ETERNAL SECURITY

SECURE

NOW WHY OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS IT THAT SOME ARE TRYING SO HARD TO PROVE ETERNAL SECURITY TO OTHERS IF THIS WAS SUCH AN OBVIOUS POINT? WHILE ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE US FROM OUR SINS, ETERNAL SECURITY IS STILL A FARCE, A NEW DOCTRINE OF ONLY  THE LAST 2000 YEARS INVENTED BY THE BRETHREN DISPENSATIONALIST REV JOHN DARBY AS IT HAS NOT EVEN A PART OF CHRISTIANITY THE 1800 YEARS BEFORE THAT NOW TOO

NEVER MIND YOUR MERE HUMAN ARGUMENTS SHOW HOW MUCH YOU REALLY KNOW THE BIBLE.. QUOTE YOUR APPLICABLE  VERSES THEN.. AS ETERNAL SECURITY IS A BIG DEMONIC LIE.. IF YOU BELIEVE IN IT THE DEVIL HAS YOU POSSESSED NOW AND NOT GOD. THE SAME PERSONS WHO BELIEVE THAT ONE IS ETERNALLY SECURED TEND TO ALSO FALSELY BELIEVE THAT NO CHRISTIAN CAN BE DEMON POSSESSED.. WHAT A MOUTHFUL. YOU CAN SEE WHY THEY DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE THEY CAN BE DEMON POSSESSED..

“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, that the day of Christ is at hand.” — 2 Thess. 2:1,2.Apostle Peter tells us in his second letter (1.16,19-2.3): For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty …. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place …. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you ….(1 Tim 1:7 KJV) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.(Heb 5:12 KJV) For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

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These abusive, immoral rather Brethren who often do hide, disguise them as Gospel, Bible believing Christians only, are an unacceptable part of the un Holy wars on the net too.. The Brethren dispensational views and related false doctrines have undeniably now been refused, refuted and not accepted by main stream Christianity too. The dispensationalists who unacceptably have a very negative view of the latter days, end times on this world, now it seems to compensate for their often rejections by even main stream Christianity, and as I have even recently now too often now personally witnessed, even on my sites they have to still it seems falsely bash, slander, they falsely call others mentally unstable, biblically unsound, not real Christians, “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”

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-Romans 16:17-18 KJV “Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.” -Jude 1:3-4 The Brethren oft repeated assertion that the present voice of the Holy Spirit is located in the utterance of men is an affront to the Holy Spirit. “But in vain do they worship me, teaching as their teachings commandments of men. For, leaving the commandment of God, ye hold what is delivered by men to keep”, Mark 7: 7-8.

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The false Brethren wresting of Holy Scriptures to support a line of dispensational reaching contrary to the actual written word of God is still also unacceptable Dispensationalism is a system of theology that was first popularized by John Nelson Darby, 19th century British evangelist and forerunner of modern Christian fundamentalism. The false Scofield Reference Bible, written by Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, popularized dispensationalism in the United States. The world’s Jews must return to Israel for a dispensational interpretation of prophecy to be fulfilled.

In the Bible, there are several passages in which God promises us the gift of eternal life, and the Bible also makes it perfectly clear that we can never earn that gift. However, a problem develops when people start to think that they don’t need to show any responsibilities towards God’s gift of salvation. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Again, When a righteous [man] doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand” (Ezekiel 3:19-20).

Clearly everyone who’s under God’s grace needs to accept that dreaded word, “responsibility.”

• “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?” (Matthew 7:21-22).

•”Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils” (1 Timothy 4:1).

•”And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book (Exodus 32:33).

•”He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels” (Revelation 3:5).

•”For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame” (Hebrews 6:4-6).

•”And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46).

I failed to spot any exemptions allowing Christians to ignore God’s warnings:

•”Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him” (1 John 3:15).

•”This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away” (2 Tim 3:1-5).

•”But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death” (Revelation 21:8).

•”For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire” (2 Peter 2:20-22).

•”But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat” (1 Corinthians 5:11).

In America, about 84 percent of its citizens claim to be “Christians,” and a reported 57 percent belong to a church. When asked if they think they’ll be going to heaven, more than 90 percent of Americans believe that heaven will be their final destination.

Despite this people’s overwhelming optimism, Jesus, in Matthew 7:13-14, said that few would be saved. I’ve been asking people what they believe all my life, and I’ve found a very large portion of society holds to some form of the once-saved-always-saved doctrine.

The also bizarre argument that the eternal security crowd propagates is the idea that once you decide to become a Christian, you can never change your mind. Once you’re in, there’s no escape. From what Bible did this cultic teaching come? Certainly not the one I’m using.

The Apostle Peter says in 2 Peter 2:21 that it would “had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” Not only did Peter say that believers can turn away, but he said it would be better for them to not have become aware of something that would end up haunting them throughout all eternity.

One excuse I hear a lot in an attempt to explain how someone can seem to fall away is the statement that “these people never really believed in the first place.” I have known people who were saved miraculously, yet they fell away. If their salvation wasn’t legitimate, then I’d have to doubt honesty of every of all confessions. 50 percent of all once loudly professing Christians not only fall away, they admit to doing so cause Jesus did not give them all their wants, desires, needs next too.

all who believe on Eternal Security agree that salvation is secure for eternity because they truly repented and saved to become a believer sometime in the past even though they act like immoral pigs now too.. Eternal security is not a doctrine on it’s own. It has a supporting doctrine called “Faith Only” doctrine which teaches no works are required. This is primarily because, many of these clearly still Bible ignorant persons they do not properly discern the faith / works mentioned by Paul’s letters and in the book of James. Rom 4:2-5) For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Jas 2:21-24) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Eternal security supporters say, A person can be saved (present tense) through faith, not of works, it is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8, 9).

We need to look into the text carefully and with context. They ignore overlook the next verse esp., verse 10 which says “in Christ”.

(Eph 2:10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

But if someone rejects Christ anytime along the way, he will also not receive eternal life.

(Rom 6:22-23) But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Eternal security supporters say, True faithful converts will never reject Christ. If they reject, they were never truly saved.

Let us see what the scripture say.

(1Tim 4:1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

(Heb 10:38-39) Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

How can someone depart from faith if they had not already in faith? Drawing back from what? Scripture says yes, we can walk away.

 (Matthew 7:19) “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Passages demonstrating that salvation is conditional upon continued faith:

You were once alienated from God – your very thoughts were hostile towards Him and your deeds were evil. Yet God has now made peace with you through the death of Christ in His physical body so that you may stand before Him as holy, without blemish and free from accusation – [this you will do] if you remain solidly grounded and firmly fixed in the faith, and un-moved from your hope in the gospel . . . Colossians 1:21-23

Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with Him, we will also live with Him; if we persevere, we will also reign with Him. If we disown Him, He will also disown us; If we are faithless, He will remain faithful, for He cannot disown Himself. 2nd Timothy 2:11-13

It is through this gospel that you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you – otherwise you have believed in vain. 1st Corinthians 15:2

We are of [Christ’s] household, if we hold fast to our courage and confidence in this hope. Hebrews 3:6

For we have all become partners of Christ, if we hold fast to our original conviction firmly to the end. Hebrews 3:14

2. Passages that warn us to protect our faith:

Examine yourselves to see whether you still stand steady in the faith. Put your qualifications [as Christians] to the test. Or didn’t you know this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is at home in you – if He’s not, then you are already disqualified. 2nd Corinthians 13:5

These things all happened [to the Exodus generation] by way of an example so that we might not lust after what is evil as they did. Don’t practice idolatry, as some of them did (as the scripture says “the people sat down to eat and got up to frolic”). Don’t fornicate, as some of them did, and 23,000 of them fell dead in a single day. And let’s not put the Lord to the test, as some of them did, and were killed by snakes. And don’t complain, as some of them did, and were killed by the destroying angel. All these things happened to them to give us an example, and have been written in scripture to warn us as we confront history’s final epoch. So let whoever thinks he’s standing firm be careful not to fall! 1st Corinthians 10:12

Watch out for yourselves, so you don’t lose what you’ve worked so hard for, but receive a full reward instead. No one who goes wandering off – that is, does not keep to the teachings about Jesus Christ – has a share in God. 2nd John 8-9

I am the vine, you are the branches. If a man remains in Me and I in Him, he will bear much fruit; apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. John 15:5-6

3. Passages teaching that sinful behavior is antithetical to faith:

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies – and whatever is similar to all these things. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Galatians 5:19-21

Don’t you know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practitioners of homosexuality nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 1st Corinthians 6:9-10

But among you there must not even be a hint of sexual immorality, or any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse jesting – things that have no place [among you]. Thanksgiving [is what ought to be heard coming from you] instead. For of this you can be sure: no immoral, impure, or greedy person – such a man is an idolater – has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Don’t let anyone deceive you about this with empty words, for it is because of just such things that God’s wrath comes upon those who refuse to obey and believe. So don’t enter into partnership with them. Ephesians 5:3-7

Those who want to get rich fall into temptations, traps, and many senseless and harmful lusts – the kind which swamp men[‘s hearts] to their destruction and damnation. 1st Timothy 6:9

Take it or leave but that is what the Bible still says..

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB I HAVE BEEN A CHRISTIAN NOW FOR 50 YEARS AND A CHRISTIAN PASTOR FOR 30 YEARS AND FOR DECADES NOW TOO I HAVE MANY FACEBOOK AND INTERNET SITES DEALING WITH GOD, JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. SO I AM NOT NEW TO THE VARIOUS GAMES PEOPLE PLAY EVEN ON THE NET. and their lies..

I also do think the most flagrant problem with the “once-saved-always-save” doctrine is the notion that people can confess to be a Christians, and yet live a life so depraved that the devil himself would refuse to associate with them. Unfortunately, because of the new false doctrines such as eternal security, hell has had to enlarge itself to make room for the millions of lost souls who have been deceived into going there (Isaiah 5:14). “Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him” (James 1:12). these people like Reggie seem to be able to endure anything but siining it seems…. by falsely slandering others who do not go laong with them even. But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:22

Eternal LIFE brought through Jesus Christ is a gift. Even though this gift is free, it MUST be conditionally accepted.. KEEPING YOUR ETERNAL LIFE NEXT IS CONDITIONAL AS WELL AND IT CAN ALSO NEXT BE REJECTED, AS YOU STILL HAVE YOUR OWN FREE WILL SOMETHING THE LIARS FALSELY DO NOT TELL YOU AND WHY? THEY HAVE OTHER AGENDAS FOR YOU LIKELY TOO..YOUR NAME NEXT CAN STILL BE BLOTTED FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE IF YOU SIN CONDITIONALLY WITHOUT REPENTANCE.. AND THERE IS MUCH MORE TO KNOW TOO… Now Judas was a Christian,, follower of Jesus who became undeniably Demon possessed and next went to hell. you always have a free will and you chose what spirit you do still have next too. More correctly, the word translated “possession” should simply be rendered “demonized,” that is, under the influence of a demonThe Apostle Judas typifies for me what a BAD CHRISTIAN is really like.. Judas is infamously known for his kiss and betrayal of Jesus to the hands of the chief Sanhedrin priests in exchange for a payment of thirty silver coins andh His place among the Twelve Apostles was later filled by Matthias.; yet woe is upon him, and he would have been better unborn (Matthew 26:23–25). from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. ( Acts 1:25) Most Christians still consider Judas a traitor. Indeed the term Judas has entered many languages as a synonym for betrayer. so Judas does not appear in an of the Epistles of Paul, as He who endures to the end shall be saved..

Ephesians 6:10-18 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Yes even the initially Holy Spirit filled Christian can falsely still oppose the Holy Spirit next. A GOOD INDICATION TO ME IS HOW ANY PERSON OR GROUPS STANDS NOW ITH JESUS CHRIST IS IN THEIR VIEW OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.. DO THEY SEE HIM AS GOD, DO THEY ALSO ADMIT, TALK ABOUT HIS GIFTS MINISTRY, PERSONALITY AS WELL NOW THAT IS SO TRUE WHEN THEY ARE WRONG IN SUCH A VITAL AREA THEY ARE NEXT WRONG IN SO MANY CAUSE THEY ARE STILL BEING LED BY THE SPIRIT OF DEMONS AND NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT Imagine that the Bible says a Christian can still have also an unclean spirit.. wow.. 1 Thessalonians 4:3 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. In Acts chapter 5, Ananias and Sapphira, members of the early church, lied to the apostle Peter. They had sold some possessions to give to the church, and then had second thoughts and conspired to keep back a portion for themselves. When Peter asked them what amount they had received for the sale, Ananias and Sapphira lied. What was the source of that lie? The apostle Peter said, “Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit” (verse 3). In judgment, God struck them dead. If we accept the assumption that Ananias and Sapphira experienced the new birth in Christ, yet how else can we explain away the fact that their hearts were filled by Satan to such an extent that they were capable of committing a sin worthy of such abrupt and severe divine judgment? Yeah right, human reason and human logic can easily say that salvation is a free gift, the Holy Spirit is also a separate free gift that comes after salvation. and so does even demonic possession for many persons now too… it is why why Apostle Paul Command you to be filled with the Holy Spirit even… If Christians cannot be possessed now how come this is one of my popular posting too..

 

By the way I cast out 2 demons out of two Christian people in my church after they had repented. .. one was the pastor’s daughter who committed fornication, and the other one HAD made a bind with Satan ..Like I said let the Holy Spirit teach you here not false men.. there is nothing good in men.

Before I first became involved in exorcisms, I too had assumed that a Christian was immune from the torment of demons. I based that assumption on the influence of other supposedly Christian leaders who convinced me of this. “The Holy Spirit and an evil spirit can’t dwell in the same vessel.” “Light and darkness cannot co-exist.” The Holy Spirit showed me otherwise..

Anyone searching the Word of God more diligently about the matter of demons influencing Christians, can see that the issue wasn’t as conclusive as most people had thought.

The pastors and Bible teachers who had repeatedly reinforced the “Christians can’t have a demon” outlook had very little practical experience with the phenomenon. Clearly even the lack of experiential testimony about such a crucial area of spiritual deliverance was a glaring weakness.. People who are not even filled, baptized with the Holy Spirit falsely want to teach someone who is? absurd!

Man is a tripartite being (1 Thessalonians 5:23), and there are aspects of the human body, soul, mind that Satan can always occupy. While he is prohibited from touching the spirit of God’s saints, nothing prevents him from possessing, tormenting the body and soul-if the disobedient conduct of a Christian allows him to do so. 1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

If you continue to sin the last verse does not apply. Casting a demon out of a believer is practiced in many , many churches today as well, I have been to a few of them too.

In Ephesians 4:23 Christians are admonished to “be renewed in the spirit of your mind.” If even the mind of the Christian needs renewal, then it stands to reason that when our minds are not renewed, they may be, to some degree, under the control of the ungodly forces.2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

1 Peter 5 :8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

Active and not passive resistance towards the devil is always required. “Present your bodies a living sacrifice,” we read in Romans 12:1. This means our bodies may not be completely sacrificed to God, and could therefore be CONTROLLED by Satan. James 4: 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Demon possession includes a demon having direct/complete control over the thoughts and/or actions of a person possessed. What you do not believe a dog can return to his vomit?

2 Peter 2: 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Matt 12: 43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Demonic “possession” means a demon can manifest through the host’s faculties-that is, see with the eyes, speak through the vocal cords, and even subject the person to a trance state of mental oblivion. Deliverance comes when the demon inside is cast outside.

What about those instances in which a demon manifests in a Christian? In most cases the demon likley had entered before the believer’s conversion to Christianity some say, and the evil spirit continued to control some part of the person’s life because the specific occult sin was never renounced. The demon claims squatter’s rights.

 

How Does Possession Come About? Uncontrolled anger, Unforgiveness, Fear, Unbelief, sexual immorality, impaired, drunkeness, occult involvement, cursing others, witchcraft , etc.

“If you’re a Christian and you don’t think you can have a demon – You have a demon,”

Demon possessed by a tormentor.. God’s spirit in King Saul was replaced by an evil spirit 1 Samuel 16:14 14But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. 15And Saul’s servants said to him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubles you. 16Let our lord now command your servants, which are before you, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is on you, that he shall play with his hand, and you shall be well. … .Saul was afflicted with “an evil spirit” as a punishment for his insistent defiance of God’s will. He had committed flagrant violation of God’s commands on two previous occasions (1 Samuel 13:13-14; 15:11,19).

Matthew 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him..

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5To deliver such an one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6Your glorying is not good. Know you not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? The devil by nature is a murderer (John 8:44). His rebellion against God changed his character and has made him a force that naturally kills and destroys all that comes under his power.

So, what about the sending of evil spirits by the Lord? This may be more common in scripture than you think. In Psalm 78:49, God judged Israel “by sending evil angels among them.” In Judges 9:23, “God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem.” In 1Kings 22:22, God sent a “lying spirit” in the mouth of the false prophets to send Ahab to his death. In the passage in question (1Samuel 16:14-15), God removed His Spirit from the disobedient Saul. This opened the door for an evil spirit to come and torment Saul. Though in this passage, it is only the servants of Saul that said the evil spirit was from the Lord, in other passages (1Samuel 18:10; 19:9), the text states that the evil spirit came from the Lord. When God removes His protective hand,the Lord allowed or permitted the distressing spirit to come upon Saul, he often turns the person over to Satan for destruction or to an evil spirit for torment. The devil and the evil spirits do the work, but God has allowed them to do what come natural to them for His own purpose.He uses evil to chastise evil” I know this concept it is thoroughly established in scripture. God does not commit wickedness, but He uses the wicked for His purpose. In the end, God will have His glory. How much better it is for us to submit to Him and obey Him willingly.

 

if Christ is the olive tree than you do not need to renews your mind because Christ will do it for you, just like the olive tree renews it branch. therefore you cannot BE connected to Christ and not produce good fruits. HOW REALLY ABSURD.. YOU MEAN YOU ARE A ROBOT NOW, YOU DO NOT HAVE A FREE WILL, YOU CANNOT SIN? EVEN EVANGELICAL PASTORS SIN ALL THE TIME, COMMIT ADULTERY, STEAL AND WHAT YOU DENY THEY DO SIN EVEN HERE.. HOW REALLY ABSURD..

 

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

 

 1 Kings 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

 

2 Chronicles 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

 

Proverbs 19:2 Also, that the soul be without knowledge, it is not good; and he that hasteth with his feet sinneth.

 

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

 

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

 

Ezekiel 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.

 

How Does Possession Come About? Uncontrolled anger, Unforgiveness, Fear, Unbelief, sexual immorality, impaired, drunkeness, occult involvement, cursing others, witchcraft , etc.

“If you’re a Christian and you don’t think you can have a demon – You have a demon,”

Demon possessed by a tormentor.. God’s spirit in King Saul was replaced by an evil spirit 1 Samuel 16:14 14But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. 15And Saul’s servants said to him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubles you. 16Let our lord now command your servants, which are before you, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is on you, that he shall play with his hand, and you shall be well. … .Saul was afflicted with “an evil spirit” as a punishment for his insistent defiance of God’s will. He had committed flagrant violation of God’s commands on two previous occasions (1 Samuel 13:13-14; 15:11,19).

Matthew 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him..

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5To deliver such an one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6Your glorying is not good. Know you not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? The devil by nature is a murderer (John 8:44). His rebellion against God changed his character and has made him a force that naturally kills and destroys all that comes under his power.

So, what about the sending of evil spirits by the Lord? This may be more common in scripture than you think. In Psalm 78:49, God judged Israel “by sending evil angels among them.” In Judges 9:23, “God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem.” In 1Kings 22:22, God sent a “lying spirit” in the mouth of the false prophets to send Ahab to his death. In the passage in question (1Samuel 16:14-15), God removed His Spirit from the disobedient Saul. This opened the door for an evil spirit to come and torment Saul. Though in this passage, it is only the servants of Saul that said the evil spirit was from the Lord, in other passages (1Samuel 18:10; 19:9), the text states that the evil spirit came from the Lord. When God removes His protective hand,the Lord allowed or permitted the distressing spirit to come upon Saul, he often turns the person over to Satan for destruction or to an evil spirit for torment. The devil and the evil spirits do the work, but God has allowed them to do what come natural to them for His own purpose.He uses evil to chastise evil” I know this concept it is thoroughly established in scripture. God does not commit wickedness, but He uses the wicked for His purpose. In the end, God will have His glory. How much better it is for us to submit to Him and obey Him willingly.

 

And there is no place in the Bible that conclusively says Christians can’t be possessed. But, on the contrary, there are passages that do indicate that demon possession of believers CAN occur when they backslide from God. 1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. nNow we know Satan and devils do exist, we know they are unembodied spirits that work in the spiritual realm, they desire to and are able to indwell humans (also animals) and influence their bodies and minds for evil, they vary in power and authority, but all are more powerful than man, and they can be controlled or cast out by the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ if you confess your sins and turn your life to Jesus, all of it..Demons have been here since the beginning of human history. The same demons that infiltrated the antediluvian civilization in the days of Noah are alive and active today. They have infiltrated every area of life from childhood to adulthood, from play to marriage, from sports to work.

In 1 Corinthians 6 and 7, Paul reprimanded the Church, the Christian strongly for their marital infidelity. 1 cor 6:1 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

 

Ephesians 4:32  NIV  Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you AND ironically IT IS A WELL KNOWN FACT THAT YOUR SINS ARE NOR FORGIVEN AUTOMATICALLY AS EVEN KING DAVID HAD  FOUND OUT, RATHER YOU HAVE TO CONTINUALLY BRING YOUR SINS TO GOD, CONFESS THEM AND ASK FOR THEIR FORGIVENESS..

 

Romans 6: 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

1 Corinthians 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

2 Cor 10:5 — “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”

You can’t drink the Lord’s cup [of communion-fellowship] and the cup of demons. You can’t share in the Lord’s [communion-fellowship] table and the table of demons. 1st Corinthians 10:21

Like i had said Possession is only one of the common type of demonic attack and the Possession of even professing Christians is not as rare as some imagine, mind you they will likely too quickly say I am the one possessed and/or crazy not themselves ehh Funny… Christians can receive deliverance from the demon. The last decade has seen a major shift by Evangelicals away from a belief that Christians could not be demonized or demon possessed to a dominate view that a child of God can be demon possessed and thus may need periodic deliverance.

Is demon possession rare? Not according to scripture! Mark 1:34, “…cast out many devils…” Luke 4:41, “…devils also came out of many…” Acts 8:7, “For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them…” Mark 6:13, “…they cast out many devils…” Matthew 8:16, “…they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils…”

Jesus sent fourth 70 disciples to preach the gospel and cast out demons, and they returned full of joy as they could see that this was a very real and important ministry. Now for Jesus to send out 70 men and they come back with praise reports of deliverances… that tells us that even though they were on foot, there were plenty of people in their area that needed deliverance! Luke 10:17, “And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.”

The Bible speaks of different ranks of demons (Eph 6:12), and Jesus taught His disciples that some demons were so strong that they required a level of faith to cast them out that was only obtainable through prayer and fasting (Mark 9:29).

Aren’t all demons the same? Absolutely not; they all have their own personalities, just like people do. There are different demons that serve different functions, such as some people are doctors while others are lawyers, etc. Some demons cause loss of hearing and loss of eyesight (Mark 9:25), while others cause infirmities, and others cause fear and depression (1 Samuel 16:14, “Now the Spirit of the LORD had left Saul, and the LORD sent a tormenting spirit that filled him with depression and fear.” -NLT).

Do demons have names? Yes they do, just like God’s holy angels have names (Luke 1:19, Judges 1:9). Often, the name of a demon will give you a clue as to what it does, the function it preforms, or the role it plays. Some of the demons in the Bible are known as deaf, dumb, infirmity, etc. (Mark 9:25, Luke 13:11).

Can demons return to the person whom they left? Yes Jesus warns the ‘wicked generation’ (sinners) that the demon can return with 7 even worse demons and if you go back and re-open the door(s) that let the demon in, you are re-welcoming him back in.

It is interesting that some people falsely do oppose the deliverance Ministry for any Christians and they have chosen to sit in the seat of God to judge others but not themselves .

 

1 Cor 4:21 KJV) What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

Prov 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.;

Of course the devil does not want you to have the gift of discernments of Spirits.. if the devil cannot get at you personally he will next come to you directly in the form of a bother, sister even, a person..

(2 Cor 2:11 KJV) Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.; “

Now no one still takes the place of God in my life.. and they never will..

Deliverance and Demon Possession is not a popular topic especially amongst those who are clearly possessed through pride or whatever..

Yes even Christians can receive deliverance from the demon. The last decade has seen a major shift by Evangelicals away from a belief that Christians could not be demonized or demon possessed to a dominate view that a child of God can be demon possessed and thus may need periodic deliverance.

Let God Judge them? I used to think like you.. But God already did and many times has asked me personally to go to the pastors and to ask them to repent of special sins and about 10 percent do, the rest go on with their evil ways and next eventually even found in church pastors were removed, lost their church..it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands into the living God. ..

Biblical repentance is admitting one sins to God, stopping and consciously turning away from them, turning back toward God, and personally accepting Jesus Christ finished work, forgiveness for them. Bow God has commanded all men everywhere to repent.. True repentance is confession, contrition, change; replacement and it involves the whole person, Our Body, Soul, Spirit. It is also a personal, ongoing event. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.; While submission of one to another, or sharing , is voluntarily, unenforceable, and is a direct commandment of God there are many professing Christians, other Persons who think they now also are good, godly persons yet they still are actuality demon possessed, as evident by their self centeredness, false self pride, their lack of forgiveness towards others now too.. and they do exhibit the demonic controlling spirit even under the false guise of privacy, Also now you can also be sure there is a great abundances of other sins, wrong doings in their life, cause once they had opened the door to the devil he next took the whole house.. And call it what you may it is still a power hungry, controlling, oppressing evil spirit in them.

I would rather see a sermon preached over just hearing one preached.. I have now cast out of demons from Christians, even a Pastor’s daughter..

Matthew 7:15, 16 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits

Christians can inherit curses from parents; Christians need deliverance from certain kinds of sins in addition to the forgiveness received at salvation; Christians need to speak or do things to protect themselves and their loved ones from the demonic; Christians can boss Satan around by rebuking, binding, taking authority over him, or running him out of town, usually by sundown, all in the name of Jesus; demons occupy territories because of specific sins of those people which supposedly have given a basis for the demonic stronghold, instead of by permission of the sovereign will of God. Matthew 18:18: “Truly I am telling you, whatever you may bind upon the earth shall be that which has already been bound in heaven; and whatever you may loosed upon the earth shall be that which has already been loosed in heaven” (literal translation).

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, … In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, {constantly} nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following (1 Tim. 4:1,6).

It was Christ who said, “You will know them by their fruits.” And Christ went on to say, “Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord.” shall even enter the kingdom of heaven next.”” Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my father who is in heaven.” Which includes manifesting the fruit of the holy Spirit. They are not automatic.. sin is automatic still even in many in many people’s lives.. and you need the power of the holy Spirit to overcome it..

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Ephesians 5″:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. — 1 John 4:1

You really need to relook at the definition of what a Christians really is There is major ,major misunderstanding even in the church as to what it really means to be a saved Christian. We need to look at what the Bible itself says here firstly too…

To be a Christian is based on the Greek word anointed one, Christos, a person in whom we can see the anointing of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.. do we see yours easily? or do you like bullying others too much still? doing your own thing?

(Acts 10:38 KJV) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

(1 John 3:21 KJV) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 2 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.The word “Christ” is a transliteration of the Greek word christos, meaning “the Anointed One, Jesus was the anointed one. Jesus is the Messiah and the transliteration of the Old Testament Hebrew word pronounced maw-shakh, meaning Anointed One, which when translated into the New Testament Greek is Christos. Matt. 3:11, “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”.

Peter told his convicted hearers, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit”

(1 Chronicles 16:22-24 NKJV) Saying, “Do not touch My anointed ones, And do My prophets no harm.” {23} Sing to the LORD, all the earth; Proclaim the good news of His salvation from day to day. {24} Declare His glory among the nations, His wonders among all peoples.”

Beyond the show of a doubt the devil himself firstly really hates any references to the Holy Spirit, the anointed ones, the idea that Christians do have now empowering to overcome the devil too…

and so now the devil uses any of his followers, those in the fundamental religious circles too now, to now lie, twist, distort the truths. and they falsely try to say something typical like this now.. the big lie“If you check every single Biblical reference to the Anointing you should notice that ” There is not ONE SINGLE reference to the anointing being a supernatural power given to human by which they are able to perform miracles… There is not ONE SINGLE reference to anyone being able to transmit the anointing by any means, including the laying on of hands… There is not ONE SINGLE reference to getting, keeping, increasing, or losing the anointing.”

Mind you they these same liars do have to Tear out the whole Old Testament for a start.. the prophets were clearly anointed, and performed miracles, and the same Jesus yesterday, today and forever who lives in us today too, who was anointed and performed miracles he had also said that believers will do even greater things now too. In the reality now after all Samson next lost his anointing.. and so did King Saul lose his anointing .. and David asked God not to take away his anointing too after he had sinned with Bathsheba..

It’s the frequent and methodical strategy of those people not Holy spirit filled, those people walking in the flesh that they do bash, recite against anyone who has evidenced the Holy Spirit anointing still too, but we all can see these false professors own false, unscriptural doctrine and practice. It’s now a charge of their “blasphemy of the Holy Spirit” and their disobedience of “touch not the Lord’s anointed.”

Many professing Christians are still not real Christians now, these days too, because Most people have never even firstly had studied, read what the Bible actually says nor have they been taught by the Holy Spirit firstly, not even many preachers. As many of these people are mostly still serving self, doing their own thing, looking up to mere man and not God. They do not have God’s understanding of the subject cause they do not have the Holy Spirit.. so they are none of His

Would you believe it that I had spent half of my life in the Baptist Church till the holy Spirit reveled to me what really dummies they were spiritually and how they were really both Holy Spirit and new testament ignorant still too The heart knows its own bitterness ( Proverbs 14:10)

How do you now deal with demon possessed Christian persons? ignore them send them top a physiatrist.. unlike Jesus and the Apostles? I myself rightfully firstly ask them to repent of the specific sin that got them possessed.. Narcissm included.. Narcissism is used to describe a person characterized by harshness, egotism, vanity, pride, or selfishness.

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a serious personal personality disorder in which the individual is excessively preoccupied with issues of personal needs, wants, desires, adequacy, power, prestige and even vanity..

Persons diagnosed with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder are characterized by unwarranted, false feelings of self-importance. They are aggressors who have an abnormal sense of entitlement and demonstrate grandiosity in their beliefs and behavior. They have a over inflated strong need for admiration of others, but meanwhile lack feelings of love, care, concerns empathy for others. Like the case of a father who buys a nice new car for himself while his own son suffers in poverty. These negative qualities are usually defenses against a deep feeling of inferiority and of being in the past rejected, unloved. Example- Rebuked in a marriage proposal.

The concept of Narcissus, excessive selfishness has been recognized negative through the Bible throughout history. Narcissism is usually considered a major problem in a person or group’s relationships with self and others.

These people who are pathologically narcissistic, are very much controlling, blaming, self-absorbed, intolerant of others’ views, unaware of others’ needs as well., obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges, problems in sustaining, satisfying relationships. lack of love to others, no emotional attachments, difficulty with empathy, clear problems distinguishing the self from others, manifest a hypersensitivity to any insults real or imagined insults, criticism and manifests often rage and objects to narcissistic injury, napoleon complex, use contempt to minimize the other person, can resort to physical abuse of others quite easily, inability to process shame in healthy ways.; gentleness only to those who admire and affirm them , detesting those who do not admire them , use other people without considering the cost of doing so, imposters, hypocrites, pretending to be more important even to all others over what they really are, self promoter, mostly, takes advantage of others to reach own imposed goals, always expects to be recognized as superior and special, without any real even superior accomplishments, falsely expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement of their goodness from others; arrogant in attitudes and behavior, expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic, often lying, ragging and exaggerate of their achievements, values, effects., claiming to be a genius, “expert” at all things, clearly cold, unloving, fruitless, inability to view the world from the perspective of other people, clear denial of any wrong doings, guilt, remorse and evident no gratitude.

Narcissists hold unreasonable and false expectations of particularly favorable treatment form all others and the related automatic compliance because they consider falsely do themselves special above all others. Failure to comply to praising them is considered a personal attack on them, their superiority, and the unacceptable perpetrator is immediately considered an “enemy” or “crazy” person, censured, not to associate with anymore. Any Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic even violent rage. All others are always to be placed in a subservient position. All Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all.

Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and their false illusion known , self projection to dump shame falsely unto onto others.

A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person’s ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.

The narcissist who is feeling deflated does often re-inflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else. In other words a Slave driver, a control freak and Bully as well.

It was Christ who said, “You will know them by their fruits.” And Christ went on to say, “Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord.” shall even enter the kingdom of heaven next.”” Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my father who is in heaven.” Which includes manifesting the fruit of the holy Spirit.;

says Salvation is a gift.. AND SO it is now still a false what a justification for all the sins that even too many evangelical pastors also and undeniably can still do after they had been already saved.. and how really really absurd, ridiculous response Reggie that is still .. really Reggie I love all the relevant the Holy Spirit led Bible verses you had posted to me in reply.. what there are none? why was that? only the personal attacks, insults…Oh yes insults upon insults.. it seems I am talking to a child and not a mature adult still.. and is it cause you really are Bible ignorant like so many others so you cannot give a biblical evidence for your faith as Apostle Paul said we should? ..   really Repentance is also a gift and clearly many fundamental Christians still they do not seem to have it.. so their sons now are unforgiven and thus they do return to hell with them. So   tell me to whom these verses were written? to all non saved Baptists only ehh..

 1 John 1: 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Eternal security: the belief that once a person accepts Jesus Christ as his Savior, he can never be lost. Eternal security sounds great until you realize that this doctrine allows people to commit every sin under the sun without suffering any consequences for their complete lack of holy living. Why most people lack any concern for their eternal salvation is the most baffling question I can ponder. The Bible says that few people will choose to make heaven their eternal home. (Mat 7:13-14) The Bible and man are in sharp conflict with each other because most folks expect to be bound for heaven when they leave this world. It’s no accident that most people are deceived about their eternal destiny. Satan, who is described as the enemy of mankind, has made the damnation of souls his full-time job. Of course, everyone who’s been hoodwinked by the devil into believing a lie only has himself or herself to blame for the poor judgment. It is the false advocates of eternal security that are often called, ignorant, immature carnal Christians by many In Romans 6:5-6 we are told that in order for us to be a part of His resurrection we must also be a part of His death. Verse 6 is very clear that it is the body of sin that is to be destroyed. When we are born again we are a new creation in Christ Jesus and no longer a slave to our carnal desires. We are in fact commanded to turn away from sin. Remember that whoever we serve is our master. If we serve God then we are dead to sin. If we serve sin then we are dead to God. We cannot serve two masters. It is a very sad reality that even these days in the churches that up to 70 percent of the pastors have not been called by God, they are imposters, hirelings and are not genuine shepherds of the flock. As a result many of them falsely resort to a dictatorial, abusive or hierarchy church structure and they demand falsely AND force submission, and of course they even abuse their flock… they do now even cheat, lie, steal, slander, wrongfully counsel divorce.. . many people are surprised at this and do not know what to do.. Recognize, admit the sad truth and shout their sins from the housetops. They are not real, loving shepherds called by God..

One thing for sure I have observed that where there are sheep now there are also many wolves, for where there are real Christians there are also the pretenders amongst them now, today as well. The pretender, imposter, wolf in sheep clothing do now show up for all kind of reasons even to seduce the sheep. They masquerade as pastors,, assistant pastors, elders, youth ministers, Bible college students now as well. In reality even these days many Christians SADLY themselves have never studied what the Bible actually says about these God given, Holy Spirit equipped, gifted men, offices to the Christian Church Universal by God, so they too are ignorant, they do not know, they are even confused about the role that they all should play. Because they often wrongfully leave it to others to read the Bible for them too they thus are too easily deceived by the imposters, cults, sects, wolves in sheep clothing, false teachers, false prophets, false elders too.

AND   DO SEE ALSO

https://dispensatiionalism.wordpress.com/2016/04/03/pre-trib-rapture-is-false-along-with-eternal-security/
http://kambulow.blogspot.ca/2013/06/are-you-not-falsely-angry.html ..

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/spirtual-abuse-by-the-so-called-christian-leaders/

http://jesussayscome.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/deceived-by-the-imposters-cults-sects-wolves-in-sheep-clothing/ .

Restoration

  
For certainty also because of the demonic opposition the devil will try to discourage you from finding out or reading about the Holy spirit, Charismatics, Pentecostals and the Bible. I know I have experienced this myself the last  40 years. So my sites will reflect, show you what I have learned, found out on these subjects for a start.
 

DISPENSATIONALISM: A HERETICAL TEACHING

DISPENSATIONALISM IS ANOTHER GOSPEL

DISCERNING TRUTH FROM DISPENSATIONAL ERROR

THERE IS ONLY ONE GOSPEL

ONE GOSPEL, OF LOVE, NOT ANTISEMITISM

ONE GOSPEL FOR JEW AND GENTILE

THE SCOFIELD STUDY BIBLE

THE FUTURE TEMPLE OF DISPENSATIONALISM

 CAN JEWISH PEOPLE REJECT JESUS AND STILL BE CHOSEN?

 PAUL THE APOSTLE DID NOT TEACH DISPENSATIONALISM

PAUL’S REPLY TO DISPENSATIONAL ERROR

PAUL & THE REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY

THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW PROPHESIED UNTIL JOHN

HAS GOD CAST AWAY ISRAEL?

THE SON OF ABRAHAM

ISRAEL’S STUMBLINGSTONE 

SING A LITTLE LOUDER

THE SILENCE OF OUR FRIENDS

VIOLENCE

JUSTICE FOR ALL

 

Dispensational theology takes the focus off of Christ and places it on national Israel. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of all God’s promises to mankind.

2 Corinthians 1:19-20 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea. For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

1 Corinthians 10:1-12 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

 
See also . . . ISRAEL   http://giannina.wordpress.com/dispensationalism-2/

I  make no denial, I rightfully openly oppose all these false, bad professing Christians, Plymouth Brethren, Dispensationalist, Fundamentalists, Baptists  who wrongfully  promote Hatred towards the other Christians, the  Catholics, Pentecostals, Charismatic Christians and do now lie about them , slander them too, even on the net, even those in my own family, and I do openly demand these bad persons rightful prosecutions  or repentance

It is very clear that the Darby Plymouth Brethren, Dispensationalist  Christians to compensate for their failure to try to convert Jewish persons have come up with false reasons for not doing so as well
 
There actually is no Biblical basis, promises, prophecy for Israel reclaiming this land in the whole New Testament.. just more Old Testament Jewish spins..
 
“By embracing Christian Zionist teachings many believers have drifted from “… the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” (Jude 1:3)

 

Believers have become involved in politics and war, and have become respecter of persons.
 
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
 
Geneva Bible Notes:
 
God does not judge men either by their blood or by their country, either to receive them or to cast them away.
 
Christian Zionist teaching has caused many a believer to stray from their main purpose on this earth … preaching the gospel to every creature and evangelizing a lost world. Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”
 
 
Amen
 
I too rightfully openly oppose all these false, bad professing Christians

(Heb 12:2 KJV)  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 
 

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 (Heb 10:31 KJV)  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

It always still amazes me how many pastors lie and say they are doing God’s work and yet they never quote the Bible to anyone, so who are they actually fooling: God, the Bible or mere self, men in reality? When I first examine a pastor I first go to his study and see what books he uses.. over the Bible.. so I can know why he is failing. The Holy Spirit himself in detail too will lead and guide you in all truth.. if you actually are led by him now.
 
It is undeniable fact that these days 70 percent of all pastors are bad, so I have helped to fire many evangelical pastors, founding church pastors as well, I helped to closed two evangelical churches as well. Most pastors still are are sex maniacs , counsel divorce, alcoholics falsely still too.
 
Public exposure and prosecuting of the guilty serves everyone’s best interest.
 
I am no ostrich and I also do  follow what Apostle Paul did, I first had wrote letters to the churches,  members, adherents about their uancceptable sins.. I talk to people I love and rightfully even rebuke them before all as well.
 
Genuine Prophets sill point fingers today and still do ask people to repent.
 
(Rev 2:5 KJV)  Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
 
(Rev 2:16 KJV)  Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
 
(Rev 2:21 KJV)  And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
 
(Rev 2:22 KJV)  Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
 
(Rev 3:3 KJV)  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
 
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 
(1 Tim 5:20 KJV)  Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
 
(1 Tim 5:21 KJV)  I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
(3 John 1:2 KJV)  Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
 
(3 John 1:3 KJV)  For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth.
 
(3 John 1:4 KJV)  I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
 
God bless you
 

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A pastor of the House of prayer church was gloating that the local Pentecostal church had  last night removed their pastor, and House of prayer pastor next was  boasting how good he was and how lucky his congregation now was to have him while the same House of prayer church  pastor was   meanwhile being even accused of stealng funds, the slander of others as well. (Prov 27:2 KJV)  Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

 The general manager of a Pawn shop had asked me to inspect the used computers he had taken in. In the process many times I had noticed that the manager and his brother were stealing from the store, taking unpaid items home for themselves. Next I noticed the same thing being done by the store clerks. When I reported what I saw the store clerks doing the manager in rage immediately fired two of the sales clerks. But he did not fire himself or his brother. Double standard. Sadly I have too often seen this myself firsthand also in evangelical churches where the  pastors and their family members were abusing the donations while they hypocritically were preaching  to others “you shall not steal”   All of  their own personal repentance is still in order!

A professing Christian couple were church hopping, weekly  travelling from church to church looking for that great perfect church that would add a new dimensions to their lives. Unfortunately the couple would not admit they that their own unrepentant sins were the cause of their own Misery, and they next divorced each other, each falsely blaming the other spouse as the cause of their personal unhappiness.
 
(Mat 7:3 KJV)  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. 
 
>People usually accuse others of what they are guilty themselves!  
>Dear thenonconformer you are the one who is the accuser of the brethren, not me?
 
My getting personal again.. you like to  give it to others but can’t take a rebuke yourself ehh.. Please do Stop telling any others what to do .. live it yourself.. what you are speak louder than any of your words. Many people try to falsey bash others, try to change others cause they know they cannot even change themselves now.
 
Personal attacks made falsely next when you cannot deny the facts, the negative truths. So what else is new  the Ostriches here too they  cannot take the huge beam out of their own eyes, they are a poor example of Christianity, do not practice what they preach to others, they still do what they condemn in others . No wonder they oppose other persons right of free speech, the truth. Some things never change. The bad guys included. They love the false praise of men over  being praised by god too. But all men have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Cursed be he that puts his trust in mere man, mere flesh. It is viable that too much of the supposedly  Christian posts here are done in the flesh still and not in the spirit of God. What Happened to their own practice real Christian love, humility, meekness on their parts? Too many preachers, pastors like to preach it to others but do not live it themselves. Repent.
 
(1 Cor 4:21 KJV)  What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?
 
(2 Cor 10:1 KJV)  Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:
 
(Gal 5:23 KJV)  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
 
(Gal 6:1 KJV)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
 
(Eph 4:2 KJV)  With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
 
(Col 3:12 KJV)  Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
 
(1 Tim 6:11 KJV)  But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
 
(2 Tim 2:25 KJV)  In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
 
(Titus 3:2 KJV)  To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing all meekness unto all men.
 
(James 1:21 KJV)  Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
 
(James 3:13 KJV)  Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
 
(1 Pet 3:15 KJV)  But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
 
“Hey you self righteous supposedly Christian guys and gals just look at yourself. your lack of love towards others, even your supposed enemies is more reflective of who you still are. Get a real life in Jesus. the Evangelical Christian ostriches who deny their sins are still going to Hell and they like to bash others but cannot face or see the truth about themselves. The vipers like you, the Pharisees condemned Jesus also for telling the truth about them too and so do you still even here. When you condemn the others you visibly even condemn yourself as well here.”
 
Look who is hypocritically, wrongfully  accusing me now   firstly  TIM himself.. you got so personal with someone you do not know, never met as well.. and such a hypocrite now too you are.. yes too many evangelicals, pastors included like you TIM are not known for playing nice, accepting the truth easily, they like to play dirty, bash, bully, abuse others, make unrelated personal smears, attacks.. showing more clearly to all what they still really are like.. undeniable bad guys. but they that is normal for this is how the bad persons ..they often treated the prophets, apostles as well and still do.
 
Never the less  the Holy Spirit  he will still also reprove the world of sin, judgment, righteousness.. and not be an Ostrich to their sins, wrong doings
    
I also do not think much of control freaks, bullies too  and do   see also my many posts on how to deal with control freaks.. abusers.. for example
 
One is not a Christian for too long before one encounters the dispensationalist topics of Prophecy- Tribulation, the anti Christ, such as http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com    the same  people who seem to be more fascinated with the future over living in the present.. Now one thing for certainly I know as well many of these overboard persons tend to have very little love for others, other Christians in reality, and I can only concluded that they really are not led by the Holy Sprit, are not open to the fruit and gifts of the Holy Spirit as well.. (Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
   
(1 Cor 9:27 KJV)  But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
10:1  Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2  And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3  And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5  But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6  Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7  Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8  Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9  Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10  Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11  Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12  Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
13  There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
14  Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
15  I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
16  The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17  For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
18  Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
19  What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20  But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21  Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
22  Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
23  All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
24  Let no man seek his own, but every man another’s wealth.
 
(John 8:12 KJV)  Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
 
(John 12:35 KJV)  Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. 36  While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
 
(John 12:46 KJV)  I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
 
(Rom 2:18 KJV)   And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; 19  And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 20  An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. 21  Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? 22  Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? 23  Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
 
(1 Th 5:4 KJV)  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
 
(1 John 1:3KJV)   That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4  And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5  This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6  If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10  If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
  
(1 John 2:8KJV)   Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9  He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10  He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11  But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
 
(2 Cor 3:2 KJV)  Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
 
TOO MANY PEOPLE FALSELY THINK THEY ARE HIDING THEIR UNREPENTANT SINS, THEY GOT AWAY WITH THEM. GOD STILL SEES THEM. SO DOES THE DEVIL AND THE WORLD NOW AS WELL.
 
(Mat 22:32 KJV)  God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
 
(Rom 14:17 KJV)  For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
 
(1 Cor 4:20 KJV)  For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
 
(1 Cor 14:33 KJV)  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
 
(Gal 6:7 KJV)  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 
 
I was in a super great Church once, even though the Pastors were stealing, abusing the funds, committing adultery, counseling divorce,  gossiping, slandering, lying,  and so forth. The Holy Spirit due to the prayers of some of the faithful persons there  was really moving in their services, and many people were getting saved, healed and delivered, and the praise and worship services were really great. God specifically had told me to go to this church as well, but he had put a condition on it, he said do not talk with, communicate, fellowship  with any of the pastors. I had done some great personal counseling in that Church as well.. met some great and also bad people.
 
Alliance Churches,  Calgary Christian center, Centre Street Evangelical Missionary Church,  United Church   , Full Gospel Churches,  Baptist Churches, Evangelical Free, Victory Christian Fellowship,   First Assembly (Pentecostal), Salvation Army,   Don Ross Ministries and the Full Gospel Businessmen’s Fellowship; to name a few.  And you should let another man praise you and not yourself.. I moved to Calgary at the age of 35 in 1980 and I had been a Christian  for 20 years before that and for the next 15 years I in contrast could not find one decent honest Christian Pastor or Church in Calgary, in my witness they were all bunch of racists, social clubs, adulterers, liars, slanderers, gossipers, thieves, rich minded persons who despised the poor people etc.., Calgary was the third  most unspiritual place I have been to in Canada

But eventually  one day next came when I had to talk to the same pastors, and even to tell them that God was going to get rid of them, to next deal with them negatively and God did! God next broke down this large Calgary church because it had grown big in size and had become perverse. All of the pastors were next removed from it as well.

(Micah 3:6 KJV)  Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. 7  Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God. 8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

The most crooked pastors I had encountered in Canada were those in Alberta too… Here also you can start with ex Calgary Christian center, the Calgary First Alliance church, the Calgary Salvation Army.  I also remember also hearing about that great Conservative myth on promised full accountability, governmental transparency, a better form of governing, and the Harper- Conservative government lies go on and on, fooling only the Conservatives as to who they really are still, liars..

 I had good reasons supposedly for not  Pastoring  once, one of which was there now supposedly  were plenty of other good Pastors, much better Pastors than me  around..  and both arguments were lies as God himself next showed me  firsthand when I interviewed about 45 evangelical pastors.. even about their marital counseling practices… which is almost none! This is also really surprising when  about 70 percent of all people even in the  churches  tend to have major marital problems sooner or later.. Pretender, liar and that is so typical of evangelical pastors in Canada, elders, and  pastors of the false  Christian Missionary Alliance church now too. I wrote about this false church before too. No wonder most of the evangelical pastors as well do  commit adultery, or steal,  commit tax evasions, gossip, slander, abuse others   and falsely counsel divorce now too. In reality 70 percent of all of the the pastors are still really bad, still doing a real bad job.. for  firstly they tend not to use the Bible at all in their own  personal counseling  practices but rather they  tend to do use an  immoral, humanistic, psychological approach, or they simple say get divorced and  wrongfully too.  Their actual daily usage of the Bible, not books really can show you how good or bad pastors they still are,  and never mind what useless Bible college or commentary also that they graduated from still.

Many persons go to church expecting personally to be helped by the pastor and they do next walk away disappointed. Their first normal mistake was having any personal expectations of any help from the  Pastors,  even though this may be an honest expectation, for  our help is in the Lord and all our expectations should come only of Him.

Try to go to church expecting only to see Jesus Christ, to get any desired help from Jesus only, and not any man, or women,  and expect nothing else, have no expectation of any good from the pastors, elders  and you certainly will next not be disappointed.

Because of my poor health I have had to retire from a physically active Ministry and next many people could not understand how I could be by myself alone, for such long periods of time, and for me it is very easy for I have Jesus to go directly to talk with, I do prefer his company above all others rightfully too. Learn to talk to Him directly about your concerns, not firstly the Pastors!!

(Luke 9:36 KJV)  And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.

(John 8:9 KJV)  And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst

Secondly the majority of these pastors they do not provide at all any real counseling help to their own flock in need even  in their own churches, and especially not related to  marital,  employment problems also even in Evangelical, Pentecostal churches. This  approach of their is  not really pastoring.. this is stealing money from the sheep!
 
Sadly most pastors  seem to want to only to preach, to  talk big and to be praised for it, to be  recognized, and admired by the others, for they tend to have a false, big ego that they want filled, but they still wrongfully not want to do also the real work, the dirty work at the sheep’s level.. Yes these same pastoral hypocrites also do  falsely tend to lie, slander others , gossip and also to delegate blame on one of the spouses even  in a martial problem situation, even with  invalid still reasons, basically for them not  to personally get involved.   The pastor would say something like  the husband or the wife  was at fault.. so the pastor is still talking only about the negative symptoms of a real marital problem,  and what is he real or false solution rather.. pass the buck wrongfully still to the others? Unacceptable and  I would rightfully not give any of my money at all to this type of Pastor or  his Church!
 
Pastoral marriage counseling it is also still mandatory for all Pastors, all of them too, it is mandatory still that they do also help each and every sheep in their flock, and do home visits as well..   and these two also are not optional.. but sadly majority of Pastors  they really still do not have love for the sheep.. and doing the dirtier jobs they wrongfully run away for it.. and God himself told me that this was all was immorally acts on the part of both of these pastors.. I never run away from any hard counseling.. for  I got God to help me.. Do thus  tell the pastor that up to 70 percent of the people have marriage problems, it is always the biggest pastoral need too..  and if he does not do this work than he is really not a real pastor..  just another hireling, or a wolf in sheep clothing..
 
You do clearly also have my permission to send these remarks  to them as well! I have already personally fired about 25 pastors in my life time.. and I do not hesitate to publicly expose them, rebuke them rightfully  remove them from office still.. any of the bad ones..
 
(Prov 27:5 KJV)  Open rebuke is better than secret love.  (Luke 17:3 KJV)  Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.  (Phil 2:15 KJV)  That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;  (1 Tim 5:20 KJV)  Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.  (2 Tim 4:2 KJV)  Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.  (Titus 1:13 KJV)  This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;  (Titus 2:15 KJV)  These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.  (Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.  Better to be rebuked by me than God next directly, for God then will not be so forgiving..
 
(Psa 18:39 KJV)  For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle: thou hast subdued under me those that rose up against me 40  Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me. 41  They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not. 42  Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets.
 
(Psa 18:46 KJV)  The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted. 47 It is God that avengeth me, and subdueth the people under me. 48  He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man.

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/divorce-and-remarriage-in-the-christian-church/

The trouble with anyone lying is that soon one will likely end up believing in one’s  own lies and one tends to  live out the lies next, to act upon their false delusions. This applies to people who lie to the courts, to politicians who lie to the citizens as well.. to Pastors who lie to their congregations.. Now I have personally seen this happen many times .. For example a pastor was personally asked to repent of his own  immorality. His own family asked him if the charges were true. The pastor replied you cannot believe anything the persons says he is crazy.. Soon the pastor’s family started to worry about this supposedly crazy person. To keep up the pretense the pastor even bought next a bullet proof car for protection for himself. This increased the stress upon his own family.. They lived out the pastor’s lie.. This was a punishment for the lies now as well. This same truth applies to ANYONE, Minister, lawyers, spouses  who lie to us or the courts  too. In the end the pastor still  lost his church anyway, because he next was still exposed for his wrong doings, cause you cannot lie to everyone.. some people saw the truth.. and did something good about it too.. they let the Pastor go.
 
 (Isa 29:15 KJV)  Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? (Psa 138:6 KJV)  Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off.
 
(Jer 23:16 KJV)  Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
 
God called me to be a Pastor, to minister full time to his people, but I did not accept it , in fact not next for about 20 years, and I had many false excuses.. excuses like  I was praying for the other people, pastors, even one specifically who next turned out to be an adulterer and he had children by another person who was not his wife.. and God next dealt with me through a series of negative dramatic events like the loss of my job, health, family, even still  I had another excuse too I was too bad of a sinner to be a pastor to which God replied and said if a gay pastor can pastor so can you.. that finally broke all my excuses too I agreed to be a Pastor for God.. God then had said to me enough is enough I am tired of you living a self indulged life serving vanities, and now next you will usefully work for me.. and testify of me even before “Kings and Queens”.. which I did for the next 20 years too.
 
Now there are still also at least six major things wrong with the North Americanized Gospel being preached falsely today even worldwide,
 
1 It is mostly man centered religion and not rather God centered, it still tends to exalts man, self, pride..not rather solely Jesus Christ ….
 
(2 Tim 3:1 KJV) This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
 
and not rather (1 Cor 2:2 KJV) For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
 
Furthermore it is undeniably clear that too many pastors, elders  are even  wrongfully pursing secular wealth, the owning of bigger and better homes, working at insuring adequate pensions moneys for themselves while neglecting to minister to the physical, spiritual needs of God’s people.
 
Did you know that Marriage counseling is the main and biggest ministry  today, it is the big need in churches today and yet still most pastor do even wrongfully refuse to do it, they rather even too many of them do wrongfully counsel divorce..
 
On the one hand many preachers preach that we all must live daily by faith, by faith in God to supply all of our needs but on the other hand they clearly beg for money, donations, even by wayoff mailing lists too.. they look unto man to supply their needs and not God in reality.. to me this is both hypocritical and contradictory and unacceptable.. to me these people are still the “Hirelings” that Jesus spoke about, even the “money changes” he kicked out of the temple, those people who instead of freely giving, put copyrights on their material and sell it to others.. for sadly too many even professing Christians have still even now made their the acquisition, pursuit of money, the false love for all of the things that money can buy, as their false idol, and one of their false goal in life, and as a result they now personally do not really have love for God, love for his people or love for others… and this is still really unacceptable to God.
 
“God demands also of the Pastor that he be holy, and he should be. There are more people walking in the counsel of the pastors than any other class of men in the world. When they are sad, they are glad to counsel with their pastor, and when they are happy and enjoying life, they delight in telling their pastor. So his counsel is constantly being sought and his advice taken. God pity the pastor who though does not feel the responsibility.”
 
The Old Testament book of Malachi was written to specifically to Pastors stealing God’s money.. and going along with divorce wrongfully too.  I have been a treasurer, church secretary and a wittiness and I have too often seen pastors and elders stealing the donated money for wrong personal use.. and often.. it is only a really big shock the first time..
 
In reality the majority of Pastors today are ungodly, and so out of curiosity I interviewed many, many of them personally to see how they arrived at that poor spiritual state.. a state of cheating, lying, stealing, slandering, gossiping, committing sexual immoralities too..  I have actually directly interviewed about 75 evangelical pastors, and I helped to fire about 12 or more of them too.. and most Pastors almost all did not pray daily or read their bible daily, or even use the Bible in counseling.. sad.. they are hireling, pretenders, imposters. Some of the most crooked Pastor I met were clearly not called for the ministry and I specifically asked them how they went into the ministry,, A really bad pastor that I loved used to preach out of books and not the Bible, he used to always ask for a monetary raise every time it seems one person was saved or added to the church, like many pastors I met he also liked to rig the supposedly fair church elections for the persons of his choice to the positions too. Trying to be nice , hoping to change him I asked him two personal questions. Pastor did God specifically call you into the Ministry? and is their such thing as power to live a Christian life? He replied no to both questions.. so how can he teach, lead others? he could not.. he was drastically removed. The reason he because a Pastor was that he wanted his Masters of Business administration but he could not afford to go to college so he went to Bible collage, and running the church was the same as running a business he said to me..Boy he needed to be pastored himself but his unrepentant sins stopped this. And he lost his church eventually, the church he had founded for he was exposed for not being called to the minsitry.. not equipped by it. Over 40 percent of pastors are fired more than once it seems..
 
Now as far as personally Giving.. a clearly separate subject.. We are to give of ourselves personally daily to God… and then all we have is his to use as he wills.. furthermore the Book of acts says we are in the local church to also firstly give to the poor Christians, and not only to the pastors, building funds, missionaries.. and how many churches now actually do this these days give to the poor.. it is the government who does it rather.. it supplies the social aid.
 
I am also not against voluntary tithing to the Lord Jesus Christ, or voluntary giving to the Lord Jesus Christ, AND to the poor persons. I am against trying to earn, buy your way into heaven, and also giving on the too often false man defined mandates that the still mostly false pastors themselves do define it.. by the too many mostly false pastors?
 
A personal desire to be a Pastor is not enough.. for you have to be specially be first called directly by God for the Ministry.. My own father agreed with me today on this and he said that was the biggest reason we have so many bad pastors, they were not called by God for the ministry
 
By the way the term Pastor is only mentioned once in the whole New Testament and why? cause there are many other offices God calls us to as well.. like the office of a Missionary, Apostle, prophet, evangelist, healing, elder, deacon, minister, etc., It is my rightful view view that Churches are not at all run by any Pastor, but RUN only by Jesus Christ and the elders (always plural), and note this they are all shepherds.. all of the elders i.e. apostles, prophets, teachers are all the shepherds of the Church)Pastor as plural too is mentioned only once in the NEW TESTAMENT and yet a whole false doctrine of their sole importance today is made, and that reference Pastor included also apostles, prophets, evangelist, and I do not care to believe in the still mostly lies of men but only what the Bible teaches itself.
 
(2 Cor 9:10 KJV) Now he that MINISTEReth seed to the sower both MINISTER bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness
 
(Heb 13:17 KJV) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
 
Thus the Pastors need to obey as well the existing Apostles and the existing prophets today..
The New Testament word MINISTER rightfully used to mean to be a humble shepherd feeding God’s flock but today it sadly has visible connotations of an air of superiority, of abusing others, of being worshipped, admired, being served upon, of self exaltations and self service even. Too many Pastors seem also do not like to be called SHEPHERDS, THEY LIKE TO USE THE SECULAR WORD LEADERS.. even a captain of the ship.. and this makes me think of “Mutiny on the Bounty”. Pastos, elders are al servants who are to minister to all of God’s people.
(Rev 21:4 KJV)  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
 
(Eccl 8:13 KJV)  But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he feareth not before God.
 
(Psa 5:4 KJV)  For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
 
(Deu 24:16 KJV)  The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
 
(Psa 33:17 KJV)  An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.
 
(Exo 20:23 KJV)  Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
 
(Lev 26:1 KJV)  Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
 
(2 Ki 17:38 KJV)  And the covenant that I have made with you ye shall not forget; neither shall ye fear other gods.
 
(Isa 43:10 KJV)  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
 
(Lev 11:44 KJV)  For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy:
 
(Isa 32:6 KJV)  For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail. 7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
 
All, absolutely all persons who deviate from the words of God found in the Bible are deviates, perverts, liars, that includes any Church elders, pastors, members, adherents. Those who lie do have a hidden agenda, it includes the false exaltation of self and the false oppression of others.
 
One of Satan’s agendas is to dominate, oppress all human beings and do note  this is also the agenda of his followers, of all those persons whole live in the flesh and not by the spirit of God. Jesus has come to set us free even free, from slavery to any others too,  from sin and it’s consequences, and not rather to put us again into bondage, even more false bondage.. so beware of men, even of preachers, watch out always too.. and watch out especially for those who quote other men’s words, who put forth their own words,  and still do claim they are God’s words ..

(Mat 20:26 KJV) But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your MINISTER;

(Mat 20:28 KJV) Even as the Son of man came not to be MINISTERed unto, but to MINISTER, and to give his life a ransom for many.

(Mat 25:44 KJV) Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not MINISTER unto thee?

(Rom 15:16 KJV) That I should be the MINISTER of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, MINISTERing the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

(Rom 15:25 KJV) But now I go unto Jerusalem to MINISTER unto the saints.

(Rom 15:27 KJV) It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to MINISTER unto them in carnal things.

(Eph 3:7 KJV) Whereof I was made a MINISTER, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power

Once again the words man, men, MINISTER to me are generic terms, includes male and females, both male and females can be shepherds in the house of God?

(1 Pet 5:2 KJV) Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

(Jer 48:10 KJV) Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.

(Psa 51:17 KJV) The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Note the sole New Testament reference to the term Pastor is still only a plural one.. and also clearly along with with the presently existing other gifted offices now too.Truly I am rightfully disappointed with those Pastors who to elevate their own self importance mislead others, misquote the Bible by even now making the term “pastor” a singular term only.. a fact not supported in the New Testament Bible. There are many shepherds of the one local church, flock, many pastors, not just the one. These false pastors would like us also all to believe that they are the individual owners of the sheep as well and we have to obey them in all things. But Personal Submission is always mutual and voluntary.

(Eph 4:11 KJV) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

(1 Cor 16:16 KJV) That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with us, and laboureth.

and now if God had called, hired you then next he directly will pay you.. does not even your secular employer pay you after you have been hired.. but if you have not been hired by a firm then you cannot expect them to pay you,..

1 Tim 6:10 KJV) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows

(John 2:15 KJV) And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;

(John 2:16 KJV) And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.

(Mat 10:8 KJV) Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

(Mat 10:9 KJV) Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

and there’s also a verse that says that you shouldn’t muzzle an ox while it’s threshing.

Too sadly I have actually heard this verse quoted by mamy persons justifying stealing from their employers..

The issues THAT I have dealt with here TOO are important, issues that I personally have been concerned with the last 35 years to they are issues that need to be dealt with still.
 
In my own life time I have seen many supposedly sincere, even hard working pastors, most pastors next fired from their jobs next, and often unexpectedly. Why? They firstly sought their own agenda, preached their own message, not God’s. They were rebellious to God.
 
(Prov 25:14 KJV)  Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.
 
(Psa 104:3 KJV)  Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: 4  Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
 
(Eccl 11:5 KJV)  As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
 
When Pharaoh refused to listen to Moses to let his people go and worship him God sent plagues upon pharaoh.. when people of Israel disobeyed God sent negative plagues upon them.. God does the same thing today as well.. believe it or not too, even upon individuals, cities, states, provinces, nations too.
 
(Jer 5:5 KJV)  I will get me unto the great men, and will speak unto them; for they have known the way of the LORD, and the judgment of their God: but these have altogether broken the yoke, and burst the bonds.  6  Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil them, a leopard shall watch over their cities: every one that goeth out thence shall be torn in pieces: because their transgressions are many, and their backslidings are increased. 7  How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots’ houses. 8  They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbour’s wife. 9  Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this? 10  Go ye up upon her walls, and destroy; but make not a full end: take away her battlements; for they are not the LORD’S. 11  For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the LORD. 12  They have belied the LORD, and said, It is not he; neither shall evil come upon us; neither shall we see sword nor famine: 13  And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them.
 
(Jer 7:2 KJV)  Stand in the gate of the Lord’s house, and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the word of the LORD, all ye of Judah, that enter in at these gates to worship the LORD. 3  Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. 4  Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these. 5  For if ye thoroughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye thoroughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour; 6  If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt: 7  Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever. 8  Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. 9  Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; 10  And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations? 11  Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD. 12  But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel. 13  And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the LORD, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not; 14  Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. 15  And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim. 16  Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.
 
(Jer 7:20 KJV)  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.
 
(Jer 7:23 KJV)  But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.24   But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
 
(Jer 7:28 KJV)  But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.
 
(Isa 30:10 KJV)  Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
 
(Isa 65:5 KJV)  Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
 
(Jer 21:13 KJV)  Behold, I am against thee, O inhabitant of the valley, and rock of the plain, saith the LORD; which say, Who shall come down against us? or who shall enter into our habitations?
 
(Ezek 11:3 KJV)  Which say, It is not near; let us build houses: this city is the caldron, and we be the flesh.
 
(Amos 4:1 KJV)  Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink. 2  The Lord GOD hath sworn by his holiness, that, lo, the days shall come upon you, that he will take you away with hooks, and your posterity with fishhooks.
 
(Amos 9:10 KJV)  All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
 
(Mat 23:16 KJV)  Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
 
(Rev 2:2 KJV)  I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
 
(Rev 3:9 KJV)  Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 
(Lev 19:12 KJV)  And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
 
(Deu 18:19 KJV)  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
 
(Deu 18:20 KJV)  But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
 
(2 Chr 7:16 KJV)  For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.
 
(Isa 42:8 KJV)  I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
 
(Isa 43:7 KJV)  Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
 
(Isa 48:11 KJV)  For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
 
(Isa 52:6 KJV)  Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
 
(Jer 7:10 KJV)  And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?11 Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.12  But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.
 
(Jer 7:14 KJV)  Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh.
 
(Jer 7:30 KJV)  For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
 
(Jer 12:16 KJV)  And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people.
 
(Jer 14:14 KJV)  Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
 
(Jer 14:15 KJV)  Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
 
(Jer 16:21 KJV)  Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The LORD.
 
(Jer 23:25 KJV)  I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
 
(Jer 23:27 KJV)  Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
 
(Jer 25:29 KJV)  For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
 
(Jer 27:15 KJV)  For I have not sent them, saith the LORD, yet they prophesy a lie in my name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you.
 
(Jer 29:9 KJV)  For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.
 
(Jer 29:23 KJV)  Because they have committed villany in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbours’ wives, and have spoken lying words in my name, which I have not commanded them; even I know, and am a witness, saith the LORD.
 
(Jer 32:34 KJV)  But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it.
 
(Jer 34:15 KJV)  And ye were now turned, and had done right in my sight, in proclaiming liberty every man to his neighbour; and ye had made a covenant before me in the house which is called by my name:16  But ye turned and polluted my name, and caused every man his servant, and every man his handmaid, whom he had set at liberty at their pleasure, to return, and brought them into subjection, to be unto you for servants and for handmaids.
 
(Zec 5:4 KJV)  I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.
 
(Mat 24:5 KJV)  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
 
(John 15:16 KJV)  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
 
(Acts 15:17 KJV)  That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

 It seems in reality that at least 70 percent of pastors, including evangelicals ones, even in Alberta too, in North America commit adultery and/or counsel divorce, cause sadly they are clearly too often still sex maniacs. Note unrepentant sins are often exposed openly in the Bible now too, shouted from the housetops

You have to be called directly, personally by God to be a pastor,. and God will next give you the love for the job, the people, he will God equip you for all of the tasks.. still sadly many Pastors still are not God called, but self chosen..
A pastor’s commitment next to his people includes first keeping his commitment to serve God firstly, not man or self.. A pastor admitted to me he did not have a full commitment to God.. I was shocked at his still corruption

It was a great shock to me when I had switched over to the Pentecostal faith from the Brethren, Baptist faith to see just as many bad and, crooked pastors there now too.. 

Pastors too, no matter to what or to whom you attribute the sin in your life, you are still a sinner that is going to hell unless you overcome that sin by Jesus Christ

The BASIC issue about too many bad pastors even these days now is not just about the Pentecostal PASTORS but the subject OF TOO MANY bad pastors we seem to have in most denominations still too and STILL why?

Even because many of these BAD people, bad pastors EVEN THE too often false critics are mostly still serving self, doing their own thing, looking up to mere man and not God.. and man’s help is useless for the most part in understanding spiritual things still too. They need to grow up spiritually as well. Are any of you, Pastors, elders, now claiming to be a better teacher, guide than the Holy Spirit himself? so where is your evidence of being spirit filled, evidence of real love too?

Where is the power of God that we see in the Prophets, in Christ and in the Apostles? And what are we doing that is now different in the Church from that I read of in the book of Acts in the Bible?

Follow the Anointing Luke 4:14 “And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.” Over the years many have questioned the lack of power in their Baptism of the Holy Spirit as opposed to what they read in Scripture and the New Testament and here we have the answer that has been in plain sight for all to see all along and in quite concrete terms –

Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

Sadly too often the pastors tend to be legalists sadly.. control freaks, abusive persons due to a false pride, and their religion rather too often a mere cultural movement, it seems..

I had to call the police against a crooked AOG pastor who was abusing me, stealing money, stealing from his flock in my witness too. I am known for and I like to deal with the whole truth too..

Pastors too often still do falsely think they are above the law and yet many of them have, do threaten to sue you when you get too close and personal about them. They want it both ways, they cannot though. They the evangelical pastors firstly do need to get real, to act like real Christians firstly now and work for God rather then self. The bad pastors are trying to get falsely their rewards on earth it seems and not in heaven.. Do what I say and not what I do is what they also too often do still preach. Pastors have to firstly be a good example of what they preach to others as well..

So the other real question as to whether apostles, prophets, pastor teachers exists today as in the Time of Jesus Christ first needs to be superseded by the question as to whether all true Christians are now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, Anointed, Greek word , Christos meaning one who shows evidence of the holy Spirit.. and the answer is yes… all true Christians are evidentiary now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, and if the other people cannot see this you certainly are not a true Christian.

“The Christian church needs a whole lot less showmanship and a lot more humble leaders who work patiently and persistently in their local congregations for the growth of God’s people in faith, in love and in hope. “

Mercy is given by God to those who repent for a start.,, not those who claim they have like Tim the false accuser of the good brethren still too

while their own actions show the reality they still really have not really repented now personaly..

Anyone saw the proof that even Todd Bentley had repented? The topic  crooked pastors… a too common undeniable reality theses days in Canada too

Still all Pastors need to take the beam out of their own eyes before preaching to others still too.. I rightfully would rather see a sermon personally practiced over one merely falsely preached to others. I was shocked that not only adultery is a common pastor problem still but so is alcohol.. and what else? lying, slander, abuse of others..

(2 Tim 3:1 KJV)  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8  Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9  But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Would you still  believe it that one person next still wrote back to me and said he could not understand what I  had written that was so bad even about him, of what his sins were, their false  denial of their personal sins is so deep, they have been abusing others, sinning so long that it has become natural, acceptable to them.
 
(Mat 18:6 KJV)  But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
 
(Mat 18:7 KJV)  Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
 
(Mat 18:8 KJV)  Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
 
(Mat 18:9 KJV)  And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
 
(Mat 18:10 KJV)  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
 
 

 

What the Bible says about Israel and the Church, one in history and prophecy

(Mat 23:37 KJV)  O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38  Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39  For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.  24:1  And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to show him the buildings of the temple. 2  And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 

Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. (Romans 10:1-2)
  
“Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it  necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all  delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out  for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
 
-Jude 1:3-4  “I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to  a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert  the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you  than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say  again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be  accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased  men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.” -Gal 1:6-10
 
And do you have one, one New Testament verse that confirms Israel’s present return and possession of the Promised land. I am not aware of one, If you do which one is it?  It is unbelievable, undeniable  that the professing Christian people who do not know the Bible can be so easily deceived, led astray too by many others, bad pastors and Jewish persons, Zionists included..  We can all easily know that the Jews had revolted. despised God  and helped to kill their own Messiah Jesus Christ now as well, so their temple was destroyed and they were scattered world wide. Deuteronomy 28:64 “Then the Lord will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods–gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.” and no return was promsed the third time and why?  http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/even-as-to-the-promised-land/
 
Too many fundamentals, professing Christians now falsely do ste that the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 was prophesied in Scripture while there is no direct support of this in the New Testament Bible even still. Zionism, on the other hand, “is a secularist, largely atheistic ideology” that emerged in the late 19th century. God still does not require the human input to fulfill his own prophecies. Now too many Christian Zionists, extremists do falsely do now believe that in order to fulfill all of the Biblical prophecy, Israel must next conquer most of the Middle East. And anyone watched the mostly self centered, get richer TV evangelists such as a Pat Robertson or John Hagee and their distorted sermons scenarios involving the future “Rapture,” Jesus Christ and also Israel, should also quickly firstly now realize that these false prophets are not only fleecing, scaring their flock to give more money but falsely are into worshipping the false idol of Israel. .John Hagee pays himself over a million dollars a year in TAX FREE money while having several palaces to live in, like the $2.1 million 7,969-acre ranch outside Brackettville, Texas , with five lodges, including a “main lodge” and a gun locker.;Once considered a small marginal doctrine among evangelicals, the false dispensationalist theology of Christian Zionism has greatly escalated, ironically falsely with the help of jess, Messianic Jews, Judaizers and many others too. The reality still is that the parable of the vineyard (Matt 21:33-43) clearly shows that the Christian Church totally now rather succumbs all of the past promises made to Israel. Be careful about accepting anyone’s word about Christian Zionism do first read the Bible, New Testament for yourself and know the truth rather. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-2-promised-returns/
 
Let them firstly look at their own scriptures..
   
Be strong and courageous, because you will lead these people to inherit the land I swore to their forefathers to give them. (Joshua 1,6)
 
 
(Deu 4:23 KJV)  Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee. 24  For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God. 25  When thou shalt beget children, and children’s children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger: 26  I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed. 27  And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you. 28  And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. 29   But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. 30  When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; 31   (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.   
 (Deu 28:1 KJV)  And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
(Deu 28:15 KJV)  But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:…. (Deu 28:33 KJV)  The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:.. (Deu 28:48 KJV)  Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee… (Deu 28:52 KJV)  And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee… (Deu 28:63 KJV)  And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it… (Deu 28:66 KJV)  And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

So Joshua took the entire land, just as the LORD had directed Moses, and he gave it as an inheritance to Israel according to their tribal divisions. Then the land had rest from war. (Joshua 11,23)

You gave them kingdoms and nations, allotting to them even the remotest frontiers… You made their sons as numerous as the stars in the sky, and you brought them into the land that you told their fathers to enter and possess. (Nehemiah 9,22-23) 
  
So the LORD gave Israel all the land he had sworn to give their forefathers, and they took possession of it and settled there. The LORD gave them rest on every side, just as he had sworn to their forefathers. Not one of their enemies withstood them; the LORD handed all their enemies over to them. Not one of all the Lord’s good promises to the house of Israel failed; every one was fulfilled. (Joshua 21,43-45)
 
Now who can falsely say that God’s promises to Israel have not yet been fulfilled? http://www.christianzionism.org/BibleSays/Sizer01.asp
  
“Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,  do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: that the God of our  Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the  knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is  the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what  is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at  His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality and power and might and  dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.”
-Eph 1:15-21
                  
Unanswered Questions? Or is the answer undeniable, too obvious?Why is there such a close relationship today between the Christian Right, the American political establishment and the State of Israel? Why after 40 years, does Israel continue to occupy territory in Lebanon (the Sheba Farms), Syria (the Golan Heights) and Palestine (the West Bank) while Syria has been pressured to withdraw from Lebanon? Why is Israel allowed to retain nuclear weapons while Iran is threatened with a pre-emptive attack for aspiring to obtain nuclear technology? And how have Britain and America become the focus of so much hate in the Arab world and the target for Islamic terrorism – despite out commitment to the rule of international law, democracy and human rights?

Christian Zionism is undoubtedly a dominant force shaping US foreign policy in the Middle East.

The Pew Research Centre recently discovered that 60% of evangelicals said they supported the state of Israel,  and 32% cited their religious beliefs as the primary reason for such support. But does the Bible support the Sate of Israel existence today?

Discovering what the Bible actually, truly  now has to say about the relationship between Israel and the Church, in history and prophecy, more then just an academic exercise.

 

Did the coming of Jesus, his death and resurrection and the founding of the Church, fulfill or postpone the past biblical prophecies concerning Israel? Is the Church central to God’s purposes on earth, or merely a temporary side show?

Covenantalism or Dispensationalism?

 
Covenantalists tend to see the coming of Jesus as the fulfillment of the promises made to Israel while dispensationalists tend to see it as the postponement of those promises.

Covenantalists believe the Bible teaches that God has one ‘chosen people’ called out from among the nations. Dispensationalists believe the Bible teaches that God has two separate and distinct peoples – the Church and Israel.

If Covenantalists emphasize the continuity within God’s progressive revelation, Dispensationalists emphasize the discontinuity, distinguishing seven ‘dispensations’ in biblical history when God has tested mankind in a different way, and each time they have failed.

Covenantalists tend to regard promises relating to the Land, Jerusalem and the temple as annulled or fulfilled in the Church. Dispensationalists tend to see them as still in force and either being, or about to be, fulfilled in Israel today.
 
Covenantalists tend to be neutral or positive about the future before the return of Jesus being either amillennial or postmillennial. Dispensationalists tend to be premillennial and pessimistic about the future.
 
I believe the dispensational framework has been artificially imposed on the Scriptures creating divisions that are not there and ignoring those that are there.
 
Judaism is a religious system. Israel is a sovereign nation. Zionism is a political system. These three are not synonymous.
  
I respect Judaism, repudiate anti-Semitism, encourage interfaith dialogue and defend Israel’s right to exist within borders recognised by the international community and agreed with her neighbours. But like many Jews, I disagree with a political system which gives preference to expatriate Jews born elsewhere in the world, while denying the same rights to the Arab Palestinians born in the country itself. Jimmy Carter is not alone in describing the Zionism practiced by the present government of Israel as a form of apartheid.

The apostle Peter, preaching after Pentecost, and citing Moses, similarly warned those who rejected Jesus, “Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.” (Acts 3:23). Covenantalists believe there has only ever been one people of God – whether under the old or new covenant – and one way to God – by Jesus, grace alone and through faith alone.

Most of the Jews even today  and the Judaizers have refused God plan through the ages , that of Jesus being the messiah and they continue on with their own earthly, fleshly replacement, earthly goals, plans.
 
Yes, we must read the Bible literally. We must also read the Bible contextually.  We must read the Bible progressively. The Holy Spirit inspired the Bible, and he needs to teach it to us, not some mere man or women, and Jesus is still the center of all prophecies, and not mankind or the Jews. (Rev 19:10 KJV)  And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Even the Apostles didn’t always do this straight away. They brought their Jewish presuppositions with them which sometimes falsely colored their hopes and expectations.

We too need the same illuminating work of the Holy Spirit as we read the Bible, to see the harmony and progression in God’s purposes. But to do that we need to pray and ask God to teach us and to also still read the Bible ourselves now.. not wrongfully let someone else supposedly read and interpret the Bible for us.
 
(2 Tim 2:15 KJV)  Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16    But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

It is also this still important to rightfully also distinguishes, properly interpreting the valid prophetic and apocalyptic scriptures since  prophetic messages often differs from  the apocalyptic  messages. Sometimes Biblical books contain both the prophetic and the apocalyptic. The Book of Revelation is one example Prophetic and  apocalyptic literature like Revelation should be interpreted in harmony with the teachings of the entire Bible
 
Now there are two basic errors ultra-literalists make regarding the prophetic and apocalyptic literature: First, they ignore the historical setting of the passages and the way in which they have already been fulfilled. Second, they read back into the passages contemporary events and develop novel ways to interpret them as if they were speaking of present day readers. This heresy is not new.

Jesus and the apostles tell us quite plainly that some parts of the Hebrew Scriptures have been fulfilled, annulled or superseded.  The question is therefore not whether the promises of the Old Testament should be understood literally or allegorically. It is instead a question of whether they should be understood in terms of Old Covenant ‘shadow’ or in terms of New Covenant ‘reality’. 
 
When Christian writers forcefully interpret contemporary events in the light of prophecy, they run into errors and difficulties. For example,
– Hal Lindsey insisted that Russia’s place in history was predicted in the Bible but as Russia power declined, Lindsey switched his emphasis to Islamic Fundamentalism
-Traditionally some have held the view  ‘Babylon the Great’ (Revelation 14:8 and 17:5), variously interpreted as the Roman Empire, the Vatican, and the European Community. – but too many now  switched their Biblical  interpretations,  emphasis to Iraq,  Babylon being  rebuilt before the final battle of Armageddon  and who knows what to next?

The superficial appeal of these kind of interpretations are mostly  short-lived as the wreckage of previous false Prophetic claims do now testify evidentially.

For ultra-literalists, too often  the biblical text seems to need a little false personal adding to the word of God,  ‘enhancing’ to make their interpretation more obvious.  Ultra-literalists have perpetuated the false principle of ‘enhancing’ the text to reinforce their own mostly false interpretations. While the ultra-literalists Dispensationalist Bible Scholars claim to provide ‘consistent interpretation’, they nonetheless reach very different conclusions, meaning they rarely agree with each other, and even contradict each other mostly still.
 
Continued.. read these References 
  
For the Love of Zion (the Bible tells them so) (Seminar 1/5), by Dr. Stephen Sizer  Why is there such a close relationship today between the Christian Right, the American political establishment and the State of Israel? Why after 40 years, does Israel continue to occupy territory in Lebanon (the Sheba Farms), Syria (the Golan Heights) and Palestine (the West Bank) while Syria has been pressured to withdraw from Lebanon? Why is Israel allowed to retain nuclear weapons while Iran is threatened with a pre-emptive attack for aspiring to obtain nuclear technology? And how have Britain and America become the focus of so much hate in the Arab world and the target for Islamic terrorism – despite out commitment to the rule of international law, democracy and human rights? The answers to these questions remain inexplicable unless we factor in what is now probably the most influential and controversial movement amongst Christians today – Christian Zionism. Full Article Here
http://www.cc-vw.org/articles/zcs1.pdf
 
Israel and the Church: Who are God’s Chosen People? (Seminar 2/5), by Dr. Stephen Sizer  How often have you heard the Jewish people described as God’s ‘chosen people’? Probably so often that you have never even questioned it. It is so ingrained that to deny it is often seen as evidence of anti-Semitism. As is the assumption that God blesses and curses nations on the basis of how they treat Israel – which is sometimes used as a threat. This view goes back to Genesis 12:3. Jerry Falwell, for example, says God is blessing America because ‘America has been kind to the Jew.’1 He claims that God ‘will bless those who bless the Jews and curse whoever curses the Jews.’2 That is why Christians United or Israel conducts ‘a Night to Honor Israel’3 in as many cities as possible so that God will continue to bless America and Canada.
 
It may surprise you to discover that the New Testament never uses the term ‘chosen’ to describe the Jewish people. It is only used of those who follow Jesus. Does that mean God has two separate ‘chosen people’? Some like to think so. They are usually called ‘dispensationalists’ and this is a popular viewpoint among evangelicals in the United States.
In this chapter we will begin by looking at the evidence for two ‘chosen people’ and then tackle the ‘blessing and cursing’ issue. Then we will examine the term ‘Israel’ in the Old and New Testament. We shall then consider some of the biblical imagery God uses to describe his relationship to his people such as the analogy of the vine and the vineyard. We also need to define what we mean by words like ‘Jew’, ‘chosen’ and ‘children of God’. Full Article Here
http://www.cc-vw.org/articles/zcs2.pdf

The Promised Land – From the Nile to the Euphrates? (Seminar 3/5), by Dr. Stephen Sizer  In this chapter we will consider what the Bible has to say about the significance and purposes of the Promised Land as well its geographical extent. Then we will look at whether the land was intended as an ‘everlasting possession’ of the Jewish people or whether they were only temporary residents. Then we will examine the terms under which they were allowed to return after the exile, and whether the kingdom was nationalistic or universal. Finally we must consider what Jesus and the apostles have to say about all this. Full Article Here
http://www.cc-vw.org/articles/zcs3.pdf

Battle for Jerusalem: The Eternal Capital of the Jews? (Seminar 4/5), by Dr. Stephen Sizer  Many evangelicals, especially in America, accept unthinkingly the Zionist mantra that Jerusalem is the undivided, eternal and exclusive capital of the State of Israel. However, Jerusalem existed before the time of the Israelites. Today, Jerusalem lies at the heart of three world faiths – Judaism, Islam and Christianity. Israelis regard it as their capital. Palestinians do so also. Attempts to reach agreement in the wider Arab-Israeli conflict have partly stumbled over the contested status of Jerusalem. Jewish Zionists and their Christian supporters are strongly opposed to joint sovereignty or the recognition of East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine. It seems time is on their side. The annexation of the Old City, the aggressive and illegal settlement programme, the systematic demolition of many Arab homes and the construction of the Separation Barrier have all created ‘facts on the ground’ in Jerusalem. Christian and Jewish Zionists also claim a higher mandate for this agenda – the Word of God.  Full Article Here
http://www.cc-vw.org/articles/zcs4.pdf
The Coming Last Day’s Temple – Ready to Rebuild? (Seminar 5/5), by Dr. Stephen Sizer Just 500 metres by 300 metres, the Temple Mount, or Haram Al Sharif as it is called in Arabic, is probably the most disputed plot of land on earth. Hal Lindsey claims, ‘I believe the fate of the world will be determined by an ancient feud over 35 acres of land.’  Many Christians share the belief that the Islamic shrines must be destroyed and that a Jewish Temple must and will be rebuilt – very soon. But this won’t be a museum replica of the one king Solomon built or be just another attraction for pilgrims to the Holy Land. No, this Temple will be built for one purpose and one purpose only – for bloody animal sacrifices, and lots of them. In this chapter we want to explore the case for rebuilding the Jewish Temple; consider whether the Bible predicts such an event; and if so, where and how it might be built. We will then look at what the New Testament has to say on the subject and some of the implications for Christianity should the Jewish Temple be rebuilt. Finally, we will reveal that the Temple is actually under construction (but don’t peep). http://www.cc-vw.org/articles/zcs5.pdf
do see also http://www.cc-vw.org/articles/zcs6.pdf   Overture to Armageddon: Want to be Left Behind?
Christian Zionists of the Dispensationalist variety tend to make absolute claims for their interpretation of key biblical texts. What serious students of the Bible have long known, however, is that there are different ways of reading the same texts. This is particularly true of the more difficult passages of scripture related to the Second Coming of Christ. Click on the article title to go directly to the full article, or on the author’s name to go to a summary/lead-in 
 
  
Article Title Author
An Alternative Evangelical Reading of Scripture Burge, Gary M, PhD
The Land in the New Testament Devenish, David
Distinction Between Israel and the Church Gerstner, John
Christ is Coming? Christ is Here! Moody, Stan
The Meaning of the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 12) Sizer, Stephen
For the Love of Zion: The Bible tells them so. (Seminar 1/5) Sizer, Stephen
Israel and the Church: Who are God’s chosen people? (Seminar 2/5) Sizer, Stephen
The Promised Land: From the Nile to the Euphrates? (Seminar 3/5) Sizer, Stephen
Battle for Jerusalem: The Eternal Capital of the Jews? (Seminar 4/5) Sizer, Stephen
The Coming Last Day’s Temple: Ready to Rebuild? (Seminar 5/5) Sizer, Stephen
The Rapture? (I Thessalonians 4: 15-18) Swire, Father Daniel
The Use of Scripture in Christian Zionism: a critical examination Tilling, Chris
Christian Approaches to the State of Israel Wilson, John M.
  
Summaries

The Land in the New Testament, by David Devenish What does the New Testament teach about the land of Israel? Answer: absolutely nothing. There are no references to the importance of the land or of Jerusalem as a ‘holy city’. Some would say that this is simply an argument from silence and that there are sufficient promises in the Old Testament to establish the land as belonging to the Jewish people without the need for New Testament confirmation. However, not only is there silence about the land but the whole tenor of the New Testament message and revelation of God’s saving purpose amongst His people points in a different direction.  To a Samaritan, despised by the Jews, Jesus makes special places of worship (including Jerusalem) a redundant concept (John 4:21). When marveling at the faith of a Gentile centurion, Jesus applied to the gathering in of Gentile peoples from all over the world the Old Testament promises of the bringing of God’s people from the east and west into the promised blessings alongside Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Matt. 8:11).   

An Alternative Evangelical Reading of Scripture, By Gary M Burge, PhD In Genesis 12, 15 and 17 God promises the Holy Land to Abraham and his descendents. To Christian Zionists this promise of land inheritance was permanent and unconditional. And it is as true in Biblical times as it is today. This means that for Christian Zionists, the covenant of Abraham continues to be in play today . And as Christians this forces them to have what we call a “two covenant” theology: one covenant for the Jews and one for Christians operates in the church. In a word, the work of Christ does not replace or supplant the Jewish covenant. Reformed theologians (like myself) believe that something decisive happened in Christ. His covenant affected not simply the covenant of Moses – making a new and timeless form of salvation – but it also affected every Jewish covenant, including Abraham’s covenant. Christ fulfills the expectations of Jewish covenant life and renews the people of God rooted in the OT and Judaism. Thus Jesus is a new temple, the new Israel, there are 12 tribes/apostles, etc.
 
The Dispensational Distinction Between Israel and the Church, by John Gerstner  Perhaps the central doctrine of dispensationalism is the distinction between Israel and the church. Dispensationalism sees Israel as an earthly people with earthly promises, and the church as a heavenly people with heavenly promises. Membership in Israel is by natural birth.15 One enters the church by supernatural birth. Dispensationalists view Israel and the church as having distinct eternal destinies. Israel will receive an eternal earthly Kingdom, and the church an eternal heavenly Kingdom. Darby, the father of dispensationalism, stated the distinction in the clearest of terms: “The Jewish nation is never to enter the church.”16
Ryrie considers this the most important dispensational distinction, and approves the statement that… “the basic promise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity.”17 In contrast, Christian theology has always maintained the essential continuity of Israel and the church. The elect of all the ages are seen as one people, with one Savior, one destiny. This continuity can be shown by examining a few Old Testament prophesies with their fulfillment. Dispensationalists admit that if the church can be shown to be fulfilling promises made to Israel their system is doomed. If the church is fulfilling Israel’s promises as contained in the new covenant or anywhere in the Scriptures, then [dispensational] premillennialism is condemned.18
  

Christ is Coming?  Christ is here!, by Stan Moody, PhD, To properly study Christian Zionism, it is critical to examine certain presuppositions. Universally accepted among Evangelicals is the dogma that Christ’s so-called Second Coming will be personal, corporeal and visible. Once we begin from that premise, there is no alternative than to ask, “Where?” and “When?” The “How” and “Why” become subordinate.  Thus, all our time is spent on the timing and locus of the event rather than on its nature. Even efforts to counter the extremism of Christian Zionism emanate from the assumption that Jesus has to return at some concrete/specific, cataclysmic moment in human history to rescue the world from the weight of its own sin. An inconvenient truth is that this was the mission of the First Advent. Men of Galilee, why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven (Acts 1:11 NIV). For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ (Titus 2:11-13 NASV).

The Meaning of the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 12), by Dr. Stephen Sizer  We must begin our consideration of the Abrahamic Covenant not in Genesis 12 but Genesis 2. The covenant began with Gods creation of a paradise, represented in the garden. This was the place where people could receive all of God’s blessings and commune in fellowship with Him. This is where the image of land begins in the Bible. This land of paradise was lost in the Fall but a foretaste of heaven is reflected in the imagery of the promise made to Abraham.
The Lord had said to Abram, “Leave your country, your people and your father’s household and go to the land I will show you. (Genesis 12:1)  When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless. I will confirm my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers”. Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, “As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.” (Genesis 17:1-8)

The Rapture? (I Thessalonians 4: 15-18), by Father Daniel Swire The doctrine of a “Rapture” does not originate in the book of the Revelation. The word “rapture” is not actually found anywhere in any English translations of the Bible. It comes from the Latina word, rapere, which is is usually translated “caught up” in the English translations of 1 Thessalonians 4:17.   Here is what we read in I Thessalonians 4: 15-18: For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18)

The use of Scripture in Christian Zionism: a critical examination, by Chris Tilling In the next few posts I shall discuss the handling of Scripture in Christian Zionism (CZ). I will suggest it is marked by a proof-texting mentality that not only misunderstands the nature of biblical prophecy, but also displays a naïve and inconsistent hermeneutic. In a later post in this series I’ll also suggest why this subject isn’t merely a theological curiosity – and something best left alone – but impacts world politics. In fact, I suggest it also negatively distracts discipleship to Jesus and thus needs to be challenged. And the use of Scripture in Christian Zionism gets right to the heart of the problem, hence the focus of this small series.

Christian Approaches to the State of Israel, by John M Wilson Jews have an ongoing role in the furthering of God’s ultimate redemptive purposes. But no matter what standard or position one adopts, Christians must not be blind to Joseph Klausner’s objection that Christianity has sought to remove the national and political aspects of the prophetic hope (The Messianic Idea in Israel, p. 10). God works through the sacred and the secular. . . .[I]f God can call a pagan Persian named Cyrus ‘his anointed’ (Isa. 45:1), and another pagan king, Nebuchadnezzar, ‘my servant’ (Jer. 25:9), and accomplish his holy purposes among the nations through both, who can say what plans God may yet have in store for those who from of old have been his people? (ibid, p. 268). Real estate theology is, at best, precarious theology. . . .For centuries Jews suffered discrimination and victimization at the hands of Christians whose theological convictions seemed to permit [encourage] such unjust activity. . . .Therefore, we conclude, as long as Arabs and Jews argue from nonnegotiable theological absolutes, human beings can offer little hope for peace

 
There actually is no Biblical promised prophecy, a promised second return of the Jews to Israel in the Old Testament or next in the whole Bible now too.  after Israel’s, Jews   second dispersion from Israel by the Romans in 70 ad.. . Not even one New testament Bible verse even for even the Jewish return in 1948..  Do now try prove me wrong..
It is unbelievable, undeniable  that the professing Christian people who do not know the Bible can be so easily deceived, led astray too by many others, pastors and Jewish persons, Zionists included.. And had most people most Christians read the Bible for themselves they would have known the whole truth and would not have been  so easily misled by others. 
 
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The Bible and the Jews

Ten Old testament Biblical Prophecies for certainty Fulfilled Today regarding the Jews

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(Luke 12:53 KJV)  The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

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Firstly any one who looks at the subject of prophecy, a real genuine Bible student knows that too many Jews ,who can only use the old testament, and there is almost no new testament substantiation for it, still the Jews,  and many others have wrongfully now Distorted Biblical Prophecy Interpretation after the time of Jesus Christ to suit their false Jewish’s ends, a Jewish purpose, for they like Judas they betray Jesus Christ by these acts for Jesus next made it clear the second Jewish Kingdom of God was not in this world..  (John 18:36 KJV)  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
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These 10 Bible prophecies fulfilled at least, there are more too, though had said that Israel would become a country, that it would be destroyed, that the Jews would be scattered worldwide and persecuted, that the Jews would have a worldwide impact, and that they would next return to  these prophecies were  fulfilled in the old Testament times
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1. The Jews would have their own country
 
Bible passage: Genesis 15:18 (Gen 15:18 KJV)  In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Fulfilled: 1400 BC  In Genesis 15:18, the Bible said the descendants of Abraham (Abram) would have their own country, between Egypt and the Euphrates. This prophecy has been fulfilled . About 3400 years ago, the Jews first established Israel. Then, about 2900 years ago, Israel divided into two kingdoms, called Judah and Israel. Both kingdoms were later conquered by the Assyrians and Babylonians.
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On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates…”
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The Jews , Christian who lie that this prophecies was also refullfilled in 1948 need to be remind that they do not have the land from from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: and there was no second promised return made by Jesus or the Apostles
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2. Jacob saw a vision of Israel’s future
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Bible passage: (Gen 28:10 KJV)  And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran.  11  And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. 12  And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.13  And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; 14   And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. 15   And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.

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Written: perhaps 1400 BC Fulfilled: Throughout history In Genesis 28:10-15, the Bible says that Jacob, who lived about 4000 years ago, received a vision from God about the future of his descendants (the Jews). The vision accurately foretold the future of the Jews. Here is our summary of Jacob’s vision: The Jews would have Israel as their own country. This was fulfilled about 3400 years ago when the Jews first established Israel.
The Jews would be scattered worldwide. This was fulfilled when the Jews were forced out of Israel more than 2500 years ago by the Assyrians and Babylonians and again about 1900 years ago by the Romans.
The Jews and the seed, the Arabs, and the Christians would have a worldwide impact. Jews have had a tremendous worldwide impact in science, art, literature, economics, music and theology. The worldwide spread of Christianity began about 2000 years ago by a group of Jews who were followers of Jesus.
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Here is Genesis 28:10-15 Jacob … had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. There above it stood the Lord, and he said: “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”
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3. God will clearly save the Jews, their seeds,  and destroy their enemies
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Bible passage: Jeremiah 30:11 I am with you and will save you,’ declares the Lord. `Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you, I will not completely destroy you. I will discipline you but only with justice; I will not let you go entirely unpunished.’ Written: sometime from 626 to about 586 BC
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Fulfilled: Throughout history
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In Jeremiah 30:11, the prophet Jeremiah said the enemies of Israel will be destroyed but that the Jews will never perish. History has many examples of how nations have tried to destroy Israel and the Jews:
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In about 721 BC (about 2700 years ago), Assyria destroyed the northern kingdom of Israel. They tortured, killed and exiled many Jews.
In 586 BC (about 2600 years ago), Babylon destroyed the southern kingdom of Judah. They killed and exiled many Jews.
In 70 AD (about 1900 years ago), the Romans killed an estimated 1.1 million Jews and destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple.
In 135 AD, the Romans killed an estimated 580,000 Jews and exiled many others.
In the 1930s and 1940s, the Nazis killed an estimated 6 million Jews. The Nazi plan, called the “final solution,” was to kill all Jews.
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Israel again is an independent country. But, the empires of the Nazis, Romans, Babylonians and Assyrians have vanished. Today, we can judge with our own eyes as to whether Jeremiah was correct when he said, 2600 years ago, that the enemies of the Jews would be destroyed, but that the Jews would be preserved.
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4. The Jews and their seeds too,  would continually, always next face many disasters and difficulties
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Bible passage: (Deu 31:16 KJV)  And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them. 17    Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?
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Written: perhaps 1400 BC Fulfilled: Throughout history
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In Deuteronomy 31:16-17, the Bible said that the Jews would face many difficulties if they turned away from God. And, according to the Bible, many people in ancient Israel did at times turn away from God and worship the false gods of pagan Gentiles. This prophecy of persecution has been fulfilled many times. During the past 1900 years in Europe, for example, Jews were often heavily taxed, robbed of their possessions, stripped of their civil rights, forced into ghettos, tortured and slaughtered. Government leaders and church leaders at times banished the Jews from living in Spain, England, France, Belgium and Italy. During the Crusades, Jewish villages were often destroyed and men, women and children were burned alive. Those centuries of persecutions culminated with the Holocaust of the 1930s and 1940s, when the Nazis killed an estimated 6 million Jews. When Israel reclaimed independence in 1948, the surrounding countries invaded and tried to destroy the tiny nation.
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5. The Jews would be scattered worldwide
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Bible passage: Deuteronomy 28:64 Then the Lord will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods–gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.
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Bible passage: Genesis 12:2-3  Written: perhaps 1400 BC “I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
Fulfilled: Throughout history In Genesis 12:2-3, and in Genesis 28:10-15, the Bible said that the descendants of Abraham and the descendants of Abraham’s grandson, Jacob, would be a blessing for people worldwide. Jacob is the father of the 12 Tribes of Israel (the Jews)but also is the same  father of the Arabs and the Christians too..
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 6. The Jews , their seeds included, would have a worldwide impact
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Bible passage: Genesis 12:2-3 “I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”Written: perhaps 1400 BC
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Fulfilled: Throughout history In Genesis 12:2-3, and in Genesis 28:10-15, the Bible said that the descendants of Abraham and the descendants of Abraham’s grandson, Jacob, would be a blessing for people worldwide. Jacob is the father of the 12 Tribes of Israel (the Jews), the Arabs, and the Christians too

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7. Israel would be  partitioned by other nations

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Written: perhaps 1400 BC  Fulfilled: 721 BC, 586 BC, 70 AD, 135 AD
In Deuteronomy 28:64, the Bible said the Jews would be scattered worldwide. This prophecy has certainly been fulfilled. Take a look at the explanation of the Jewish “Diaspora,” which means “scattering,” from the Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition: “… by 70 A.D. Jewish communities existed in Babylonia, Syria, Egypt, Cyrene, Asia Minor, Greece, and Rome. Jews followed the Romans into Europe and from Persia and Babylonia spread as far east as China. In modern times, Jews have migrated to the Americas, South Africa, and Australia. The Jewish population of Central and Eastern Europe, until World War II the largest in the world, was decimated in the Holocaust. Despite the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, the vast majority of the Jewish people remain scattered in the Diaspora, notably in North America, Europe,  Russia, and Ukraine.” This will remain so until the return of Jesus Christ..
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Bible passage: Joel 3:2  Written: about 400 BC I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.
(NOTE: “Jehoshaphat” means “the Lord judges.”)

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Fulfilled: 1900s In Joel 3:2, the prophet said that the nations of the world will be judged for having scattered the people of Israel and for having “divided up” (or “parted” or “partitioned”) the land of Israel. Christian scholars believe that this is a prophecy that will be further fulfilled during the End Times. But, portions of the prophecy already have been fulfilled. The Jews have been scattered to nations throughout the world, and the nations of the world have divided up the land of Israel.
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In addition on November 29, 1947, when the United Nations General Assembly approved a motion to partition the land, which at that time was called “Palestine.” The partition plan divided the land into two separate states, one for Jewish people and another for Arab people. Today, that partitioning is interlocked with many political problems as the Jews seek to reclaim the land promised to them in the Bible (see Genesis 15:18, Genesis 28:10-17 and Genesis 35:9-12), and the Arabs seek to create a homeland for “Palestinians” – Arabs who have lived in that land for many generations.

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But God is not against this Palestinian Partition.. (Psa 133:1 KJV)  A Song of degrees of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity !2  It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron’s beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; 3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore. (Gen 16:12 KJV)  And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.   (Gen 16:10 KJV)  And the angel of the LORD said unto her,( Hagar)  I will multiply thy seed ( Arabs) exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

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8. Israel would be restored and repopulated
 
Bible passage:  Ezekiel 36:8-10 “`But you, O mountains of Israel, will produce branches and fruit for my people Israel, for they will soon come home. I am concerned for you and will look on you with favor; you will be plowed and sown, and I will multiply the number of people upon you, even the whole house of Israel. The towns will be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt.
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Written: between 593-571 BC
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Fulfilled: 2600 years ago  In Ezekiel 36:8-10, the prophet Ezekiel said that the Jews would return, rebuild and repopulate their fallen cities. Ezekiel, according to the Bible, lived about 2600 years ago during the time of the Babylonian Captivity, when many Jews, including Ezekiel, were taken as captives to Babylon. After the Babylonian Captivity ended, many Jews left Babylon and returned to their homeland. There is no New testament Biblical prediction of a second return after their Biblically predicted expulsion from Israel by the Romans though.

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9. Jesus’ own life was foreshadowed by the prophet Isaiah

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Bible passage: Isaiah 42:1-9   “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations. … In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. … “I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness. “I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols. See, the former things have taken place, and new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you.”
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC  Fulfilled: About 2000 years ago
In Isaiah 42:1-9, the prophet Isaiah speaks of a Jewish servant of God who will be a light to the Gentiles (non-Jews) and bring justice to the world.  Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of this promise. Jesus’ teachings govern the lives of Christians throughout the world. There are an estimated 2 billion Christians worldwide. More people follow the teachings of Jesus than those of any other person in history.
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 10. Jesus said His words would never be forgotten
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Bible passage:  ” Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”

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Luke 21:335  And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6  As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7  And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
8  And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
9  But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10  Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11  And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12  But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.
13  And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14  Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15  For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16  And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17  And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.
18  But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19  In your patience possess ye your souls.
20  And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21  Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22  For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23  But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24  And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25  And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26  Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27  And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28  And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
29  And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30  When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31  So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33  Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34  And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35  For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

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Written: about 30 AD
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Partially Fulfilled: At this very moment In Luke 21:33, Jesus said that regardless of what happens to the world, His words will never be forgotten. Here we are 2000 years later and the words of Jesus are all around us: There are 2 billion Christians worldwide and the Bible is most circulated book in the world. Of all the people who have ever lived, can you think of a single person who could have made this claim more effectively than Jesus – that his words would never be forgotten?

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Now read the whole Bible, the New testament included,  for yourself, do not even believe what others do say now the Bible says, for many have false, hidden agendas and do twist the truths now, Jews and false Christians included.

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It should be of note, interest to all Bible students, that the Christian Church, the bride of Christ, the final Jew/fish seed, was not mentioned directly in the old testament but only in the new testament. All persons thus, Arab, Jewish, gentile can only go to heaven to be with God, can be saved from their sins thus too, by Jesus Christ alone.
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*Jews, Israel for a start falsely, to try to get the support of others, even like to use the term anti Semite often, as a false diversion  even for a start,  as  they here supposedly want to say that they alone are not the objects of the hate, racial  attack but so are the others..  Although the term anti-Semitism has wide currency, it is regarded  as a misnomer, falsely now  implying discrimination against all Semites, including all Arabs and other peoples, who now firstly are not the clear targets of anti-Semitism today as it is usually the fact. It is not the past Jewish culture being attacked now too, but rather their presently specific now bad  personal acts, poor values associated with Israel, especially when they the Jews too often and  falsely, undeniably too now, the chosen ones,   tend to think they are now really superior to all other nations too and they can do what they want, for they can do no wrong. Rather this is not so in reality, they the Jews too can be held accountable for their too often now bad acts as well… even against the Palestinians.
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I really get sick every time I hear preachers such as John Hagee and Jerry Falwell demonize the Arab people, while glorifying the Jews. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/john-hagee%e2%80%99s-israel-heresy/

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” Those who question the legitimacy of Israel’s actions are immediately labelled anti-Semitic by some quarters, effectively undermining the turn of phrase by using it in this context. We are right to question the state of Israel’s actions and I am not anti-Semitic for doing so. I think the religious fundamentalism exhibited by certain Zionist and Orthodox Jewish groups needs to be dealt with in a similar manner to Islamic fundamentalism, I don’t see the distinction between the two, both are equally repulsive. ” http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/even-as-to-the-promised-land/

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Too many fundamentals, professing Christians now falsely do that the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 was prophesied in Scripture while there is no direct support of this in the New Testament Bible even still. Zionism, on the other hand, “is a secularist, largely atheistic ideology” that emerged in the late 19th century. God still does not require the human input to fulfill his own prophecies. Now too many Christian Zionists, extremists do falsely do now believe that in order to fulfill all of the Biblical prophecy, Israel must next conquer most of the Middle East. And anyone watched the mostly self centered, get richer TV evangelists such as a Pat Robertson or John Hagee and their distorted sermons scenarios involving the future “Rapture,” Jesus Christ and also Israel, should also quickly firstly now realize that these false prophets are not only fleecing, scaring their flock to give more money but falsely are into worshipping the false idol of Israel. .John Hagee pays himself over a million dollars a year in TAX FREE money while having several palaces to live in, like the $2.1 million 7,969-acre ranch outside Brackettville, Texas , with five lodges, including a “main lodge” and a gun locker.;Once considered a small marginal doctrine among evangelicals, the false dispensationalist theology of Christian Zionism has greatly escalated, ironically falsely with the help of jess, Messianic Jews, Judaizers and many others too. The reality still is that the parable of the vineyard (Matt 21:33-43) clearly shows that the Christian Church totally now rather succumbs all of the past promises made to Israel. Be careful about accepting anyone’s word about Christian Zionism do first read the Bible, New Testament for yourself and know the truth rather. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-2-promised-returns/

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Do see also
– as to what it means to be chosen
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For certainty also because of the demonic opposition the devil will try to discourage you from finding out reading about the Holy spirit, Charismatics, Pentecostals and the Bible. I know I have experienced this myself the last  40 years. So my sites will reflect, show you what I have learned, found out on these subjects for a start.

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There will come another antichrist still  that will kick the Jews out of Israel,  disperse them   as well, and persecute them again

In fairness now

 
 Finding out the facts, discovering the truth.
 
Firstly no one can accuse me now  of false partialities, hypocrisies, generalizations for I rightfully detail and  I expose all bad churches even the Bad Pentecostal ones, Bad Baptist One, Bad Christian Missionary Alliance, and bad Plymouth Brethren dispensational ones.. 
 
As I look back in my life the last half a century some of the most immoral, despotic, cruel persons I have encountered in Canada were not just in the business world but actually pastors in various Christian  churches and why was, is that?  (Prov 31:8 KJV)  “Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.  9    Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.” To be able to judge righteously, though, the Church itself and the Preacher now must be also righteous.  
 

 

(John 4:23 KJV)  But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
 
(John 4:24 KJV)  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
Many people claim to be willing to help you. too often with questionable motives too,   but basically in reality you still have to do it for yourself, you have to discover the truth yourself, it takes real work, being lazy will often lead you to misdirection’s, even into cults, and many have now as well. Sincerity itself is not any kind of protection against being duped, deceived.  The Bible itself warns us Beware of men, next Cursed be he or she that puts their trust in any man.. The Church, the Assembly  itself does not save you, Jesus alone does.
 
(2 Cor 11:14 KJV)  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15   Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
You do not need any others, for you have all the tools you need.. you have at your disposal the Bible, and prayer.. just pray and ask the Holy Sprit himself to guide and lead you into all truth as you read the Bible.. it is as simple as that.
 
Too many false persons try to define God solely based on their own limited personal experiences, knowledge, and if it did not happen to them it cannot happen to anyone else…   and too many even  lie and say they are experts on something they admit they have never even experienced now too… such as healings, gifts of the Spirit… they are mere pretenders rather too often still.              

 

 

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Follow after God alone . God speaks too .       
The word of God is living and active, it penetrates even to the dividing of soul and spirit.., it judges the thoughts and intents of the heart. Heb 4:12
 
it does not need a man written books about 200 years ago to speak for it too..
 
My sheep hear My voice,   and I know them,  and they follow Me.  John 10:27
Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. Mat4:4 (There is no life without hearing words from the mouth of God.)
 
But we have to listen for the voice of the Holy Spirit, the Word of God, to hear. Where is the basic Problem in doing so now? In seeking God directly? for I too after sitting under the mostly  bad evangelical pastors, hirelings,  for 3 decades, the next 3 decades I had seen that almost all of of my beliefs were false, unbiblical, the mere teachings of man, unsubstantiated by the Bible itself.
 
These days Finding a qualified shepherd is hard.. I have yet  to find a really good one in the last  5 decades..  I have rightfully fired many of them for lying, slandering, adultery though already.. even helped to close one big really bad church, the Calgary Christian Center..
http://groups.msn.com/AFOLLOWEROFCHRIST
 
Finding a decent, viable, non cultural, non heretical, non sectarian, non polluted Church these days is also too often also hard. Mind you you have to keep on looking for it. Many claim they are good, like they lip service God they love him too, with mere words.
 
I have also dealt with  the Alliance Churches,  Calgary Christian center,  Evangelical Missionary Church,  United Church   , Full Gospel Churches,  Baptist Churches, Evangelical Free, Victory Christian Fellowship,   First Assembly (Pentecostal), Salvation Army,   Don Ross Ministries and the Full Gospel Businessmen’s Fellowship; to name a few.  And you should let another man praise you and not yourself.. I moved to Calgary at the age of 35 in 1980 and I had been a Christian  for 20 years before that and for the next 15 years I in contrast could not find one decent honest Christian Pastor or Church in Calgary, in my witness they were all bunch of racists, social clubs, adulterers, liars, slanderers, gossipers, thieves, rich minded persons who despised the poor people etc.., Calgary was the third  most unspiritual place I have been to in Canada
 
(2 Chr 16:9 KJV)  For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him.
(Prov 16:5 KJV)  Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
(Prov 23:7 KJV)  For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.
(Isa 51:7 KJV)  Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.
(Mat 15:8 KJV)  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Persons who want to uplift their denominations, leaders, mere men, exalt themselves are still false..
(Acts 8:21 KJV)  Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

 
My clear rightful understanding of Plymouth Brethren is while they may have a few aspects of truth, in whole they are generally false, not true to the Bible… basically a sect, a Darby, Scofield cult.
 
The Plymouth Brethren movement was, is an independent work from that of the Holy Spirit, in which which  Brethren believe that they now represent the true church established originally on the day of Pentecost. The two guiding principles of the movement were to be the breaking of bread every Lord’s Day, and ministry based upon the call of Christ rather than the ordination of men. They say  they follow and obey the Scripture, refusing to follow human tradition and creed.   Ironically they just put their own creeds, beliefs as substitute based on the writings of their own  leaders, yes more mere men.  While the Others still tend to  call them Brethren, but they prefer to hide and to be called Christians, they not not like the truth of who they really are exposed fro who in his rigth mind now would follow after them too?
 
The Brethren claim seek to assemble in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and to maintain the apostolic pattern and simplicity which marked the churches of the days of the apostles all that while the falsely deny the existence of the Apostle’s prophets, healing today and the charismatic gifts of the Holy spirit now too. How dirtied can they get next?
 
The Plymouth brethren are  part of one big happy Christian family? Nothing could be further from the truth.  For  they are rather an exclusive club opposed to Charismatics gifts, Healings. Casting out demons too it seems. I was also surprised how little they do like to talk about their owns sins, only the sin of others. The sin of not being a full part of their exclusive club.
 
The Exclusive Brethren believe in receiving no one at the Lord’s table who is not a true Christian in the fullest sense, including being a member of a fully separated assembly (an assembly of Brethren who associate only with Brethren and not with persons from other churches. It seems they too find it easier to hate others than to love them.
 
 Dispensationalists are also rightfully  accused of teaching different methods of salvation, different standards requirements too  in their different defined dispensations periods
 
The Law was a curse, Gal 3:13, and Christ redeemed us from it.  Does not exclude  their too often sins, unloving, unchristlike behaviors, even towards others.  They  too often  seems to still need to find real personal repentances from Sin.
 
  While the Brethren say they Believe the Bible is the Word of God, they too  clearly do have this unholy, desperate need to reinterpret almost every passages of the Bible suitable to their own liking.  
 
I urge you read your Bible, and to find a true and not a pretending Bible teaching local church, if you are not in one, and if you absolutely cannot find one, start one yourself. A New Testament Church can be as small as two or three people, and Jesus is always there, because He hopefully  lives in His people (John 14:23   ; Eph. 1:13 – 14). 
 
  Plymouth Brethren Dispensationalist are noted not for using the Holy spirit to personally guide and lead THEM  and  you into all truth, but the supposed Greek versions of the Bible, Men’s commentaries, their selected reading materials too.. 
 
SUCH AS
 
Resources to Help You Find “Insights from the New Testament Greek” for Yourself: Even if you don’t know a word of Greek, but just get a Strong’s Concordance and a Greek-English New Testament Interlinear and feel  like an expert at least..
 
Commentaries: And if you do not like what you read. write your own commentary, for  many other dispensational Brethren  do that.. and join the club here too
 
Historical, Cultural, Archeological resources”- such as Flavius Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews  .. even though we all can now you can’t really find any accurate, detailed ones.. so that will help you to get really confused, lost. Or is that the real point?
 
The Jewish interpretation of history refers to the “first Temple period,” which was the period of time before the destruction of Jerusalem in 600 BC. The temple was destroyed and the Jews were uprooted out of the land for their apostasy and idolatry, they had blended Babylonian witchcraft and sorcery into their religion. They were carried away, eventually a remnant returned during the “second Temple period” when they rebuilt the temple during the times of Ezra and Nehemiah. The second Temple period lasted until the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
 
According to the Jews there is an ongoing restoration where they are being restored back with God in the promised land, known as the Zionist restoration. They look forward to the Kingdom, the time when they will rule the world. Every Gentile will be their slave. They believe the Bible teaches this, the rabbis teach the same in their Talmud and Kabbalah. But the New testament, Jesus, the Apostle do not teach this at all. Wow
 
Still the “basic promise of  Dispensationalism is (the supposed) two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples (Jews and gentiles, or Israel and the Church)  who maintain their distinction throughout eternity.”  (This approach would thus not offend the unrepentant Jews but it is still an unbiblical great hoax, a lie)
 
 In direct contrast, Christian theology has always maintained the essential continuity of Israel and the church. The elect of all the ages are seen as one people, with one Savior, one destiny.  This continuity can be shown by examining a few Old Testament prophesies with their fulfillment. Dispensationalists admit that if the church can be shown to be fulfilling promises made to Israel their system is doomed. If the church is fulfilling Israel’s promises as contained in the new covenant or anywhere in the Scriptures, then [dispensational] premillennialism is condemned.
 
“My brother, I am a constant reader of my Bible, and I soon found that what I was taught to believe (by Darby’s doctrine) did not always agree with what my Bible said. I came to see that I must either part company with John Darby, or my precious Bible, and I chose to cling to my Bible and part from Mr. Darby.” – Reverend George Müeller, a contemporary and  past supporter of Darby  http://dispensationalismrefuted.blogspot.com/
 
“Perhaps one of the greatest heresies of our day arises from a theological ignorance with respect to the Bible’s teaching on sanctification. While .. Many (Falsely) simply operate under the assumption that obedience, repentance, love for God’s law, and mortification of sin are unnecessary addendums to true faith,  reserved for a special class of “spiritual Christians”, yet still optional for those “carnal Christians” who embrace Christ as Savior but refuse Him as Lord.   How does (anyone,) Ryrie respond to the New Testament texts, especially in the gospels, which so obviously teach that both a change of mind and heart are necessary consequences of justifying faith? … While inconsistent dispensationalists can and do believe in the necessity of repentance, the logical conclusions of classic dispensationalism yield the kind of devastating errors which sees faith as nothing more than a change of mind with regards to the facts of the gospel.  ”  http://covenantgrace.blogspot.com/2008/02/some-of-puritans-believed-that.html
 
Ongoing continual personal repentance  for sins  is not optional.. but a necessary subjection
 
 (1 Cor 9:27 KJV)  But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. 
 
(Heb 12:9 KJV)  Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
 
(Eph 5:24 KJV)  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
 
(1 Pet 3:1 KJV)  Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;  (1 Pet 3:5 KJV)  For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:    

Dispensationalism is a system of theology that was first popularized by John Nelson Darby, 19th century British evangelist and forerunner of modern Christian fundamentalism.   The false  Scofield Reference Bible, written by Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, popularized dispensationalism in the United States.  The world’s Jews must return to Israel for a dispensational interpretation of prophecy to be fulfilled. To facilitate that process, dispensationalists have been leading groups of pilgrims to Israel since Falwell’s first visit in order to win financial and political support for settlement activity. http://www.theocracywatch.org/christian_zionism_dispensationalism.htm
 
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the  doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus  Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the  simple.” -Romans 16:17-18 KJV  
 
“Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it  necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all  delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out  for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the  only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.” -Jude 1:3-4
 
The false Brethren wresting of Holy Scriptures to support a line of dispensational reaching contrary to the actual written word of God is still also unacceptable
 
The Brethren  oft repeated assertion that the present voice of the Holy Spirit is located in the utterance of men is an affront to the Holy Spirit.
 
“But in vain do they worship me, teaching as their teachings commandments of men. For, leaving the commandment of God, ye hold what is delivered by men to keep”, Mark 7: 7-8.
 
“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, that the day of Christ is at hand.” — 2 Thess. 2:1,2.Apostle Peter tells us in his second letter (1.16,19-2.3):  For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty …. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place …. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you ….(1 Tim 1:7 KJV)  Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.(Heb 5:12 KJV)  For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
     
 Dispensationalists who unacceptably have a very negative view of the latter days, end times on this world,  now it seems to compensate for their often rejections by even main stream Christianity, and   as I have even recently now too often now personally witnessed, even on my sites they  have to still it seems falsely bash, slander, they falsely call others mentally unstable, biblically unsound, not real Christians, lie against the Pentecostals Christians too even in envy it seems cause they  the Pentecostals undeniably are it seems one of the fastest growing group today  in Christianity. These abusive, immoral rather  Brethren who often do hide, disguise them as Gospel, Bible believing Christians only,  are an unacceptable part of the un Holy wars on the net too..  The Brethren dispensational views and related false doctrines have undeniably now been refused, refuted  and not accepted by main stream Christianity too.
  
 
DISPENSATIONALISM , AMONGST IT’S UNDENIABLE MANY  BAD, FALSE TEACHINGS  NOW TOO, IS A LIAR’S, A  COWARD’S, A HIRELING’S  FALSE COP OUT, A FALSE EXCUSE FIRSTLY NOT TO REALLY REPENT OF ONE ‘S PERSONAL SINS, FOR ONE NOT TO REALLY FOLLOW AFTER GOD AND HIS WILL FOR THEM, AND FOR ONE FALSELY NOT TO BE CULTURALLY ANDS SOCIALLY INVOLVED IN DEALING WITH THE EVIL  OF THIS WORLD, HOPING TO AVOID PERSECUTING FROM THE JEWS AS WELL BY NOT ASKING THEM TO REPENT, OR TO SEE THEIR NEED OF ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR MESSIAH, SAVIOR. 
 
Imagine trying to build a whole theological central base  on a few isolated Bible texts too now and  now today, even Jacob and the Brethren too, so he Jacob – Israel who tried to get God’s blessing by deceit with the help of others is still at it today, refusing to admit that the blessings of God now, today, forever are only in, and  through Jesus Christ the Messiah, he is trying to steal his own salvation and the promsied land now.
 
(Gen 27:19 KJV)  And Jacob said unto his father, I am Esau thy firstborn; I have done according as thou badest me: arise, I pray thee, sit and eat of my venison, that thy soul may bless me.
 
 The dispensationalist’s claims  implicitly does involve  them, God in duplicity and Christ in deception and thus no way can they be acceptable works of any REAL, professing Christians
 
Some persons  recognize and treasure all born again believers who operate within a dispensational framework as brothers and sisters in Christ. whereas IN FACT IN ANY CHURCH IT SEEMS ONLY 30 PERCENT OF THE PERSONS AT THE MOST ARE REAL, BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BRETHREN CHURCHES TOO

 (John 8:51 KJV)  Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

 
Note the word IF.. all contracts require the continual, ongoing consent, agreement of both parties otherwise it is a false breach of contract.. so why have some groups falsely now left it out?
However, we must remember that Paul loved his fellow apostle Peter and esteemed him the senior and more honored of the two of them. Nevertheless, when it came to a point of theology that had profound implications for the purity and health of the Church, Paul was constrained by his love for Christ and the Truth publicly to withstand Peter to his face. (Galatians 2:11) 

 

Therefore,  out of love  Like the Bereans nearly two thousand years ago, let us “search the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things are so.”    

 

 

 

“A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth”  (Proverbs 14:6)
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