Day: September 1, 2008

How the mighty have fallen.. A predicted battle Lines now too.

  

“Canadian Press   Anglican church dispute over Bible moves into new territory in Canada  VANCOUVER – The Bible battle that has been dividing Anglicans in Canada for more than a decade is moving into new territory, with a third court battle looming in a Vancouver court.  The battle over same-sex blessings specifically, and interpretation of the Bible generally, is splitting liberal and conservative Anglicans and the fight over church property ownership has already resulted in two interim court rulings – one in Ontario and one in British Columbia.  Now the Diocese of New Westminster has invoked a church bylaw to essentially fire the clergy at two otherVancouver-area churches and order them to leave the premises.  “We are faced with the situation of clergy in both parishes who have expressly rejected the Anglican Church of Canada as their home and have left the church, yet continue to occupy church buildings that are set aside for use by parishes in the Anglican Church of Canada,” says George Cadman, chancellor, or chief legal officer, for the diocese.  The bylaw, known as Canon 15, was used to dismiss clergy at St. Matthew’s in Abbotsford and at St. Matthias and St. Luke, in Vancouver.  These two churches are among at least 18 parishes in B.C., Ontario, Newfoundland and Manitoba who have left the Anglican Church in Canada and aligned themselves with more conservative Anglican groups in other parts of the world.  Dozens more parishes in the U.S. have left the church in the U.S. over the same issues.  Congregations at St. Matthew’s and St. Matthias and St. Luke voted in February to join the Anglican Network in Canada, which represents the dissidents who have aligned themselves with conservative Anglicans in the southern hemisphere.  In late May, the Diocese of New Westminster asked them to leave their premises, but they refused. The refusal prompted the diocese in recent days to try force their removal.  Apart from the seemingly irreconcilable differences on theology, the more practical dispute over exactly who owns the property remains to be settled.  Two previous interim court rulings in the Diocese of Niagara in Ontario, and the Diocese of British Columbia, on Vancouver Island, went against the dissidents.  In the Vancouver Island caseAnglican parishes in Victoria voted early this year to break away from the Anglican Church of Canada. They went to court to try to ensure that they not be kicked out. They lost.  “The plaintiffs have not, at this stage, established a strong case that they and their fellow parishioners who have elected to join the network are the beneficial owners of church property because they represent true Anglicans and the remaining parishioners do not,” the court ruled.  Cheryl Chang, a lawyer and legal director of the network says the judge “ordered us out at both churches and gave both churches to the diocese until full trial.”  The othe rinterim court ruling in Ontario in May concerned three breakaway Anglican parishes in the Diocese of Niagara.  The court ordered them to share the premises but two decided instead to conduct Sunday services at new locations.  If the dispute can’t be resolved without litigation, Chang expects the New Westminster case to begin in the fall.  But the outcome of a full trial to decide ownership of the churches could go still go either way.  The issues are complex.  “There has been an acknowledgment in Ontario and B.C. that the trust case (who owns the properties) still has to be argued,” says Chang.  She argues that St. Matthew’s, and St. Matthias and St. Luke are independent entities under provincial legislation.  “We don’t recognize (the Diocese of New Westminster) and their authority to simply ignore the constitution and bylaws of the parish corporations,” she says.  The Anglican Church in Canada and the Diocese of New Westminster take the position that all parish property belongs to the church.  In the court case in Victoria, says Chang, the judge sided with the mainstream diocese because the properties were “registered in the name of the diocese.” But in regards to St. Matthew’s and St. Matthias and St. Luke, she says they are “corporate entitities holding title to the properties.”  Cadman and Chang both suggest they would like to avoid a major court case on the ownership issue.  “We’ve offered to sit down with them and talk about this but at this point we’ve been rebuffed,” says Chang.  New Westminster, says Cadman, also favours another resolution “but on the other hand the current situation can’t be tolerated.”  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080831/national/anglican_dispute

A REALLY Sad state of affairs, SUPPOSEDLY CHRISTIANS NOW openly   disputing in public but  now in the courts too.. a false attempt by gays for relgious, Biblical,  Christian Church acceptance for their wrong lifestyle still too.

  

Here is what I know for sure in Canada proper policing, management ,  supervision  human rights commissions are a real fact of life, society, in schools, life,  in churches, governments, commerce, institutions, civil and public services, professional services too,  and elsewhere, even on the net,  for you will always have those 30 percent at least of the persons who will try to cheat, lie  , steal, bend the rules, falsely believe they are above the laws, Self  regulation alone is too often pretentious, farcical, often not applied as well. That applies especially to the professionals, civil and public services, police, municipalities, politicians now as well..

http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/homosexuality/

Redeemed 10 ways to get out  http://www.venusmagazine.org/
Groundbreaking’ study shows ‘gays’ can change  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp
Focus on the Family       http://www.family.org/socialissues/
Stephen Bennett Ministries    http://www.sbministries.org/
Exodus International       http://exodus.to/default2.asp
Love Won Out    http://www.lovewonout.com
 http://www.bfamilyadvocates.com/homosexuality.htm

 
The Climb to Power and Influence by Homosexuals in Canada through the Liberal Government

Canadian Research Suggests Only 1,4 % of Adults Homosexual 

Kanadische Studie: Nur 1,4 % der Erwachsenen sind homosexuell!

Canadians Issue World Apology for Social Engineering Legislation

Only 1 Canadian same-sex couple “married” in Toronto this year

Order of Canada Awarded to Gay Pastor Who Attacked Vatican, Performed Illegal Gay ‘Marriages’ under Conservative Government

CANADA: Ex Gays Write Open Letter to Members of [Anglican] General Synod  2007

MercatorNet: Canada Ponders Polygamy

Real actions speak louder than mere words

 
  
When 95 percent of Christians do not have 5 minutes a day quite time with the Bible.. they are all bad sinners.. all of them

 

By their own fruits you tell what they are like still..
 
(Mark 10:19 KJV)  Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother…
(includes do not divorce)
 
The too often misconception publicized by fundaments on the net too now is that a Prophet only foretells the future, and everything a false prophet does is false, and that he is not a God gifted person.. and this itself is false, not true. How ironical.  Balaam was firstly a genuine Prophet of God, he communicated with , talked with God, but he did not always obey, or  listen to him, for he next still did his own thing,  like most of us today too,  and that is what made him a false prophet, and so simply too are the many persons false Christians now too who follow his bad behavior, example, and rebel like the devil   now as well. God is still really  always displeased with all  such negative motivational behaviors, acts of self centered persons, not Christ centered, not Holy spirit obedient.. as the Bible clearly, undeniably indicates now many times.
 

 

 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/let-us-all-stop-electing-liars-or-the-alcoholics/

 

Real actions speak louder than mere words in any  religion..  
 
 
 
There is no law that says I have to still allow or to accept quietly the false, unfair  abuse of even any of the  the Pentecostal Christians for that matter now as well anywhere world wide, even on the net.
  
 
Re:  Pentecostal Christian Hypocrites  From its inception the Pentecostal  movement has been marred deeply by moral scandals, as we have documented in  our new illustrated 317-page book The Pentecostal-Charismatic Movements: Its  History and Its Error. If the movement had the fullness of the Holy Spirit  unction and power that it claims, we would not see such an exhibition of the  flesh, but in fact moral scandals have  continued to plague it in recent  history. http://exposevisionamerica.blogspot.com/2006/11/pentecostal-christian-hypocrites.html   
                   
Luke 11:35 Be careful, therefore, that the light that is in you is not darkness.  Luke 11:39   Now you Pharisees cleanse the outside of the cup and of the plate, but inside you yourselves are full of greed {and} robbery {and} extortion and malice {and} wickedness.Luke 11:42 But woe to you, Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every [little] herb, but disregard {and} neglect justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done without leaving the others undone.  43 Woe to you, Pharisees! For you love the best seats in the synagogues and [you love] to be greeted {and} bowed down to in the [public] marketplaces. 44 Woe to you! For you are like graves which are not marked {or} seen, and men walk over them without being aware of it [and are ceremonially defiled].
   
Luke 11:46 But He said, Woe to you, the lawyers, (experts in the Mosaic Law)! also! For you load men with oppressive burdens hard to bear, and you do not personally [even gently] touch the burdens with one of your fingers. Luke 11:49 For this reason also the wisdom of God said, I will send them prophets and apostles, [some] of whom they will put to death and persecute, 50 So that the blood of all the prophets shed from the foundation of the world may be charged against {and} required of this age {and} generation, 51 From the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was slain between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against {and} required of this age {and} generation. 52 Woe to you, lawyers (experts in the Mosaic Law)! For you have taken away the key to knowledge; you did not go in yourselves, and you hindered {and} prevented those who were entering.
  
 
Surely now there are, have been  much more false Teachers, false prophets, false pastors,  disobedient Christians in all of the Historical, or present Evangelical, Christian, Protestant or Catholic  churches, so then why pick on just these few now? And do tell me..  Let’s be fair and mention them all in all of the denominations now too.. or none at all…  it is the mere bullies, bashers, cowards too  who have a partial approach, soley bashing  or promoting false hatred against the Pentecostals now mainly too, and this still  is a further sign of their immoral approach. What about the bad too many evangelicals, Baptists, Alliance, Anglican, Reformed, Brethren, Mennonites, Lutheran pastors, persons even?   Well?
 
 
Clearly you have your own false agendas, and  I am sorry to see that you  still falsely produce a one sided view of Christianity and Pentecostals,  when in reality  70 percent of all evangelical North American pastors,  including non Pentecostal pastors have admitted to committing adultery. counseling divorce, are non spirit filled rather and so are 70 percent of the professing church members and attendees now too . 30 percent of evangelicals even practice divorce, related adultery as well. One needs to  honestly deal with all of  this fairly, equally now too..  Adultery is God’s punishment for those whom he is upset  at– the Bible..
 
 
UNDER WHATEVER GUISE ,  EXCUSE, FALSE JUSTIFICATIONS NOW TOO, THE WAY MANY FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELICAL AND SUPPOSEDLY PROFESSING CHRISTIAN CRITICS  TRY TO MAKE FUN AT OTHER CHRISTIANS ON THE NET, IN CHURCHES TOO  IS SICKENING, A VERY POOR THEOLOGY AND IS SADLY NOW ALSO TYPICAL OF THE MUCH TOO OFTEN FALSE BULLYING, BASHING OF THE OTHERS, OF THE CATHOLICS, THE PENTECOSTALS  TOO!
 
 
 It clearly makes me know that Satan himself is behind most of it still too and is ALL typical the acts of ungodly persons themselves now..
 

If your brother sins against you go to your brother alone. But firstly in prayer to God, all done in  in love, in Meekness, humbleness, and NOT RATHER YOU trying to increase your internet rating, readership by professing Christians now making sinful sensationalized hatred postings which itself is still hypocritical.. Especially when not all the supposedly objectionable replies to the sites now are even allowed to be posted as well

do see also
 

 

I admit I have also  been really surprised for decades in Canada as to how crooked also now too many non profitable, religious, charitable organizations now are well, the Salvation Army as well as the other professionals themselves such as lawyers, accountants, realtors, pastors and I have said that now many times too and why. As I look back in my life the last half a century some of the most immoral, despotic, cruel persons I have encountered in Canada were not just in the business world but actually pastors in various Christian  churches and why was, is that?  There is no denial as to how cold, ruthless, uncompassionate, uncaring, immoral, ruthless, slanderous, gossiping, abusive the majority of evangelical pastors where in my own many past personal encounters experiences Canada wide too that I had , but I did rightfully did not throw about the baby, Jesus,  with the dirty wash water. Rather I rightfully tended to ask the bad pastors and their bad supporters now too to change to repent instead.. 1/12 only   did and what about the rest…