It is a very sad reality that even these days in the churches that up to 70 percent of the pastors have not been called by God, they are imposters, hirelings and are not genuine shepherds of the flock. As a result many of them falsely resort to a dictatorial, abusive or hierarchy church structure and they demand falsely AND force submission, and of course they even abuse their flock… they do now even cheat, lie, steal, slander, wrongfully counsel divorce.. . many people are surprised at this and do not know what to do.. Recognize, admit the sad truth and shout their sins from the housetops. They are not real, loving shepherds called by God.. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/about-those-hirelings-now-fleecing-the-sheep/
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God himself accepts no abuses of anyone, not even by pastors…
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks, persons, civil and public servants, politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
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GRACE DOES NOT COVER unconfesed sins.. and that is why we so so many TV evangelists TOO NOW falling these days..
(Isa 58:1 KJV) Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
(Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
(2 Chr 7:13 KJV) If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
(Hosea 4:6 KJV) My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
(Micah 3:5 KJV) Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
(Amos 9:10 KJV) All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
(Jer 2:11 KJV) Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.
(Jer 2:13 KJV) For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
(Jer 5:31 KJV) The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
(Jer 6:14 KJV) They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
(Jer 23:22 KJV) But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
(Jer 23:27 KJV) Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
(Ezek 13:10 KJV) Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered mortar:
(Jer 6:27 KJV) I have set thee for a tower and a fortress among my people, that thou mayest know and try their way.
(Ezek 33:31 KJV) And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they show much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
(Jer 7:12 KJV) But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.
(Jer 7:23 KJV) But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
(Jer 8:7 KJV) Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD.
(Jer 23:2 KJV) Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
(Jer 23:32 KJV) Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.
(Ezek 13:23 KJV) Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
2 Cor 6:16 KJV) And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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(Rev 18:4 KJV) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
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.. once saved always saved is a big lie too..
Once Saved Always Saved ? no you still can lose your salvation in Jesus Christ https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/once-saved-always-saved-can-you-still-lose-your-salvation-in-jesus-christ/
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The false Demotion of the Holy Spirit, Jesus http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-false-demotion-of-the-holy-spirt-jesus/
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By the way.. Preacher Richard Roberts gets probation in DUI case; former ORU president pleaded guilty, serves no jail time www.tulsaworld.com AND I AM SURE THAT THAT WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME HE GOT DRUNK DRINKING ALCOHOL NOW..
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PERVERSE TV PREACHERS ARE BEING EXPOSED NOW OFTEN TOO.. Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty serves everyone’s best interest.. so do it now too..
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GOD IS STILL ANGRY WITH THE WICKED EVERYDAY
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Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
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Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours: whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come-all are yours. 1 Corinthians 3:21-22
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Keep your eyes on Jesus and go to Him for help and not mere men and women..
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(1 Chr 16:27 KJV) Glory and honour are in his presence; strength and gladness are in his place.
(Psa 4:7 KJV) Thou hast put gladness in my heart, more than in the time that their corn and their wine increased.
(Psa 30:11 KJV) Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness;
(Psa 51:8 KJV) Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
(Psa 97:11 KJV) Light is sown for the righteous, and gladness for the upright in heart.
(Psa 100:2 KJV) Serve the LORD with gladness: come before his presence with singing.
(Psa 105:43 KJV) And he brought forth his people with joy, and his chosen with gladness:
(Psa 106:5 KJV) That I may see the good of thy chosen, that I may rejoice in the gladness of thy nation, that I may glory with thine inheritance.
(Prov 10:28 KJV) The hope of the righteous shall be gladness: but the expectation of the wicked shall perish.
(Isa 51:11 KJV) Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away.
(Heb 1:9 KJV) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
(Gal 5:16 KJV) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
(1 Th 4:5 KJV) Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
(2 Pet 2:10 KJV) But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, …
(1 John 2:16 KJV) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
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Ever notice how the devil and his followers now even here want to do all the talking, all the preaching, they even claim they know it all too, and falsely they even demand you obey them. as dictatorship. forced submission is so common of the cults, includng even now the s8 group.. false values and extremes is so common in many cults, false groups.
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THERE IS A REASON THIS IS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
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(Mat 7:15 KJV) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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(Mat 10:17 KJV) But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; …
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(Mat 16:6 KJV) Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
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(Mat 16:12 KJV) Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
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(Mark 12:38 KJV) And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
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(Luke 12:1 KJV) In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
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(Luke 12:15 KJV) And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
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(Luke 20:46 KJV) Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
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(Acts 13:40 KJV) Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
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(Phil 3:2 KJV) Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
(Col 2:8 KJV) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
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(2 Pet 3:17 KJV) Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
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ALWAYS BEWARE
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Mutual, reversible accountability and submission is an integral part of the New Testament church structure rather still and of all true churches today as well and not one way, forced submission.
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Secondly, we notice that the New Testament elders who were chosen were charged with the moral responsibility. in their oversight of the resources, food being distributed daily to the poor persons, the widows in need. Nowhere in this chapter firstly were they referred to as Elders. They were all servant ministers in every sense of the word, and some next were actually chosen as elders in the Church, as elders they were still servants of God and men. Those who teach the pyramid hierarchical structure seem to know that on your own you would not listen to them generally.. rightfully too. The false groups clearly sells books, wants your money, promotes themselves all cause clearly they are false. While all my material is free and I claim no postion, or demand any submission, nothing to join as well
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Now also Follow the Money trail”, ONE OF THE OLDEST RULES OF NEWS JOURNALISM AS WELL
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(Rom 15:26 KJV) For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
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(2 Cor 9:9 KJV) (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
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(Gal 2:10 KJV) Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
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(James 2:3 KJV) And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
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(James 2:5 KJV) Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
(James 2:6 KJV) But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
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God did not even spare King David the exposure of his unrepentant still sins.. nor will you be spared..
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“America is going to Hell while greedy and crooked sinister ministers are getting rich abusing the name of Jesus. TBN and their associates have turned the ministry into a den of thieves. Jesus never intended for the church to be a money machine. The Apostle Paul was trying to help people, not take their money, which is clear from 2nd Corinthians 12:17-18. ”
TD Jake the corrupted Pastor who lives wrongfully in a million dollar mansion while God’s people sleep on the street, in cars.. and he Jake now has something good to teach us? even so he can fleece more money from us for himself.. this is s…uckers bait so he can steal more money from God and his people for himself. This is sinfull. Really sinfull.. Even if there are many others like him..
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(Luke 16:13 KJV) No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
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The time was the autumn of 1996, the scene a cabin in the San Bernardino mountains near Los Angeles. The cabin was owned by the Trinity Broadcasting Network, the world’s largest televangelist organisation with outlets on satellite, cable and terrestrial channels around the world. That much we know. According to Lonnie Ford, an admittedly troubled, sometime drug addict who worked for the station, it was also the site of an inappropriate, and potentially scandalous, sexual encounter between himself and TBN’s president and founder, Paul Crouch. when the Los Angeles Times got wind of the affair and went public with at least the gist of it. Ford has demanded large sums in exchange for his silence, and TBN reacted first by paying up . Ford’s friend and co-author Sandi Mahlow, meanwhile, told the Times how Ford had broken down in tears after returning from the cabin near Lake Arrowhead and told her that he and Crouch had engaged in sexual acts.”
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TBN ALSO NOW INVOLVED IN SEX, MONEY SCANDALS ..
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The granddaughter of Trinity Broadcasting Network’s Paul and Jan Crouch has accused the world’s largest Christian broadcaster of unlawfully distributing charitable assets worth more than $50 million to the company’s directors.
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ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE OF BAD PROFESSING CHRISTIAN FALSELY TRYING TO SERVE 2 MASTERS, GOD AND MONEY.. SO UNACCEPTABLY TYPICAL OF THE MANY BAD EVEN UNREPENTANT CHRISTIAN LEADERS WORLD WIDE TOO WHO HAVE NOT BEEN HELPING THE POOR AND NEEDY PERSONS AS GOD HAD WANTED THEM TO DO, EVEN IN THEIR LOCAL CHURCH, BUT RATHER THEY CONTINUALLY HAVE BEEN FLEECING THE GOLDEN IDOLATROUS EVANGELICAL COW, IN THE PROCESS THEY WERE EVEN ROBBING GOD’S PEOPLE TO HELP MAINLY THEMSELVES AND NOW ARE ARE NOW BEING RIGHTFULLY EXPOSED FULLY TO THEIR OWN SHAME. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT GOD DOES NOT APPROVE OF ANYONE LIVING IN LUXURIOUS MANSIONS WHILE SOME OF HIS POOR PEOPLE SLEEP IN CARS, ON THE STREET.
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/02/sex_tbn_santa_ana_crouch_mcveigh_koper.php ..
http://www.christianpost.com/news/trinity-broadcasting-network-sued-again-by-family-member-70606/ ..
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2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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” The leader of a suburban Atlanta megachurch Archbishop Earl Paulk was at the center of a sex scandal of biblical dimensions: He slept with his brother’s wife and fathered a child by her. ” One way to see if any person is realy spiirtual is to examine their attitudes towards money.. even for example do they want to give it to YOU, OTHERS freely.. or do they mostly want to take it from ALL OF US… and a very simple test too ehh.. Jesus gave freely to all who had needs…. THIS IS WHAT SADLY RATHER TOO MANY PASTORS, EVANGELISTS ARE NOW AND WHAT THEY MEAN BY HELPING THE POOR PEOPLE… NOT GIVING OUT FREELY BUT FALSELY STEALING FROM THEM.
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Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. (Isaiah 55:6-7)
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Repent before it is too late.. otherwise you will lose it all.. drastically too..
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Here is the PASTORAL ROOT PROBLEMS.. you cannot live a Christian live without the Holy Spirit…
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(2 Cor 4:7 KJV) But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. My own comments for a start. Having met, fellowshipped with many many evangelical pastors and most of them were bad..
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Many pastors do try to do things in their own strength.. wisdom.. in the flesh..
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Sad Statistics on Pastors – Note these several statistics on pastors, as compiled in a survey by the Schaeffer Institute. – watch out for the spins, distortions by others..
– 90% of the pastors report working between 55 to 75 hours per week. ( they do this also in the real world, business world) -50% feel unable to meet the demands of the job.( because they were not called by God for the job, they are pretenders, imposters, not equipped by the Holy Spirit) -70% of pastors feel grossly underpaid. ( cause they are mostly hirelings, money hungry not rather serving God in love)
-1 out of every 10 ministers will actually retire as a minister in some form.( Most will be rightfully fired even many times)
-4,000 new churches begin each year and 7,000 churches close.( Obviously God did not start the church, half of all churches start due to a split)
– Over 1,700 pastors left the ministry every month last year. ( Housecleaning is ALWAYS IN ORDER)
– Over 1,300 pastors were terminated by the local church each month, many without cause.( according to whom?)
– Sixty-three percent (63%) HAD said they had been fired from their pastoral position at least twice. – 70% of pastors constantly fight depression. ( SO HOW THE USLESS PASTORS CAN THEY EVEN HELP OTHERS IF THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THEIR OWN DEPRESSION)
– 50% of pastors are so discouraged that they would leave the ministry if they could, but have no other way of making a living. ( No way of making living? Dream on.. use your hands.. leave anyway, and start to live by faith in God) Notice these seminary-related stats: -80% of seminary and Bible school graduates who enter the ministry will leave the ministry within the first five years. ( cause Bible school rarely changes anyone)
-60% to 80% of those who enter the ministry will not still be in it 10 years later, and only a fraction will stay in it as a lifetime career (AND MANY OF THEM ARE USELESS, PRETENDERS) -90% feel they are inadequately trained to cope with the ministry demands.( The holy Spirit is the one who should train them)
-90% of pastors said the ministry was completely different than what they thought it would be like before they entered the ministry. ( WHOSE FAULT WAS THIS?
-26% of pastors said they regularly had personal devotions and felt they were adequately fed spirituality.( HERE IS THE ROOT PROBLEM and they themselves are to blame for this.) (No one is adequate for the ministry without the help, leading ,guidance of the Holy Spirit .. THE APOSTLES NEVER WENT TO A CEMETERY, I MEAN SEMINARY,,) Marriage and Family
- 80% believe pastoral ministry has negatively affected their families.
- 80% of spouses feel the pastor is overworked.
- 80% spouses feel left out and under-appreciated by church members. ( WHAT YOU WANT TO BE A PASTOR AND LIVE A NORMAL LIFE) Church Relationships
- 70% do not have someone they consider a close friend. •40% report serious conflict with a parishioner at least once a month.
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- #1 reason pastors leave the ministry — Church people are not willing to go the same direction and goal of the pastor. Pastors believe God wants them to go in one direction but the people are not willing to follow or change. (WHAT THEY DO NOT HAVE LOVE FOR THEIR JOBS OR THE SHEEP, FLOCK TOO?)
– 35% of pastors personally INVOLVED IN sexual sin. In addition, AND 25% of pastors are divorced. ( FIRE THEM ALL)
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OVER STRESSED IN YOUR JOB, KEEP ON WORKING FOR THE DEVIL AND NOT UNDER GOD… and it will only get worse for you..
http://www.intothyword.org/apps/articles/default.asp?articleid=36562
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” Jeremiah tells us about the rebellion hidden in the lives of profane prophets and priests. “And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err” (Jeremiah 23:13). The word “folly” means to operate in rebellion and foolishness. Workers of witchcraft do foolish, even stupid, things that don’t make any sense. Then they say that God told them to do it. They will argue with their counsel saying things like, “I have heard from the Holy Spirit and I am submitted and listen to Him only.” Statements like that are common and contrary to the Word of God, which teaches that there is safety in a multitude of counselors (Proverbs 11:14). When you start thinking that you are more spiritual than others and that you are the only one that can hear from God, you’re in big trouble. When you think that you are the only one that’s got the truth, and the only one that receives revelation, or the only one that can prophesy, or the only one that knows the Word of God, you’re entering the realm of foolish rebellion. You’re well on your way to being overtaken by the spirit of witchcraft.”
http://www.jonasclark.com/prophetic-ministry/exposing-prophetic-ministry-witchcraft.html
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/i-am-a-slave-to-no-man/
http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2012/02/personal-freedom.html
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/no-abuse-is-acceptable-zero-tolerance/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-too-common-abusive-silent-treatment/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/promises-from-god-for-the-abused-oppressed/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-deacons-bad-elders-bad-church/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/a-hireling-in-an-evangelical-church/
http://sacredtruths.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/money-and-the-ministry/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_evangelist_scandals
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/secret-tithing/ http://pbulow.tripod.com/tithing.html
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/rev-george-muller/
http://stayinhealth.wordpress.com/
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