Sikhism is an independent religion and it is not a sect of Islam or Hinduism

  

  Many people think that Sikhism is a sect of Islam or Hinduism and many others think that Sikhism is a combination of Islam and Hinduism  even because  it seems whenever white people or any other person from any race looks at their turbans and dasthaaraa, pugaa and dhumala’s they think they  are simply Muslims because they  have a Turban and others think we are Hindus because of THE  FACT OF GURU NANAK DEV JI CAME FROM A HINDU FAMILY. Well they are basically unrelated. Sikhism clearly differs a lot from them as well especailly in women’s rigths.    

What really do Sikhs themselves now say about their relgion?Supposedly God sent Guru Nanak Dev Ji to the this world in order to enlighten Hindus and Muslims that they are merely fighting with each other trying to prove that their religion is superior. Guru Nanak Dev Ji preached that one does not have to be in a certain religion to meet God. It does not matter which religion one belongs to, as long as one performs true worship and meditation, he or she is capable of meeting with God. As proclaimed by God, Guru Nanak Dev Ji introduced a true immaculate way in order to attain salvation and be one with God.  Whoever followed the way of Guru Nanak Dev Ji was known as Sikh. Many Hindus and Muslims joined Guru Nanak Dev Ji and became his follower. Sikhism is an independent way to meet God, which does not derive any ritual from either Hinduism or Islam, however there are some similarities in the rituals and beliefs which are clarified below. Sikhism is an individual faith established by God through Sikh Gurus and it is completely wrong to consider Sikhism as a part or combination of either Hinduism or Islam.

Guru Nanak considers himself neither Hindu nor Muslim. He did not follow Hindu rituals and nor did he join Islamic law. As commanded by God, Guru Nanak introduced a true faith, whose sole purpose is the love towards God. Guru Nanak Dev Ji denounced the superstitions followed by Hindu and Muslims and told them to worship God instead of considering their religion superior.

Many Hindus and Muslims consider their religion superior but Guru Nanak Dev Ji instructed to focus on meditation of God instead of glorifying a religion. Bhai Gurdas narrates one instance when Hindus and Muslims asked Guru Nanak about was greater among them. “Priest from both Hinduism and Islam got together and began discussing religion. A great fantasy has been created and no one could understand its mystery. They asked Guru Nanak to open and search in his scripture whether Hindu is great or the Muslim. Guru replied that, without good deeds both will have to weep and wail. Only by being a Hindu or a Muslim one cannot get accepted in the kingdom of God. As the color of safflower is impermanent and is washed away in water, likewise the colors of religiosity are also temporary.” (Bhai Gurdas Ji’s Vaars 1). Guru Nanak Himself said, “The Hindu comes to the house of a Hindu. By reading the scriptures, he puts on the sacred thread. He puts on the thread, but does evil deeds. Not by taking baths he will be approved in the Kingdom of God. The Muslim glorifies his own faith. Without following the Guru, he will not be accepted in the Kingdom of God. Only a few people follow even if they are shown the way” (Guru Granth Sahib, 951).

Following are the reasons how Sikhism is different from both Hinduism and Islam:

1. Hindus worship Demi-Gods like Shiva, Bramhma, Krishna, Vishnu, Kali, Durga, Ganesh and others. Sikhism instructs to believe in One Almighty God. “The performance of countless millions of other devotions is not even equal to one devotion to the Name of God” (Guru Granth Sahib, 1163). [ More … ]

2. Hindus perform idol worship. Sikhism instructs not to perform idol worship and not to worship anyone else besides God. Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Sikhs’ Holy Scripture. Sikhs bow their head in the Gurdwara to Guru Granth Sahib as a sign of respect but Sikhs do not worship the scriptures. Guru Ji is the spiritual teacher of Sikhs and shows the way to meet God. Guru Nanak instructs that idol worship will not lead one to salvation. [ More … ]

3. Hindus practice caste system. Hindu society is divided into four basic caste clusters. People are ranked according to their caste and are considered either superior or inferior. Sikhism instructs to consider all humans equal regardless of caste, color, race, class and gender. [ More … ]

4. Muslims believe in polygamy and they even marry their cousins. By Islamic law Muslims can have up to four wives. Guru Nanak Dev Ji completely denounced these activities and instructed to be wedded to one person only.

5. Muslims indulge in animal sacrifices and Guru Nanak told them that this would not bring any good. Killing God’s creations in the Name of God is totally ironic. [ More … ]

6. Muslims do not give women equal status. However, Sikhism instructs to give women equal status. [ More … ]

7. Muslims makes fast and consider the month of Ramadan holy. Sikhism instructs that making your body suffer will not help you to meet God. Sikhism tells that meditation of God is above all.

8. Both Hindus and Muslims cut their hair. Sikhs however do not cut their hair as a respect towards God and live the way God made us. [ More … ]

9. Both Hindus and Muslims consider their religion superior. Guru Nanak Dev Ji instructed to focus on meditation of God instead of glorifying a religion. To the Muslims Guru Nanak says, “The Muslims praise the Islamic law; they read and reflect upon it but God’s bound servants are those who bind themselves to see God” (Guru Granth Sahib, 465).

10. Both Hindus and Muslim make pilgrimages. Sikhism instructs to search for God inside your heart. One does not need to go to Pilgrimages in order to be close to God. In addition, Sikhism instructs that taking bath at pilgrimages do not wash sins. Bathing at Ganga, and Triveni does not clean your soul. The only way to clean your soul is to meditate on God. [ More … ]

11. Moreover, Sikhism instructs the purpose of life. The purpose of this life is to become one with God, to merge in the One whom we originated from. [ More … ]

12. Finally, Sikhism shows the way to attain salvation and become One with God. Sikhism says that you do not have to fast, abstain, go on renunciation or enter a monastery in order to meet God. All you have to do is have faith, recite the Name of God and remember Him for each possible moment. Guru Ji themselves got married and lived a family life and showed everyone that you can meet God while living a family life. Furthermore, Guru Ji said that your mind has to be detached from this world, you have to look this world as a temporary place, you will not be here forever, one day you will have to die. What you do while you are alive is critical, so make your decisions wisely. Furthermore, you do not have to detach yourself from this world physically, you can lead a normal family life and still be able to meet God. [ More … ]

Guru Nanak Dev Ji laid the foundation of Sikhism as instructed by God. The next nine Guru sent to this world by God, strengthened the roots of Sikhism and enlightened people to meditate on One God only. Many people found the true meaning of Sikhism and those who did join and embraced Sikhism with love. Sikhism tells everyone to get rid of egotism, anger, greed, and materialistic things. Sikhism tells everyone to live a humble life and worship God. God sees all and your worship will be fruitful with time.

It is completely ridiculous to consider Sikhism a sect of any other religion. Just like you wouldn’t consider Christianity a sect of Buddhism, you should not consider Sikhism a sect of either Islam or Hinduism or a combination of both.

Related Topics
How is Sikhism a religion created by God? What does Sikhism tells about the image or description of God? According to Sikhism, how can one attain salvation? What kind of life one should lead to attain salvation? What is the purpose of life? Do Sikhs believe in equality of all humanity? What does Sikhism say about the Caste System followed by Hindus? What does Sikhism say about the practice of animal sacrifice performed by Hindus and Muslims? What does Sikhism say about the worship of animals (cow, snake, elephant) performed by Hindus? What does Sikhism say about the idol worship of demi-gods (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, etc.) performed by Hindus? What does Sikhism say about the pilgrimages made by Hindus and Muslims?

http://www.realsikhism.com/faq/combination.html

What others say

“Islam as a religion aiming to oppress women is a direct result of the abuse of Islam by some Muslim states, depending on the absolute respect given to religion by Muslim societies. In fact, Islamic law, if interpreted outside of its proper context, could be abused to justify and codify the violations of women’s rights in Muslim societies and states in the name of religion, in order to achieve certain social and political goals. The central question that poses itself, is whether there already exists a space for women to enjoy their human rights under the umbrella of Islam, or whether in general, men “have a degree” over women in Islam (Abdul-Ati). If some people are arguing that Islam ensures equity between men and women in both rights and duties, then what does it mean when the Qur’an, which is the standard revelatory source of Islamic Law, says: “And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage in some cases of inheritance) over them,” (Qur’an 2:228). How would those people explain the meaning of that “degree” that men have over women? Is it because of that revelatory verse that some Muslim societies until now treat women as second-degree creatures in the name of Islam?  The existence of some specific women’s rights in Islam is now obvious, and provided with a good argument, but how about polygamy in Islam? Is it true that a Muslim man has the right to marry up to four wives? Where is equity, then? What does it mean when the Qur’an states that a Muslim man, if he has the potential, can choose to marry one or two or three, or even four women (Badawi)? Does it mean that women are that marginalized and humiliated by the name of the religion?”

http://takingitglobal.org/express/panorama/article.html?ContentID=2393

A local  person was offended that Sikhs were  worldwide, in Canada too, automatically and wrongfully often associated with Muslim terrorists and had asked me to clarify it to all. One of my interesting discovery was that Sikhs claim to give equal recognition, rights to all women as they do to men, mind you I have often been to Sikh food stores and the Sikh Husband was clearly the Boss still. 

It is a sad note as well that both religious persons of all the minor, major religions too, and non religious persons, at least 90 percent of them,  have been, or are still unacceptably guilty of false the  discriminations of others, even too often the accusers of the others.
 

There is still a serious, real need in changing the Muslim countries’  laws, agendas,  in order to fill the gap between the supposed women’s rights afforded by Islam, and women’s rights afforded  in reality by many of the Muslim societies, and most Muslim males  have to accept  some serious religious even re-education..      

 

My beloved wife oftentimes reminds my family to regard her with respect to her mind, but my mama and papa laugh at her. What can I say to my wife to stop her from slapping them down in anger? “.  If husband can divorce his wife by saying 3 talak at a time & marriage is over, then how does Islam protect women’s right? Many husbands do abuse their divorce power.   All the Muslim men who claim to be Muslims and abuse the women supposedly do not even know well their own religion or do not practice it?  and for too many Muslim men it seems also it does not matter what Islam says because he is only following what pleases him, his interests, his interpreations of the laws.. sad.. Also since Islam came supposedly with higher moral laws to correct those of the Jahiliyyah, why didn’t Islam abolish enslaving women and children at times of war?  Any abuse of anyone by anyone still  is unacceptable. ” Everytime I ask my dad to open a bank account for me, he says I am a girl and therefore I should not get a bank account, while my younger brother has a bank account…” all about the true side of Islam.
 
“O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. Surah 4 Verse 19″

…They (Your wives) are your garments and ye are their garments. …. Surah 2 Verse 187

“Among the Muslims, the most perfect as regards his faith is the one whose character is most excellent, and the best among you are those who treat their wives well.” 

While there are some common, rare similarity amongst some of the major religions in this world, The aspect of divorce is clearly one that contrasts them all.. for a True Christian divorce is not permitted at all.. even if many Christians falsely practice it.
 
It is true that there are many Muslims, men as well as women, who fully do not live up to the teachings of Islam, just as there are many Christian men and women who do not live up to the teachings of Jesus. You must always still judge any person  now by what they say, but  by what they do. Bad people do bad things, no matter what their religion is now too. Also real Reform from within Muslim societies is still even needed, first by education, knowing that over half of Muslims today,  are illiterate, only 15 percent know  Arabic, which is the language of the Qur’an, the holy book of Islam. Too Many  persons do practice their own version of Christianity, and Islam it seems thus, wrongfully practise what others have said it says too..
 
Note: Sikhism now also like Mormons, Hindus, Jehovah Witnesses, Islam , Buddhism, and many others  too are  a cult, sect  that bears no genuine relationship to Christianity too. It does not follow the Christian Bible too. One cannot help but notice how so many of these religions differ but now they still do claim to be originated with God. A true God is certainly not so confused that he has started all these various, different and false religions.

Do also see

 https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/as-to-what-is-a-christian/

http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/marriage/

http://groups.msn.com/Jesussayscome  

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I am a Canadian, retired and I do have an Engineering degree, from Concordia University , Montreal 1968, plus I had also now worked as a Re/Max Realtor in Calgary too.

16 thoughts on “Sikhism is an independent religion and it is not a sect of Islam or Hinduism”

  1. you wrote that sikhism unlike islam treats men and women equally! Give me one piece of AUTHENTIC evidence that shows that Islam degrades women! i am sick of this misunderstanding. People do not read the Holy Qur’an or and of teh Holy books of islam before jumping to stupid conclusions caused by the mullahs who distort the truth. men beating their wives, is that what got you thinking that men are superior in islam? or was it that many muslim women cover themselves up? do you even know why they cover themselves? so that they are not the centre of attention of other dangerous men. people happily say taht women are oppressed in islam then tell me; why doesn’t a christian dad want his daughter to wear revealing clothes and go out at night? why doesn’t a sikh dad want his daughter to do the same? is this just out of stupidity? i don’t think so! there are wise reasons behind a dad’s reasoning to his daughter why she shouldn’t leave the house with revealing clothes. i hope that this has cleared your misunderstanding and you keep in mind next time you are going to make a conclusion about any religion make sure you have refernces to back you up.
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  2. Firstly you are inacccurate already cause I was quoting what other Sikh people had said.. not what i had said.. I am not Sikh.. Secondly Muslims women themselves now often complain to news editors how they are abused by Muslim men. Muslim Relgion and do not have equal rights to the men, for example the right to go to school in many Muslim countries now too.. Muslims have equal rights to the other citizens in the English speaking countries.. In fact non Muslims do not have the same rights as Muslims in many Muslim countries now too and all of these facts are undeniable, and undisputable.

    Is this why many Canadians are dying for?? Cheap vain, religious words..

    Afghani journalism student Parwiz Kambakhsh has been sentenced to death for blaspheming because he not only downloaded articles regarding woman’s right’s under Islam, but also exposing the brutality against women and children by the local warlords in his community. He is being sentenced to death for “disseminating defamatory comments about Islam.”Say it isn’t soooo? Sounds like another mo-ham-med teddy bear moment to me! A three judge panel decided that his articles were blasphemous and sentenced him to die. That’s Shari’ah Law for you. The issue for this writer is the Islamic concept of blasphemy

    For any religion to survive in the modern world, it needs to adapt to its reality, especially when it comes to equality between men and women concerning religious practices. As men and women should worship God in the same way, women should also have the same rights as women in assuming religious responsibilities.

    Some persons try to say that Islam has freed them, but did your brothers, father, government free you yet too? or are they still killng, murdering you ? What good is a religion like Islam which cleary does more harm to others than good, and it clearly fails to help, convert for the good , even the still absuive men, those who profess they believe in it as well , as we can undeiably often see… A good religion would really transform, visibly convert the Islamic people, otherwise it is more of void, empty words.. Why would anyone then even bother try it, to follow after it when it visibly now does not help no so many of it’s followers to live a good, honest, peacefull life? It is rather as we often see a relgion where men do have to enslave it, enforce it upon others. This certainly in not worship God, in love, in Spirit and in truth.

    http://gto7.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/islam-is-truly-satans-religion/

    Physical abuse, Human rights abuses, Verbal abuse, silent treatment or being a control freak is also not acceptable even on the net..

  3. who says that everything that most of the Muslims do is the correct Islamic way to doing things. it says in the book of hadith that everybody I stress: EVERYBODY should seek knowledge even if you have to travel far away! nowhere does it say that women are not allowed, now look at the cultural background of the countries that degrade women and beat them. I myself am a Canadian and do not get beat up and do not get oppressed by anyone and have my choice in everything. more than half the Muslim population is turned into these twisted creatures by the false facts stated by the mullahs. you may have heard of the incident where a mullah killed a child in Pakistan just because he wasn’t learning properly. does that sound to you as oppression? Children are being poisoned by the venom of the mullahs and are thus turned into the so called martyrs. in Islam SUICIDE is a sin and is not allowed so why do you think these people are going against their own religion in the name of religion? its cause they think that this is your religion. I agree that the governments of these countries and disgustingly wrong because I am a ahmdi Muslim and we are not allowed to live in any of these countries. for if we declare ourselves as Muslims we get to go to the jail!

    nowhere does it say anything about beating women in the Islam. it is the culture that over takes the religion! and the biggest thing is illiteracy! no one knows what is the truth because they are never given the opportunity!

    I hope you understand that the misunderstandings have been dragged far too long and many get to see the fake picture of Islam when you get to know the real one by actually reading the holy books of Islam, it truly preaches peace.

    I appreciate the fact that you provided me with the link,

    experiimental.wordpress.com http://www.alislam.org.

  4. Real actions speak louder than mere words in any religion.. Many people reminded me this week how how they cannot live peacefully now even in India too with all of their many relgions….. Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs fight with each other often..

    in reality 70 percent of all evangelical North American pastors, including non Pentecostal pastors have admitted to adultery. and the reasons why? they have been living high on the hog.. adultery, Divorce is God’s punishment for those whom he is upset at– the Bible..

    A strongly professing educated Canadian Muslim from Northern Africa had told me that your post was written likely by a an illiterate Paki from Pakistan.. I accused him next of rightfully of being a racist.. for of the 1.5 billion Muslims I also told him now it was unlikely you were from Pakistan.. I next also had also asked him if Sadaam in Iraq was a practicing Muslim now too.. he refused to answer the question..

    Islam seems to forbid cruelty to women but sadly it does not seem that many of the Muslim men propagate this truth still.. and from what I do still see Islam does not treat their women equal to the men still too. Sadly too. Some persons try to say that Islam has freed women too but did your brothers, father, government free you yet too? or are they still killing, murdering you ?

    I happen also to know firsthand that many Russian orthodox Christian men have been inflicted by the way the Muslim men wrongfully treat their wife’s, and as a result many of them justify falsely their beating up their own wives now as well. No Christian man is allowed to beat his wife.

    And too many Muslim countries still tend to pursue clearly a cruel, sadistic version of Islam in reality, falsely not giving rights to non Muslims persons.. this itself is an act that does not lead to peace truly now as well.

    Even the many Canadian Sikhs that I had recently met were not kind peaceful persons in fact, they mainly were interesting in converting others, making money but not being kind, loving, friendly to the others firstly too.

    It is interesting that 70 percent of Quebecers polled would not let any of their children marry a Jew or a Muslim and why? these Jewish and Muslim religions falsely still do practice an eye for an eye, and not forgiveness.. so there can never be peace under these religions now next still too

    >>> as to ” Recently i have started to read a book written by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad called Jesus in India. This book is probably the most fascinating book i have ever read! it is like a whole different story from what more than hallf the world believes in. In this book the author proves to the reader that Jesus did not die on the cross and after he was taken off of the cross, he recovered and then made his way to india and then Kashmir where his grave now lies in Srinagar, Kashmir. “”

    Ha Ha ha I liked that one… I laughed so hard too.. that was the best joke I heard this year too.. those guys in INDIA are good comedians.. or the world’s biggest fools!!! FOOLS IS MORE LIKE IT.

    They all should look at the calendar.. 2008 ad.. 2008 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ… so undeniably of an event it even changed the calendar history too.

    But fools are so desperate to serve the devil and please him FOR SOME rewards hopefully they will post any garbage on the net TOO.. especially about JESUS. IT IS NOT WORTH EVEN TALKING WITH THEM NEXT ABOUT IT. Only fools still think they can convert the others with lies, distortions, unrealities.. showing us all what they are still realy like.. they do need to be saved even from themselves by Jesus Christ.

  5. I have often thought about the reality that the majority of persons had never claimed to be saved, healed, delivered, from reading a telephone book or even books by some of the world’s greatest, the most known authors writers. And yet there have been millions of persons whose life have been definitely changed, personally altered, for the good, lives transformed, whose sins have been forgiven cause they read the Bible and applied it.

    Even Alcoholic anonymous and their 12 step program admit that God alone forgives the sins of alcoholics, and transformers the person next too, if they admit their sin and humbly ask God to do so too.

    Beware though – most bad persons, drug addicts and alcoholic ones included they employ false denial techniques that build more walls between them, God and others

    And in truth the only people I have ever seen who manifested any lasting, real changes were these people changed by God, who had next became born again, and to be fully truthful here too next half of them even got worse again next, a dog who returned to their vomit, they denied next the DENIED THE SAME FAITH THEY BELIEVED IN TOO.

    The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous rightfully says that only God can next heal, relieve the sin, the illness of addiction. It requires the addictive person to first confess they have sinned and next ask for God’s forgiveness, help.

    Too many a persons also do falsely deny who they really are, hiding behind prestigious or pretentious facade that they are unknown, cannot be discerned, read, known cause they are too complex.. you can fool some of the people some of the time, most of the people most of the time but not all of the people all of the time..

    The fastest way to change is by praying, even by the prayers of others, reading the Bible as well..

    Jesus himself said a person can be known simply by what they do. good people do good things.. and bad people tend to do bad things.

    (Mat 7:18 KJV) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    (Mat 7:19 KJV) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    (Mat 7:20 KJV) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    (Mat 7:21 KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    (Mat 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    (Mat 7:23 KJV) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    (Mat 7:24 KJV) Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

    (Mat 7:25 KJV) And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

    (Mat 7:26 KJV) And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

    (Mat 7:27 KJV) And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

    Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks, persons, civil and public servants, politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,

    Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

    People to make money even these days tell all kind of lies … Today many Children are also being falsely led to believe that Gambling, Alcohol and Bad drug use is generally safe. The average 18 year old has seen 100,000 television commercials encouraging him or her to drink. That’s why 80% of high school seniors have tried alcohol, 32% have gotten drunk in the last thirty days, 43% smoke marijuana, and about one third are smoking cigarettes. Most addicts die of their addiction and they take their family members down with them. The first step in any help program recovery is to get honest with yourself. Get honest even as to what the other person is really like.. Do not let them take you down the drain with them next too..

    We all must take any personal addiction seriously because 25% of North Americans die as a result of substance abuse. The average alcoholic dies twenty-six years earlier than he or she would otherwise. Drug users, alcoholics, cheaters, abusers, adulterers affect negatively continually too the lives of at least six others

    Being nice. kind, friendly to a really bad person is still also a complete waste of time, for they will not change their negative behaviors on their own, they see no reasons to do so now still too. Sad but true. We cannot never control a bad person, a drug addict or an alcoholic, but we can learn all about it and learn firstly to control our own behavior, appropriate Responses -including how we should behave in the relationship with the sick and suffering and /or possibly manipulative addict or alcoholic, abuser..

    Can a Person change themselves? Is there hope for anyone? Only if they follow God’s rules!! Accepting Jesus! and we all should look at the calendar.. 2008 ad.. 2008 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ… so undeniably of an event it even changed the calendar history too.

    Trying to help an abuser? Establish clear, simple to follow Boundaries, Set Limits, Set detachment. One example of setting a boundary is telling a close friend, a loved one that you prefer they not be around you if they are smoking, drunk or high. Notice that it is specific demand, and you have to sit down and communicate this type of request explicitly with that someone. Setting a boundary like this is difficult because there is this tendency to hurt other’s feelings. But that is part of what is keeping you ineffective- your caring more about this person’s feelings than your own personal well being. Setting boundaries is about putting your own personal well being and even that of others first, and letting that be a guiding example of how to live. You know you are setting effective boundaries when you are taking back control of your own life firstly and starting to regain your own sanity-instead of being all wrapped up in the problems of a struggling smoker, rebel, drug addict or alcoholic.

    “Here are some things that you can do in order to practice detachment with the struggling pervert in your life:
    -Don’t do things that they should be doing themselves.
    -Don’t bend over backwards to rescue them or save them from natural consequences.
    -Don’t cover up for their mistakes or embarrassing situations.
    -Don’t rescue them from crisis or financial situations.
    -Don’t try to fix them.
    -Let go of any guilt you may have about them

    Detachment is not about denying your emotions. If someone close to you dies, for example, you will probably feel sad. You can’t choose this feeling. It simply is. But we do have the power to affect the intensity of this feeling, by focusing on the positive aspects of the situation. We can also change our thinking in an attempt to eradicate irrational beliefs that might be contributing to our emotional turmoil.

    The goal is not to go without emotions, the goal is to achieve some level of emotional stability. We are detaching from the negative, irrational thoughts that stir up our emotions-like the guilt we might have if we think someone’s perversity, addiction is our fault.

    Detachment is difficult and takes practice but it helps the whole works..

    There is no pit deep enough, no sin that you fall into, the Jesus Christ cannot deliver you from even today. Jesus is alive and well and ready to help you.. He is alive cause I talk with him everyday too for the last many years..

  6. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/a-true-believers-set-of-beliefs-doctrines/

    A true Christian believers set of beliefs, doctrines is based on what the Holy Spirit himself who also is God himself now teaches you and me and his teachings they will not contradict the Bible.. and it is not rather based solely on what an angel or other men may teach us too.

    (Luke 1:79 KJV) To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

    (John 16:13 KJV) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

    But of course if any others because they really still do not know God and/or because they are doing your own thing, following their own will, and/or have not died to Jesus Christ, they thus are not open to the Holy Spirit himself to talk with you thus you really should find out why too! otherwise you will mostly allow the false men, false angels to deceive you instead..

    So how are they dealing with Jesus Christ firstly.. is he personally rightfully their Lord, Savior, or are they just playing a religious game?

    So the other real question as to whether apostles, prophets, pastor teachers exists today as in the Time of Jesus Christ first needs to be superseded by the question as to whether all true Christians are now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, Anointed, Greek word , Christos meaning one who shows evidence of the holy Spirit.. and the answer is yes… all true Christians are evidentiary now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, and if the other people cannot see this you certainly are not a true Christian.

    Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Dispensationalists too, and many others they also are not Christians- certainly thus not anointed by the Holy Sprit, and not by along shot.. for they had missed out as to who Jesus Christ the Messiah was, and not just who who the Holy Spirit is.. so how can they even be anointed ones.. Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Dispensationalists are a religion yes, but the true religion? certainly not.

    Human reason logic, is corrupt and limited.. learning how to now hear God talking to you firstly is what everyone should learn.. I have absolutely no doubt the devil talks to me, but so do God, the Holy sprit and Jesus separately as well too.. for decades now too.

    (Luke 15:6 KJV) And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

    (John 10:14 KJV) I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. (John 10:5 KJV) And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

    (John 13:36 KJV) Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

    (John 10:26 KJV) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

    (John 10:27 KJV) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

    (John 21:17 KJV) He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

    God bless you..

    Paul

    http://pbulow.tripod.com/wait.html
    http://pbulow.tripod.com/voice.html
    http://pbulow.tripod.com
    https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/as-to-what-is-a-christian/

  7. I am also fascinated as to how I can make the same post and get contrasting different responses to it..

    Like I often get this typical response
    “A hearty AMEN! Thanks for your comment. Be blessed. ”

    and yet I also get the clearly negative ones..

    so I like to note that the type of response to my posts is reflective of the true spiritual nature of all of the posters as well

    and I can easily see those who have found the truth, and those who are still seeking for it or have wrongfully denied it..

    so why cannot God now use, raise anyone he wants, after all he God did even speak through a donkey or whatever

    I stand by my all of posted comments even that most men do these days act as bad Christian pastors especially the one man ministries.. undeniably too

    and you can interpret the Bible anyway you want and call it Biblical too it is still your own interpretations.. not the Holy Spirit’s and too often as well.

    it should by now even be clearly to you who wants to respect the Biblical pecking, hierarchy order that firstly the Apostles, and Prophets are still the rulers over pastors, for they are their superior elders… as per (Eph 4:11 KJV) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

    and no one to me can deny that women prophets had existed too.. do exist today..

    and I do not bully, abuse, insult, downgrade, degrade, bash, attack the women..

    I admit also in reality men and women are equally bad sinners too often now too… and both need to be really saved from themselves too by Jesus Christ..

    It is a sad note as well that both religious persons of all the minor, major religions too, and non religious persons, at least 90 percent of them, have been, or are still unacceptably guilty of false the discriminations of others. There is still a serious, real need in changing the Muslim countries’ laws, agendas, in order to fill the gap between the supposed women’s rights afforded by Islam, and women’s rights afforded in reality by many of the Muslim societies, and most Muslim males have to accept some serious religious even re-education.. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/sikhism-is-an-independent-religion-and-it-is-not-a-sect-of-islam-or-hinduism/

    It is amazing to me that Christian Muslims have the same power trip over women as Muslim men, and do they beat them as well? http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/more-about-control-freaks/

    here it is also very interesting to note that of the main issue in many persons comparative religion issues on the net on the major religions it boiled down as to how they treat women rather still.. and how they do allow divorce too..

  8. Dear Paarsurrey

    The physical death of Jesus on the cross is well attested historically in comparison with the swoon theory and that Jesus later dies in India. I’ve posted this evidence before and gotten no answer from you and so here it is again.

    HISTORICAL EVIDENCE

    The Old Testament prophets testified to Jesus death and burial. For example, Isaiah wrote almost 700 years before Jesus,

    Isaiah 53:7-9

    He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, So He did not open His mouth. By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due? His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

    Jesus testified to His death on multiple occasions. Here are a few examples:

    Matthew 16:21

    From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

    Matthew 20:17-19

    Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside and said to them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!”

    Matthew 26:1-2

    When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, “As you know, the Passover is two days away—and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified.”

    Matthew 26:6-12

    While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table. When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. “This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor.” Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me. When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial.

    Here are some eyewitnesses to the death of Jesus on the cross:

    Mary Magdalene

    Mary the mother of James and Joseph

    Mary the mother of Jesus

    The disciple whom Jesus loved (John 19:26)

    Here is a list of names of people who participated in the burial of Jesus’ dead body:

    Joseph of Arimathea

    Nicodemus

    Mary Magdalene

    Mary the mother of James and Joseph

    Even non-Christian sources wrote that Jesus died:

    Josephus (Jewish historian born around 37 AD and died 100 AD) refers to Jesus’ death (Antiquities 18.3.3).

    Tacitus (AD 55-120), a renowned historian of ancient Rome wrote around 115 A.D. that Christ was “executed” by Pilate (Annals 15.44).

    The law/Torah requires that a matter be established by two or three witnesses (Deuteronomy 17:6-7). Therefore, the testimonies of Jesus, Old Testament prophets, Jesus’ followers, non-Christian historians, etc. is true, legal and believable compared to the testimony of Muhammad (or the Qur’an), which was written nearly six hundred years after the event. To put it simply, the Law of Moses makes it unlawful to believe the Qur’an.

    I’ve provided substantial 1st century testimony to Jesus death on the cross. The Qur’an came hundreds of years after the event; it has no historical support from the 1st century to support its claim and is vague. The Qur’an does not explain who died on the cross, it does not explain whether the disciples of Jesus were deceived, and does not explain why Allah has allowed the world to be deceived (or did Allah deceive the world?) about this for hundreds of years.

    An honest look at the facts leads to the conclusion that the Christian Scriptures are superior to the Qur’an because of the superior evidence available demonstrating the death of Jesus on the cross.

    MEDICAL EVIDENCE

    Here is medical evidence from a peer reviewed medical journal (one of the most prestigious in the world) that Jesus died on the cross and did now swoon,

    “Clearly, the weight of historical and medical evidence indicates that Jesus was dead before the wound to his side was inflicted and supports the traditional view that the spear, thrust between his right rib, probably perforated not only the right lung but also the pericardium and heart and thereby ensured his death. Accordingly, interpretations based on the assumption that Jesus did not die on the cross appear to be at odds with modern medical knowledge.”

    Citation: William D. Edwards, MD; Wesley J. Gabel, MDiv; Floyd E. Hosmer, MS, AMI; “On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ”; Journal of the American Medical Association 21 March 1986; Volume 255, 1463; available at http://www.brainshavings.com/supplements/crucifixion/

    Can you provide better medical evidence for the swoon theory from a peer reviewed journal and not simply from isolated doctors?

    If you are unable to provide superior testimony then I invite you to embrace Christianity as the truth and only way of salvation. Jesus said, “I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.” (John 8:24)

    I pray that you would carefully read my postings on your blogs and that God would move you from fiction to fact. I invite you to love Jesus by believing what He taught and believing in His death and resurrection for sinners.

    Sincerely,

    Aaron

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    From: White Munara [mailto:whitemunara@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:47 PM
    To: AGoerner@adelphia.net
    Subject: Christians doubting Jesus’ death on Cross as they doubt Jesus’ resurrection from the physical dead

    Christians doubting Jesus’ death on Cross as they doubt Jesus’ resurrection from the physical dead
    September 13, 2008 by paarsurrey

    Hi

    Since Paul built a house on sands that Jesus died a physical death on Cross, the Pauline/Christian creed to lend support to it is in jeopardy. Having none as an eye witness to testify on it to the present or modern standards, they loom about for a supportive dictum. One such is presented by allaboutjesuschrist.org named as Aristotle’s Dictum. I searched for it in the wikipedia, but could find no such eye witness Aristotle’s dictum on Jesus death on Cross.

    I would like some Christian with real faith, not a mythical blind faith, to kindly help me find one. A mythical or blind faith is of no use in the face of reality or certainty. Please don’t get disturbed this is perhaps the usual imaginative criteria of the Christian mythical faith.

    I give hereunder the relative note from: http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/Jesus-Resurrection.htm
    Kindly read the full post in the attached file

    ………………………………………………

    The real, physical resurrection of Jesus Christ was not only witnessed by the Apostles, it was also written donr by one of them, apostle Luke too, the account we can all read today in the Bible but God on top of that now has given his holy spirit as a witness of this reality to all those who truly believe him too

    Acts 1:1 IN THE former account [which I prepared], O Theophilus, I made [a continuous report] dealing with all the things which Jesus began to do and to teach
    Acts 1:3 To them also He showed Himself alive after His passion (His suffering in the garden and on the cross) by [a series of] many convincing demonstrations [unquestionable evidences and infallible proofs], appearing to them during forty days and talking [to them] about the things of the kingdom of God.
    Acts 1:4 And while being in their company {and} eating with them, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem but to wait for what the Father had promised, Of which [He said] you have heard Me speak.
    Acts 1:5 For John baptized with water, but not many days from now you shall be baptized with (placed in, introduced into) the Holy Spirit.
    Acts 1:6 So when they were assembled, they asked Him, Lord, is this the time when You will reestablish the kingdom {and} restore it to Israel?
    Acts 1:7 He said to them, It is not for you to become acquainted with {and} know what time brings [the things and events of time and their definite periods] or fixed years and seasons (their critical niche in time), which the Father has appointed (fixed and reserved) by His own choice {and} authority {and} personal power.
    Acts 1:8 But you shall receive power (ability, efficiency, and might) when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be My witnesses in Jerusalem and all Judea and Samaria and to the ends (the very bounds) of the earth.

    Acts 2:3 And there appeared to them tongues resembling fire, which were separated {and} distributed and which settled on each one of them.

    Acts 2:16 But this is [the beginning of] what was spoken through the prophet Joel:
    Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels] and your young men shall see visions (divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream [divinely suggested] dreams.
    Acts 2:18 Yes, and on My menservants also and on My maidservants in those days I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels and predicting future events pertaining especially to God’s kingdom].

    Acts 2:21 And it shall be that whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [invoking, adoring, and worshiping the Lord–Christ] shall be saved.

    Acts 2:38 And Peter answered them, Repent (change your views and purpose to accept the will of God in your inner selves instead of rejecting it) and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of {and} release from your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
    Acts 2:39 For the promise [of the Holy Spirit] is to {and} for you and your children, and to {and} for all that are far away, [even] to {and} for as many as the Lord our God invites {and} bids to come to Himself.

  9. What does it really mean to follow Jesus Christ? to be a Christian!

    (Luke 14:28 KJV) For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. 31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? 32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

    Following after God means just that and it does not mean you follow after some man or women, his or her teachings instructions for you for sure, or merely join any church immediately, nordoes it mean you have to learn Greek, or go immediately to a Bible school, Bible college, unless God tells you specifically !

    (Luke 14:26 KJV) If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

    (Luke 14:27 KJV) And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

    (Luke 14:33 KJV) So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

    Many of us have heard, or seen the evangelist Billy Graham requesting people to come to God.. so what does it mean to come to God and follow Jesus Christ? Does it mean doing my best following after Christ’s teachings, as found in the Bible? going to church too? or does it even require a lot more than that?

    No one is too bad so as not to be able to be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven who is willing to humble himself, admit his sis, repent, turn from his or hers wicked past ways, and is willing to do good solely next.

    (John 15:4 KJV) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
    5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
    6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
    7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
    8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
    9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
    10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
    11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
    12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
    13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
    14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
    15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
    16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
    17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
    18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
    19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
    20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
    21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.
    22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
    23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
    24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
    25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
    26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
    27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

    (John 10:27 KJV) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    (John 10:29 KJV) My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

    Do see also
    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/learing-to-listen-to-the-voice-of-the-lord/
    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/our-god-speaks-too/
    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/anointed/
    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/anointed-continued/
    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/laying-of-hands-impartation-breathe-of-the-spirit-anointings-anointed/
    http://pbulow.tripod.com/

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