A Hireling in an evangelical church

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 and it took me a while to next  figure out what was wrong with a close, personal friend of mine, an evangelical pastor, and also with his associates now too in one of our local churches now too.. for he often  had some of the right sounding words.. but some how I knew something was always obviously basically wrong.. it even was the fact he clearly was always now concerned about the Basics of life: food, clothing, shelter, job, image and too often rather.. their  concern for having better material things… Hirelings or prostitutes to me it means the same thing.. sadly the last 12 pastors I had personally encountered where now hirelings!  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/about-those-hirelings-now-fleecing-the-sheep/

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(Jer 6:27 KJV)  I have set thee for a tower and a fortress among my people, that thou mayest know and try their way. 28  They are all grievous revolters, walking with slanders: they are brass and iron; they are all corrupters. 29  The bellows are burned, the lead is consumed of the fire; the founder melteth in vain: for the wicked are not plucked away. 30  Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.
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Hey I admit even I too am dumb, slow to learn too sometimes as well..
Canada”s Prime Minister Stephen Harper is also certainly not a Christian leader role model that I would follow for in his reelection platforms he is  a fear monger, uses too often  scare tactics, he discriminates, is divisive, pits one citizen group against the other.

Fundamentals evangelists have been proven right, Alcohol is dangerous, leads also to cancer. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/drink-alcohol-and-die/

1 Peter 5 :8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your  adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may  devour:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions  are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.10 But the God of all  grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye  have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11 To  him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

http://kambulow.blogspot.ca/2013/06/the-possession.html

Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty joined   brewery manager Colin O’Brien, and supply director Paul Armstrong at the Guinness brew house. http://www.canada.com/Stephen+Harper+Irish+adventures/8532787/story.htmlharper_guiness
 
For all you naieve, seduced born again evangelicals who do still think that Stephen Harper is an evangelical Christian, most of you real Evangelicals do agree that drinking beer is  an unacceptable sin but Stephen Harper offers a pint of beer he poured at the Red Stag tavern during a campaign stop in Halifax, Thursday March 31, 2011”.
… Harper flunked the Christianity test even..
AS HE IS SELF CENTERED, DOES NOT REALLY CARE ABOUT OTHERS..
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For all the fundamental evangelical Christians who say that PM Stephen Harper DOES NOT DRINK ALCOHOL.. HERE IS THE REALITY “VANCOUVER, B.C. – It seems U.S. President Barack Obama owes Prime Minister Stephen Harper a few cold ones. The two leaders had a friendly bet on the outcome of Sunday’s gold-medal Olympic hockey game.   Team Canada came out on top, so Obama will have to pick up a 24-pack of Molson Canadian for the prime minister. Harper would have had to buy Obama a case of Yuengling beer if the U.S. had taken the top honour at the tournament. Team USA beat Team Canada in the first match-up between the two countries in the preliminary rounds, but Canada came out on top in a heart-stopping overtime round on Sunday. Harper was at the game in Vancouver but Obama did not make an appearance at the Olympics. The prime minister met with the gold medal winners in the locker room after the game to congratulate them. “
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/obama-owes-harper-a-few-brews-after-canada-takes-us-in-olympic-hockey-85784877.html
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I ALSO REMEMBER WHEN THE LYING US PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE OBAMA SUPPORTER HAD SAID THAT CHRISTIAN OBAMA DOES NOT DRINK ALCOHOL..
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 I had attended a recent comical church service,  New Beginnings Ministry 9412 Rue Clement Lasalle, QC H8R1T5 Phone: (514) 363-1080., a farcical circus, not the first time now too,  where  Stéphane Chauvette Associate Pastor was preaching about everything, bashing everyone else, but somehow he could not keep his own promises, his  own word, or stay on a specific valid subject. And he made it clear if you  rock his boat he will next also kick you off the ship..  The  hypocritical, pretentious fundamental right winged evangelical pastor of this New Life Beginnings in LaSalle, Quebec  Preaches next openly  now  for us not to believe any of the news media and for us not to  have anything to do with any person who drinks wine, and to stand up against all of the people who do any wrong, to even openly speak to them, ( as long as it is not the pastor himself  for sure) and yet he lied and says come and talk to me your pastor after church. I am always really interested to hear from you about all of your concerns but  in reality when you do try to talk to him.. for next  I thus told him that our PM stephen Harper the supposedly good Christian now drinks beer/wine..  well  next the pastor really got upset at me..  since he himself cannot handle negative truths, he the ostrich no good pastor refused to further talk with me  and said  he was tired now, he  refuses to hear any of that, he refuses to believe any of that, for that is all gossip,  slanders, and also we do not allow anyone who causes disturbance, problems, gives any criticism in our church, so please leave now. So much for this supposedly Christ like church and their false professing Christian love, false brotherly love, their supposed openness now, and one’s free speech too..
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(Acts 5:9 KJV)  Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
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(Heb 10:31 KJV)  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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(Heb 3:12 KJV)  Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
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EVANGELCIAL PRIME MINISTER  Stephen Harper : Canada 
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For as George W. Bush would call him is on record as Harper saying if you don’t drink Canadian beer you’re a pansy  http://200milesup.newsvine.com/_news/2007/04/08/560786-world-leaders-that-confirm-their-countries-stereotypes-with-pictures etc.,
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The Prime Minister is reputed to have a keen knowledge of rock music,
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Loves rye (or beer) and hockey…

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But the New Beginnings Ministry 9412 Rue Clement Lasalle, QC H8R1T5 Phone: (514) 363-1080.,   where the hireling Stéphane Chauvette Associate Pastor had  falsely denied that Harper drinks Alcohol.. so REALLY NOW I cannot trust him, for he lies to me all the time for he cannot face reality

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JUST CAUSE THEY STILL DO EVEN  CONTINUE IN SIN DOINGS DOES NOT MEAN GOD HAS OVERLOOKED IT, FOR THERE WILL COME HERE ON EARTH A DAY OF INITIAL JUDDGEMENT ON IT BY GOD FOR ALL THEY DID.. AS WELL NEXT IN HEAVEN..

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These  HIRELINGS PREACHERS, leaders did not become wealthy by following the dream, instead they became wealthy by building up a group of people who believe passionately in the dream, and then selling dream-promoting wares to this captive audience. They did not become rich by selling toothpaste; they became rich by hyping dream-promoting books, tapes, DVDs, and conferences books, tapes, DVDs, and conferences, and t-shirts, and most ominously spiritual rewards and the FALSE PROMISE OF prevention of spiritual punishments  to their own private market of dream believers.  The dream INCLUDES  A PERSONAL BLESSING OR A the prosperity gospel. Their captive market is their SUCKERS, their own congregation..  stupid people, fools trying still to buy their way into heaven.. sad..
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 (Mat 6:25 KJV)  Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26  Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27  Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28  And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29  And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30  Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31  Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32  (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34  Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.   
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(Luke 12:22 KJV)  And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.
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 I have too often now encountered the hireling in the evangelical churches, you can spot them by their concerns for their housing allowance, filthy lucre, pension fund, and their begging for money  ( Hab 2:4 KJV)  Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.  (Rom 1:17 KJV)  For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Heb 10:38 KJV)  Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Do see https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/get-real-now/
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(Mat 10:8 KJV)  Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.And  you will quickly discover there is very little if anything that is freely now given in his church too, on on his websites, but there are plenty of demands, opportunities for you to give  your money.This is also typical for many a Word of Faith/Prosperity/Healing ministry and it here too should come as no surprise. Books, tapes and conferences are featured on this website. Opportunities to make an offering or to become a “partner” are also offered..God punishes still the hirelings in his ministry...(Job 7:1 KJV)  Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?(Job 7:2 KJV)  As a servant earnestly desireth the shadow, and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work:

(Isa 16:14 KJV)  But now the LORD hath spoken, saying, Within three years, as the years of an hireling, and the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble.

(Isa 21:16 KJV)  For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail:

(Mal 3:5 KJV)  And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

(Gen 2:16 KJV)  And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

(Ezra 2:68 KJV)  And some of the chief of the fathers, when they came to the house of the LORD which is at Jerusalem, offered freely for the house of God to set it up in his place:

(Ezra 7:15 KJV)  And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellors have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem,

(Psa 54:6 KJV)  I will freely sacrifice unto thee: I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good.

(Hosea 14:4 KJV)  I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.

(Acts 26:26 KJV)  For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.

(Rom 3:24 KJV)  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(Rom 8:32 KJV)  He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

(1 Cor 2:12 KJV)  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

(2 Cor 11:7 KJV)  Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?

(Rev 21:6 KJV)  And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

(Rev 22:17 KJV)  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

(2 Tim 4:10 KJV)  For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; .

(John 10:12 KJV)  But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

(John 10:13 KJV)  The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep..

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When Good Preachers Make Bad Pastors: Bringing Balance to Pastoral Ministry
Jim Pile Associate Pastor, Pastoral Care Grace Community Church

While preaching is an indispensable part of our role as pastors in shepherding people at a corporate level, shepherding people individually is just as vital in our work for the kingdom.
. Before we look at principles for shepherding others, we, as pastors can fail in ministry if we don’t keep building on the right “foundation.” What is that foundation? It’s the Word of God as it relates to our own lives. Before we can lead with excellence, we must walk in a manner worthy of our calling.
. Personal holiness is a foundational requirement for true and powerful spiritual leadership.
– 1 Peter 1:15-16 “But like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, ‘You shall be holy, for I am holy.'”
– “A minister may fill his pews, his communion roll, the mouths of the public, but what that minister is on his knees in secret before God Almighty, that he is and no more”
(John Owen, cited in I.D.E. Thomas, A Puritan Golden Treasury [Edinburgh: Bannerof Truth, 1977], 192).
. If personal holiness is a key to effective shepherding, then the following are some common temptations that pastors need to be on the alert for:
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I. THE SHEPHERD’S TEMPTATIONS
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1. Covetousness
– Watch out for coveting someone else’s success in ministry!
– Watch out for praise! People praise your sermons/voice/etc. You want more! This abnormal love of praise is a form of covetousness which is as fatal as the greed for money.
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2. Carelessness
– Watch out for putting programs over people. “I’m awfully busy!”
– Don’t say to the invalid – “I’ll go tomorrow!”
– Don’t say to the grieving – My next project is more critical to work on today.
– Don’t say to the wandering sheep – “I’ll go after them later!”

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3. Money
– Watch out for desire for money or the lack of it.
– Beware making ministry choices based upon getting more money or else having a smoldering attitude toward the church because you don’t get paid enough. [Titus 1:7 – “not given to filthy lucre” (KJV).]
– Don’t become a “hireling” .lacking a shepherd’s heart.working for pay.eyes ever on his wages.his deepest motive is financial gain. His god is self.
– Paul in Acts 20:33-35 – “I have coveted no one’s silver or gold or clothes. You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my own needs and to the men who were with me. In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.'”

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4. Power
– Innate in the souls of men
– Leaders are ambitious men but beware:
o Loving prominence (Diotrephes, 3 John 9-10)
o Craving distinction
o Desiring exalted rank
We need to have the attitude of John the Baptist, “He must increase but I must decrease” (John 3:30).

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5. Cynicism
– Beware being hardened by ministry.frustrations over people who don’t change.
“God’s people who treat you worse than the world.”
– Beware when no testimony thrills you anymore, no sermon moves you, no bookmotivates you, or you haven’t read one for quite some time.

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6. Success/ Business
– Watch out when your church grows.more meetings, less devotions
– Don’t become CEOs; don’t become managers instead of ministers
– Beware more pragmatism than doctrine, more style than substance, more denominational politics than doctrine.

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7. Sexual sin
– Beware sexual sin! It consumes ministers at an alarming rate!
– Statistics on Pastors/ Sexual Sin
. A survey conducted by Christianity Today of its readership in August 2000 revealed that 33% of clergy have visited a sexually explicit Internet site at least once within the past year, of which 53% have done so “a few times.” The survey also revealed that 18% had visited pornographic sites between “a couple of times a month” and “more than once a week” (Christianity Today, March 5, 2001, 44-45).
. 75% of pastors do not make themselves accountable to anyone for their Internet use. (“Leadership” Magazine, “Pastors and Internet Pornography,”
Winter 2001. 2000 Survey, 564 respondents)
. High number of pay-for-view pornographic videos at hotels hosting conferences for pastors. Remove the T.V.

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8. Pride (God and people hate this sin the most.)
– Don’t ever think too highly of yourself and your gifts.
– James 4:6 “But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.”

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– The greater the influence God gives a pastor, the greater he becomes in his own sight.
– “My ministry,” not God’s!
– Some new or strange doctrine that is not biblical.
“At every stage of our Christian development and in every sphere of our Christian discipleship, pride is our greatest enemy and humility our greatest friend” (John Stott, in Alive to God, p. 119).
. You know of ministers who have fallen or given in to some of these temptations. Within 5 years, ½ of seminary graduates drop out of ministry. Only 1 in 20 remain at 65 years old!

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Some of you here today are struggling with some of these temptations. And if you are thinking “I’ll never fall to any of these temptations,” then you haven’t been in ministry for very long.
. Pastoral Epistles – In Paul’s instructions to Titus and Timothy, he mentions thirteen times that ministries were ruined by some of these temptations.
– In 1 Timothy
1:6 there were ministers who had “turned aside to fruitless discussion.”
1:19 some had “suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith.”
4:2 he warned of ministers filled with “the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron.”
6:4 he told Timothy to watch out for the minister who “is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions.”
6:5 Paul spoke of the hold money had on some ministers, for he says, they “suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”
6:20-21 he warned Timothy to avoid ministers characterized by “worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called ‘knowledge’ – which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith.”
– In 2 Timothy 1:15 Paul names two ministers (Phygelus & Hermogenes) who “turned away from me.”
2:16-18 he speaks of ministers whose “talk will spread like gangrene.” Then he names two such ministers (Hymenaeus & Philetus) “who have gone astray from the
truth.”
3:5 he warns of ministers who are “holding to a form of godliness, although theyhave denied its power.”
3:8 these ministers are “men who oppose the truth.”
4:3-4 Paul speaks of ministers who will teach in accordance to the desires of people who “will not endure sound doctrine,” and will “tickle the ears” with myths instead of truth.
– In Titus 1:10-11 he described many ministers as “rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers,
. teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.”
1:16 he warned of ministers who “profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.”
continued http://audio.gracechurch.org/sc/2005notes/PileWhenGoodPreachersMakeBadPastors.pdf

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PS and why does all of this remind me still of our professing Christian Prime Minister Stephen Harper now as well?

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It was not a job at all that I had even wanted  but God had now asked me to ask next personally many a crooked pastor in Canada to repent of stealing, adultery, slander, abuse of others, etc and yet 90 percent next had refused..
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but next what really, really  shocked me was to meet their wives next and when they saw me many of them started to frighteningly even to me shake in white terror.. for they also knew they were facing the terror of God, the judgment of God as well next.. Generally bad pastors are an Ananias and Sapphira affair…
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30 thoughts on “A Hireling in an evangelical church”

  1. Now a Baptist pastor had cheated, for he had short circuited the elders, deacons church selection process, he had the nominating committee first, before any selection submit the names to him for his prior approval of their supposedly spiritual qualifications and he thus by thes emans had elected his bad friends.. one Sunday evening as I was leaving the church and shaking hands with the pastor, he unexpectedly said to me “ this is my church and if you do not like it get out”.. shocked and surprised I said to the pastor if I have offended you let me meet you now this week Tuesday night and you can bring any two witnesses you want as well and we can discuss the matter. So he agreed and I knew that he would bring the head elder and the head deacons.. as I walked into the pastor’s office on Tuesday day night, the founding church pastor said immediately to me wipe the smirk of your face.. so I immediately said.. hey pastor let us also now make this quick, “Did you or did you not say to me this is my church and if you do not like it get out?” And you should have seen the shock on the deacon and elder’s faces. The pastor seeing this too next said you cannot hear any charges from this man for I am a senior and if you listen to him I will resign. I said “Pastor if you want to resign, do so, but cut of the emotional black main and answer the question”.. he resigned instead, and became a life insurance salesman rather next.. But now I still had a problem with the crooked head elder this Church so I tried to first talk to him about his immoral acts and lack of spirituality, he admitted to me that he had no time to read the Bible even.. but it was useless to talk to him for he laughed me off. So next the elder came to see me and said “you know when you told everyone about my lack of spirituality it did not bother me, it was your word against mine, but when you next had put it in writing to all to see it hurt”.. and I said back to him.. “is that what it takes to cause you to rightfully repent?” seems people tend to believe the truth only if it is in wring these days.. and ever since that day I have also next been posting unacceptable, unrepented of sins of many, many a bad pastors and elder on the net but few of them next repented, less than 5 percent next, some of them even moved rather out of town instead.. and many were rightfully fired next. The next few churches I went to now were not any better..

    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-deacons-bad-elders-bad-church/

  2. It is all very simple to see, understand as to what is really happening now.. for it is very very common for the devil to make any Christian go to extremes, and become self centered, if he cannot firstly discredit the ministry. This is what is often happening

    How TOO MANY Pastors TRY TO Get Rich

    Mark Vrankovich Cultwatch’s founder and director exposes the secret methods some dishonest pastors use to take money from their church

    LOOK AT the methods certain pastors use to get rich off God’s people. Have you ever wondered how some pastors start a church and then become wealthy living in flash houses and driving luxury cars? So how they do it, extracting money from their congregations to fund their lifestyles. All decent Christian pastors would find these techniques repugnant.

    Like Judas reaching into the money bag, the sad reality is that too many of the Christian pastors steal from God’s people.

    Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. – 2 Corinthians 2:17a

    Jesus kicked out the money changes outof the temple for these wolfs in sheep’s clothing have been a blight on Christianity throughout its history.

    When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father’s house into a market!” – John 2:13-16

    The multilevel marketing apporach. Example sell toothpaste or web sites or whatever, and then recruit people under you doing the same, taking a cut from their sales. Soon you may be so rich that you can buy a flash European car and maybe give stacks of money to Godly causes.

    That dream of the dream’s leaders works for them Do you often see how rich our leaders are? They made all their money by following the dream, saying next that you can too. Except, that it’s a curse upon you comming forth.

    These leaders did not become wealthy by following the dream, instead they became wealthy by building up a group of people who believe passionately in the dream, and then selling dream-promoting wares to this captive audience.

    They did not become rich by selling toothpaste; they became rich by hyping dream-promoting books, tapes, DVDs, and conferences to their own private market of dream believers.

    This same pattern is practiced by some Christian leaders and their churches. The dream is the prosperity gospel. Their captive market is their congregation. The products are, well you guessed it: books, tapes, DVDs, and conferences, and t-shirts, and most ominously spiritual rewards and the prevention of spiritual punishments.

    These leaders use their faked “success” to promote a distorted gospel which basically says: “tow the line obeying the leaders buying whatever we tell you to buy, and donate money whenever we tell you to donate, and then God will pour riches into your life.” They tell us that they became successful by following this dream, but in reality they became rich by sucking money out of those caught up in the buzzing environment where this distorted gospel seems real. You can see man crooks like this even these day who falsely line their pockets with money that ought to have stayed with God’s people or gone to legitimate good Christian works. Ynot to these these spiritual vampires, wolves..

    The threateningn sales pitych. “This is your spiritual home, you can’t go to another church. You must be loyal.” But the Bible does not teach that Christians are bound to their local church organization, this idea is foreign to Scripture. We are only bound to Jesus Christ

    Their Books. The first product is the leader’s book (often ghostwritten and fraudulently claimed to be authored by the leader). These books would tank on Amazon or in a real bookstore, but hyped to their captive market they sell like hot cakes.

    Next comes the ever popular DVD videos, tapes. Most of which are videos of the leader preaching in his church on a certain topic. Let me ask you a question, is it ethical for a leader who has been paid by his church to prepare and deliver a sermon, to then take that performance and sell it back to his own church members for a healthy profit?

    But, these DVDs are hyped and hyped, and the captive audience buy stacks of them. In the worst money hungry churches you’re expected to buy them, and it is noticed if you don’t.

    Hyped Conferences The hype for these conferences start months before hand. Other church members look at you strangely if you are thinking about not going. What, you can’t afford the huge entry fee? What’s wrong with you, don’t you love God? Don’t you want to be blessed? Don’t you want to be successful and wealthy? Don’t you want to be part of us? Because you won’t be, unless you go to THE CONFERENCE!

    And Jesus had conferences too, don’t forget, like the Sermon on the Mount, where He charged, oh, he didn’t charge anything for that spiritual teaching. In fact it was free wasn’t it? Hmmm.

    And why are they so expensive? Where does all that money go? Well,

    There is a Christian speaking circuit, just like there is a motivational speaking circuit. The circuit has no formal structure like say a football league, but rather is like an exclusive network or an old boys club.

    It is unbelievable what some of these speakers expect from the Body of Christ. I would not like to be in their shoes if they finally meet our Lord,

    Businesses like: bookshops. The bookshop is the most common, often located inside the church itself.

    Members in the church who show loyalty to their pastor’s businesses are rewarded, often with increased standing in the church. Members who refuse to use the pastor’s businesses are frowned upon.

    The Honor The Pastor Scam To get more favor the inner-ring will employ many favor-currying measures, one of which is a scam called “Honoring the Pastor”. It works this way, the inner-ring will figure out what the pastor would like, say for his birthday. Then the inner-ringers will squeeze the outer-ringers for the money to buy this item.

    High Pressure Offerings Another way the pastor uses his inner-ring to extract cash, is via high pressure offering talks in the church services.

    and in these churches the giving will not be in secret but people will be expected to come up the front so that everyone can see how much they give. Or people will be watched to see if they put anything in the offering container as it is passed down the aisles.

    Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. – 2 Corinthians 9:7

    Cathedral Building Wars Like the cathedral building wars in the middle ages where cities and countries vied against each other to build the most impressive cathedral. T

    Siphoning donations into one’s personal Property Is it ethical for the pastor (or his company or trust) to own property that the church is paying for? Of course not. Many pastors take property that was given to the church by persons who had died and keep it for themselves rather. I met a pastor who told me he as a result owned 5 homes now.

    Another variation on this scam is the church trust is being used and controlled by the pastor and his family, and they practise tax evasions by having Church members falsely even pay for their own rents, personal electrical utilties and heating bills..

    Some of these pastors are very clever in how they hide the money trail. But ultimately if church money is paying for an asset the pastor owns, except via his wages of course, then it is almost certainly wrong. Imagine the furor if a politician was caught siphoning off government money into property or assets owned by himself.

    Excessive Wages I believe it is reasonable to assume that Paul the Apostle meant only fair wages, not excessive wages, and that Paul would have agreed with what Peter the Apostle wrote:

    To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a witness of Christ’s sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be revealed: Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, serving as overseers-not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. – 1 Peter 5:1-3

    Obviously one of the ways greedy pastors can extract money from God’s people is via excessive wages. The amount of which they will often decide themselves, or have conferred on them by their sycophants (via the church board, or the church wages review committee, for example).

    If your pastor refuses to be open about his wage then be very suspicious. It is likely he knows that the amount would be considered excessive. If it is excessive, then watch him dodge the issue like a sweaty politician.

    Be even more suspicious whenever you hear a pastor’s wage being justified by comparing him to a CEO. If you hear this CEO nonsense then you can instantly know two things: first, the pastor’s wage is massive; second, you are being scammed. A pastor is not a CEO no matter how big his church empire is; a CEO runs a for monetary-profit organization, a pastors serves the people of God – they are not the same thing.

    By the way, if the pastor claims to be a CEO, then you must be a shareholder. Shareholders have full rights to the accounts, including how much their “CEO” is earning.

    Find out how much your pastor is paid. If he will not reveal the information then stop giving to that church until it is revealed. Especially stop if you hear any of this “CEO” rubbish.

    Expensive leased cars, holidays, clothing allowances, spending money, restaurant meals, hotels, flights, and expense accounts, are some of the false perks demanded by these luxury smitten pastors.

    Some say that if they are preaching the “prosperity gospel”, then they have to appear prosperous to “walk their talk”. But of course that is a deception. They are using God’s money to misrepresent how wealthy they are, to help prove their false teaching works. Despicable.

    Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. – 2 Corinthians 4:2

    What is worse, many of these churches make their members complicit in this deception. Members are instructed to wear expensive clothes and groom themselves in the manner expected of the rich. They are encouraged to buy (or lease) the most impressive car they can afford. Members are required to appear happy and successful. The excuse given is that the appearance of success breeds success, but this is nonsense, more likely it breeds significant debt. The real reason the leaders want their church members to appear successful is to trick others into thinking that the prosperity dream that they preach really works.

    But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. – 1 Timothy 6:3-10

    Nepotism A church isn’t a family business you know; it is a family, but it’s not a business. One church i went to had 28/31 positons held by realtives

    Are the pastor’s relatives high up in the church? Are they the ones with the most powerful positions? Then that is nepotism. A good church will choose the very best people for the job, while a bad church will reward those closest to the pastor with the lucrative positions of power.

    If you see nepotism, then that is a sign that something is very wrong.

    Your Counter Strategy: expoose it and stop giving to that church until the pastor’s little family fiefdom is disassembled.

    Fabricated Tithing Doctrine But Tithing is no no longer applicable..
    Question this doctrine and watch these money hungry pastors bare their fangs. This is a teaching that they will bear no compromise on. Tithing, or at least their own version of tithing, is their one true love.

    The New Testament Church did not tithe.
    The New Testament does not teach tithing for Christians.
    Their favorite Malachi verses cannot be used for Christians since Christians are not under the law of Moses.
    Abraham’s one off tithe of his war booty did not set up a precedent for Christians to regularly tithe their income.
    The version of tithing they teach cannot be found in Scripture (see below).
    The “Storehouse” in Malachi cannot be equated to your local church organization.
    There are plenty of rich (money wise) Christians who do not tithe. This would be impossible if their version of tithing was true.
    The New Testament teaching is that you decide how much to give, and there are no rules about where it goes. You cannot be compelled to give.

    It may come as a surprise to learn that their tithing doctrine is a combination of twisted scriptures and wishful thinking,

    “Christians must give ten percent of their gross income only to their church organization. If they do, then God will bless them for any offerings they make to the church organization beyond this ten percent. But if they do not give ten percent gross, then they are stealing from God and God will curse them.” is a great big lie still

    But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. – Romans 7:6

    know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. – Galatians 2:16

    All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” – Galatians 3:10

    New wine should not be put into old wine skins, nor should new unshrunk cloth be used to patch an old garment; if you think you need to obey the law of tithing then you need to obey the whole law (or you will be cursed, Galatians 3:10).

    What is more, this tithing doctrine they teach isn’t found in either the New or Old Testament. Tithing in the old testament does not match what these false pastors preach – People who collected tithes were not allowed to own tangiable proeprites, such as cars, homes etc.. and in fact 1/7 of the tirhe was to be given to the local poor people which not tithing collecting pastors pratise even

    Tip: Churches that push this erroneous tithing doctrine will often try to enforce tithing via written agreements (called covenants), and also by monitoring what people give (so they can compel them to give more if they are not meeting the ten percent target). First, grasp that these “covenants” are illegitimate and not worth the paper they are printed on, because they contain false doctrine (like tithing) and set up the pastors as a false authority over you. God would not be party to a covenant that contains falsehoods, therefore God was not party to the covenant you were pressured to sign, therefore you are free from this burden.

    Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. – 2 Corinthians 9:7

    These bad pastors are not only money hungry, but often power hungry too but even sex maniac due to their visble uncontrolled lusts now . They want to be both pastor and master. They commit the sin of the Pharisees and appoint themselves as middle men between God and you. They seek to replace the Holy Spirit in your life. They “lord it over” their flocks.

    Using the connection they claim to have with God they falsely do even threaten you with the stick of spiritual curses if you disobey them, and dangle the carrot of spiritual blessings if you comply. They seek to dominate your life; often implying that they have say in where you work, where you fellowship, who you marry, and of course, when, where, and how much you should give. Listen to them and you will be cursed.. will go crazy..

    This is a false spiritual authority not supported by Scripture. it is quite devilish (the desire to control and dominate others).I am a slave to no man or women.

    In these pastor’s prosperity teaching, obeying the pastor and giving money are the two pillars necessary for a successful Christian life. If you sit back and think about it, you will quickly see what a con it is all soley for their own benefit…

    These men want to be at the head of everything, they want to dominate you, they want to be seen as the big man, and some even secretly desire adoration (almost worship). This is the opposite of true Christian leadership: Sevanthood.

    Also a dispute arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves. – Luke 22:24-27

    I call God as my witness that it was in order to spare you that I did not return to Corinth. Not that we lord it over your faith, but we work with you for your joy, because it is by faith you stand firm. – 2 Corinthians 1:23-24

    Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. – Mark 10:42-44

    Apostle, Prophets, pastors Threatening people with curses if they do not obey or donate is not only false spiritual extortion but it is demonic and contrary to the nature of grace and the person of Jesus.

    Don’t be afraid of these men. Ignore their bluster. Grow a backbone and stand up to them.

    Sad that the cults and these money focused churches abound where these bad leaders, pastors see their congregation as farm animals to be milked.

    To summarize what we have learnt about the methods money hungry pastors use to feed off their flock: We discovered the multilevel marketing pattern that these often ex-salesmen (not theologians) model their churches. We examined some of the products they sell into their captive market like books and DVDs. We unhyped the hyped conferences, and exposed the christian speaking circuit. Next we talked about how spiritually dishonest pastors set up their own businesses that their followers are expected to patronize. After that came the scam of “honoring the pastor” with gifts of luxury items. We delved into the high pressure offering mini-sermons that are designed to guilt people into giving. We examined how most of the money gained is used to build the pastor’s modern day cathedrals, projects that their fragile egos demand. We exposed the scam of siphoning the church’s cash into properties and assets owned by the pastor. We covered the obvious points of excessive wages and extravagant perks, and that was followed by the not so obvious problem of nepotism. Their big daddy came second to last – their fabricated tithing doctrine was exposed for what it is, a fraud. Finally we discussed the spiritual carrot and stick of the false authority that the pastors claim.

    There are other methods these guys use to extract money from churches. However there are some good churches who do not practice these methods.Go to a good church always.

    Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, like men sent from God. – 2 Corinthians 2:17. Therefore, can we conclude that men who peddle the word of God for profit are not sent from God?

    http://www.cultwatch.com/HowPastorsGetRich.html

    note why the Bible forbids novices in the ministry.. (1 Tim 3:6 KJV) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. No such thing as a one man, exclusive, independent ministry too.. All persons, spirits are subject to Jesus, the prophets, one another still too.. submit one to another.. merely tell them that in love..

    (1 Cor 16:16 KJV) That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with us, and laboureth.

    (Heb 13:17 KJV) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

    (James 4:7 KJV) Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

    (1 Pet 5:5 KJV) Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

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