy within his inner circle that preceded “Pearlygate.” Yet Bakker has nothing new to say about these “friends and colleagues” and their scheme. In particular, he downplays the role of the bisexual evangelist John Wesley Fletcher, who arranged the tryst with Hahn, and he hardly mentions James and David Taggart, the brothers who many claim controlled Bakker in his final PTL years.

In his book, Bakker confesses many sins. He repents of his “health and wealth” theology, saying he sinfully twisted scripture. He offers 647 pages of near-stream-of-consciousness details about lessons he learned during his trial, divorce and prison years. But he continues to avoid some questions.

“For most Pentecostal and charismatic people, the most serious questions about Jim Bakker were all those allegations of moral misconduct. … People haven’t forgotten that,” said historian Vinson Synan of Regent University in Virginia Beach, Va. “There does appear to have been a kind of subterranean, homosexual world inside PTL that has never been fully described. That’s where so many questions remain.”

Mind you Jerry Falwell did conspire against Jim Bakker. By 1987 Jerry Falwell Ministries had reached its peak but Jerry Falwell wanted more. Jim Bakker then owned the largest Christian television network in the world known as the PTL Network, being based in Charlotte, North Carolina. Yet what was called “A Hostile Takeover of the PTL Network” was being formulated.

That year, Jerry Falwell and his then attorney entered the home of PTL founders Jim and Tammy Bakker stating they had evidence of a Hostile Takeover of the PTL Network. The person Falwell accused of planning the Hostile Takeover of the PTL Network was none other than the only man in the world with a larger ministry than Jerry Falwell. Falwell convinced Jim and Tammy Bakker that if they would turn over the PTL Network to him for a time he would protect PTL from the Hostile Takeover.

In Jim Bakker’s book entitled, “I WAS WRONG”, in Chapter 7 … the chapter labeled “THE HOSTILE TAKEOVER”, Bakker stated that “there was indeed a Hostile Takeover being planned for the PTL Network, but it wasn’t being orchestrated in the offices of Jimmy Swaggart in Baton Rouge, Louisanna. Jim Bakker goes on to point out that it was Jerry Falwell who had designs on PTL. Richard Dortch, was Jim Bakker’s right hand man on the PTL Network. Richard Dortch stated on the Late Steve Brown Show that “if Jerry Falwell would just admit that he tried to get the PTL Network … it was a bad choice on my part … please forgive me … it would send out a breath of fresh air in the body of Christ”. Jim Bakker’s wife Tammy, who has now remarried, has stated repeatedly how Falwell’s actions in the PTL situation has caused untold harm to her family. Jim Bakker even went to prison for years. Jimmy Swaggart made an appeal to have Jim Bakker relieved from his prison sentence after receiving a phone call from Jim Bakker’s son, Jamie. {That is in Bakker’s book as well.}

Jim Bakker’s Grahams’ Connection

As his fellow evangelists seemed to take their turns facing justified criticism, Billy Graham maintained his own integrity and the sincerity of his message. Far from publicly condemning his peers, Billy spoke of them with concern, and even visited Jim Bakker in prison. When his Crusades would generate more offerings than he had anticipated, both Billy and Ruth gave their share to needy organizations. As for his own efforts to integrate television into his ministry, Billy hosted a half-hour weekly program in 1951 but discontinued it a few years later because of the immense commitment of time it required. Afterwards he telecast his Crusades but never again tried a weekly program.

(The Grahams are no different from Jim Bakker. They are liars; deceivers and thieves who claim to have integrity but are false. The Grahams are also scoundrels and money lovers who will not reveal their total compensations as chairmen’s of non-profit organization. Of course as parasites they have not worked in the private sector but have lived off the tax-free donations of others. )

On the Graham family Jim Bakker stated – Franklin came to prison over and over again to see me. He wrote me every month. The funny thing is, when he’d come I’d ask him to teach and preach in the chapel. I didn’t want to just have him to myself in the visiting room. And the chaplain always would say to him, “Now don’t give an invitation to accept Christ and don’t admit you know Jim Bakker.” He broke the rules every time, both of them. You know when you’re down in prison and Franklin comes and says, “Jim Bakker’s my friend,” it would just elevate my life for that moment. And then he’d give an invitation to accept Christ, and guys would come to the Lord.

When I was transferred to my last prison, Franklin said he wanted to help me out when I got out-with a job, a house to live in, and a car. It was my fifth Christmas in prison. I thought it over and said, “Franklin, you can’t do this. It will hurt you. The Grahams don’t need my baggage.” He looked at me and he said, “Jim, you were my friend in the past and you are my friend now. If anyone doesn’t like it, I’m looking for a fight.”

So when I got out of prison the Grahams sponsored me and paid for a house for me to live in and gave me a car to drive. The first Sunday out, Ruth Graham called the halfway house I was living in at the Salvation Army and asked permission for me to go to the Montreat Presbyterian Church with her that Sunday morning. When I got there, the pastor welcomed me and sat me with the Graham family. There were like two whole rows of them-I think every Graham aunt and uncle and cousin was there. The organ began playing and the place was full except for a seat next to me. Then the doors opened and in walked Ruth Graham. She walked down that aisle and sat next to inmate 07407-058. I had only been out of prison 48 hours, but she told the world that morning that Jim Bakker was her friend.

Afterwards, she had me up to their cabin for dinner. When she asked me for some addresses, I pulled this envelope out of my pocket to look for them-in prison you’re not allowed to have a wallet, so you just carry an envelope. She asked, “Don’t you have a wallet?” And I said, “Well, yeah, this is my wallet.” After five years of brainwashing in prison you think an envelope is a wallet. She walked into the other room and came back and said, “Here’s one of Billy’s wallets. He doesn’t need it. You can have it.” It reminded me of the time I was in prison when she took all of Billy’s Bibles in his library he wasn’t using and gave them to me to give to other inmates.

On Larry King live in the fall of 1998 Southern Baptist Evangelist Billy Graham was insulted when he was compared with TV Evangelists such as Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker and their sex scandals. Billy Graham said that he did not do those things which Jim Bakker or Jim Swaggart did – a statement that turned out to be a lie! For Ned Graham’s own son turned out to be no different than Jim Bakker.

Even though a President of an Evangelical Ministry must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, and not greedy for money, Ned Graham the son of Billy Graham, Southern Baptist minister, president East Gates International, a group that distributes Bibles in China told Christianity Today in an interview that he had abused alcohol and spent an “inappropriate amount of time” with two women on his staff.

Grace Community Church, Southern Baptist Convention, in Auburn, Washington–which counted Ned Graham, his wife, and their two sons as members established in 1999 the fact that Ned Graham was an adulterer, alcoholic, wife abuser, and drug user and revoked Graham’s ministerial credentials. It directed Graham to stop using the title reverend.

Yet in a style reminiscent of Jimmy Swaggart, who refused to be defrocked by the Assembly of God denomination, Ned Graham left that congregation for another church.

Most of the staff and board members of East Gates International resigned amid controversies. East Gates, in Sumner, Wash., withdrew its membership in the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability after Ned replaced the board members with his sister Ruth Graham McIntyre, brother-in-law Stephan Tchividjian, and business leader Peter Lowe.

Christianity Today founded by Billy Graham did not report on one of its own pastors Ollin Collins of Harvest Baptist Church in Fort Worth, and Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary’s board chairman. A man who resigned amid sexual misconduct allegations when he was accused of having sexual relationships with two women who sought counseling.

But it did report about the adultery of a black man and a National Baptist but not about the adultery of a white man and Southern Baptist. An adultery which was more hideous and gross because Collins raped unsuspecting trusting women, while Lyons adulterous relationships were consensual. It has been said that Lyons will go down in the history books as “Hugh Hefner of the New Testament.” http://headlines.yahoo.com/Full_Coverage/US/Henry_Lyons

Now concerning the fallen hero, the church had suspended Pastor Collins with pay pending an investigation. He resigned from his board position one day after a story in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported the women’s allegations and their intent to sue. Southwestern is the world’s largest evangelical seminary, with 3,000 students on eight campuses.

But of course neither the Seminary nor the Church did nothing for the real female victims but they did help and console the aggressor? Just like Billy Graham stated about Bill Clinton “I forgive him . . . because I know the frailty of human nature, and especially a strong, vigorous young man like he is. “He has such a tremendous personality that I think the ladies just go wild over him.”

While Jeffrey K. Hadden, professor of sociology at the University of Virgina at Charlottesville, and Anson Shupe in their book Televangelism: Power & Politics On God& Ch 1: Getting Saved from the Televangelists wrote:

The first and grandest theme tying all the other subplots together was the fairy-tale life of the central characters themselves. The main scene for most of the action was a fantasy world called Heritage USA, which Jim and Tammy Faye created from the dimes and dollars of those who sent their savings and Social Security checks. The sad part of the Bakker fairy tale began on March 19 when a tearful Jim told his television audience how a very mean man was about to usurp Jim and Tammy’s kingdom.

The ammunition possessed by this mean man (who was shortly to be identified as televangelist Jimmy Swaggart) was information about an itty-bitty affair Jim Bakker had had with a church secretary years before. Details of the takeover plot unfolded gradually; Swaggart was about to blow the whistle on Bakker to the church elders of the Assemblies of God Church.

This would lead to an investigation that would result in Bakker’s being stripped of his ordination. The shame brought by all of this was not deserved, of course (God and Tammy had both forgiven Jim years before). A little-known clause in the Heritage USA charter bequeaths the entire kingdom to the Assemblies of God in the event that Jim and Tammy are not able to reign. Swaggart, being the most powerful preacher in the Assemblies of God alliance, thus would be the one to move in and take over.

A white knight named Jerry Falwell agreed to take the kingdom into custody to protect it from Swaggart’s evil intentions. Two months later, when Bakker advised Falwell that he was ready to return home, Jerry replied, “Not now nor ever.” Jim and Tammy brushed back the tears and told “Nightline’s” Ted Koppel and 23 million Americans- who had stayed up late to see this dramatic episode-how they had been tricked by Falwell.

Bakker now claimed that Falwell, the man from Liberty Mountain, had become a thief in the night rather than a white knight. It was Falwell all along, they said, not the honky-tonk preacher from the Louisiana bayou, Jimmy Swaggart, who was the real villain. Falwell, with his slick-talking New York lawyer, had tricked Jim and Tammy Faye into believing that the only way they could save their kingdom was to relinquish it to Jerry-temporarily.

Exhausted and bewildered, Jim and Tammy Bakker had tearfully given up their magic kingdom with its Rolls-Royces and furs and goldfixtured dressing rooms and presidential suite and credit cards and daily starring roles in their own “Wheel of Fortune.”

Ted Koppel had warned Jim and Tammy at the beginning of the “Nightline” program “not to wrap themselves in the Bible.” By the end of the program, it was Koppel who had been wrapped in the mesmerizing melodramatic tragicomic fantasy the couple had spun.

Playing to Koppel and the huge television audience with words that sounded ever so sweet and loving, Jim Bakker now declared war against Falwell. They just wanted to come home to Heritage USA, but if Jerry Falwell wouldn’t let them, they might start a new Shangri-La in the California desert near their Palm Springs hideaway.

Koppel advised them that this might be difficult in light of reports from Heritage USA that the mail was running overwhelmingly in support of Falwell’s measures to save the spiritual Disneyland. “If the people don’t want us back, if they want Jerry Falwell, then they should support Jerry Falwell,” said an emotional Bakker. “. . . But if they don’t, they should support Jim and Tammy Bakker.”l3 The Bakkers seemed genuinely unable to grasp the reality of the tragedy that had befallen them, to say nothing of its impact on others.

A second significant subplot in this unholy religious soap involved evidence of personal misconduct, mismanagement, and pillaging of the PTL treasury. Thus, there were two dimensions to the scandal: the Bakkers’ personal “moral” lives, and their mismanagement and misuse of Heritage USA resources. And just when it seemed that all the sordid details had oozed out, new disclosures and allegations of offenses emerged.

In the beginning, there was only the sexual indiscretion, when Jim Bakker, in a moment of mental exhaustion and loneliness, succumbed to the advances of a young seductress. The way Bakker told the story to Jerry Falwell, he was so ashamed that he became impotent and was unable to consummate the liaison. The hush money he paid to the woman, a church secretary, was for the sake of the PTL ministry, Bakker said.

Within hours, newspaper reporters were in hot pursuit of tips about other alleged incidents of personal misconduct. Lots of people were talking, but nobody wanted to speak on the record.

Then, on the eve of a meeting of the newly constituted PTL board headed by Jerry Falwell at Heritage USA, rumors suggested that Jim and Tammy Faye might return to retake possession of their fiefdom, and this prospect led the Reverend John Ankerberg, host of a debate format TV show broadcast from Chattanooga, Tennessee, to tell what he knew.

Ankerberg used first “The Larry King Show,” then “Nightline,” to talk generally about the sexual escapades, the mismanagement of PTL resources, and the exorbitant salaries and bonuses paid to the Bakkers and their closest cronies. Ankerberg was not explicit, but he told enough to intrigue the media. After six weeks of intensive investigative reporting, the alleged details out-Gantryed Elmer Gantry: infidelity, homosexuality, prostitution, alcoholism, even wife-swapping among top managers at PTL.

While confessing that all have sinned and come short of the glory of the kingdom of God, the Bakkers were not about to answer the litany of allegations. “Ninety-nine percent of what they [the media] have printed or said about Jim and Tammy Bakker bears no truth whatsoever,” Tammy told a gathering of reporters in April outside their Palm Springs retreat.

The Bakkers declined to meet their accusers. Jerry Falwell offered them that opportunity; so did the elders of the Assemblies of God, which conducted their own inquiry. When Bakker declined to appear before his district presbytery to face charges, the Assemblies of God dismissed him for “conduct unbecoming to a minister.” Reverend G. Raymond Carlson, general superintendent of the church, said the “alleged misconduct involving bisexual activity” weighed heavily in the decision to unfrock Bakker. 15 Carlson noted further that the word alleged was used because Bakker did not wish to defend himself.

For many people, allegations of misappropriating PTL resources for their own personal use and the payment of huge salaries and bonuses were far more serious charges than the allegations of sexual misconduct.

The Bakkers had appointed a rubber-stamp board of directors to oversee their management practices. In return for acquiescing to Jim and Tammy’s whims, several of these board members received tens of thousands of dollars in fees, bonuses, and contributions to their own projects.

In 1986 the Bakkers were paid $1.9 million; since 1984, a total of $4.8 million had been paid to them. In addition, PTL monies were used for expensive homes, a palatial suite at the Heritage Grand Hotel, automobiles, lavish wardrobes, vacations, and parties.

The Bakkers’ closest associates were privy to their high living at the expense of PTL partners. They, too, were well paid. Reverend Richard Dortch, the Assemblies of God minister who many thought had brought some order and organization to the rapidly growing Heritage USA operations, was paid $240,000 in 1985 and $350,000 in 1986. He received approximately $270,000 during the first three months of 1987 before Falwell sacked him. David Taggart, a twenty-nine-year-old “personal aide” to Bakker, received $360,000 in 1986; Jim Bakker’s personal secretary received $160,000.

And then there were “consultants.” James Taggart, interior decorator and David Taggart’s brother, was paid $10,000 a month, but, according to the new PTL management, he had performed no services “for months.”‘ Peter B. Teeley, press secretary to George Bush until 1984, was paid $120,000 for eighteen months to serve as a Washington “liaison”; apparently there were no written records of any services performed.

When the Bakkers departed, the financial records of the organization were in shambles-as they probably had been for years. No fewer than forty-seven separate checking accounts were found in the first days of the Falwell takeover. “The books are a mess,” proclaimed Harry Hargrave, the Dallas-based consultant Falwell hired to become PTL’s new chief executive officer.

Noted Jerry Nims (Falwell’s CEO for the “Old Time Gospel Hour” in Lynchburg), who came in to help dig out, “This was a business organization that was totally out of control. 20 Added Nims, “For these folks, there were no rules. You’re not talking about people nudging over the line. There was absolutely no line…. It was fiscal sin.”

Early on, it appeared that $92 million was missing. As the financial records of Heritage USA were consolidated and audited, much of this money was accounted for, but then evidence of unpaid bills began to grow. By early June, outstanding debts were estimated at $70 million owed to 1,400 creditors, and $23 million of this debt was delinquent.

Independent of the struggle between Jim Bakker and Jerry Falwell was the unsightly scene of other members of the Protestant cloth taking sides and launching verbal missiles at one another. In addition to the principals of the electronic church, there emerged a large cast of walkon characters seeking a moment of glory in front of the camera.

1COR 10:6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.

COPIED FROM http://www.christiannews.0catch.com/bakker.htm

Tammy Faye Messner Dies at 65 Unhealed

AP – Sat, 21 Jul 2007

By STEVE HARTSOE

Tammy Faye Messner, who as Tammy Faye Bakker helped her husband, Jim, build a multimillion-dollar evangelism empire and then watched it collapse in disgrace, has died. She was 65.

Messner had battled colon cancer since 1996 that more recently spread to her lungs. She died peacefully Friday at her home near Kansas City, Mo., said Joe Spotts, her manager and booking agent.

A family service was held Saturday in a private cemetery, where her ashes were interred, he said.

She had frequently spoken about her medical problems, saying she hoped to be an inspiration to others. “Don’t let fear rule your life,” she said. “Live one day at a time, and never be afraid.” But she told well-wishers in a note on her Web site in May that the doctors had stopped trying to treat the cancer.

In an interview with CNN’s Larry King two months later, an emaciated Messner — still using her trademark makeup — said, “I believe when I leave this earth, because I love the Lord, I’m going straight to heaven.” Asked if she had any regrets, Messner said: “I don’t think about it, Larry, because it’s a waste of good brain space.”

For many, the TV image of then-Mrs. Bakker forgiving husband Jim’s infidelities, tears streaking her cheeks with mascara, became a symbol for the wages of greed and hypocrisy in 1980s America.

She divorced her husband of 30 years, with whom she had two children, in 1992 while he was in prison for defrauding millions from followers of their PTL television ministries. The letters stood for “Praise the Lord” or “People that Love.”

Jim Bakker said in a statement that his ex-wife “lived her life like the song she sang, ‘If Life Hands You a Lemon, Make Lemonade.'”

“She is now in Heaven with her mother and grandmother and Jesus Christ, the one who she loves and has served from childbirth,” he said. “That is the comfort I can give to all who loved her.”

Messner’s second husband also served time in prison. She married Roe Messner, who had been the chief builder of the Bakkers’ Heritage USA Christian theme park near Fort Mill, S.C., in 1993. In 1995, he was convicted of bankruptcy fraud, and he spent about two years in prison.

Through it all, Messner kept plugging her faith and herself. She did concerts, a short-lived secular TV talk show and an inspirational videotape. In 2004, she cooperated in the making of a documentary about her struggle with cancer, called “Tammy Faye: Death Defying.”

“I wanted to help people … maybe show the inside (of the experience) and make it a little less frightening,” she said.

More recently, Tammy Faye kept in the public eye via her Web site.

“I cry out to the Lord knowing that many of you are praying for me,” Messner wrote in a July 16 post in which she indicated she weighed 65 pounds. “In spite of it all, I get dressed and go out to eat. … I crave hamburgers and french fries with LOTS of ketchup! When I can eat that again, it will be a day of victory!”

In 2004, she appeared on the WB reality show “The Surreal Life,” co-starring with rapper Vanilla Ice, ex-porn star Ron Jeremy and others. She told King in 2004 that she didn’t know who Jeremy was when they met and they became friends.

Messner was never charged with a crime in connection with the Bakker scandal. She said she counted the costs in other ways.

“I know what it’s like to hit rock bottom,” she said in promotional material for her 1996 video “You Can Make It.”

In the mid-1980s, the Bakkers were on top, ruling over a ministry that claimed 500,000 followers. Their “Jim and Tammy Show,” part TV talk show, part evangelism meeting, was seen across the country. Heritage USA boasted a 500-room hotel, shopping mall, convention center, water-amusement park, TV studio and several real-estate developments. PTL employed about 2,000 people.

Then in March 1987, Bakker resigned, admitting he had a tryst with Jessica Hahn, a 32-year-old former church secretary.

Tammy Faye Bakker stuck with her disgraced husband through five stormy years of tabloid headlines as the ministry unraveled.

Prosecutors said the PTL organization sold more than 150,000 “lifetime partnerships” promising lodging at the theme park but did not build enough hotel space with the $158 million in proceeds. At his fraud trial, Jim Bakker was accused of diverting $3.7 million to personal use even though he knew the ministry was financially shaky. Trial testimony showed PTL paid $265,000 to Hahn to cover up the sexual encounter with the minister.

Jim Bakker was convicted in 1989 of 24 fraud and conspiracy counts and sentenced to 45 years. The sentence was later reduced, and he was freed in 1994. He said that his wife’s decision to leave him had been “like a meat hook deep in my heart. I couldn’t eat for days.”

While not charged, his then-wife shared during the 1980s in the public criticism and ridicule over the couple’s extravagance, including the reportedly gold-plated bathroom fixtures and an air-conditioned doghouse.

There was even a popular T-shirt satirizing her image. The shirt read, “I ran into Tammy Faye at the shopping mall,” with the lettering on top of what look like clots of mascara, traces of lipstick and smudges of peach-toned makeup.

In a 1992 letter to her New Covenant Church in Orlando, Fla., she explained why she finally was seeking a divorce.

“For years I have been pretending that everything is all right, when in fact I hurt all the time,” she wrote.

“I cannot pretend anymore.”

In the end, there wasn’t any property to divide, her attorney said. The Bakkers lost their luxury homes in North Carolina, California and Tennessee, their fleet of Cadillacs and Mercedeses, and their vintage Rolls-Royce.

Her autobiography, “I Gotta Be Me,” recounts a childhood as Tammy Faye LaValley, one of eight children of a poor family in International Falls, Minn. Her biological father walked out. She was reticent about her age, but a 2000 profile of her in the Star Tribune of Minneapolis said she was born in March 1942.

She recalled trying eye makeup for the first time, then wiping it off for fear it was the devil’s work. Then she thought again.

“Why can’t I do this?” she asked. “If it makes me look prettier, why can’t I do this?”

She married Bakker in 1961, after they met at North Central Bible College in Minneapolis. Beginning with a children’s puppet act, they created a religious show that brought a fundamentalist Protestant message to millions.

A secular TV talk program, the “Jim J. and Tammy Faye Show” with co-host Jim J. Bullock, lasted just six weeks in early 1996. Shortly after it went off the air, she underwent surgery for colon cancer.

She said afterward that she endured bleeding for a year because she was embarrassed to go to a male doctor. And she wore her makeup even in surgery.

“They didn’t make me take it off,” she said. “I had wonderful doctors and understanding nurses. I went in fully made up and came out fully made up.”

Survivors include her husband and her two children, Jamie Charles Bakker of New York City and Tammy Sue Chapman of Charlotte.

Spotts said that the family is considering a public memorial service for the coming weeks, but that nothing had been finalized Saturday.

Messner divorced televangelist Jim Bakker in 1992, while he was serving a sentence for financial fraud. The couple had founded a Christian retreat in Fort Mill, S.C., and built a multimillion-dollar evangelism empire.

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Ezek 13:1  And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2  Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; 3  Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 4  O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. 5  Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. 6  They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. 7  Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken? 8  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. :9  And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. 10  Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered mortar: 11  Say unto them which daub it with untempered mortar, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12  Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? 13  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. :14  So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered mortar, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 15  Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered mortar, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; 16  To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD. 17  Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them, 18  And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? 19  And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies? 20  Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. 21  Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 22  Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: :23  Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 2 KJV)  Examine me, O LORD, and prove me; try my reins and my heart.
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(2 Cor 13:5 KJV)  Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
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(John 8:29 KJV)  And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
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(Rom 8:8 KJV)  So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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(Rom 15:1 KJV)  We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
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(Rom 15:2 KJV)  Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
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(Gal 1:10 KJV)  For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
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(1 Th 2:15 KJV)  Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
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(1 Th 4:1 KJV)  Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
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(2 Tim 2:4 KJV)  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
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(Heb 11:6 KJV)  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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One can often now see all types of posts on the Christian nets and also now written for all kinds of reasons, and some are written under the direct leading of the holy spirit, some are written to promote self, some are written out of guilt of not having served God adequately, some are written out a false ambition to promote oneself, etc. Now ambition is a great thing if our ambition is centered to worship, glory God to uplift the name of Jesus Christ,, but Satan, the devil, Lucifer and even the apostle Judas too  got carried away with his ambitions that it was sinful… but  all ambition is not God ordained or God approved just as not all of the pastors, prophets, evangelists, apostles, have been really called by God into the ministry, thus so they are false ones too, imposters, pretenders.
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(1 Cor 11:28 KJV) But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
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(2 Sam 1:25 KJV)  How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle!
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(Psa 36:12 KJV)  There are the workers of iniquity fallen: they are cast down, and shall not be able to rise.
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(Lam 5:16 KJV)  The crown is fallen from our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned!
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(Ezek 13:12 KJV)  Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?
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((Hosea 7:7 KJV)  They are all hot as an oven, and have devoured their judges; all their kings are fallen: there is none among them that calleth unto me.
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(Hosea 14:1 KJV)  O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.
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Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.   (Gen 3:1 KJV) Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? …  1 Tim 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.   Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.   2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;  
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Beware, remember that each one of us alone we all are always still personaly respsonsible for each and every one of our own actions, decisions.. Sadly in real life the devil often still comes to us giving us personaly with supposedly helpful advice, or he often sends someone else, to encourage each one of us to listen to bad advice, and to end up doing the wrong thing.. next with severe negative consequences.. the devil really wants to enslave us to sin, to others, to cause us to turn away from God.. if we give up our will and minds to others we will next personally go insane too..
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  Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.   John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
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John 14:27  Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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What ever you do do all to the glory of God, and do not do anything by yourself, but always  ask God as to what you needto do first.. otherwise what you do is still sin. True joy is not even found in a having a big house, or in a good job, having plenty of money or in marriage still, but your real joy, life  lies in  how real, effective your ongoing personal relationship is with Jesus Christ. …
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(Acts 2:2 KJV) And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.  
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God showed and give  us His precious Holy Spirit, He wants us to experience His fullness, He doesn’t want us to be a luke warm Church anymore. He has called me to tell you about His Spirit because many of you do not have the fullness of the Spirit and He wants you to have it. You must have it to experience Gods fullness for your life.
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  (Eph 5:18 KJV) And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
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When God talks about spiritual maturity now too he is not talking about any  old age retirement and going to his Church is not merely giving $20 every Sunday morning, and pretending to listen to the sermon, and then living your own life the rest of the week.. still not helping, or caring about the sick, hurting, afflicted persons home even in the local church.. not this is certainly not Christianity but rather this is the real Church is personaly being spirt filled and being a continual real part of Jesus Christ now body, his hands, his feet, his mouth the whole week too.
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(Psa 46:1 NIV)  God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble. (Psa 46:2 NIV) Therefore we will not fear, though the earth give way and the mountains fall into the heart of the sea, (Psa 46:3 NIV) though its waters roar and foam and the mountains quake with their surging. Selah (Psa 46:4 NIV) There is a river whose streams make glad the city of God, the holy place where the Most High dwells. (Psa 46:5 NIV) God is within her, she will not fall; God will help her at break of day.
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1 Cor 4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

Rom 14:23 : for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

1 Cor 8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

Rom 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. 2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. 3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. 5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

I too cannot but help but notice some very cold posts , those not written by the Holy Spirit. because they still do have a very cold presentation

 

We all do need to continually, firstly evaluate our own actions, motives.. For example a professing Businessman, self proclaimed evangelist who had just left a Christian Bookstore was hurriedly going down the street forcing Christian tracts upon others, as he approached me, I clearly told him he need to have love first for others.. next I told him he was preaching our of guilt and not compassion.. I asked him if some tragedy had recently occurred now as well in his own life? He replied that he got an unexpected very large request for taxation payment form the government that he was unable to pay. So I told him he falsely was trying to gain now God’s favour by bulling others and was not realy being led by God in his evangelistic tract distribution for if I “have not charity, it profiteth me nothing”

 

1 Cor 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way. 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, :5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. :8 Charity never faileth:

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1 Tim 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Only 1/12 of the original Apostles was bad. .The Apostles went from town to town and house to house casting out demons and collecting the ministry funds.,, only Judas was stealing it next.. the rest served God fully..It is also a small group of bad TV evangelist, bad pastors who give Christianity today a bad name today as well.. because many professing Christians falsely do nothing about it.. the ends do not justify the means…

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and the religious critics themselves now seem to be often as bad as Judas too so no one heeds to them too.. I too do rightfuly want to see love, truth personaly practised over merely preaching it to others, preaching the Gospel, the supposed truths is not an acceptable alternative firstly to living the holy Spiirt filled life for anyones too.

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2 Pet 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

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Mat 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! 8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9 And if thine eye offend

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Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

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(Gal 5:19 KJV) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law 24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

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GALATIANS 6:7,8 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

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I have FOR DECADES NOW met good functioning elders, PASTORS and bad ones as well..

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According to my reading of the scriptures the term Pastor is always plural, not singular, meaning there are now to be many pastors in any local church, and pastors also equally, mutually thus they do have to submit to the other also called, gifted elders, who are the apostles- missionaries and prophets- all appointed by God as his spokesman

– the NT Greek verb is continually present- meaning God now continues to give these men ( or women – such as Junia note worthy amongst the apostles) unto the church now as well , but today most evangelical pastors tend to deny the existence of these other God ordained, given offces even today, Bas pastors do this even firstly because they themselves are rebels, those persons who wrongfully refuse to submit to any other’s and always submission is mutal- meaning reciprocal.. and also do note this it is still voluntarily, unenforceable.. Dictatorial pastors, control freak pastors tend to be ungodly persons still and we do not have to follow after them at all. Yes they still exist too often in too many local churches.

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The Bible itself now is full of the positive and negative realties, warnings, for all persons now too. so is the news media.. as to the myth that posting any negative truths here now about God punishment of the wicked, or sinful Christians, clearly the devil has already posted, informed people of this elsewhere, and some merely are deceiving themselves that hiding such items works.

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Well as even detailed on my own sites now I have personally and rightfully asked now many bad Pastor in churches to repent, only 1/9 did sadly and so next i helped some of the unrepentant ones, founding pastors too, to get a job elsewhere. one out of the Church.. and so should we all.. God himself does not show partiality and is no respecter of persons. Judgment begins in the house of God. Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

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(Mat 4:17 KJV)  From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(Mark 1:15 KJV)  And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

(Mark 6:12 KJV)  And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

(Luke 13:3 KJV)  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

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2 Cor 13:5  Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

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I too often do see , read many Christians falsely telling the unbelivers as  how they personally should behave, but  that solely is God’s role, job to judge all those outside of the church we only have a right soley to judge professing Christian believers acts..

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Mat 7:1  Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. :3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? :5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.   1 Cor 5:9  I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10  Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

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Now also we are not to judge what is right for any Christian believer to eat..

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  Rom 14:1  Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2  For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3  Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4  Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5  One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7  For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8  For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s. 9  For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10  But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11  For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12  So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13  Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. 14  I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15  But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. :16  Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17  For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

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God’s love has many faces… Judg 17:6 but every man did that which was right in his own eyes. Psa 36:2 For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. 3 The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good. 4 He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil. Prov 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. Prov 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise. Prov 16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits. Prov 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts. Prov 21:4 An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin. Prov 21:6 The getting of treasures by a lying tongue is a vanity tossed to and fro of them that seek death. :7 The robbery of the wicked shall destroy them; because they refuse to do judgment. Prov 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness. 13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up. 14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men. Isa 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Psa 68:6 God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land.

God as a father loves us but he also does now punishes us when we refuse to rpent of our wirngs and wilfully continue in them, all for our good.. most rebellious persons cannot see that they are even being punished.. (Prov 27:5 KJV) Open rebuke is better than secret love. (Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.   Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. 12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; 13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; 16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. (2 Tim 2:9 KJV) Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.   James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. 26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.  .

It is not what we want do do, what we think we need to do it but only What God wants us to do that counts, for the NT God says he wants us Eph 5:18 but be filled with the Spirit; Eph 3:19 to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 2 Tim 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Also  here is a valid  Bible study you should do.. some perverse persons , bad pastors, dicators rather, a one man ministry it seems, try to  tell me i should obey them.. well all submission firstly is mutual and voluntary.. but why do they even want to be a king over us, a slave driver when Jesus christ is the head of the church, our king? because they want to fill their God vacum with a power trip? (Mat 6:33 KJV)  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.  (John 21:16 KJV)  He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
Jesus said to Peter too if you love me feed my sheep and God also had said should not the shepherds feed the sheep , not just feed themselves..  (Ezek 34:2 KJV)  Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?3  Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.  4  The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.  5  And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered. 6  My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.  7  Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; 8  As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; 9  Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; 10  Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. 11  For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. 12  As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. 13  And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14  I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. 15  I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. 16  I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment. 17  And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.  18  Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? 19  And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet. 20  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. 21  Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; 22  Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. 23  And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.  24  And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. 25  And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. 26  And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27  And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them. 28  And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid. 29  And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more. 30  Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD. 31  And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD. I often wonder as to why so many of  the shepherds are so proud and arrogant, about their supposedly high positions, for to be a shepherd generally does not take much education, it takes loving the sheep and is still mostly on the job training too by listening to the Master’s voice, Jesus Christ,

http://pbulow.tripod.com/shepherd.html

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Mutual, reversible accountability and mutual submission is an integral part of the New Testament church structure rather still and of all true churches today as well but not in reality and whay is that?

..(Eph 4:11 KJV)  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;  note the fact the office pastor is never a single reference too.. it is plural.. the local churche should have many many pastors..

It sadly seems that even in the Church today something have wrongfully not changed.. the pastors, elders, deacons are fighting for positions, recognition, and seem to have forgotten the flock..Let us all stop here and remember that anyone following the right Church structure and themselves not being Baptized and led now by the Holy Spirit is still a real waste of time. And without the real application of love any Church forrm, approach will still fail too.  New Testament scripture clearly still does not support a pyramidal one directional hierarchical structure of government in God’s Church. EPHESIANS 2:20 still does reminds us that the church of today as well is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone”. Sadly in the too often now man led, man organized, rather false hierarchical pyramidal church structure of many major denominations now too, such as the Christian Missionary Alliance and the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, the North American Baptist Church, and many others denominations too  and this preaching would never be allowed. If a person came into In a hierarchical church structure and he began preaching locally, even if he said God told him to do it, he  likely would not be allowed, and the person would be opposed, disfellowshipped . After all to some power is more importantce than the truth. Remember, when God spoke to Israel, a carnal people, they did not want God to speak directly with them. They asked that only  Moses to be a mediator. This is what the some bad churches are  now basically like. 1 Samuel 8 in the account of Israel asking Samuel for a human king. God’s response to their request was “Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them”(1 Samuel 8:7).  Such Dictatorial Pyramids Church structures are basically still pagan structures built by civilizations who neither knew nor worshipped the true God.. In the Church. Jesus Christ (God) is the living head of the Church. He expects us to look to him and to him alone and to follow Him. We are not to follow men. Since we have God’s Holy Spirit, we should not fall after the same example of disobedience that we read about in 1 Samuel 8 by asking God to give us a man to lead us. We should be content to follow God through his spirit.  In fact, we are warned not to follow men in Jeremiah 17:5. Here the Eternal says, “Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.” God does not require his children to have to trust men and what they tell us. That’s why he has given each one of us access to His Word. We have direct access to God. The scripture also says no man can serve two masters. Paul said, there is One Lord (Eph 4:5). Yet, in hierarchical systems, those on lower levels have more than one Lord, for they must answer to those who are above them in rank. Each rank exercises lordship over those under them. To operate successfully in such structures, each person learns to please the man above him in rank. But Paul said, “do I seek to please men? For if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ” (Galatians 1:10). You can’t be a servant of Christ and at the same time be required to follow the dictates of men. There is only one true head that we need to submit to and that head is Christ.  God “hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all” (Eph. 1:22-23). The Father “hath committed all judgment unto the Son: … And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man” (John 5:22-27). We don’t have to answer to men. We are not accountable to the dictates of men. For this reason Paul says, “… why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ” (Romans 14:10). The New Testament Church is a spirit-led church. It is not a human organization. It is a spiritual organism where the living head is Jesus Christ himself. Jesus said, “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:5). God uses the vine to typify organization of the Church. In God’s model, every member is a branch. Every member in the true church is connected directly to Christ with no intermediaries. By using the vine, Jesus showed us that God’s government does not take the form of a pyramid. He did not give us the idea that members are connected to him through a descending chain of command. The structure of the church is not a tree structure. It is a vine structure. Also do note that in Acts 2, where we read about the birth of the New Testament Church through the outpouring of God’s Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit was given directly by God to every single member present initially but next it was done by the laying on by the  hands of the elders on every single person?  http://pbulow.tripod.com/struct.html

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