I also do like to be open, broad minded, knowledgeable, opinionated, resourceful, factual, sharing as well and when I know of a definite valuable truth I do often post it for all to read too. But that does not mean I now, next will go along with anyone, especially the bad persons and where ever they are..
Amazing how I tend to post the same response to the same related subjects on various sites I tend to visit , one site accepts the message and me, but clearly the other one hates me and the message.. the response to me shows a lot about the responder. for just one example- see https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/thedeezone-175228/
and some of the inacceptable responding bullies, bashers who try their false personal attacks on me now cause I had stepped on their toes, firstly they do not even know me well enough to make any kind of personal judgmental bashings upon me never mind doing it now even in public too, and slander is what it is..
Secondly it is amazing how many so called Christian Internet Discussions sites are still control freaks, ostriches with hidden agendas and they do not post the Responses that show them truly in an unfavorable light..
so I merely post my posts even here anyway..
Hey if you read my many non conforming posts you will note that I definitely, and loudly, rightfully still do not conform to the false or immoral demands of others..
(Rom 8:29 KJV) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
(Rom 12:2 KJV) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God..
Now I am retired, I live in Montreal, Quebec, Canada and I have a civil engineering degree, Concordia University , Montreal 1968, and I had worked as a Remax Realtor in Calgary too but in my decades of real life experiences in Canada the still too often unenforced existing laws, regulating societies, governments clearly did not stop too many bad Realtors, Lawyers, Pastors or even the cops now, Corporations too, Bell Sympatico from cheating, stealing, lying to the customers, others. It does not mean that have to accept it still too. I have also pastored for a few years agreat home church where I did home and hospital visitations too
I have also often said, asked that they should in fairness not discriminate and investigate all the pastors, evangelists, preachers and annual now fairly in all of the denominations not just a few Pentecostal ones even for possible tax evasions, abuse of donated funds, lies, slander.. but it never will happen sadly.. too many politicians who are likely just as bad will likely suppress it too.
I also have no hidden agendas, I am not trying to get you to buy anything, I offer everything free, absolutely no money is asked for. There also is no church to join now as well, I merely try to tell the whole honest truth, positive and negative ones, even about politics, religion or what ever.
Freedom of speech is a right to be used wisely. so please do so
I was really now fortunate I had great teachers here in Canada, in my public school, in high School and in University in Montreal Quebec, and all of them now had treated me as a real person, respected me, and had allowed me to speak and also to be heard as well.
Not one of them no one told me what I can talk about write about or what I cannot write about, talk about as well. At work as a Professional Engineer, or as a Professional Realtor with Re/Max I was allowed continually to be a responsible, mature adult, allowed to make my own decisions, and to also carry out my responsibilities in the manner that I chose to do them as well.
So I have to admit it came to me as a shock firstly when I started to attend Evangelical, Baptist, Pentecostal churches in Canada now as an adult that that same right was often not there – the rigths to be respected, to speak, and to be heard, and not to be bullied, or falsely oppressed.
The Legal and Human rights that I had before, often now did not exist in the churches surprisingly now of all places. I never saw so many control freaks, human rights abusers in my whole life , all next to the too often bad cops now too.
And perversely many a despotic, crooked elder, pastor, bad cop, others had now wrongfully tried to shut me up, and even next had resorted next to slander me, to try to discredit me and what I had said, or whatever, now even both in the provinces of Quebec and in Alberta.
But like I have often said elsewhere the Evangelical church was not the only place where they tried to deny me my right to speak and to be heard now, for too often too and unacceptable the Alberta bullies, rednecks now on the net had wrongfully tried often and falsely to suppress my right of free speech, but next so did not too many a Politician, particularly, ironically again both the professing Christian ones, and the definitely alcoholic ones now too.. what they were falsely deluded that only politicians had the right of free speech and the right to be heard it seems too .
Next too many bad police officers as well did not like me openly, publically complaining about the too often bad cops, bad RCMP had encountered in Alberta, Quebec, and not just the too many bad pastors, elders too, and in other provinces as well.. and what these bad cops, bad watchdogs, forget they are here to serve the good welfare of the citizens? for they are not our despotic slave drivers.. nor are their bosses for that matter now too. http://stayinhealth.wordpress.com/
Now what bothered them all now so much that they had tried to shut me up? my transparency, honesty, or it seems the mere exercise of case of my rights . For in reality it seems at least 10 percent of the persons even on the net seem to be control freaks, bullies, human rights abusers.
I often read complaints on the net from some child complaining that that one of their parents is verbally abusing them, or even a spouse complain that their spouse is abusing them. I have heard people tell me how pastors had abused them as well. Children and spouses sometimes are forced to put up with it?? But not me, for I am not a child, rather a matured adult, a retired senior in fact. And I can clearly, rightfully speak for myself and talk on any topic now as I so desire as well as we all can readily see and I do so now too. And for the good of us all now too. https://postedat.wordpress.com/
For a lot of people their too often false version of mere Christianity seems to consists of Having a blog with the word Christian and their name on it, or going to church 3 times a years and for others it is going Sunday morning.. but not to any of the prayer meetings, or the Sunday night services.. and that is all it is it seems.. then others seem to wonder why these people have gone astray are so much in error now too.
But my own version of Christianity is significantly deeper, and broader as well.
Firstly I accepted the personally need to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and personal savior from all of our sins as well but I also believe in the need of Sanctification, the Baptism of the Holy spirit ,where one next is equipped for God’s service, God will and plan for their life, including the charismatic’s gifts now too.
I also do believe in the need of all Christians to have daily devotionals, Bible and prayer time with God preferably both morning and evenings, starting and ending the day with God, and where God can personally speak to us, teach, direct us some more. Just as I believe in daily repentances, confesions to God the admission of our sins now too
I believe when the Bible says the just shall live by faith now that includes each and every person, they are to trust God to supply their needs, wants, desires, to live their life based on God words, his instructions to them, not based on falsely following after other men or women, or one’ supposed personal inclination, supposed talents. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com
I rightfully believe the same equal rights now of all persons, of all ages too, and in voluntarily, unenforceable, mutal submissions to any Christian persons, pastors, elders.. and I do not believe in any enslavements. hierarchy pecking order etc.,,
I also do believe in the personal need of appropriate evangelism, our being able to share, to explain , to teach to others the biblical the reasons for one’s Christian based faith, beliefs.
I belief also in the need of all Christians in both social actions and political action now too. We all do need to be really concerned, involved personally and as a church in helping the poor and needy people starting in our own church, neighborhood too. I clearly believe in guiding, directing, instructing the political leaders to make the right choices, decisions, laws now too and insuring that we elect the best persons available for the job, not necessity Christian ones even.
Having a good time, being self centered, selfish, acquiring all the material goods, pleasure one can have is certainly not what being a Christian now is all about too.
Yes I also believe that Christians can only marry another really Christians and that Christians cannot divorce, while they temporarily can get a separation, for proper Biblical counseling mostly.
I rightfully and clearly now still do not believe in having the wife as the boss, head of the home, her having all of the say, the sole run of all things now too.
I also do not believe in taking any ostrich approach when we personally eye unacceptable wrong doings towards ourselves and others, and I do believe in asking all of the bad persons to repent, to even next openly expose, rebuke them now even too for their wrong doings and repentances, even if they think they are somebody, a pastor , cop or politician , professional included.. God himself does not accept personal or human rights abuses, sins, unrepentances quitely. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/
Nor do I I automatically assume that all cops, lawyer’s judges are decent, honest, the real purveyors of justices too.
(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
IT IS NOW MORE RARE BUT I DO ALSO NOW STILL GET BULLIED BY RELIGIOUS BULLIES, ABUSERS TOO.. not just by the past bad cops
The WRONGFULLY STILL Unrepentant bully’s problem is that he or she is one of those bad persons who only feels truly alive when voicing hostility and contempt for his “enemies.” Without that, he or she starts gasping for air. It’s his nature.. self-destructive” .. clearly these immoral Bully, Basher of others, Abusers of others has a disappointed, deflated ego, negative self worth, most likely related to past unresolved guilt, as a result of that the bully, he or she, tries falsely to build their ego up by bashing, hating others, by being an antagonists against his proclaimed enemies, which too often also is most people , for he or she no longer trust anyone, and Abusers this is a common very typical approach, fact in the character build up of Bullies, Bashers, but their approach is futile, the subsequent feeling of self worth dissipates too quickly, are actually replaced by guilt, and his ego, self worth likely needs to be recharged with new hate.. and is replaced with more and larger hatred of the others. I have seen this type of wrong behavior not just in bad managers, bad politicians, bad persons, but in alcoholics, and most often in Albertan rednecks ,but also in religious fundamentals evangelicals who promote hated towards Pentecostal Christians as well, and now as well as the crooked pastor wrongfully fighting for control over others. Public exposure and prosecution of these bad persons here too services everyone’s best interest.
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks, persons, civil and public servants, politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, Corporations too who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
Paul Kambulow
TheNonConformer
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James 1:19-25 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God. Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
Eph 4:26 KJV) Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
(Eph 4:27 KJV) Neither give place to the devil.
(Eph 4:28 KJV) Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
(Eph 4:29 KJV) Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
(Eph 4:30 KJV) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
(Eph 4:31 KJV) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
(Eph 4:32 KJV) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
(Eph 5:1 KJV) Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Some people lie and say anger is a sin, but even God gets angry at sin, ignorance . abuse, injustice and a lot more..
(John 15:19 KJV) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
(John 15:23 KJV) He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
(1 John 2:9 KJV) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
(1 John 2:11 KJV) But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
(1 John 3:15 KJV) Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
(1 John 4:20 KJV) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Too many sinful. spoiled persons clearly have a false concept of God, that they also falsely try to teach to others too, where God is a good guy, the devil is the bad guy, and in their religion God does not punish anyone for their sin. Now this false theological ostrich concept of God is PERSONALLY mostly held clearly to deny facing the possibility of the existence of the negative consequences for one’s personal sins, to AVOID facing up to, or immediately dealing with them, admitting them. Had they read the Bible they would have seen how God still punishes all persons for their still unrepentant sins.
Jer 46:28 But I will chasten {and} correct you in just measure, and I will not hold you guiltless by any means {or} leave you unpunished.
Jer 47:6 O you sword of the Lord, how long will it be before you are quiet?
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Jer 47:7 How can it [the sword of the Lord] be quiet when the Lord has given it an assignment to discharge?
(Micah 3:8 KJV) But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.
(Micah 3:11 KJV) The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
(Prov 27:5 KJV) Open rebuke is better than secret love.
(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Good verses we all need to remember often
Sadly criticism of relgion, relgious practise in our world is often based on personal views, cultural preferences and hidden agendas, etc.. nmany people who are so called experts on relgion.. relgious practises they have never experiecned firsthand are often absurd in their comments now still too.
Some people like to give it to others but next wrongfully cry, wrongfully do complain when they get it back..
The truth of what I have experienced the last 3 decades on the net and in many in churches now as well.. the truth that any bad Conservative is not any better than a bad Liberal.. and professing Conservatives, professing Christians, evangelical pastors included who themselves now wrongfully are too often now just as ungodly human right violators as any of the ungodly, secular persons too. They also should first Judge themselves before they judge the others, Christians too like to judge others but not themselves.
Often I have noted, experienced on the web even that even the professing Christians themselves now not just the preacher supposedly are abusive, do try to dominate, do disrespect others, and falsely censure others, lie about and slander them as well. It is always still a personal choice that has nothing to do with their persons personal political or religious beliefs, experiences now too.
Too many wolves in sheep clothing in the churches today We live in an epidemic of adultery fornication divorce and abortion in the church. – the reason we live in such an epidemic in the church is that Christians of every stripe. Evangelicals, Fundamentalists, Pentecostals, and Charismatic, have no foundation of the Holy Spirit in their life. Most believers that I have met have never once read the bible cover to cover. They have come to believe that if they mumble a few words about accepting Christ in their heart, that it is now all good, that they have passed from death unto life, and so they do not have to worry anymore about such mundane things as their having to obey the Words and Commandments of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Nothing could be father from the truth, disobedience and rebellion no matter where when or what you may have mumbled at some point of your life – brings forth eternal death in your soul. (Mat 7:13 KJV) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15
Luke 16:19-25 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23And in hell he (The rich man) lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
What was the rich man’s sin? Jesus said he was evil so that was why he was in Hell? or Did Christ say he was unjust? or what did Jesus really say was his sin? Jesus said he was wealthy and ate sumptuously every day. – That was his sin, that was his defilement, and that cost him his soul.
Look back now at Luke chapter 6: “But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. 25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.”
What did Lazarus do to earn a spot in Abraham’s bosom? Did Christ say he was righteous? Did Christ say he prayed morning noon and night? No Jesus said he was a beggar that laid at the gates of the rich man desiring the crumbs that fell from his table and the dogs licked the man’s sores. Look again at Luke chapter 6: Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. 21Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
Revelation 3:14-16 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Most Christians still do not know God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, and the Bible too.. less than 5 percent of Christians read their Bible 5 minutes a day, so they talk about things they really do not know, have not experienced, and the Holy Ghost especially.. undeniably too but they love to judge the others. Too Many Christians are doing their own thing, trying to live a life without Jesus, without even taking to him now often too.. Jesus himself hath said without me you can do nothing.. nothing!!! we all should stop hero worshipping mere men and start rather to worshipping God alone.
My real often reality is that even most so called Christians today when the see a miracle, they try to deny it, explain it away.. but they did that also in Jesus time now too.. so what else is new?
If you read the Book of acts then you did notice that the emphasis on the Holy Spirit, and distributing money, food to the local poor people was part of the reason the churches next were so popular and growing. While in contrast today many Churches. pastors, members, adherents, are selfish cheapskates. True pastors, elders, ministers would firstly daily read their Bible for one hour and pray daily for others. And what people need firstly is getting the book of acts Pentecostal experiences.. and they will naturally next care for the poor people, act like real anointed Christians.
I admit there are much too many crooked pastors around these days for my liking, and in my own witness, experiences the last 4 decades too.. but there seems much too many critics on the net.. who clearly are violating God’s instruction to try to talk to a brother humbly, personally about their sins, sins.. before shouting it from the housetops.. wrongfully mostly this is not been ing even done as we can all see on the net daily too.
I am a pastor, I have been to latter day Pentecostal churches, I have encountered good and bad pastors in many denominations including Alliance, Baptist, Pentecostal ones.. but firstly I tend to rightfully speak to a pastor face to face, get to know firsthand what he is like before I am wise enough to publically condemn, judge him
But if you have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit, and clearly admit you do not speak in tongues, and that you do not have the gift of healing, how can you really judge the others by comparisons, even by the discerning gift of the Holy Spirit..
Mind you Jesus said by their fruits you tell what they are like.. which include their love, joy, peace, gentleness, meekness, patience’s, faith.. since gifts operating in faith, the amount you have or the lack thereof..
(Rom 8:7 KJV) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(1 Cor 3:1 KJV) And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
(1 Cor 3:3 KJV) For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
(1 Cor 3:4 KJV) For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
A true Christian believers set of beliefs, doctrines is based on what the Holy Spirit himself who also is God himself now teaches you and me and his teachings they will not contradict the Bible.. and it is not rather based solely on what an angel or other men may teach us too. But of course if any others because they really still do not know God and/or because they are doing “your own thing”, following their own will, and/or have not died to Jesus Christ, they thus are not open to the Holy Spirit himself to talk with them thus they really should find out why too! otherwise they will mostly allow the false men, false angels to deceive themselves instead.. So how are they dealing with Jesus Christ firstly.. is he personally rightfully their Lord, Savior, or are they just playing a religious game? so I like to note that the type of response to my posts is also still reflective of the true spiritual nature of all of the posters as well and I can easily see those who have found the truth, and those who are still seeking for it or have wrongfully denied it..
Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Dispensationalists too, and many others they also are not Christians- certainly thus not anointed by the Holy Sprit, and not by along shot.. for they had missed out as to who Jesus Christ the Messiah was, and not just who who the Holy Spirit is.. so how can they even be anointed ones.. Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Dispensationalists are a religion yes, but the true religion? certainly not.
Human reason logic, is corrupt and limited.. learning how to now hear God talking to you firstly is what everyone should learn.. I have absolutely no doubt the devil talks to me, but so do God, the Holy sprit and Jesus separately as well too.. for decades now too.
(Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Actually the degree of negative personal consequences also are determined as to how quickly you on your own had repented of your major sins, or did Gold almost have to force you into confession of your sins as he did to King David And many People would know that already too had they actually read the Bible as they lying often claim they do too.
The world is seeking scientists. The Church is seeking scholars. But God is seeking his true prophets.
Where is the power of God that we see in the Prophets, in Christ and in the Apostles? And what are we doing that is now different in the Church from that I read of in the book of Acts in the Bible?
Follow the Anointing Luke 4:14 “And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.” Over the years many have questioned the lack of power in their Baptism of the Holy Spirit as opposed to what they read in Scripture and the New Testament and here we have the answer that has been in plain sight for all to see all along and in quite concrete terms –
Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Now I have often already covered topics like this of true and false Christians, churches many times too on my own sites in detail.
So the other real question as to whether apostles, prophets, pastor teachers exists today as in the Time of Jesus Christ first needs to be superseded by the question as to whether all true Christians are now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, Anointed, Greek word , Christos meaning one who shows evidence of the holy Spirit.. and the answer is yes… all true Christians are evidentiary now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, and if the other people cannot see this you certainly are not a true Christian.
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Thank God that you have great teachers. May God be with you. From http://iisk4.wordpress.com/
Hi Paul, thought I’d better take a look at your link.
I’m actually a Mormon, and we might have a slightly different idea on the Godhead-Trinity idea.
Anyway you may be interested in our perspective, and see how it compares to yours. I’ll put it under this little comment. I didn’t read it all, but noticed this little bit:
I think personally the rich man’s sin wasn’t that he ate well, but that he took no thought for his brother who did not, and who also had other needs the rich man could have easily helped with given Lazarus was on his doorstep. He didn’t love him as a brother.
Anyway this is how I see the ‘Trinity’, This is pasted from a comment I made on another site and is worded pretty strongly for them; but it nevertheless shows my understanding.
John 5;
‘ 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.’
This verse doesn’t substantiate the Trinity at all, there isn’t a scripture in the Bible that does. The Trinity idea is false, (if what is meant is that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost are some how the same person,) the three exist but are separate distinct persons the one-ness they have is in purpose. Obviously they are separate, Christ prayed to the Father. When he was baptized the Father bore record of him;
‘… and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.’ Luke 3; 22. It would have been dishonest, out of character, and silly to suggest he used some sort of ventriloquism. It was obviously the Father. Also Christ while on earth told where the Father was:
Matthew 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
This is actually what John is talking about in that verse; Christ bore record of the Father in word and action, The Father bore witness of the Christ, and the Holy Ghost also bears record of both, and his witness is available to all people if they will forsake their sins and ask in sincerity.
On the mount of transfiguration; ‘….behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.’ John witnessed that.
After the resurrection Christ said ‘I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.’ John 20;17.
God the Father was obviously somewhere else.
These above quotes require Christ and God the Father to be in different places at the same time, at the baptism, the Holy Ghost is recognized at a third location descending, it’s irrational to think them all the same person.
Preeminent is the Father, whom Christ calls his God and our God, it is to him Christ directs us we should pray. See the Lord’s prayer, Christ also states in that prayer where God the Father is, its obvious and consistent.
Psalms 82;
1 GOD standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
There is what Christianity calls ‘the Godhead’ comprising the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, Three separate and distinct individuals, one in purpose, but to us, it is to the Father we are asked to pray, because he is at the head, and to be reverenced above all as our Father.
1 Corinthians 8;
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
I find it interesting that even in the Quran when referring to God it says ‘We’; ‘It was We (God) who revealed the law [to Moses]‘…. because ‘we’ is plural, just like ‘us’ is plural as in ‘the man is become as one of us’ in Genesis 3; 22 and ‘our’ as in ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:’ referring to two or more persons under the title of God, the bracketed (God) as an explanation of ‘We’ is wrong it should be (the Gods). It is irrational to suppose ‘We’ ‘us’ and ‘our’ do not referee to at least two or more persons under the title of God, if you asked a child how many people in ‘us’, ‘we’ or ‘our’ they would answer; two or more, definitely not one.
Same thing in John 1;
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
This could read ‘in the beginning was God’ except John is teaching us about Christ and telling us that Christ was with God and also has the title of God.
The Father referred to Christ as God;
Heb 1:
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
In Revelation Christ speaks of those who overcome sin
Rev 21
7 ‘He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.’
Rev 3;
21 ‘To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.’
This shows what the oneness is, and that Christ has ‘ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God’ those of mankind who overcome the world, repenting of and forsaking their sins, who wash their garments in the blood of the lamb will inherit eternal life, and indeed all things and become like Christ and like God the Father and also ascend to that kingdom.
Anyway its always nice to meet someone who also believes in Christ and is conserned for his and his brothers and sisters salvation. Hope you don’t mind me sharing my view.
All the best Mark.
Thanks for the comment and for visiting my site..
Mormons do not believe that Jesus Christ is God himself so we have no similiar beliefs. All Mormons are really lost still too.,, they are all going to hell still next too. As simple as that.
Morons are not Holy Spirit led, they admit that they still are man led rather so they do not know the Bible spirtual truths, and so they can’t understand it still.
Speaking of false oppressions the Mormons tend to be the biggest false persons, hypocrites I also do know.. I openly and rightfully have no use for their lies, distortions, pretence too.. for they even mostly lie when they claim they even know and read the Bible for otherwise they would not be so dumb to contradict it all the time.. in their mostly false doctrines, false teachings now too.
God was never married, and he never had sex with anyone too.. Jesus is not the twin of the devil, rather Jesus still he is God himself.. he Jesus had said I and the father are one.
(John 10:30 KJV) I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
and no add on, re-interpretations, additional distortions are needed. the verse is straightforward and a simple one..
Water itself exists in three states, solid, liquid and gas and so does God The creator HIMSELF can certainly duplicate his CREATIONS STILL TOO..
nOW God, his Son, and the Spriit of Christ, God, the Holy Spirit are one still too, even though each one OF THEM is an indivual person, and each one of them do even personally talk to me too today.
(John 14:21 KJV) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
(John 14:23 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our (Plural) abode with him.
(John 14:26 KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(John 15:4 KJV) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
(John 15:5 KJV) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
(John 15:6 KJV) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
(John 15:7 KJV) If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
The Mormons should stop listening to all of their false prophets, false elders, false apostles, false teachers and start to really talk to and to listen to Jesus and his Holy Spirit. Almost 99 percent of real Christians, evangelicals, Catholics, Pentecostals rightfully do believe Mormons are not Christians, are a cult.
I also do not have to work to get in Heaven, for already I am in Heaven now, I am with God, with His son and His Holy Spirt now, I already do have a relationship with all three of them now.. and the rest of the persons being in Hell now is them now being seperated from all three of them, from the Trinity.. by even their own confessions too.. for you cannot have one and not have the others..
(Mat 19:21 KJV) Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
(Luke 6:40 KJV) The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
(John 17:23 KJV) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
(Rom 12:2 KJV) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
(Gal 3:3 KJV) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
(Eph 4:13 KJV) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
(Rev 3:2 KJV) Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” 2 Corinthians 11:3-4
see my posts on what a real Christian is.. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/what-does-it-really-mean-to-follow-jesus-christ/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/