Dispensationalist , Plymouth Brethren

 
The Dispensationalist , Plymouth  Brethren false views on sins, accountability, grace, Israel and much more too is an undeniable fact even if they lie and try falsey to say it is Authentic Christianity, or the Good News, the Gospel, that for sure it is not! In the Western  world today, too many Brethren Christians dare not walk openly or share their faith “for fear of the Jews” and others , but not all of them. (Prov 28:1 KJV)  The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/05/30/the-revisionists/
 
Plymouth Brethren it seems they  like to hide from what they really are and teach..  They say the want to be known as the  “No Name Christian Church”, but they are often called  “PB Church”, “PBer’s”, “The Brethren Church”, “Darbyites” and such like.  The history books often refer to them as Plymouth Brethren or those who started the Plymouth Brethren movement.  This Plymouth Brethren label came to be used in the early 1800s because an assembly of Christians gathered in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in Plymouth England had a number of gifted preachers that traveled and preached throughout the country and because they were from the town of Plymouth, people would often refer to them as one of those brethren from Plymouth. 
 
While the Brethren even say they Believe the Bible is the Word of God, they too  clearly do have this unholy, desperate and complicated need to reinterpret almost every  passages of the Bible suitable to their own liking. It is impossible to give a concise, succinct definition of Dispensationalism today because of the many changes among dispensational teachers. There is more than one view of Dispensationalism today. Therefore, the old definition found in the Scofield Bible is no longer accurate or adequate: “A dispensation is a period of time during which a man is tested in respect of obedience to some specific revelation of the will of God” (Scofield Reference Bible, p. 5, note 4 )so  it is impossible to give a concise and succinct definition of Dispensationalism, and if Darby, Scofield, or even Chafer were to return today, they would be bewildered by the widely divergent stances of those still called dispensationalists. So clearly Dispensationalism cannot be defined as a return to the new testament biblical, beliefs, doctrines any longer too. “Darby and many others Brrthren had held that the church of God would escape the days of the end [i.e., the days of the great tribulation]; Newton, Tregelles, George Müller, and others believed the church will go through that period; R. C. Chapman, Groves, and Lady Powerscourt thought that not all believers will share in the first resurrection and the millennial kingdom…. “

Because of the dogmatic insistence of Darby and his followers that others heed their instructions, which they felt to be the Spirit’s leading, they reaped divisions in abundance

Too many relgious groups who still do  teach unacceptable falsehoods try to proclaim also that they are real Christians other wise who would even listen to them ,even their false Gospel of the dispensational method of interpretation of the Bible. Yes  many other relgious groups falsey also try to say that they are Christians now including the clearly  false cults of Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses, and the other even once called real Christians Churches who have basically departed from  the  true faith in Jesus Christ such as the  Anglican, the Catholics, Mennonites and some of the others too.

The false churches and Cults are classic experts in brainwashing techniques.  Jehovah’s Witnesses is another cult that uses brainwashing techniques with great success. Any member who dares to leave the organization is shunned by close family members, and this intimidation is as intense as one can possibly imagine. Divorce,  isolation,  Shunning is a masterful false bondage technique.

Another false group are the Messianic Jews. The modern day Judaizers in the Christian church are those in the “Torah Keeper” movement. Many Christian churches falsely teach that the old testament Commandments also do apply today. This false doctrine of theirs is not  baffling since they want to falsely keep and exalt their old culture, cultural beliefs, and are not willing to pay the price to follow after Jesus Christ alone,  and all of the  Scripture written by the Apostle Paul for the church today is clearly against it too. They come up with twisted explanations and they clearly also now do  fall into false teaching. They falsely believe that legalism is the only method possible for a person to resist a sinful lifestyle. These church Pastors, Ministers and Reverends ignore the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit in the born again believer. The Apostle Paul taught that legalism is doomed to failure. Submitting to the guidance of the Holy Spirit actually fulfills the requirements of the ritual, sacrificial Law too. Legalistic preachers typically don’t accept repentance from members in the church. The repentant member is simply kicked out no matter what he does. This unbiblical practice of expecting all members to be perfectly sinless leads to denial of sin throughout the congregation. The denial of sin results in a sinful pride, a pattern of lying and a refusal to admit or repent of anything.  All legalists lead people away from the gospel and away from Christ by focusing on their legalistic false doctrines and works instead of the gospel.” 

Dispensationalists like also to  teach that all who place their faith and trust in Jesus Christ are immediately placed by the Holy Spirit into one united spiritual body, the Church, because  they not only want to corrupt, influence other Christians it would be unthinkable for them to admit they have false doctrines, and can be rightfully excluded from the true believers in Jesus Christ.

  Dispensational theology breaks Scripture into separate parts (really into separate revelations), each applicable for a limited time and a limited audience. The growth of DISPENSATIONALISM coincided with a break  away church that supported  a supposedly changing, accommodating, developing God.  Dispensationalists denies the contractual  covenant  duties of the people of God. Dispensationalists holds that the complete Old Testament was no longer binding. DISPENSATIONALISM also falsely teach that the teachings of the  the New testament Gospels are not binding to any Christians because they rather pertain to the future. Dispensationalists falsely also say Christ’s death was His alternative  plan “B” after the Jewish people rejected His attempt to establish His earthly Kingdom, and that He will come back and try it again later. Dispensationalists also falsely try to  tells the true church that we are in a parenthesis, a holding period, until Christ returns to set up His Jewish Kingdom and Israel is the center fold of the Bible.. While Jesus himself had said my kingdom is not of this world.. DISPENSATIONALISM  was, and is a false foundation on which the believers in the church can only be led astray from the truth of God, and his word to us.

The three general views of Dispensationalism:

-There is what is called hyper-Dispensationalism. One of their distinctives is the teaching that the Church did not begin until the middle of the Book of Acts.

-There are those who are called classical dispensationalists. C.I. Scofield, Lewis Sperry Chafer and others of the old school would come under this designation. They held that Israel is on earth and the Church is in heaven and the twain shall never meet.

-The neo-dispensationalist view is promoted by such leaders as Charles C. Ryrie, Dwight Pentecost and Zane Hodges. They hold that the Church and Israel shall come together after the millennium. They differ from the old dispensationalists, in that they teach that saints in the Old Testament were saved by faith.

Each of these views has many distinctives and differences from the others, and it is not at all a basic, simple, straightforward, unified belief,  Gospel as the Brethren try too often to mislead others to believe in too.

While the Plymouth Brethren even say they Believe the Bible is the Word they have clearly seem to like to eradicate, explain away the Bible references to personal  judgement, reaping, sins, Hell, damnation, and I often still do wonder why? what are they hiding? are fearful of? the real truth? It is true that there have been many dispensationalists who have not embraced selective-resurrection or chastisement at the judgment seat.

Most Christians  still don’t seem to realize that because of Israel’s disobedience, God is finished with national Israel. Let’s look at what Jesus had to say to the nation of Israel:

 Matthew 21:18-19  Now in the morning, when He returned to the city, He became hungry. 19 And seeing a lone fig tree by the road, He came to it, and found nothing on it except leaves only; and He said^ to it, “No longer shall there ever be any fruit from you.” And at once the fig tree withered.

In reality  The Church Is the full replacement for Israel Now. That   sums up the heart of real, valid theology, that the Christian church is heir of the promises to and the responsibility of the Hebrew nation of old. When God blessed Abraham in Genesis 22:17—18, He promised: “[T]hy seed shall posses the gate of his enemies.” In Matthew 16:18, after Peter confessed faith in Jesus Christ as the Messiah, Christ said, “[U]pon this rock [this profession of faith] I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Abraham’s seed was promised the gate of his enemies, and then Christ promised His church they would occupy the gates erected by hell itself. Another aspect of that promise to Abraham was that in Him all nations would be blessed. That blessing is Jesus Christ and His salvation. But who is now commanded to teach and baptize “all nations” in the Great Commission? The church, the people of Jesus Christ, who are heirs of Abraham’s faith.

There is a great disagreement within Christiandom as to who the “Israel of God” is. Does this refer to the nation Israel or to the Church of Jesus Christ? How you answer this question is very important. If you are going to understand the Bible and its promises, you must understand who “Israel” is. What we believe influences how we behave. What Christian leaders teach about the Jews and Arabs influences how Christians view the events unfolding in the Middle East. I also believe that there is a direct connection between the church’s view of Israel and terrorism.  A wrong view of Israel   affects  the  foreign policy negatively  also. Because of the even  false Dispensationalism and the false  Christian Zionism, most American Christians believe that we have a biblical mandate to stand with and protect Israel in spite of any of the unacceptable bad things Israel itself now does too The Dispensationalist, as well as the Zionist, falsely believes that the nation of Israel is still God’s chosen people, the sole inheritors of God’s promises, and that to be a part of Israel, one must be of the proper lineage and nationality.  Zionism is not a Christian Movement but a political movement built on the belief that the Jewish people still do deserve by right to possess all of the land of Palestine . Israel too as their own. Christian Zionism is essentially a Christian prophetic support for Zionism; seeing the modern state of Israel, and the equivalent of the old testament biblical Israel. Christian Identity teaches a similar idea that Israel is actually composed of the descendants of the ten “lost tribes” that became the Anglo-Saxon and Germannic peoples. According to this view, to be a part of “Israel,” one must be of this fleshly lineage.  There is absolutely no new testament reverences, verses of support for any of this This is all unbiblical per the New testament now as well, for, just as with Dispensationalism, the emphasis is placed upon the flesh and temporal, instead of upon the Spirit and the eternal. Put another way, according to these systems of doctrine, the focus is taken from the cross of Jesus Christ, and is instead placed upon the merits of man. And that makes it all false too. http://www.preteristplanet.com/id79.html

There are too many false evangelical religious groups  who try to seduce others by their false MISLEADING STATEMENTS.
 
When someone one says to me, others, on the net that they believe the Bible is the word of God, they believe Jesus is God and He is an equal  part of the Trinity, they believe in the Holy spirit now as being a person as well,  but they next do  deny falsely the existence of the the Holy Spirit’s  spiritual, charismatic gifts, they now are still lying, falsely  playing on words, because you cannot accept Jesus Christ and reject the Holy Spirit and his gifts. The Holy Spirt is the Spirit  of Christ. Thus they really are not Christians, for how could the Holy Spirit now be even guiding them and leading them into all truth when they cannot be led by him into these basics even.. rather they are being led by the devil, others, mere men, and not God undeniably still too.

 The hypocritical  Plymouth brethren falsely want to maintain that they are Christians,  a part of the Body of Christ Universal , when it is also clearly undeniable they are nor only the the dispensationalists. Plymouth brethren  and the   dispensationalists, Plymouth brethren   also falsely do  bash, try to discredit, do abuse the Pentecostal Christians who they falsely  claim now are not even Christian. Not one persons in decade has even rightfully showed me why I am not a Christian even though I am also a Pentecostal one too now.

Dispensationalists who now say that salvation is wholly of God by grace on the basis of the redemption of Jesus Christ, the merit of His shed blood, and not on the basis of human merit or works falsely exclude any future personal; accountably too.

The brethren falsely  would like us to belief that even the en commandments are not applicable to us today, and yet James judges the belief, the applicable faith  of other supposedly Christians by them still too.
 
James 2:5  Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6  But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7  Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8  If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9  But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10  For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11  For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12  So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13  For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath showed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
14  What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15  If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17  Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
(Mat 19:16 KJV)  And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17  And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18  He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19  Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20  The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 
Instead of rightfully here too taking Jesus words at face value, like they do with too many things, the Brethren have their own false re explanations, interpretations..
 
(Gal 6:7 KJV)  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
  
(Gal 6:8 KJV)  For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
  
(Gal 6:9 KJV)  And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
  
(Gal 6:10 KJV)  As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

  The rather first Christian dispensationalist we seem to tend to know is the heretic Apostle Judas even one of the 12 original Apostles

(Mat 13:22 KJV)  He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

(Mark 4:19 KJV)  And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

(John 8:23 KJV)  And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

(John 18:36 KJV)  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

(1 Cor 1:20 KJV)  Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

(1 Cor 2:6 KJV)  Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

(1 Cor 3:19 KJV)  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

(1 Cor 7:31 KJV)  And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.

(2 Cor 4:4 KJV)  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

(Eph 2:2 KJV)  Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

(Eph 6:12 KJV)  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

(Rev 11:15 KJV)  And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 (Rev 1:5 KJV)  And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

(Rev 19:10 KJV)  And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

(Rev 22:16 KJV)  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

(Rev 22:20 KJV)  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

(Rev 22:21 KJV)  The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

 I also came to the conclusion that the King James Bible is the best version available in the English language today for Bible study, easy reference too. The Bible publishing world is presently involved in a high stakes monetary race to come out with, so called, “newer and better” versions of the English Bible. And, what is their motive? There are countless versions of the English Bible on store shelves today. Is the English language changing so fast that we need a newer translation than the one that came out last month or last year? I think not. They seem to like to push  a different doctrine, and have just as many errors next  it seems as they one they had originally claimed to try to correct.  

I also do believe that God inspired the original writings of the Bible, which are called the autographa. There are many verses that teach this. Here are two key verses that I want you to see…
 
The more important Question is, do you and I really believe it is the word of God or are you looking for another Bible  translation to justify some of your immoral acts, and/or wrong beliefs still too?!

2 Peter 1:20-21 “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation (that is, they did not originate with man). 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

But, there is also the matter of verbal preservation of the apographa (copies of the originals). I believe that God has preserved His Words in the copies of those original writings in the Hebrew Masoretic Text of the Old Testament and the Traditional Text (Textus Receptus) of the New Testament.

I have FAITH that the God who inspired the original autographs can and did preserve the apographs so that we can say, “Thus saith the Lord; This IS the Word of God” when we hold up our King James Bibles.

https://postedat.wordpress.com/?s=Plymouth++Brethren
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-false-dispensationalists-dispensationalism/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/zionism-zionists/

http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/even-as-to-the-promised-land/

 
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  1. This was the last published work of Daniel Steele and appeared in The Methodist Review, Vol. 93 (May, 1911): 405-415. Introduction by Dr. Vic Reasoner
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    There are two theories of Christian eschatology. The first is that the present dispensation of the Holy Spirit will continue till all nations shall be evangelized, “the fullness of the Gentiles be come in,” drowning out the unbelief of the Jews till “all Israel shall be saved.” After this period of gospel triumph Christ will wind up the probationary history of the human race by the simultaneous resurrection of the good and the bad and the general judgment, assigning them to their eternal destinies. The second theory is that the purpose of Christ’s second coming is to set up for the first time his kingdom on the earth, reigning in person on the throne of David in Jerusalem for a thousand years, attended by a bodyguard of angels and by the risen and glorified saints, the most eminent of whom Christ, the Imperator, will appoint as governors of the various countries of the globe, ruling over mortals who are eating and drinking, sowing and reaping, marrying and bearing children; meanwhile thousand are converted in a day, the Jews first, as suddenly as Saul of Tarsus, and all rushing to the Holy City, and thence into all the world, preaching the true Messiah. This theory is called premillennialism, which, for the sake of brevity, we may call chiliasm, a Greek term preferred by the Reformers. We propose to show that this scheme, having elements at once fascinating the carnal mind and attracting a certain class of truly spiritual people who “love his appearing” is at variance with the Holy Scriptures, proceeding upon crude, arbitrary, and false principles of interpretation, and dodging their absurd, yet legitimate, results; a system lacking coherence, making no provision for some of the most important future events in the history of our race, and painfully imperiling some of the most precious Christian doctrine.

    1. The whole system is based on a foundation wholly insufficient – a single text of Scripture; a fact which justifies very grave suspicion, especially when that solitary text, Rev. 20:1-8, is in the book the most figurative, the most misunderstood, in the whole range of literature; so that it is an established maxim that “the Apocalypse either finds its interpreter mad or makes him so.” There is no hint of the second advent of Christ till the general judgment in verse 11. The angel who imprisons Satan is not Christ, who is never thus called. The saints who reign with him are not said to reign with him on the earth. Every spiritual victory is through unification with Christ. He is not said to reign with the saints, but, rather, the saints with him, in heaven, by faith. Thus says Wesley (who is falsely claimed as a chiliast), copying Bengel, whom he styled “that great light of the Christian world.” Both insist that the martyrs “live and reign, not on the earth, but with Christ.” “Live” does not necessarily imply a bodily resurrection, as we will show further on.

    2. Chiliasm is grounded on the erroneous assumption that the kingdom of Christ will not be established till the King visibly descends from heaven; that John was mistaken when in the wilderness he preached, “The kingdom of heaven is at hand”; and that when Jesus said to Pilate, “My kingdom is not of this world,” he was thinking of the throne of David in Jerusalem, on which, after nineteen hundred years, he would sit in visible regal splendor a thousand years, literally the Lord of the whole earth; and that the Jews were thus seemingly justified in rejecting the Messianic kingdom – which the chiliasts tell us was not a real kingdom but only a preparation for it, “as a means to an end,” and that the prophecies relating to that kingdom are yet to be fulfilled. They forgot Peter’s emphatic conclusion, “THEREFORE let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God hath made this same Jesus whom ye crucified, both LORD and CHRIST.” This obviously cuts up chiliasm by the roots. Nay, it places the premillennialist and the unbelieving Jews in the same class, both holding the same error, which they set themselves to overthrow; asserting that Christ’s victory over death was not the beginning of his spiritual kingdom, as that grand old formula of worship indicates, the Te Deum Laudamus, called a hymn, a prayer, and a creed: “When thou hadst overcome the sharpness of death thou didst open the kingdom of heaven to all believers.”(1) This kingdom of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit is administered by Christ, enthroned above, through the Paraclete sent down from the Father through his intercession. He now has “the key of the house of David” – the key is the symbol of power. He is now on the throne of David “to order his kingdom in righteousness.” The government is now upon his shoulder. “He is the Prince of life” now. We have not space to quote the many texts which express or imply the present Kingship of our adorable Saviour.

    3. The general resurrection gives chiliasts much trouble in several particulars. They claim that the millennium will far exceed the present dispensation in the numbers of converts, who are to be multiplied in a wholesale kind of way. But what will be done with them? The Scriptures abundantly prove that the church will be complete at the second coming of its Head. The church is his bride, which he will present to himself as his own at his coming.(2) These texts demonstrate the completeness of the church at Christ’s coming. Those who demur quote the highly figurative portions of the Old Testament prophecy and their cognate, the Apocalypse. But that is a vain recourse, since it is an old maxim in theology that “doctrines are not to be built upon prophetic or symbolic scripture.” So embarrassed have been some modern chiliasts by this difficulty, arising from the absolute completeness of the church at the second advent precluding conversions thereafter, that they have invented two kinds of Christians: an A Number 1 brand, the Bride of Christ, and an A Number 2 sort, who sustain a less intimate and honorable relation. This is the absurdity to which our chiliastic friends are driven, rather than admit that there is not the shadow of a New Testament proof that one sinner will be converted after the second coming of Christ. To take this horn of the dilemma is to abandon their entire theory.

    4. But the simultaneous resurrection of all the dead at Christ’s future coming affords no place for the subsequent millennium. To relieve this perplexity, two resurrection are invented – that of the righteous, when the judge descends, and that of the wicked, a thousand years afterward, for which the chiliasts quote Rev. 20:11-15, their only proof. That this refers to the wicked only, they cite the first clause of verse 5, “But the rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished.” This is not in the Sinaitic, the oldest Greek MS., nor in the Syriac version. In the other MSS. And version this short sentence has eight variations. This interpolation is injected between “this” and the antecedent to which it refers, interrupting the current of the style. To prove that only the wicked are here raised it is said that the sea gives up only the wicked dead, and the book of life is a blank book, a very unusual register in a court of justice in need of positive testimony. That the dead – the good and the bad – arise together is proven by many scriptures. “And many [an Orientalism for “all”] that sleep in the dust shall awake; some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” This is paralleled in John 5:28, “The hour cometh when all who are in their graves shall hear his voice and come forth, they that have done good . . . and they that have done evil,” etc. Here is unquestionable simultaneousness. If we hesitate to say that the expression, “I saw the dead, small and great standing before the throne,” does not imply the entire human race raised from the death together, then what Augustine says of it is true: “If we deem this obscure, we ought not to seek or find anything clear in the Holy Scriptures.” The contemporaneous resurrection of “both the just and unjust” is asserted by Paul in Acts 24:15, and in the Areopagus he declared that “God has appointed a day in which he will judge the world,” µ, the inhabited earth. In order to find a place for the millennium after the second coming of Christ and the Judgment Day it is said that that event will occupy a thousand years, one day with the Lord, who will judge, or rule, the whole day and at its close will raise and judge the wicked. This implies two different meanings to this verb, as “governing” is a social term, while “judging” is individual; the two things cannot be included in one idea – the control of masses of men at the present time and a judicial inquiry into the past acts of an individual soul. If you take the former, you have no Judgment Day; if the latter, you have no blissful millennium. The only text which is quoted in proof of the resurrection of the saints before the thousand years is this figurative scripture in which “lived” is regarded as a literal resurrection, “I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, . . . and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. This is the first resurrection.” We cannot interpret this resurrection as other than metaphorical, for the following reasons: (1) Only souls were seen. “Lived” does not necessarily indicate physical life; it sometimes means blissful life, well-being, as when Christ says, “Because I live, ye shall live also.” These souls were first under the altar crying, in distress, for vengeance, wholly unlike Jesus on the cross and Stephen when stoned praying, “Father, forgive them.” The figurative view relieves this scene. They are praying for the downfall of persecuting paganism and the triumph of the cause for which they were slain during ten merciless imperial persecutions, from Nero to Diocletian. Then when Constantine declared Christianity the official religion of the empire, A. D. 325, the prayer of these martyred souls was answered and they were happy, indeed, they lived; they arose from underneath the altar and sat upon the throne. This is the first resurrection of these souls not yet enswathed in their glorified bodies. This exegesis alleviated the cry for vengeance which is not against persons, but against a cruel system of idolatry then banished forever. Moreover, it shows the difficulty of the chiliasts to account for the resurrection of the many myriads of millions who became saints during the millennium, since by their theory only the wicked would be raised at its close. When will these saints be raised? The chiliast has no answer. Yet a still greater perplexity is the question, How can the millennial saints escape the second death, seeing that they have no part in the first resurrection? If it is literal, they must be excluded from salvation. This is the only alternative. The phrase “second resurrection” is not found in God’s Word, for the good reason that there is but one literal resurrection. Moreover, the chiliasts have no end to generation on the earth. Some say they will continue an eternal succession.

    Difficulties thicken as we apply literalism to the study of the words “and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” If this means that their happy souls with Christ will rejoice over the long period of prosperity enjoyed by the church on the earth before a period of spiritual decline, there is no difficulty. But to say that risen and glorified saints are to live and reign with Christ for a period of only a thousand years is totally unlike the language of Scripture in every other place, which assures us that we are to be forever with the Lord. This difficulty is relieved by that figure of speech which applies resurrection to a revived cause, as did Ezekiel in his vision, and Paul to the final conversion of the Jews as “life from the dead.”

    5. We are told by the chiliasts that the saving of souls is to go on upon the earth after the Redeemer’s second appearing. If this be true, all the means of grace will continue. The scaffolding of a building is kept up till the edifice is completed; but if it is removed, we rightly infer that the work is finished. In awakening sinners what is the most effectual motive? The coming of Christ, “revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, … who shall punish with everlasting destruction … them that obey not the gospel.” “The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night.” “The Son of man cometh when ye think not.” “As it was in the days of Noah, … even thus shall it be when the Son of man shall be revealed.” The futurity of the coming of Christ is everywhere urged as a motive to repent. This motive can be of no avail after this solemn and decisive event is past. In the training of disciples and the development of Christian character the same motive is urged: “Occupy till I come.” “Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord.” “The Lord … shall give the crown … to all them that love his appearing.” Such incentives to holiness abound. Faith rests upon the first coming of our Saviour and hope looks forward to the second, the crisis and consummation of the state of grace. He says, “My reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” No such motives to purity will exist after Christ’s advent. Thus one half of the Bible will be as useless to sinners as a last year’s almanac, and the other half be as worthless to saints. It is “a light shining in darkness until the day dawn,” and not beyond.

    6. The ordinance of baptism, which, though not saving, is a channel of grace to the penitent believer, does not extend beyond the end of the world, or age. “Go ye and disciple all nations, baptizing them, teaching them, … and, lo, I am with you always even tot he end of the world.” This will leave no outward public sign of renouncing the devil and all his works and of allegiance to King Jesus. Baptism breaks the caste of the Hindu and levels the proud Brahmin down to the sweeper. The Scriptures give no hint of a substitute for this initiatory, sealing ordinance in the millennium after Christ shall come. Nor is there any substitute for “teaching” after that decisive event. This includes preaching as well as Bible classes and Sunday schools. The Lord’s Supper, a very precious channel of grace, will share the fate of baptism, and disappear at the descent of its Founder, “For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord’s death till he come.” The word “till” does not necessarily exclude this ordinance beyond the coming, but it certainly indicates that Jesus had not idea of a church on the earth after his advent. He was not a chiliast. He did not derange the symmetry of his gospel and subvert the whole economy of evangelical motives and nullify his own ordinances a thousand years before they ceased to be effective in building up and beautifying human character as the premillennialists do by dislocating and eviscerating every text relating to the coming of our Lord. Afterward these ordinances will be out of date as well as the grace with which they are identified. Hence the millennium cannot be a Christian era, the institutes of the gospel having become obsolete. Says Mr. Brooks, whom I have heard, “The Holy Scriptures would, for the most part, be rendered inapplicable to the then existing circumstances of men in the flesh, and there would be need of some further revelation from God.” Just so. This distinguished chiliast admits that the Bible would be a back number, or, to use his own words, “a dead letter, as much unsuited to the condition of mankind as they would be were they address to the angels of God”! Yet they will be valuable “as a memorial, like the pot of manna laid up in the ark.” Hence our Bibles will still have some slight value. It is better to keep them than to sell them to the ragman for a penny a pound. Yet Dr. McNeile warns us that some parts of the New Testament may “become obsolete, not to say false,” citing the strait gate and narrow way, “Be no conformed to this world,” “Come out from among them and be ye separate,” “The devil goeth about,” etc., as erroneous in the millennium. He kindly informs us respecting the issue of this new New Testament, “This communication we expect at the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” It is to be hoped that some who are inclined to this millennial scheme may, in view of its legitimate inferences, discover that it is utterly void of any scriptural basis. This will be seen still more clearly in our treatment of the next difficulty.

    7. The cessation of Christ’s intercessions at his second coming will terminate all the offices of the Holy Spirit on the hearts of men. As the Paraclete was sent down to do the work of Christ when he returned to his Father, he will withdraw when Christ returns to the earth in his glorified humanity. How can sinners repent of their sins, be born again, have assurance of sonship, and be sanctified, after the divine Reprover of sin, the Author of the new birth, the Witness of adoption, and the Sanctifier, has withdrawn from the earth? Chiliasts admit this withdrawal. Dr. A. J. Gordon, of blessed memory, as a chapter entitled, “The Ascent of the Holy Spirit,” of which the Scriptures say nothing, but they teach that his dispensation is the last on the earth. The connection between Christ’s continued work of the Spirit and for saving purposes, the continual intercession of Christ is shown in John 7:38-39; 14:16, 26, 36, and 16:7, 14; Acts 2:33; Titus 3:5-6. As the church will be complete when Christ comes, as we have shown, so the means of grace and the agencies of salvation will then terminate.

    8. We cannot adopt chiliasm because of the confusion and inconsistency respecting the kingdom of Christ manifest in the sayings of its advocates. Some of them teach it is not a growth, but a sudden miraculous creation; that the Christian Church has nothing to do with it; that Jesus will bring it from a far country; that, unlike the church, it will not be “a mixture of the good and the bad.” But the parables of Christ teach that the kingdom is a growth like the mustard plant, as assimilating principle like leaven, a moral mixture, good and bad fish in the net, drawn to the shore, and tares growing with the wheat till the harvest at the end of the world, which is synonymous with the second advent. The pessimistic doctrine is also taught that the church will wax worse and worse till Christ comes, and the chiliasts prove it, as they think, by the assertion that leaven is a corruption principle, forbidden by the ceremonial law. But Christ distinctly declares that the kingdom of God is like leaven, like a field sown with both wheat and tares, like a dragnet with good and bad fish, and that this mixture ends when the world ends at the coming of Christ to separate the wicked from the just and to wind up the history of mankind on the earth. This same doctrine is implied in the great commission and in all the great creeds of the church: the Apostolic, so called; Athanasian, Nicene, and the creeds which grew out of the Reformation, a doctrine utterly inconsistent with this error which has plagued every era of the church. But it has always been rejected by the sober exegetes and theologians in the various Christian councils.

    9. In order to wedge in the millennium between the coming of Christ and the end of probation, the Day of Judgment as well as the general resurrection must be broken into fragments and be strung along a thousand years. The Plymouth Brethren – of whom Dr. Carroll reports four sorts – deny that the persons of the saints will ever be judged, Christ having been judged and punished for them on the cross; but their works will be judged at the coming of Christ, to determine their rewards, in the form of offices which Christ will then distribute according to merit. Saint Paul may be king of England and emperor of India, and, to humble the Pope, Saint Peter may be king of Italy, the sham vanishing in confusion when faced by the genuine. The Greek word for “judgment” has two meanings: its proper signification of judgment and the condemnatory side of judgment, as in John 5:24 and 3:19, where the Revision is not so discriminating as the King James Version. But neither the denial of the judgment of a part of mankind nor the postponement of another part a thousand years can be harmonized with the Scriptures. See Matt 10:32-33, supplemented by Mark 8:38; thus proving that Christ’s confessing of his confessors, denying of his deniers, will be “when he comes in the glory of the Father with the holy angels.” In Rev 21:7-8, the overcomer and the coward are simultaneously judged. In Matt 16:24-27 the loser of his life for Christ’s sake and the savior of it are thus judged when the Son of man shall come, and then he shall reward every man according to his works. In Matt 7:21-23 we have the admission and the exclusion both at once, “in that day.” In 25:10 the virgins are judged in the same night, the foolish and the wise; verses 31-46, the most awful and solemn words in the whole range of literature, are too plain to be disfigured by any explanation. In 13:30, 38-43, the tares and the wheat; in Acts 17:31, an appointed day to judge the world; in Rom 2:5-16, “the day of wrath” to some, and of “glory” to others; 2 Cor 5:9-11, “all appear” and receive according to their deeds, “whether … good or bad”; see also 1 Cor 4:5 and 3:12-15; Col 1:28; Heb 13:17; 1 Thess 2:19-20. In Rom 14:10, 12 all stand before the judgment seat; see also 2 Pet 3:7, 10, 12.

    10. Finally, we raise the question, What would be the effect of preaching to sinners that the coming of Christ as a visible person, clothed with overwhelming majesty, not to judge and condemn the impenitent, but to set up a glorious earthly kingdom and to invite all men into it after having sentenced Satan to State prison for a term a thousand years long? Would it not furnish a motive to defer repentance because it would be easier when the world should be held in awe by the power and glory of the divine King who has suddenly set up his throne in Jerusalem, claiming universal dominion, and the devil’s business of tempting men to sin is suspended, so that two of the three great enemies to the Christian life are out of the way, leaving only the flesh to be vanquished? We think it would have this effect. Probation would not be ended, but extended under circumstances apparently more favorable to commencing the spiritual life. No doctrine, Joseph Cook used to say, which weakens the motives to immediate repentance can be inspired by the Spirit of truth. This doctrine would be especially obstructive of the conversion of the Jews, some of whom from their contact with American Christians are beginning to lay aside their hostility to the Nazarene and to claim him as a noble son of Abraham. Our city missionaries find one, now and then, who from a study of the New Testament is convinced that Jesus is the true Messiah, but from “fear of the Jews,” from dread of expulsion from the synagogue and of having his name erased by his father from his family register, shrinks from the public confession of Christ. Would not premillennialism be obstructive of this confession? Would he not think it best to wait till Christ shall be enthroned in Jerusalem and the Jews are hastening as fast as the crowded steamers will carry them to do him homage and hail him as their Messiah? We think he would take his chances of living till that event, when he can avoid persecution by going with the crowd into the kingdom. Such a conversion to Christi would not be a change of heart, but, rather, a change of politics. No man can exercise saving faith in a visible, glorified, triumphant, and world-ruling Messiah while retaining the spirit of hostility to the crucified Saviour. It would be the same as to say to him, “We believe in you because you have now come to our terms – making your advent as an all-conquering Deliverer, as you should have come at first.” Says Mr. Brooks, “There will be the open vision of Christ; the saints will continually have access to him.” Can faith and sight coexist? Are they not everywhere in the Scriptures contrasted?

    Having spoken in negative terms throughout this article, let me use positive terms. I believe the millennium is the present state of grace developed more widely and fully than in the early stages of the gospel, that its beginning and end will follow the law of all other great periods of church history, being uncertain and gradual, so excluding slothfulness and security and keeping the church full of missionary activity, but yet in the fitting attitude of expectancy, while nation after nation, like Ethiopia, “shall stretch out their hands unto God.”

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    1. See Acts 2:29-36

    2. See I Cor. 15:23; Eph. 5:25; I Thess. 1:10; 3:13.

    http://www.imarc.cc/prophecy/reasoner5.html

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    Sola Scriptura; Solus Christus; Sola Gratia. Sola Fide; Soli Deo Gloria!

    Over 3 decades ago I wrote to John F Walwood, to which he had also replied and said he was a liar the Bible did not support his dispensational false teaching, and to this date I have been fully right

    I find your response so typical brethren deceit.. try lying to some else with your false generalizations too. Read all I wrote for it is all undeniably true.

    >Most of what you wrote concerning the teachings of those you refer to as “Plymouth Brethren” is just not true.
    Most? of what I wrote , all I wrote is true.

    “The Dispensationalist , Plymouth Brethren false views on sins, accountability, grace, Israel and much more too is an undeniable fact even if they lie and try falsey to say it is Authentic Christianity, or the Good News, the Gospel, that for sure it is not! Plymouth Brethren it seems they like to hide from what they really are and teach.” –

    >I will first dispel your falsehood that we are hiding from what we really are and teach by writing this letter. I, we are not hiding anything. Below is a detailed description of what I, we teach and by grace seek to practice. Show me the “false views on sins, accountability, grace, Israel and much more.”

    NO I did that already so read all of my 6 reference posts at least..

    >As to the scriptural idea of dispensations, the apostle Paul believed in dispensations. “That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:” Ephesians 1:10

    here you quickly had proved your own deceit, you took one isolated verse, and made it a plural even

    >> What does scripture teach? Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? (1 Cor. 1: 10-13)

    and yet the brethren cause, practice, and have divisions amongst themselves from the start even.. one of the first being Rev George Muellar

    >>The truth of Scripture is this. All true believers are all of Christ. We declare it strongly and clearly, WE ARE ALL OF CHRIST, THAT IS, ALL WHO ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN! ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS ARE OF CHRIST AND SHOULD BE GATHERED IN NO OTHER NAME BUT CHRIST’S NAME.

    you are not true believers for you do not believe what the Bible, holy spirit says rather you reinterpret it to your liking,

    >So in accordance with scripture we only call ourselves by such names as are common to all true believers in Christ. Such as Christians, brethren, saints, believers and other such like names. There is never an excuse not to obey the word of God. We can and ought to obey, even if no one else will. We owe it to the One who redeemed us. What saith the Scriptures. For where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them. (Mat. 18:20) True Christians only have authority to be gathered together in one name. That name is the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and that name alone. This is authentic, primitive, as in original Christianity. This was the practice of the first century church.

    the same Jesus said I never knew you (Mat 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    >>When someone asks me who we are and how we describe ourselves, I tell them we are simply nothing more and nothing less than Christians gathered in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And we do so on the basis, ground and principal that there is only one body of Christ and that all true Christians are of Christ and are part of the one body.

    In reality 70 percent of people professing to be Christians are really not even born again, saved, they are still not even Christians, no they are not all Christians in a church like you lie. There are too many false brethren in this bunch of Christians you falsely like to lump as one, wolves in sheep clothing, like Judas the apostle

    >Over the years outsiders and historians have called us by names not of our choosing, but we have not and do not lay claim to any of them. The “No Name Church”, “PB Church”, “PBer’s”, “The Brethren Church”, “Darbyites” and such like. The history books often refer to us as Plymouth Brethren or those who started the Plymouth Brethren movement. This Plymouth Brethren label came to be used in the early 1800s because an assembly of Christians gathered in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in Plymouth England had a number of gifted preachers that traveled and preached throughout the country and because they were from the town of Plymouth, people would often refer to them as one of those brethren from Plymouth. Thus the label or designation Plymouth Brethren. It would be generally accurate to say that we are evangelical, dispensational, conservative and orthodox as to doctrine and practice.

    It would be rather generally accurate to say that you are sectarian, divisional, hate mongers, anti Pentecostals, liars and slanders too

    >>We teach that the Bible is the only infallible rule of faith and practice (Matt. 5:18; 24:35; John 10:35; 16:12, 13; 17:17; 1 Cor. 2:13; 2 Tim. 3:15-17; Heb. 4:12; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21) We teach that the Bible is God’s written revelation to man, and that the 66 books of the Bible given to us by the Holy Spirit constitute the inspired Word of God (1 Cor. 2:7-14; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21). We teach that the Word of God is verbally inspired in every word (2 Tim. 3:16), absolutely inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. We teach the literal, grammatical-historical-contextual-dispensational interpretation of Scripture. We teach that God spoke in His written Word by a process of divine and human authorship. The Holy Spirit so superintended the human authors that, through their individual personalities and different styles of writing, they composed and recorded God’s Word to man (2 Pet. 1:20, 21) without error in the whole or in the part (Matt. 5:18; 2 Tim. 3:16). We teach that, whereas there may be several applications of any given passage of Scripture, there is but one true interpretation.

    ha ha ha the Brethren one of course..

    >The meaning of Scripture is to be found as one diligently applies the literal, grammatical-historical-contextual-dispensational method of interpretation under the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit (John 7:17; 16:12-15; 1 Cor. 2:7-15; 1 John 2:20). The Scripture is its own best interpreter by comparing Scripture with Scripture. (1 Cor. 2:13) It is the responsibility of all believers to carefully search out the true intent and meaning of Scripture and that the Scriptures stand in judgment of men; never ought men stand in judgment of it. (Heb. 4:12,13)

    that is mere hypocrisy, for mind you the brethren insist you read their recommend commentaries.. follow only their teachers..

    >>We teach that the Holy Spirit administers spiritual gifts to the church.

    but you also add to the word of God and lying say all his gifts have now ceased,,

    >>All men are thus sinners by nature, by choice, and by divine declaration (Psa. 14:1-3; Jer. 17:9; Rom. 3:9-18, 23; 5:10-12)

    Including most of the brethren still too

    >>We teach that all the redeemed, once truely saved, are kept by God’s power and are thus secure in Christ forever

    which is contrary to the Bible
    http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/the-promises-of-eternal-life-by-jesus-christ/

    >>We teach that separation from evil is clearly called for throughout the Old and New Testaments, and that the Scriptures clearly indicate that in the last days apostasy and worldliness shall increase

    and anyone does not heed to dispensational teach is evil, Ch Spurgeoen, Rev George Muellar, me included ehh.

    is a continual pursuit of holiness (Rom. 12:1, 2; 2 Cor. 7:1; Heb. 12:14; Titus 2:11-14; 1 John 3:1-10).

    >We teach that all who place their faith and trust in Jesus Christ are immediately placed by the Holy Spirit into one united spiritual body, the church

    not in the brethren church for they are clearly still excluded for not being dispensationalist

    >We teach that the local assembly is autonomous and free from any central authority or control other than Christ who is the head of the Church.

    and you do still falsely and too often substitute next men ‘s teaching for the Christ’s.

    >>We teach that there were two kinds of gifts given to the early church: miraculous gifts of divine revelation and healing, given temporarily in the apostolic era for the purpose of confirming the authenticity of the apostles’ message ( 2 Cor. 12:12; Heb. 2:3, 4); and ministering gifts, given to equip believers for edifying one another. With the New Testament revelation now complete, Scripture becomes the sole test of the authenticity of a man’s message, and confirming gifts of a miraculous nature are no longer necessary to validate a man or his message (1 Cor. 13:8-12). Miraculous gifts can even be counterfeited by Satan so as to deceive even believers (Matt. 24:24). The only gifts in operation today are those non-revelatory equipping gifts given for edification (Rom. 12:6-8). We teach that no one possesses the sign gift of healing today but that God does hear and answer the prayer of faith and will answer in accordance with His own perfect will for the sick, suffering, and afflicted (Luke 18:1-8; John 5:7-9; 2 Cor. 12:6-10; James 5:13-16; 1 John 5:14, 15).

    That is all brethren dunk only.. not the word of God for my experience in the baptism of the Holy sprit is real and so are my speaking, praying in tongues , something you cannot talk about cause you have never firstly personal experienced it.,

    Like I said read all of my post they disprove all you believe in and often.
    “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, that the day of Christ is at hand.” — 2 Thess. 2:1,2.Apostle Peter tells us in his second letter (1.16,19-2.3): For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty …. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place …. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you ….(1 Tim 1:7 KJV) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.(Heb 5:12 KJV) For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

    http://monergist.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/95-theses-against-dispensationalism/
    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/how-to-pray-for-healing/

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