and it took me a while to next figure out what was wrong with a close, personal friend of mine, an evangelical pastor, and also with his associates now too in one of our local churches now too.. for he often had some of the right sounding words.. but some how I knew something was always obviously basically wrong.. it even was the fact he clearly was always now concerned about the Basics of life: food, clothing, shelter, job, image and too often rather.. their concern for having better material things… Hirelings or prostitutes to me it means the same thing.. sadly the last 12 pastors I had personally encountered where now hirelings! https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/about-those-hirelings-now-fleecing-the-sheep/
(Jer 6:27 KJV) I have set thee for a tower and a fortress among my people, that thou mayest know and try their way. 28 They are all grievous revolters, walking with slanders: they are brass and iron; they are all corrupters. 29 The bellows are burned, the lead is consumed of the fire; the founder melteth in vain: for the wicked are not plucked away. 30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.
Hey I admit even I too am dumb, slow to learn too sometimes as well..
Canada”s Prime Minister Stephen Harper is also certainly not a Christian leader role model that I would follow for in his reelection platforms he is a fear monger, uses too often scare tactics, he discriminates, is divisive, pits one citizen group against the other.
Fundamentals evangelists have been proven right, Alcohol is dangerous, leads also to cancer. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/drink-alcohol-and-die/
1 Peter 5 :8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
For all you naieve, seduced born again evangelicals who do still think that Stephen Harper is an evangelical Christian, most of you real Evangelicals do agree that drinking beer is an unacceptable sin but “Stephen Harper offers a pint of beer he poured at the Red Stag tavern during a campaign stop in Halifax, Thursday March 31, 2011”.
… Harper flunked the Christianity test even..
AS HE IS SELF CENTERED, DOES NOT REALLY CARE ABOUT OTHERS..
For all the fundamental evangelical Christians who say that PM Stephen Harper DOES NOT DRINK ALCOHOL.. HERE IS THE REALITY “VANCOUVER, B.C. – It seems U.S. President Barack Obama owes Prime Minister Stephen Harper a few cold ones. The two leaders had a friendly bet on the outcome of Sunday’s gold-medal Olympic hockey game. Team Canada came out on top, so Obama will have to pick up a 24-pack of Molson Canadian for the prime minister. Harper would have had to buy Obama a case of Yuengling beer if the U.S. had taken the top honour at the tournament. Team USA beat Team Canada in the first match-up between the two countries in the preliminary rounds, but Canada came out on top in a heart-stopping overtime round on Sunday. Harper was at the game in Vancouver but Obama did not make an appearance at the Olympics. The prime minister met with the gold medal winners in the locker room after the game to congratulate them. “
I ALSO REMEMBER WHEN THE LYING US PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE OBAMA SUPPORTER HAD SAID THAT CHRISTIAN OBAMA DOES NOT DRINK ALCOHOL..
I had attended a recent comical church service, New Beginnings Ministry 9412 Rue Clement Lasalle, QC H8R1T5 Phone: (514) 363-1080., a farcical circus, not the first time now too, where Stéphane Chauvette Associate Pastor was preaching about everything, bashing everyone else, but somehow he could not keep his own promises, his own word, or stay on a specific valid subject. And he made it clear if you rock his boat he will next also kick you off the ship.. The hypocritical, pretentious fundamental right winged evangelical pastor of this New Life Beginnings in LaSalle, Quebec Preaches next openly now for us not to believe any of the news media and for us not to have anything to do with any person who drinks wine, and to stand up against all of the people who do any wrong, to even openly speak to them, ( as long as it is not the pastor himself for sure) and yet he lied and says come and talk to me your pastor after church. I am always really interested to hear from you about all of your concerns but in reality when you do try to talk to him.. for next I thus told him that our PM stephen Harper the supposedly good Christian now drinks beer/wine.. well next the pastor really got upset at me.. since he himself cannot handle negative truths, he the ostrich no good pastor refused to further talk with me and said he was tired now, he refuses to hear any of that, he refuses to believe any of that, for that is all gossip, slanders, and also we do not allow anyone who causes disturbance, problems, gives any criticism in our church, so please leave now. So much for this supposedly Christ like church and their false professing Christian love, false brotherly love, their supposed openness now, and one’s free speech too..
(Acts 5:9 KJV) Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
(Heb 10:31 KJV) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(Heb 3:12 KJV) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
EVANGELCIAL PRIME MINISTER Stephen Harper : Canada
The Prime Minister is reputed to have a keen knowledge of rock music,
Loves rye (or beer) and hockey…
But the New Beginnings Ministry 9412 Rue Clement Lasalle, QC H8R1T5 Phone: (514) 363-1080., where the hireling Stéphane Chauvette Associate Pastor had falsely denied that Harper drinks Alcohol.. so REALLY NOW I cannot trust him, for he lies to me all the time for he cannot face reality
JUST CAUSE THEY STILL DO EVEN CONTINUE IN SIN DOINGS DOES NOT MEAN GOD HAS OVERLOOKED IT, FOR THERE WILL COME HERE ON EARTH A DAY OF INITIAL JUDDGEMENT ON IT BY GOD FOR ALL THEY DID.. AS WELL NEXT IN HEAVEN..
These HIRELINGS PREACHERS, leaders did not become wealthy by following the dream, instead they became wealthy by building up a group of people who believe passionately in the dream, and then selling dream-promoting wares to this captive audience. They did not become rich by selling toothpaste; they became rich by hyping dream-promoting books, tapes, DVDs, and conferences books, tapes, DVDs, and conferences, and t-shirts, and most ominously spiritual rewards and the FALSE PROMISE OF prevention of spiritual punishments to their own private market of dream believers. The dream INCLUDES A PERSONAL BLESSING OR A the prosperity gospel. Their captive market is their SUCKERS, their own congregation.. stupid people, fools trying still to buy their way into heaven.. sad..
(Mat 6:25 KJV) Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
(Luke 12:22 KJV) And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.
I have too often now encountered the hireling in the evangelical churches, you can spot them by their concerns for their housing allowance, filthy lucre, pension fund, and their begging for money ( Hab 2:4 KJV) Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. (Rom 1:17 KJV) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Heb 10:38 KJV) Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Do see https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/get-real-now/
(Mat 10:8 KJV) Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.And you will quickly discover there is very little if anything that is freely now given in his church too, on on his websites, but there are plenty of demands, opportunities for you to give your money.
This is also typical for many a Word of Faith/Prosperity/Healing ministry and it here too should come as no surprise. Books, tapes and conferences are featured on this website. Opportunities to make an offering or to become a “partner” are also offered..God punishes still the hirelings in his ministry...
(Job 7:1 KJV) Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?(Job 7:2 KJV) As a servant earnestly desireth the shadow, and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work:
(Isa 16:14 KJV) But now the LORD hath spoken, saying, Within three years, as the years of an hireling, and the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble.
(Isa 21:16 KJV) For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail:
(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
(Gen 2:16 KJV) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
(Ezra 2:68 KJV) And some of the chief of the fathers, when they came to the house of the LORD which is at Jerusalem, offered freely for the house of God to set it up in his place:
(Ezra 7:15 KJV) And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellors have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem,
(Psa 54:6 KJV) I will freely sacrifice unto thee: I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good.
(Hosea 14:4 KJV) I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
(Acts 26:26 KJV) For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
(Rom 3:24 KJV) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
(Rom 8:32 KJV) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
(1 Cor 2:12 KJV) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
(2 Cor 11:7 KJV) Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
(Rev 21:6 KJV) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
(Rev 22:17 KJV) And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
(2 Tim 4:10 KJV) For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; .
(John 10:12 KJV) But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
(John 10:13 KJV) The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep..
When Good Preachers Make Bad Pastors: Bringing Balance to Pastoral Ministry
Jim Pile Associate Pastor, Pastoral Care Grace Community Church
While preaching is an indispensable part of our role as pastors in shepherding people at a corporate level, shepherding people individually is just as vital in our work for the kingdom.
. Before we look at principles for shepherding others, we, as pastors can fail in ministry if we don’t keep building on the right “foundation.” What is that foundation? It’s the Word of God as it relates to our own lives. Before we can lead with excellence, we must walk in a manner worthy of our calling.
. Personal holiness is a foundational requirement for true and powerful spiritual leadership.
– 1 Peter 1:15-16 “But like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, ‘You shall be holy, for I am holy.'”
– “A minister may fill his pews, his communion roll, the mouths of the public, but what that minister is on his knees in secret before God Almighty, that he is and no more”
(John Owen, cited in I.D.E. Thomas, A Puritan Golden Treasury [Edinburgh: Bannerof Truth, 1977], 192).
. If personal holiness is a key to effective shepherding, then the following are some common temptations that pastors need to be on the alert for:
I. THE SHEPHERD’S TEMPTATIONS
– Watch out for coveting someone else’s success in ministry!
– Watch out for praise! People praise your sermons/voice/etc. You want more! This abnormal love of praise is a form of covetousness which is as fatal as the greed for money.
– Watch out for putting programs over people. “I’m awfully busy!”
– Don’t say to the invalid – “I’ll go tomorrow!”
– Don’t say to the grieving – My next project is more critical to work on today.
– Don’t say to the wandering sheep – “I’ll go after them later!”
– Watch out for desire for money or the lack of it.
– Beware making ministry choices based upon getting more money or else having a smoldering attitude toward the church because you don’t get paid enough. [Titus 1:7 – “not given to filthy lucre” (KJV).]
– Don’t become a “hireling” .lacking a shepherd’s heart.working for pay.eyes ever on his wages.his deepest motive is financial gain. His god is self.
– Paul in Acts 20:33-35 – “I have coveted no one’s silver or gold or clothes. You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my own needs and to the men who were with me. In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.'”
– Innate in the souls of men
– Leaders are ambitious men but beware:
o Loving prominence (Diotrephes, 3 John 9-10)
o Craving distinction
o Desiring exalted rank
We need to have the attitude of John the Baptist, “He must increase but I must decrease” (John 3:30).
– Beware being hardened by ministry.frustrations over people who don’t change.
“God’s people who treat you worse than the world.”
– Beware when no testimony thrills you anymore, no sermon moves you, no bookmotivates you, or you haven’t read one for quite some time.
6. Success/ Business
– Watch out when your church grows.more meetings, less devotions
– Don’t become CEOs; don’t become managers instead of ministers
– Beware more pragmatism than doctrine, more style than substance, more denominational politics than doctrine.
7. Sexual sin
– Beware sexual sin! It consumes ministers at an alarming rate!
– Statistics on Pastors/ Sexual Sin
. A survey conducted by Christianity Today of its readership in August 2000 revealed that 33% of clergy have visited a sexually explicit Internet site at least once within the past year, of which 53% have done so “a few times.” The survey also revealed that 18% had visited pornographic sites between “a couple of times a month” and “more than once a week” (Christianity Today, March 5, 2001, 44-45).
. 75% of pastors do not make themselves accountable to anyone for their Internet use. (“Leadership” Magazine, “Pastors and Internet Pornography,”
Winter 2001. 2000 Survey, 564 respondents)
. High number of pay-for-view pornographic videos at hotels hosting conferences for pastors. Remove the T.V.
8. Pride (God and people hate this sin the most.)
– Don’t ever think too highly of yourself and your gifts.
– James 4:6 “But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.”
– The greater the influence God gives a pastor, the greater he becomes in his own sight.
– “My ministry,” not God’s!
– Some new or strange doctrine that is not biblical.
“At every stage of our Christian development and in every sphere of our Christian discipleship, pride is our greatest enemy and humility our greatest friend” (John Stott, in Alive to God, p. 119).
. You know of ministers who have fallen or given in to some of these temptations. Within 5 years, ½ of seminary graduates drop out of ministry. Only 1 in 20 remain at 65 years old!
Some of you here today are struggling with some of these temptations. And if you are thinking “I’ll never fall to any of these temptations,” then you haven’t been in ministry for very long.
. Pastoral Epistles – In Paul’s instructions to Titus and Timothy, he mentions thirteen times that ministries were ruined by some of these temptations.
– In 1 Timothy
1:6 there were ministers who had “turned aside to fruitless discussion.”
1:19 some had “suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith.”
4:2 he warned of ministers filled with “the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron.”
6:4 he told Timothy to watch out for the minister who “is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions.”
6:5 Paul spoke of the hold money had on some ministers, for he says, they “suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”
6:20-21 he warned Timothy to avoid ministers characterized by “worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called ‘knowledge’ – which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith.”
– In 2 Timothy 1:15 Paul names two ministers (Phygelus & Hermogenes) who “turned away from me.”
2:16-18 he speaks of ministers whose “talk will spread like gangrene.” Then he names two such ministers (Hymenaeus & Philetus) “who have gone astray from the
3:5 he warns of ministers who are “holding to a form of godliness, although theyhave denied its power.”
3:8 these ministers are “men who oppose the truth.”
4:3-4 Paul speaks of ministers who will teach in accordance to the desires of people who “will not endure sound doctrine,” and will “tickle the ears” with myths instead of truth.
– In Titus 1:10-11 he described many ministers as “rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers,
. teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.”
1:16 he warned of ministers who “profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.”
PS and why does all of this remind me still of our professing Christian Prime Minister Stephen Harper now as well?
It was not a job at all that I had even wanted but God had now asked me to ask next personally many a crooked pastor in Canada to repent of stealing, adultery, slander, abuse of others, etc and yet 90 percent next had refused..
but next what really, really shocked me was to meet their wives next and when they saw me many of them started to frighteningly even to me shake in white terror.. for they also knew they were facing the terror of God, the judgment of God as well next.. Generally bad pastors are an Ananias and Sapphira affair…
for the one suggesting falsely I get professional help.. I got Jesus already as my counselor.
Are you related to the bad RCMP? For actually the persons who tend mostly to suggest professional help to me tend to be the bad RCMP and bad evangelical pastors, funny the correlation, and if you check the Canmore Court records you will see they the RCMP also said to me if you do not shut up, we will shut you up for good, I am still talking, and working to cut their pensions too. The 6 undeniable police visits, witnessed by others too now, the details are posted on the net, for years now too, the Conservative Premier Ernie Ewes who sent the police to my home lost re-election shortly after that too. What was in the one email that I had sent to the Ontario Premier that he did not want others to know? I asked him why he was sleeping with… ( a person that was someone else’s wife) .. I asked the same thing of the Calgary Mayor too… Just recently a person in Ottawa who took pictures of the police abusing a girl, he site crashed and the police harassed him as well.. I posted that on the net too. It occurs often the police state suppression.. I do not have to accept it and I do not.
>>Have you ever been seen by a psychiatrist?
Yes I have twice, it is on record too..
the first time he next said I should send Harper’s Calgary alliance pastor to him cause there was nothing wrong with me… I posted that on the net too
and the second time a different one said I should send the police to him.. the police had said I had to be crasy if I complain about the police.. the often social misfit alcoholics cops who cannot bear to see, hear the truth about themselves. 50 percent of persons in BC belive you cannot trust the RCMP.
and you think the big demonstration this week against police brutality in Montreal happened by chance? or due to real reasons?