GET REAL NOW

I do not really worry about what is happening in the world, but rather mainly what is happening in the Churches,  for judgment begins in the house of God. God is still coming for a church without spot and blemish
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One of the worst things you can do is to think that such a person, spouse, relative, family member, pastor, politician is a nice guy, OR ANY INSTITUTION, CHURCH NOW AS WELL  and so it  is worth being worshipped, praised.. well cause very shortly God will show you really what even the person now is really like, a sinner like all the rest of us.. and the political party, organization, church you worshipped..  If you also do try to maintain you are a good person now as well, God will not let that false pride stand before him as well and he will show to you and many others what you really are still are like.. For God is a jealous God and will have no false  idols NOW before him.. God says without me you can do nothing, nothing good that will last permanently, that the canker worms will next not destroy as well.. I have seen so many good guys in my life, some have been my close good friends, but real life next showed to us all what they really were like next too.. sinners.   https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/sinners/
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(1 Cor 2:2 KJV)  For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.  (Gal 6:14 KJV)  But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
 
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The last thing on my mind when I go to a new evangelical Christian church is that I will be abused, lied to, slandered, robbed, misused, persecuted  but sadly now too often these days that is not the reality. Why?  Not just the ungodly Liberals but the far right itself often still coerces  others who do not go along with them by “Borking” them.   Now ”Taiwanizing”  means calumniating, ostracizing, excluding and hopefully ultimately de-legitimizing a country. Doing the same thing to a person is called “Borking”. Borking  is “to attack a person’s reputation and views unfairly,” includes the concerted attack on the  challenger’s  character, background and philosophy.. Both Liberal and  Conservative activists have been making the same action over and over again in regard to  the so called  their opponents, news media,   reporters: The borked opponents aren’t debated but merely  shut  down, censored,  their free speech denied, and often next immediately they are forcibly removed, kicked out, never allowed to be discussed again too by anyone,  and hopefully insuring their person and his views being totally excluded from the rest of the local group, community.  The borked opponents aren’t debated but merely  shut  down, censored,  their free speech denied, and often next immediately they are forcibly removed, kicked out, never allowed to be discussed again too by anyone,  and hopefully insuring their person and his views being totally excluded from the rest of the local group, community. The fact this is too often practiced in too many evangelical churches of all places is astounding. The real Irony and hypocrisy is the right wing often claim they rather now are being Borked even while they are Borking the others.;  Example to fire an honest government official in an attempt to prevent embarrassment to and exposure of a dishonest government officeholder who has conspired to commit high crimes, the 1973 unacceptable firing, massacre of Watergate Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox by Solicitor General Robert Bork, orchestrated by both  Bork and President Richard Nixon . 
 
 As a professional, University graduate I now  was always solely responsible for my work output, no one told me how to do it too, I had always worked on my own with minimum supervision. When I   stepped   into a church, in many or most churches I was, am treated as if I am now in pre school generally, where I am immediately given a whole bunch of rules, even as to where I can sit, what I can wear, how much money I should give to the church, what I can do and cannot do etc.. mostly a totally demonic, controlling, dominating environment, so much so that  I rightfully often think that  the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ themselves are not allowed to express themselves, not given freedom to manifest themselves too. If I dare to openly question anything I  am threatened with police action and immediate church dismissal too. Forget about being showed mutual respect in this caged circus rather. This is all just perversity and not freedom in Christ.  Thank God that not all churches now are like this.
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(Gal 3:26 KJV)  For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

as to some  (Job 13:4 KJV)  But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value.

(1 Cor 14:29 KJV)  Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

(1 Cor 14:31 KJV)  For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Colossians 3:21 “Fathers, provoke not your children [to anger], lest they be discouraged.”  Matthew 7:3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

The Bible itself cleary posts the name of many of those now who had sinned, and did not repent, and some of their negative consequences too, as a warning to all the others who would equally be now next tempted to sin and not repent . Bad shepherds, priests, ungentle control freaks  included who had allowed the flock to be abused.

I USED TO BE NAÏVE ONCE AS TO WHAT GOES ON IN CHURCHES AND WHAT PASTORS CAN BE REALLY LIKE NOW TOO. ALSO WHAT POLITICS, JUDGES, LAWYERS, COPS, PROFESSIONALS CAN BE LIKE TOO.  A BAD PASTOR FIRSTLY TO REPENT NOW NEXT TOO? DON’T too often now EXPECT FOR SURE A MIRACLE HERE OVERNIGHT TOO.

I still would rightfully rather see pastor first live a sermon instead of too often now merely preach it to others and I really do think it is so farcical how some sinfully, proud evangelical pastors are ready to condemn others, to gossip about, to now preach about the other person’s  sins but someone how they can’t seem to deal with their own false abuse of others, their own sins, and their own false pride. Sadly I have often been in bad Christian churches where the clearly crooked pastor Stéphane Chauvette Associate Pastor  to turn off attention off himself would bash some other churches, some other denominations and some other persons, but all that bashing of his now did not still deny his own sins and his own wrong doings though now. The Bad preacher are not the only ones who can preach about other people’s sins and demand others to repent, so can I, bad pastors now included and I rightfully  do often as well. The older I get being falsely persecuted  next in the House of God, evangelical churches firstly now, seems to be a norm for me rather than an exception.. 

 

Their CONTROLLING BEHAVIOR, their false dominating behavior,  is Public Enemy Number One.. If you are a   Control freak you are not only still an unrealistic, immature, immoral person  but you  may have a serious personality disorder.  Slave drivers are driven by the devil.  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/ http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/more-about-control-freaks/

While Moses was a great example of meekness it seems many pastors are not these days.. they are anything but meek, they are rather controlling, harsh, unkind,  dictatorial, abusive, insulting, unloving,, rather I have often also met in evangelical circles the despotic foremen,  dictatorial types, bully, jungle fighter   leaders, the same persons who think they are supreme over all others, they can take the law into their own hands, and even do what they want over any others, physically now as well. I have not totally now understood how these unacceptable, abusive slave drivers got to this personality stage or why they falsely think in their abusive pride they will get away with it forever now as well. And yet they mostly lie and deny these sins, falsely claiming rather they are good, loving, kind..

(Gal 6:1 KJV)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2  Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3  For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceived himself. 4  But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5  For every man shall bear his own burden.

Now as I was also reflecting about my many past posts on the net  in the last few years I was really saddened to note that too many of them were about bad , greedy people trying to steal , trying to get other people’s money for themselves, stealing the money, or getting  it under false pretences. The love of more money is still the basis of what many of the wrong doings is, was all about..(Eccl 8:11 KJV)  Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil

I was also very sad to note as to how many evangelical, Christian  pastors, politicians falsely approve of drinking alcohol even though their real Christian colleagues preach against it..   Fundamental evangelical pastors preach it is a sin for any Christian to drink alcohol, Liberal Christians such as Catholics or Eastern Orthodox church say it is not. But one thing no one can deny is how harmful drinking alcohol is.. in Russia 60 percent of men and women die due to drinking alcohol.. how much hurt and damage does alcohol drinking cause in Canada? and how much money does it costs the taxpayers now too? Much too much too.

I have often heard it said that most Canadians Canada wide now are still like fearful sheep they are too ready to be fleeced, sadly it also seems they must have ostrich genes in them for when you present negative truths they tend to often rather bury their heads in the sand as well it  seems.. especially in in too many of the evangelical churches.. or  the ostrich sheep in Alberta who also now too often seem to think no Conservative politician can ever do any wrong rather it has to be the other bad guys, you know the liberals. Or the BQ separatists, the communist NDP… Ironically the wolves in sheep clothing exist Canada wide, in evangelical churches, political circles too now, and I guess for me telling the truth that is why so many of them hate me, do not hesitate to ban me or kick me out of their often also  bad churches now too..

I had attended a recent comical church service,  New Beginnings Ministry 9412 Rue Clement Lasalle, QC H8R1T5 Phone: (514) 363-1080., a farcical circus, not the first time now too,  where the pastor Stéphane Chauvette Associate Pastor was preaching about everything, bashing everyone else, but somehow he could not keep his own promises, his  own word, or stay on a specific valid subject. And he made it clear if you  rock his boat he will next also kick you off the ship.. The modern Christian evangelical fundamentalism demands a false blind obedience to a one man minister, ministry and all that he says and falsely bypass the mutually submissiveness eldership rule pattern set forth in the New Testament, book of Acts now as well. This bad fundamental church is no exception to this.  FaLSE, CULTISH CHURCH LIKE THIS ONE, LESS THAN A HUNDRED PERSONS NOW TOO, THE 2 PREACHERS THERE THEY LIKE TO JUSTIFY THEIR SMALL NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY PREACH THE TRUTH, THUS  THEY ARE A REMNANT, SPECIAL,  DISTINCT GROUP  OF TRUE BELIEVERS. Would be a lot better if they acted now like true genuine  true Christians firstly, and practice  real love towards others  too. This hypocritical, pretentious fundamental right winged evangelical pastor of this New Life Beginnings in LaSalle, Quebec  Preaches next openly  now  for us not to believe any of the news media and for us not to  have anything to do with any person who drinks wine **, and to stand up against all of the people who do any wrong, to even openly speak to them, ( as long as it is not the pastor himself  for sure) and yet he lied and says come and talk to me your pastor after church. I am always really interested to hear from you about all of your concerns but  in reality when you do try to talk to him.. for next  I thus told him that our evangelical Canadian PM Stephen Harper, the supposedly good Christian now drinks beer/wine, well the pastor really got upset at me for this..  since he himself cannot handle negative truths, he the ostrich no good pastor refused to further talk with me  and said  he was tired now, he  refuses to hear any of that, he refuses to believe any of that, for that is all gossip,  slanders, and also we do not allow anyone who causes disturbance, problems, gives any criticism in our church, so please leave now. So much for this supposedly Christ like church and their false professing Christian love, false brotherly love, their supposed openness now, and one’s free speech too..

(Mat 24:48 KJV)  But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49  And shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50  The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51  And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

(1 Cor 5:11 KJV)  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12   For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13   But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

** The Pastor had said that God does not let us to talk to anyone who drinks wine, but this is a rather distorted, extreme interpretation of the Bible, The Bible clearly says WE ARE NOT TO FELLOWSHIP WITH A CHRISTIAN PERSON  WHO GETS DRUNK.. now that is really different from not talking to any of the people who drink wine.. and why is this pastor so ready not to talk with others now too? so ready to smite them, to kick them out of church? If you have love for someone you are willing to talk with them, but if you do not have love for them, especially if, when you know they do not support you, do not agree with your presentation, do not agree  with your point of view, you as a pastor too now can personally can instead  refuse to love them, you refuse to talk to them, you find any excuse to reject, ostracize, divorce them basically to deny, to cover up the unacceptable reality that you yourself the pastor actually do not have any love for them.

Our Freedom of speech to many of these despotic, self centered, agenda oriented  preacher  is generally one way, they alone are allowed to do all of the talking, and no one else, everyone else is only allowed to listen is also what I have directly experienced here too. If you challenge what they say they falsely do immediately divorce you, even physically assault you and kick you out of the church now too.  The same pastor says he does not believe anything the news media writes at all. So who does he believe? only himself it seems and anyone else like minded. So what truth is he really now peddling, a distorted ones clearly. For the record, Stephen Harper Prime Minister of Canada himself now did  not even deny to me that he drinks beers and/or alcohol, or that he even gives presents of alcohol to others as well. So why do any of the others? Why did this pastor? They can only face the negative reality from a distance… Not  the first time I do now meet such fundamental ostriches.. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/alcoholic/

Please do have the local LaSalle police remind the pastors, elders, members, adherents of this Pentecostal church that is is still illegal for the pastor or anyone else now there too to physically assault anyone, even if it is in their church. They may have a right to ask anyone to leave their premises, but as I have witnessed myself now they do not have a right to physically grab, lay hands, assault any person in their church even now too especially when he did nothing wrong.. That right is only for the police and is limited for them as well.. If someone next after being asked refuses to leave the church when asked they can call the police. I told them that I was glad to leave this church on my own free will and will be just as glad not to come back too.


Honor Killings, Violence. In reality too the Cops themselves, RCMP included, now   are not the only one who resort to violence when their authority is threatened, so do some clearly bad, hot tempered evangelical  pastors now too..  I too before have already experienced in Canada  a  direct physical assault of me by  a rogue Pentecostal pastor who had punched me, physically assaulted me, with no provocation too,, in front of a witness, backed up with a police report , cause I had refused to go to his church. An another Pentecostal pastor and even a church elder,  were  attempting to physically abuse me to stop my public revelations of his unacceptable acts, thefts of money too. and the same thing had happened to my own brother on another occasion and he too had called the police and reported the matter who also had experience physical assault attempt  by a Plymouth Brethren pastor. But none of this should be a surprise when a pastor’s authority, financial security is threatened ehh..
 
OVER MANY YEARS I HAVE LEARNED THAT PERSONAL, RELIGIOUS CONFLICTS SEEM TO BE UNAVOIDABLE EVEN IN ANY CHRISTIAN CHURCH.. AND WE ALL SHOULD KNOW AS TO HOW SHOULD WE DEAL WITH THEM, REACT TO THEM.. MANY PEOPLE FALSELY RUN AWAY FROM THEM, TRY TO DENY THEY EXISTS.
 
It is a basic fact the we must all learn to live, communicate in love with one another, and his communication does not mean we have to accept all wrong doing now as well for the devil and his followers will often come to us to try to cause false bondages upon us, to detour us or divert us from the freedoms, truths that we all do we have in Christ. And it is very likely if you or the leader refuses to talk with someone it is really cause you do not love them as well.
 
(2 Tim 1:7 KJV) For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
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One of the things I have found also so confounding is how many contradictory preachers can be filled with both truths and lies, falsehood, errors and how come? Why is that?   I was passing through the city of Chicago on the way to Winnipeg and I had decided to stop in a Fundamental  church, that I had read about in Christians magazines, books now too, this Church had regular Sunday services casting out demons out of Christians too. I was dismayed to  hear the preacher at a Sunday morning service also preach that the Russians had an army of tanks on the US border in Canada ready too invade the US, and most people there had next accepted this as the truth. Funny or sad  how so many people seem to be ready to believe gross lies over the truth, reality  from their leaders now even  in churches as well. For certainty I next saw no Russians tanks at the Canadian border when I drove on to Calgary Alberta as well.I HAVE BEEN TO MANY VARIOUS DIFFERENT CHURCHES, SERVICES AND WHEN I HEAR PASTOR TRYING TO TELL ME HOW GREAT THEIR CHURCH SERVICES ARE COMPARED TO OTHER CHURCHES, I CAN MAKE A VALID REAL COMPARISON NOW TOO. THE FACT THIS PREACHER  IS BOASTING ALREADY LIKELY CLEARLY MEANS HE MISSED THE MARK OF A GOOD SERVICE.(Prov 27:2 KJV)  Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips. (1 Cor 14:33 KJV)  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.(James 3:16 KJV)  For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

I have often encountered preachers who claimed they alone were good persons, but the reality was far from it, and visible to many next too.

The WRONGFULLY STILL Unrepentant  bully’s problem is that he or she is one of those bad persons  who only feels truly alive when voicing hostility and contempt for his “enemies.” Without that, he or she starts gasping for air. It’s his nature.. self-destructive” ..  clearly these immoral  Bully, Basher of others, Abusers of others has a disappointed, deflated ego, negative self worth,  most likely related to past unresolved guilt, as a result  of  that   the bully, he or she, tries falsely to   build  their ego up by bashing, hating others, by being an antagonists against  his proclaimed enemies, which too often also  is most people , for  he or she no longer trust anyone, and Abusers this is a common very typical approach, fact in the character build up of Bullies, Bashers, but their approach is futile, the subsequent feeling of self worth dissipates too quickly, are actually replaced by guilt,  and his ego, self worth likely needs to be recharged with new hate.. and is replaced with more and larger hatred of the others.  I have seen this type of wrong behavior not just in bad managers, bad politicians, bad persons, but  in alcoholics, and most often in Albertan rednecks ,but also  in religious   fundamentals evangelicals who promote hated towards Pentecostal Christians as well, and  now as well as the crooked pastor wrongfully  fighting for control over others.

So you boast you do not steal, or commit tax EVASION,  but next you lie, slander, bully, abuse others.. just are as guilty as if you had stole now too.

Public exposure and prosecution of these bad persons here too serves everyone’s best interest.

(Prov 4:14 KJV)  Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men. 15  Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away. 16  For they sleep not, except they have done mischief; and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall. 17  For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. 18  But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day. 19  The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

(Prov 5:22 KJV)  His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sins.

(Prov 6:16 KJV)  These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17  A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18  An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19  A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

SEE ALSO

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/to-the-bad-preacher/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/

Being overly assertive is as bad as being overly submissive.. it is an unacceptable imbalance

(Zec 11:17 KJV)  Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

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  1. (Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

    Bad people try to do many things.. if others let them do it as well..

    Bad pastors, bad elders continue to exist cause likley the congregation is bad too.

    I have yet to see a Bible verse saying the local church is solely to be run by one man, one pastor too.. for that matter! and not the elders of that Church..

    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-deacons-bad-elders-bad-church/

    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/bullies-free-speech/

  2. What is Spiritual Abuse?
    An Understanding of Spiritual Abuse

    For our purposes, it is enough to state that spiritual abuse is “the misuse of power, position and influence for the personal gain of the leader or leaders of an organization or a movement.” There are many excellent books that have been written on the subject of Spiritual Abuse. Spiritual abuse is not a new phenomenon, it has been a part of religious life for centuries and elements of spiritual abuse can be found across the entire spectrum of Christian and quasi-Christian faith groups. Lately, it seems that spiritual abuse is becoming more common in Charismatic churches.

    Spiritually abusive situations can be recognized quite readily. People involved in an abusive situation begin by feeling that generally things just don’t seem right. As they focus attention on their growing disease; a typical pattern of abuse might manifest itself with symptoms much like these:

    1) The leader(s) will always need to have absolute control and the final authority over a ministry. If there is an eldership, it will be composed of only a few men (and women) who are chosen precisely because they can be controlled. It is unlikely that the will be in any meaningful relationship with people outside of his group. He will avoid being held accountable by a denomination or his peers in the professional ministry.

    2) The abusive leader is deceptive. The abusive leader cannot afford to be transparent and is likely to be a master at slick speech and manipulative words. The abusive leader is not above lying or deliberately engineering circumstances to get his own way. He will cover his tracks as best as he can.

    3) The abusive leader is somewhat paranoid. He will compound this paranoia by a reluctance to keep written records or minutes of meetings etc., This further fuels communication problems as he will get vital information mixed up and confused as the net closes in.

    4) The abusive leader loves things and uses people. One of the hallmarks of an abusive church is how many people have left the group because they could no longer stand being used and manipulated.

    5) The abusive leader or religious system works very hard at creating and maintaining a superlative image – spectacular programs, public ministries etc., There will likely be church schools, feeding programs, youth groups, bands and outreach ministries that are spectacular in nature. Look carefully at them; do they reflect back on the glory of Jesus Christ or are these monuments to the group leader ?

    6) Performance based approval is heavily promoted. Many charismatic groups are quite open about this. The abusive group’s position paper that is quoted in full elsewhere on this site, openly proclaims: “to function in the gifts and calling of God (true riches) we must prove ourselves faithful in that which belongs to another (whether God or man)”.

    7) People who choose to leave the group will do so under a cloud. They will not be released with love or any kind of public farewell usually. There will likely be shame and slander directed at them as they leave. Over time, an abusive group will have quite a collection of alumni with similar horror stories of abuse to talk about.

    8) Victims of abusive churches very often manifest broken lives and crushed spiritual faith after departing a dangerous religious group. Divorce, depression, drug and alcohol addictions, family and work problems are the price of religious addiction. This further fuels the abusive church leaders who thrive on scary stories about what happened to ‘so and so’ after he / she left the group…

    Understanding Spiritual Abuse
    By M.E. Hagemann

    Ezekiel 34:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks? 3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock. 4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them. 5 And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered. 6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them. 7 Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; 8 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; 9 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; 10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. 11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

    Galatians
    Chapter 5:1-26
    1Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. 7You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? 8This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you. 9A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is. 11And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offence of the cross has ceased. 12I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off! 13For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” 15But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!16I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

    Resources and Links

    Spiritual Abuse In The Churches.
    Listed information to make vulnerable people aware of some of the problems they can encounter in SOME churches and organizations.
    http://www.caic.org.au/zabusive.htm

    Cult Awareness & Information Centre
    http://www.caic.org.au/

  3. Christian Fundamentalists are Cults too their IDENTIFICATION MARKS

    (a) The group will have an ELITIST view of itself in relation to others, and a UNIQUE CAUSE. e.i. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES RIGHT – everyone else is wrong. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES DOING GOD’S WILL – everyone else is in apostasy.

    (b) They will promote their cause actively, and in doing so, abuse God-given personal rights and freedoms. This abuse can be THEOLOGICAL, SPIRITUAL, SOCIAL & PSYCHOLOGICAL.

    HOW THEY DO THIS

    1. Their leader/s may claim a special, exclusive ministry, revelation or position of authority given by God.

    2. They believe they are the only true church and take a critical stance regarding the Christian church while at the same time praising and exalting their own group, leader/s and work.

    3. They use intimidation or psychological manipulation to keep members loyal to their ranks. This could be in the form of threats of dire calamity sent by God if they leave; certain death at Armageddon; being shunned by their family and friends etc. This is a vital part of the mind control process.

    4. Members will be expected to give substantial financial support to the group. This could be compulsory tithing (which is checked); signing over all their property on entering the group; coercive methods of instilling guilt on those who have not contributed; selling magazines, flowers or other goods for the group as part of their “ministry”.

    At the same time bible-based cults may ridicule churches that take up free-will offerings by passing collection plates and/or sell literature and tapes. They usually brag that they don’t do this. This gives outsiders the intimation that they are not interested in money.

    5. There will be great emphasis on loyalty to the group and its teachings. The lives of members will be totally absorbed into the group’s activities. They will have little or no time to think for themselves because of physical and emotional exhaustion. This is also a vital part of the mind control process.

    6. There will be total control over almost all aspects of the private lives of members. This control can be direct through communal living, or constant and repetitious teaching on “how to be a true Christian” or “being obedient to leadership”. Members will look to their leaders for guidance in everything they do.

    7. Bible-based cults may proclaim they have no clergy/laity distinction and no paid ministry class – that they are all equal.

    8. Any dissent or questioning of the group’s teachings is discouraged. Criticism in any form is seen as rebellion. There will be an emphasis on authority, unquestioning obedience and submission. This is vigilantly maintained.

    9. Members are required to demonstrate their loyalty to the group in some way. This could be in the form of “dobbing” on fellow members (including family) under the guise of looking out for their “spiritual welfare”.

    They may be required to deliberately lie (heavenly deception) or give up their lives by refusing some form of medical treatment.

    10. Attempts to leave or reveal embarrassing facts about the group may be met with threats. Some may have taken oaths of loyalty that involve their lives or have signed a “covenant” and feel threatened by this.

    Refugees of the group are usually faced with confrontations by other members with coercion to get them to return to the group.

    SOME ABUSES OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS:

    1. ABUSE OF INDIVIDUALITY They adopt a “groupness” mentality. They are not permitted to think for themselves apart from the group and only accept what they are told.

    2. ABUSE OF INTIMACY Relationships with friends, relatives, spouses, children, parents etc are broken or seriously hampered.

    3. ABUSE OF FINANCES Pressure to give all you can to the group. In non-communal groups, members usually live at the lower socio-economic strata, not because of a lower income level, but because they are always giving money to the group for some reason.

    4. “US VERSUS THEM” MENTALITY Isolation from the community in general. Anyone and everything outside the group is seen as “of the devil” or “unenlightened” etc. Their enemies now include former friends; the Christian church; governments; education systems; the media – the world in general. Those who are involved with these in any way see such involvement as a “means to an end”.

    5. ABUSE OF TIME AND ENERGY The group controls and uses almost all the members time and energy in group activities. They are usually in a constant state of mental and physical exhaustion.

    6. ABUSE OF FREE WILL They must unquestioning submit to the groups teachings and directions and their own free will is broken. Their “will” actually becomes the groups “will” without their realizing it. This is done either by coercive methods including low protein diets and lack of sleep, or over a period of time through intimidation. Both methods make heavy use of “guilt”.

    RESULTS OF THIS ABUSE

    1. PERSONALITY CHANGES

    Relatives will say they no longer recognize the person.

    From a warm, loving personality will come heaped abuse, rejection and feelings of hate. The cult member sees himself as “righteous” in comparison and this comes across in their attitude toward all outsiders.

    2. LOSS OF IDENTITY

    They cannot see themselves as individuals apart from the group. Some even change their name as a rejection of their former life.

    3. PARANOID – WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED

    Any time you say anything negative about the group, whether justified or no, it is regarded as “persecution”. Any criticism of the individual is also seen as persecution only because they are the “true Christian” or “enlightened” one – not because they, as an individual, have done the wrong thing. However, at the same time they will feel free to criticise whatever you believe, say and do because they are “the only ones who are right”.

    4. SOCIAL DISORIENTATION

    They lose their ability to socialize outside the group. This can go so far as to not being able to structure their time or make simple decisions for themselves when they leave.

    Their world-view alters and they perceive the world through their leaders eyes. They become very naive about life in general.

    5. SEVERE GUILT COMPLEXES

    They are made to feel guilty of everything they did before entering the group and are to strive to be “good” and “worthy” for “eternal life”. Misdemeanors are made into “mountains” so that members are in a constant state of guilt for infringing even the most minor rules. Guilt comes because they aren’t doing enough; entertaining doubts or questions; even thinking rationally for oneself.

    This guilt is piled upon pile with new rules constantly being laid down about what is sinful and what is not. Illness may be seen as lack of faith – more guilt. Emotional illness may be seen as proof of sin in your life – more guilt.

    SUMMARY

    Not all these points will be found in every cult, but all cults will have some if not most of them, although these may vary to some degree.

    http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/fundie_cults/index.htm

  4. Federal Conservative Politicians seem to like to preach about law and order, conserving the good family values, but do they practice what they preach now to others in reality? Do they themselves support alcoholic beverages now as well? The liberal Christian & Missionary Alliance Church itself, PM Stephen Harper’s own church now, contrary to the fundamental evangelical Baptists and Pentecostals churches it does not openly prohibit the drinking of wine or smoking, or even divorce, remarriage after divorce, a fact not advertised by the PM and the PMO to the fundamental evangelicals

    Many EVANGELICAL Fundamentalist believe that all true professing evangelical Christians are or are to be total abstainers from alcohol, and IN A FALSE DENIAL, A FALSE UNBELIEF they refuse to admit the reality that some professing Christians, Christian leaders still do get drunk, drink alcohol. Why? the shock they have been lied too is too much for a start..

    And are the fundamental evangelicals being deceived by the PM, PMO, is our Prime Minister Stephen Harper an abstainer? or does he drink now beer and wine occasionally? Yes he does or no he does not? or Does he lie he does not drink beer/Alcohol but still drinks it? His RCMP body guards would know for sure. So do his friends.

    For the record, Stephen Harper Prime Minister of Canada himself now did not even deny to me that he drinks beers and/or alcohol, or that he even gives presents of alcohol to others as well. So why do any of the others? http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/alcoholic/ Many of Harper evangelical supporters really do seem to believe that Harper is a real born again evangelical Christians and thus an abstainer from alcohol/beer. But written testimony from one of Harper’s ex closest political buddies was that he and Harper often got drunk. Harper gave two bottles of wine and 6 wine glasses to the Australia premier as a present now too.. I know he Harper serves it. Harper undeniably allows beer and wine at his political functions too and has even paid for it in restaurants for others. That alone would cause his fundamentals evangelicals now to go bonkers. Now in reality too often even a professing Christian Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper does buys alcohol for others to elicit their support. Will he also give out playboy too now?
    Imagine that a Christian radio station from Alberta’s once Bible, belt, today’s devil belt, Red deer Alberta called me a liar and the same Ostrich, tried to shot me the messenger, he had accused me of spreading hatred cause I said wine and alcoholic were served often at Conservative political events, as the news media has reported itself.. for them that now cannot be true.. a professing Christian Stephen Harper cannot serve, drink alcoholic beverages.. but diverting the topic on me does not change the fact as to whether he Harper serves alcohol to others and that is still the critical issue.. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/the-time-has-come-to-end-glamourising-alcohol-sponsorship/

    The professing Conservative Party Christian Jason Kenney MP also drinks alcohol? “The minority Conservative government’s approach to multiculturalism will get an airing in a speech by Secretary of State Jason Kenney at the Brant riding association’s annual general meeting on Thursday. Kenney, MP for Calgary Southeast, has served in Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s government as Secretary of State for Multiculturalism and Canadian Identity since 2006. He has been active in promoting human rights – particularly freedom of religion – in autocratic countries. He is a member of Parliament’s Canada-Tibet Committee and was instrumental in the country granting honorary citizenship to the Dalai Lama in June 2006. The event will take place at the Sherwood Restaurant on Colborne Street East. Cocktails will be served at 6:30 p.m., with the meeting scheduled to start at 7 p.m. Kenney is expected to speak starting at 8 p.m.” http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1016750

    “The head of Ontario’s embattled workplace insurance agency should not have held a lobbying session at one of Ottawa’s most expensive downtown steakhouses, “Progressive Conservative MPP Tim Hudak asked why the head of the agency that helps injured workers was lobbying MPs. “It was an inappropriate use of funds – that were supposed to be used for injured workers – to have this high-end soirée at the swankiest bar in Ottawa,” “You’ve got to wonder what this guy has to do before he’s shown the door.” Labour Minister Brad Duguid is hauling the head of Ontario’s worker safety board onto the carpet for hosting a reception for MPs at an Ottawa restaurant. “I will be speaking to (the WSIB chair) to ensure that, indeed, the message is sent that we want to make sure that any expenditure of taxpayers’ dollars is done responsibly,” he said. Steve Mahoney chairman of Workplace Safety and Insurance Board, was “wining and dining” federal acquaintances last week at Hy’s Steakhouse. While the former Liberal MPP, MP, and federal cabinet minister insisted the May 5 event was “fully justified,” provincial officials were less certain. There was wine and beer consumed during the reception, attended by Liberal and Conservative politicians Mahoney said, adding the reception cost less than $1,000 and he paid for all the alcohol and for a subsequent steak dinner with six to eight MPs out of his own pocket” attended by Conservative MPs, Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, whip Jay Hill and David Tilson, NDP MP Peter Stoffer , members of the finance minister’s office. Speaker of the House Peter Milliken was there, as were fellow Liberal MPs John McKay, Karen Redman and Wayne Easter. If he can pick up the booze, he should pick up the steak,” said New Democratic MPP Peter Kormos, who, along with leader Howard Hampton, is calling for Mr. Mahoney to resign from his post. “Why does he feel guilty about paying the liquor portion to the WSIB premium payers, but he doesn’t feel guilty about charging 50 steaks?” While “ NDP Leader Howard Hampton called for Mahoney’s resignation last month after a Star probe found the WSIB gave millions in rebates to firms prosecuted by the province and found guilty of safety violations leading to deaths and injuries.” he needs to address his own party members to make sure that any expenditure of taxpayers’ dollars is done responsibly

    Ironically I had even written recently that the Conservatives clearly are basically no different than the Liberals, and both have much too many alcoholics now as well..”

    70 percent of Canadians drink alcohol, 15 percent Canadians are alcoholic, binge drinkers so of course alcohol is associated now with politics, Christian politicians as well.. Drinking alcohol cause permanent brain damage, it also causes a significant deterioration of one’s mental capabilities, deterioration of one’s inter personal relationship skills, it also causes more car accidents than speeding or not having adequate winter tires, it also reduces significantly one’s work productivity as well undeniably too. It has ruined many families as well. So do please tell us all now:
    – How much money did the Prime Minister, the Premiers themselves now spend on Alcoholic consumption entertainment last year,
    – How Much money did the federal, provincial cabinet ministers now spend on Alcoholic consumption entertainment last year
    – How much money did the civil and public servants now spend on Alcoholic consumption entertainment last year

    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/alcohol/

  5. A long serving constable in the Vancouver Police Department has been arrested for impaired driving in Burnaby. The VPD aren’t releasing many details about the officer at this point, including his age or identity. .The off-duty officer was stopped at a roadblock on the Trans Canada Highway early Sunday morning by the RCMP’s Port Mann highway patrol.. What they are still rewarding, covering him too for his drunk driving?

    OTTAWA — Former Edmonton Conservative MP Rahim Jaffer is facing charges of drunk driving and cocaine possession. Jaffer, husband of Tory MP Helena Geurgis, was arrested just after midnight last Thursday night by Ontario Provincial Police in Palgrave, north of Toronto. He has been charged with driving while over the legal blood-alcohol limit, and with possession of cocaine. His licence has been suspended for 90 days and he is to appear in court in Orangeville, Ont., on Oct. 19. http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/canada/2009/09/16/10941746.html

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/09/16/rahim-jaffer-arrest-impaired-cocaine.html

    Hey I have already many times written that Alcohol is also a big part of many a Conservative politicians life, and I wanted to know how many of them now were alcoholics too.. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/drink-alcohol-and-die/

    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/one-of-harpers-boys-in-trouble/

    do see also

    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/known-alcoholics-on-the-job/
    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/03/12/stephen-harper-conservative-liars/
    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/alcohol/
    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/a-professing-christian-prime-minister-of-canada/
    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/living-high-on-the-hog/
    https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/politics-political-corruptions-inducements-christians-alcoholics/

  6. Free speech too often is a right mainly for the RICH, the bad guys, crooks, not the decent folks. I also do I know that bad guys and gals such as the crooked cops, crooked pastors, crooked politicians, crooked anyone do not like me to use my right of free speech.. too bad for them.. Clearly just because some thing someone writes offends someone else does not mean firstly that it is even “hate”, immediately prosecutable by law, the courts or the Human Rights Commission. There is still a separation between appropriate speech and inappropriate speech, a separation between freedom of speech, expressing one’s views, opinions and the delivered, deliberate conscious propagation of hatred towards a specific group or person.

    I have to admit it came to me as a shock firstly when I started to attend evangelical, Baptist, Pentecostal churches in Canada now as an adult that that same right to be respect, to speak, and to be heard, not to be bullied, falsely oppressed, the Legal and Human rights that I had before, often now did not exist in the churches surprisingly now of all places. I Never saw so many control freaks, human rights abusers in my whole life next to the too often bad cops now too. And perversely many a despotic, crooked elder, pastor had wrongfully tried to shut me up, and even next had resorted next to slander me, to try to discredit me and what I had said, or whatever, now even both in Quebec and in Alberta.

    OTTAWA — A ruling from a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member says a controversial law banning Internet hate messages is unconstitutional because it violates free speech protections. Athanasios Hadjis ruled Wednesday that section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act violates Charter protections. While this decision doesn’t throw out the law – that’s something for the courts – it did let accused hatemonger Marc Lemire off the hook, because Hadjis refused to penalize him or order him to stop posting his messages on the net. on his site. Lemire was accused of posting anti-Semitic and anti-gay material on web sites in a complaint brought by Ottawa lawyer Richard Warman. Warman has become an Internet watchdog for such material and the main section 13 complainant before the tribunal. He had asked for a cease-and-desist order against Lemire and a $7,500 fine. Canadian Jewish Congress was quick to call for an appeal of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member Hadjis ruling. “We strongly disagree with his decision not to impose a cease-and-desist order,” said Joel Richler, an honorary legal counsel to the congress. The congress said other tribunal members have found the section to be constitutional and the courts should be asked to clarify the matter.

    The Ruling from a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member says a controversial law banning Internet hate messages is unconstitutional because it violates free speech protections. Refrence the human rights act section 13.1, which says it is a violation to disseminate material on the Internet that is “likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt” If the example is followed by other tribunal members, it could mean an end to section 13 cases. In a special report issued in June, the commission asked Parliament to change the law to eliminate the fines and provide a clear, legal definition of what constitutes prohibited hatred. The section has been controversial, with some claiming it spreads too wide a net. The Supreme Court of Canada has said legal action should be reserved only for the most extreme forms of hate. None of this in any way affects the hate-speech provisions of the Canadian Criminal Code which is completely different legislation, with higher standards of proof and evidence . Hate accusations can be also filed with the Canadian Human Rights Commission. If it finds them valid, they are then taken before the tribunal, which can order people to stop posting material on the web or impose fines of up to $10,000.
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5g-sQIC175Deo3aAwXy9H79lGF1hg

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