THE WORKERS WHO COMPLAIN THAT MANY ERRORS ARE CAUSED BY THE WORK OVERLOAD

 
  
 

Attention Quebec, Ministère de la Santé et des Services sociaux Alain Poirier
  
It is amazing that the Quebec health and social services minister has still to properly act on even one of my many letters to him  or especially even my local Lieberal elected member of the Quebec Legislature now too

  

The union, representing 55,000 nurses across Quebec, has sought a reduction of mandatory overtime hours, and limits on recruiting nurses from private agencies. Some nurses report regular double shifts, especially those with less seniority but anyone who goes into nursing expecting 9-5 hours, week day hours is a fool.. for many people are often sick 24 hours per day, and seven days a week and require permanent nursing care in hospitals and old age homes included.
 
MY PERSONAL MONTHS OF DIRECT OBSERVATION ABOUT THE MEDICAL WORKERS WHO COMPLAIN THAT TOO MANY ERRORS ARE CAUSED BY THE WORK OVERLOAD ACTUALLY TEND TO MEAN, COMPLAIN ABOUT HAVING  TO DO ANY WORK AT ALL, FOR THEY TOO OFTEN DO THINK THEY MERELY SHOULD BE PAID EVEN MORE FOR COMING TO WORK. THESE SAME RATHER UNDENIABLY TOO OFTEN INCOMPETENT, UNQUALIFIED, PRETENTIONS WORKERS , THESE BAD PERSONS STILL  SEEM TO HAVE THE ENERGY TO SOCIALIZE WITH THEIR COLLEAGUES, TAKE LONG COFFEE AND LONG BREAKS, TO DO THEIR OWN BUSINESS ON THE SIDE.
   
These people, the same persons and the bad persons, managers  who now hired them too firstly now still are are all career incompatible and they should be clearly encouraged to find work elsewhere, to find work they like to do, such as being on social aid?
  
The lack of  DECENT OUTPUT is too often a false excuse for the whole system’s malaise the  mostly bad, pretentious supervisors.
  
Recently a supervisor went for a month long holiday and the medical workers all stopped working hard, started to play around, started to waste their time as I saw firsthand. That was the bad effect of having no good supervisor in place to to replace  him too.
 
 
ONE  CAN BE SURE THAT WHEN YOU GET A BAD MANAGER THE HOSPITAL OR THE OLD AGE HOME WENT SOON DOWNHILL..
 
A bad provincial government management,  this sorry excuse for a government,  plus a  bloated, bad  executive  health authority administration  always spells a medical  disaster! The lack of experienced medical staff is too often due to the fact that most  anyone with the valid experience and qualifications has found a better paying job elsewhere?  Replaced now by “Novice staff”? being paid the minimum training wage while the people managing the homes, hospitals are often still taking their long paid vacations too.

A person was lying in a convalescent home for months and most of the nurses still did not know what his basic sickness  was, for they did not care, they did not take an interest, or bother  to  talk to him, to get to know him, they were too busy to do that but when you start asking the nurse a question about her personal life, such as where she lives, etc.,, she will start to talk to you about it for hours on the job now too.. 

 Here is what I find amazing, I live in one of the largest cities in Canada and in the local hospitals I still rarely can find, and talk to a really competent dietician, dermatologist, or pharmacist. TOO MANY GENERAL PRACTITIONERS DOCTORS ARE NOT COMPETENT DRUG DOCTORS, OR DOCTORS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE.  Convalescent homes tend daily now to dispose loads of pills to their seniors and yet they tend to  not have an adequate pharmacist or doctor on their staff to check the pills side effect, as I have recently even found out firsthand too.

I am the health guardian of  my 87 year old father who is also a ward of the province of Quebec, for my father has an incurable disease. My father requires also pain Killers every 4 hours as prescribed by the good Geriatric  doctor Rois of the Verdun Hospital. Now it would have been nice if he got them.I generally have been with my father as his bedside at least 8 hours per day, in the Convalescent homes and hospitals. So I witness firsthand the too often the medical realities, actual doctors and nurses performances now too.  My very senior father has an incurable, painful disease and he needs proper pain management in Hospitals, old age homes and rather often he still does not get it. On Sunday my father had been admitted to the Montreal Verdun hospital for 2 reasons.. Difficulty in swallowing and also skin rash that was dramatically spreading on his legs and now 4 days later not one single doctor had addressed the rash, because skin specialists are rare in hospitals these days too… and the  family doctors are not competent to deal with the infections which have increased in size even since then .

Now this evening Monday June 21, 21010 my father was admitted to the Verdun Hospital for a blood transfusion, since he is anemic.  My father has had now three nurses so far looking after him at this emergency ward, the first two nurses were excellent, professional and they did their job. The 3rd one was a bad joke, she was too busy have a good time for 2 hours giggling with her  nursing associates in the nursing cubical in front of my father even, where I was there with him all day now too. She missed his 8 pm pain session and when I confronted the nurses present  there they had  replied she was going to give all his pills at one time. How will she  give the oxycodone pain pills all at one time? I suggests that if these bad nurses do not want to work that they rightfully now go on social welfare now ASAP instead.

What has also also upset me is that I have to repeat myself to the doctors and nurse, because when the shift changes the verbal communications is lacking, and because doctors and nurses especially it seems are still poor listeners, so I have to repeat myself to each of the new personal what my father problems and needs are. And yet they all do still seem to for get about it, out of sight often next means out of mind. This problem is escalated cause there seems to be a new nurse every shift instead of having a continuity of the same nurses during the whole week.

What also complicates matters is that my father continually gets 2 separate pain killers, and the too often inadequate nurse generally tends to give out one and forgets the other.

and speaking of pain management … here is what I too have clearly noticed other peoples real pain does not bother too many medical staff cause it is not their own, and so they still do not care to do much about it. Neglecting to provide proper medical care, pain killers to a sick senior is still a prosecutable criminal offence..  So heavenly minded and no earthly good still too. Too many nurses I have encountered are busy playing doctors instead of giving out the pills, if they want to be a doctor go to a medical school for 12 years first.

Since when are medical professionals more ethical over any other professionals? Here is an undeniable fact of life.. crime, corruptions, thefts, bribes too often exist.. in all areas of endeavors, enterprises, businesses too.. but what I have often wondered why there seems to be very few crimes committed in the Medicare fields.. now very few crime, abuse cases are even reported Canada wide, Quebec included..  abuses in an area that has some of the largest costs and too often too little supervisors as well now too.. when I know that even medical doctors have abused their research budgets.. and we had the major  ehealth abuses revelations in Ontario too. 

Capital Health uncovers $170K ‘discrepancy’ CBC – Nova Scotia’s largest health authority has fired one of its business office employees and called for a police investigation after an internal audit revealed a financial “discrepancy” of nearly $170,000. This is not the first time there have been financial discrepancies in Nova Scotia’s health authorities. In April, a Nova Scotia man pleaded guilty to defrauding three health boards of nearly $400,000. Cary Lee Hollett, 42, will return to court July 21 to be sentenced in that case.   

Realize this also that the present Montreal mayor admits to all that he  knew about major city hall corruptions about a decade ago, but till yet has not done anything about it.. and what else and who else now too? Crime does not go away on it’s own. It is no big surprise that Montreal is still full of inadequate, pretentious civil and public servants, tax evaders, liars, thieves, con artists but what has also now not been a surprise is how lazy still the Montreal police themselves are too often are when you report a crime to them. They too do  find false reasons not to look into the matter rather too often still.
 
One of the most common remarks we tend to hear often is that there is always a shortage of money to pay our medical, civil and public servants too  but us  paying more money to bad workers and their too often bad supervisors who rather should be all fired is still firstly a big unacceptable absurdity of putting more money into money bags full of large holes. And since when do we continue to reward the criminals?

NOW I HAVE HEARD ALL KIND OF REASONS WHY THE BAD EMPLOYEES WERE, ARE SUPPOSEDLY JUSTIFIED IN NOT DOING THEIR WORK PROPERLY BUT SOME HOW THE EXCUSES ALL APPEAR VOID WHEN COMPARED WITH THE OUTPUT OF THE GOOD WORKERS.

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http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/now-putting-more-money-into-a-pail-full-of-holes-is-still-bad-management/

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http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2010/04/25/all-pharmacists-do-note-why-do-we-pay-so-much-for-drugs/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/even-many-doctors-are-mainly-selfish-self-centered-want-to-get-rich-fast-too/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/most-canadians-get-uneven-inadequate-diabetes-test-care/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/why-many-businesses-fail/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/canadian-health-care/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/unacceptable-medical-care/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/get-real-with-our-canadian-medicare/

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http://stayinhealth.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/unacceptable-medical-care/

 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/great-example-of-a-two-tier-health-system-in-canada

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/the-public-is-also-invited-to-share-with-the-police-anything-they-know-about-corruptions-abuses/

 
 Still mostly pretentious Governments health administrators are still themselves too often ignorant of what it means to work in a hospitals, even about the medical and personnel inadequacies and the staff, patient’s related stresses now too, and what it takes even to eliminate unnecessary waits for all types of medical care in the last many decades too. Provincial governments. Hospitals too are not only too often pretentious but too often still do lie when they claim to be fully equipped to handle readily all medical problems in Montreal too. All provincial governments must “meaningfully address” procedures falling outside the five priority areas of diagnostic imaging, sight restoration, joint replacement, cancer radiology and cardiac care for far too many Canadians still experience long waits for their needed medical care and they often are kept in the dark about the wait they can expect to face. Emergency centers now at Hospitals are geared to check for heart problems and cancer mostly, immediately through blood tests, medical tests but not much else it seems. Hospitals rely on even too often pretentious, incompetent nurses, medical students, interns mostly for the initial screenings it seems rather than on the senior, experienced doctors too. And more more than half of all patients wait longer over medically acceptable times for other non major medical problems as well, even before anyone even starts an acceptable treatment. Major strides are still very much needed to be made overall not just in the five priority health-care areas including a broader range of specialties.
 

 

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Unacceptable Violence Against Christians

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Thursday, October 16, 2008

Orgy Of Violence Against Christians


Christian nuns in Orissa appeal for an end to the onslaught

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2:30pm UK, Wednesday October 15, 2008
Alex Crawford in Orissa
Tens of thousands of Christians have been made homeless after an orgy of violence by Hindu hardliners in the east Indian state of Orissa.

More than 300 villages have been destroyed and more than 4,000 homes burnt in violent attacks which have been going on since August and show no sign of stopping.

The Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh has now sent hundreds of paramilitary troops to the area to try to stop the persecution which he’s called the nation’s shame.

Nearly 60 people have been killed, 18,000 injured and there are scores of reports about gang rapes, including of one nun.

Fourteen districts in the area have been affected and more than 200 hundred churches destroyed.
Many of the Christians have criticised the state police for not doing enough and in some cases they have been accused of adding to the violence and intimidation.

More than 1,000 people crowd around stick fences in the Naugaon refuge camp in the Khandamal district of Orissa as guards patrol outside.

This is the area which has seen the worst violence and the 400 families crowded into this camp are only a few miles away from their former homes.

They came in their hundreds and just ransacked our homes, setting them on fire. If you didn’t run away, you were beaten. They told us we could only stay if we converted to Hinduism. Otherwise, they said they would kill us.

One woman reveals the hardliners’ brutal treatment.
The camp may now be guarded by paramilitary police but they still cannot prevent attacks. The camp has had two firebombs thrown into it.

The tales these people tell of the cruelty wrought upon them is shocking.

One victim’s lip quivered uncontrollably as she told us how she watched her brother being burned alive by the Hindu mobs.
“They came in their hundreds and just ransacked our homes, setting them on fire. If you didn’t run away, you were beaten. They told us we could only stay if we converted to Hinduism. Otherwise, they said they would kill us,” she said.

The trouble began when a prominent Hindu leader was killed in mid-August. He had been leading a campaign to convert Christians to Hinduism.

Many of his followers believed his killers were Christians, despite the police saying there was no evidence of this.

They embarked on an orgy of revenge and it still has not stopped.

Wednesday, October 15, 2008

Tensions, attacks continue in India

Posted on Oct 13, 2008 | by Vishal Arora/Compass Direct News
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NEW DELHI, India (BP)–After police in India’s state of Orissa confirmed Oct. 6 that a key Hindu nationalist was killed by Maoists, a Hindu extremist group allegedly circulated forged documents in an attempt to implicate a local church in the Aug. 23 murder.

The Hindu Jagaran Samukhya (Society for Revival of Hinduism or HJS) circulated documents saying that Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati’s killed in Orissa’s Kandhamal district was planned at a meeting at Bethikala Church on May 25 attended by 17 people following a briefing and order by religious leaders, the Press Trust of India news agency reported Oct. 9.

Local Christian leaders responded by saying they will file defamation charges.

“We will file both civil and criminal defamation cases against the person who made such allegations,” Joseph Kalathil of the Catholic Archbishop in Bhubaneswar and Prafulla Ku Sabhapati, president of the Bethikala Parish Council of Kandhamal, said in a statement. “Not only our signatures were forged, the contents of the documents were also fabricated.”

Orissa state police confirmed that Maoists killed Saraswati after a communist leader told NDTV 24X7 news that his organization was behind the murder, targeting Saraswati as a key leader of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council or VHP).

“We left two letters claiming responsibility for the murders,” said Sabyasachi Panda, chief of the Orissa unit of the banned Communist Party of India-Maoist.

Panda said the government of Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik “suppressed those letters.” The Orissa government, which is affiliated with the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), will support the World Hindu Council, Panda said. “The state government made it look like Christian groups were responsible for the attack. The Christian community in Orissa does not
have any Maoist organization supporting them here,” Panda said.

In another development, The Indian Express reported that the Orissa police had arrested three tribal Christians in connection with Saraswati’s murder and obtained confessions of their involvement.

A representative of the Christian Legal Association told Compass Direct News that, according to Orissa sources, the police had tortured the three Christians to pressure them to confess to a crime they did not commit.

After the assassination of Saraswati, Hindu extremist groups blamed local Christians and began attacks on them, their houses and their churches in spite of the Orissa police and media stating on the day of the murder that suspected Maoists had killed Saraswati.

According to the All India Christian Council, more than 60 people have been killed, more than 18,000 injured and around 4,500 houses and churches destroyed in the “retributive” violence. Two Christian women, including a nun, reportedly were gang-raped. The violence, which later spread to at least 14 districts of Orissa, has left more than 50,000 people homeless.

In Kandhamal and other districts, the violence continues seven weeks after the violence began.

About 15 houses were burned down Oct. 9 by a mob in the Lansaripalli village in the neighboring Boudh district, The Hindu reported. The attackers allegedly came from the Gochhapada area of Kandhamal district.

“Thursday’s was the third incident in Boudh district,” the daily added. “More than 100 houses were burnt down in two separate attacks in the past few days.”

On Oct. 8, a mob burned and looted at least 25 houses of Christians in the Balligada village in Kandhamal, Ajay Singh of the Catholic Archdiocese of Bhubaneswar told Compass.

On Oct. 7, five or more houses were torched in Jalespanga area of Kandhamal. Another house was burned in the Sujeli village.

The Hindu said the more than 16,000 Christians living in various relief camps were not returning to their villages, fearing attacks on them if they refused to convert to Hinduism.

Singh, of the Bhubaneswar Archdiocese, told Compass that more than 12,000 Christians from various relief camps had moved out of Kandhamal to other districts and states, as they feared more attacks.

The president of the VHP, Ashok Singhal, told India’s Zee News channel on Oct. 5, “What Hindu organizations including the VHP, the Bajrang Dal and the RSS [Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, India’s chief Hindu nationalist group] are doing in Orissa is all legal and is the reaction of the murder of VHP leader Saraswati, who was like Jesus Christ to us.”

In an interview with The Week magazine published the same day, Singhal said Hindu youth are “ready to die and, if necessary, to kill. [Their] patience is ebbing.”

Singhal added that a “Hindu uprising” had begun, “and the political parties will have to rethink and reinvent themselves, for their own existence. If there is no arrangement for Hindus’ security, they’ll do it on their own. … If that self-defence is militancy, so be it….”

In addition, a leader of the Bajrang Dal in the southern state of Karnataka admitted to supporting recent attacks on churches while speaking to The Week magazine. “We supported those who attacked the churches, as it is a justified fight,” Bajrang Dal convenor Mahendra Kumar said.

The violence in Orissa spread to several other states, including Karnataka, where around 20 churches were destroyed and 20 Christians were attacked in the recent weeks.

As many political parties and rights groups have demanded a ban on the Bajrang Dal for attacking Christians and churches in Orissa and other states, the federal government ruled by the United Progressive Alliance has mandated that the National Integration Council give its recommendations, the Times of India reported Oct. 10.

The Bajrang Dal, however, warned that any such move would have “grave consequences” for the government politically, saying there was “no legal ground” for such action.

There are some 900,000 Christians in Orissa, which has a population of 36.8 million.

Compass Direct News, based in Santa Ana, Calif., provides reports on Christians worldwide who are persecuted for their faith.

Tuesday, October 14, 2008

RALLY IN FRONT OF THE UNITED NATIONS -NY OCT 11th 2008

Dear Friends,

A Rally was organized in Newyork in front of UN Headquarters to protest the violence against Christians in India.
The link to view these pictures and videos
http://picasaweb.google.com/persis61/RallyINFRONTOFTHEUNITEDNATIONSNYOct11th2008#slideshow

God Bless You

Monday, October 13, 2008

Christians fear the sword and fire in India

The Indian government has not placed the onus of the multiple murders, rapes, and arson on the culprits: Hindu extremists.

by Joseph D Souza and John Dayal
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Our community is facing a trial by gun, sword, fire and rapine, the worst crisis it has seen in its 2,000 year old history in India, one of the earliest homelands of the faith. There is ethnic cleansing of Christians in Orissa where violence continues unabated for 45 day at the hands of bloodthirsty gangs Civil Society identifies as the Bajrang Dal and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad. So far 300 villages have been cleansed of all Christians, the 17,000 or so in government’s refugee camps have been told they can go home only if they become Hindus. More than 4,000 houses and more than 100 churches have been burnt. Perhaps thirty thousand or more, more than half of them children are hiding in forests or are living as Internally Displaced Persons. More than 50 have been butchered, often burnt alive.

A nun and an uncounted number of other women have been gang raped. Gender violence was one of the unspoken traumas of the widespread violence in Orissa in December2007. For all practical purposes, Orissa seems not to be a part of India where the rule of law operates, and the Indian Constitution remains operative.

Orissa is ruled by a coalition of the Biju Janata Dal and the Bharatiya Janata party [BJP]. The violence has spread to other States ruled by the BJP, including Karnataka, Chhattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh, and Uttarakhand. Other States have not remained untouched, and Jharkhand, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and Delhi have also seen demolition of churches, the maiming or killing of priests.

A Constitutional authority as the Leader of the Opposition in Parliament, and the supreme leader of his party, Mr Lal Krishna Advani could have ordered his governments in the States to act and stop the violence. He chose to remain a silent spectator for more than 40 days. When he spoke at last to condemn the rape of the Nun in Orissa, he immediately diverted attention from the heinous crime by speaking of `forcible and fraudulent conversions’ during a meeting with some Christian leaders, called at the behest of a Hindu swami from Rishikesh and some BJP Members of Parliament. The dialogue was neither religious, nor political.

There is nothing in these BJP and RSS dialogues that identifies the killers, arsonists and rapists. There is little that puts the onus of the violence where it belongs – on a political leadership which has conspired with the goons and its police which is guilty both of inaction in saving in the victims, and of participating in the violence against the Christians.

We are deeply anguished. We see this and similar attempts at `dialogue’ as an insidious and clever way on the eve of the meeting of the National Integration Council to absolve the BJP of responsibility and to save the goons of its parent organisation, the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh and its militant terrorist organisations, Bajrang dal and Vishwa Hindu Parishad who run a parallel government in Orissa and other States. The organisations are now facing the wrath of the entire civil society of India, and of the world.

The All India Christian Council welcomes all dialogue. It is the cornerstone of our everyday life and Christian witness. But a dialogue presupposes free will, a peaceful platform, a structured agenda, a common goal for peace through mutual respect, understanding and acknowledgement of each other as equals.

The BJP-RSS `dialogue’ exercises in some parts of the country exude the stink of coercion and beating a smaller community into submission and a whittling away of Constitutional rights. This also becomes a strategy to divide the community and to isolate and target smaller groups, in this case the Believers Church and the New Life Fellowship, through well placed and motivated media gossip. These churches have pleaded innocence but face a well constructed campaign designed to extinguish them. We condemn this and affirm the unity and solidarity of the Church in its entire rich diversity of denominations and Rites, from the Catholic to the Episcopal, Evangelical and Pentecostal groups. Everybody who believes in Christ is a Christian.

We also denounce forcible and fraudulent conversions. They would by definition be illegal, immoral and against the Faith. Five decades of Church documents testify to this. Conversion is the work of the Holy Spirit. Repeated exercises by the National Minorities Commission and efforts by aggressive governments have failed to provide a single proven case of forcible or fraudulent for forcible conversion. And yet State guarantees on Freedom of Faith, including the propagation of faith, and human rights are smothered in calls for moratoriums and brutalised in police harassment.

There should be more dialogue and an encompassing one on all issues so vital to the unity and integrity of India. Religious leaders should dialogue with other religious leaders in bilateral and multilateral forums. Parliament provides the forum for political dialogue. Civil society is the best platform for a larger peaceful and continuing dialogue and debate. These are forums we trust. And we call upon them, including the National Integration Council, to act soon to save not just the Christian community in Orissa, Karnataka and other States, but to save the very Idea of India in all its glorious diversity, its precious secularism and its civilisation dignity.

Rev Dr. Joseph D Souza is the international president of the Dalit Freedom Network and president of the All India Christian Council.
Dr John Dayal is an activist in India for the human rights of Christians and Dalits – formerly known as “untouchables.”

Karnataka church fire raises fear of fresh attack

14 Oct 2008, 0212 hrs IST,TNN
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BANGALORE: Was it an accident or yet another attack by miscreants? With no answers in sight, the Karnataka police and church authorities are at lo
ggerheads over what sparked the fire which gutted a room and partially damaged the main prayer hall of St Antony’s Church at Yedavanahalli near Attibele in Bangalore Rural district in the wee hours of Monday.

The village is about 34 km from Bangalore. While church authorities claimed miscreants had lit the fire, police maintained it was an accident.

The police’s first theory that a short circuit was the cause was swiftly disproved by Bescom (Bangalore Electricity Supply Company) engineers who visited the spot.

Two constables posted outside the church first noticed the fire around 1am and tried to stamp it out. One of the church doors was kept open so that the constables could take shelter if it rained. When they couldn’t control the flames, they alerted neighbours who tried their best to put out the fire.

Soon, they realized that a fire was still blazing in a locked room, where most of the things were stored. That included the cassocks, about 300 sarees gifted by devotees, CDs and copies of the Bible. The people smashed the window panes and threw water inside. But, the fire raged on and fire tenders were summoned. By 2.15am, they arrived and extinguished the fire.

Fr Santhosh Almeida of the church lodged a complaint with the police and requested the police to investigate the matter. This church is administered by the church at Adigondanahalli, whose priest is Fr C Francis.

“I received a call around 2.30am that there was a fire in our church. Later, the police called me and said they were on the spot. I visited the place this morning,” he said. Fr Francis had doubts about the short circuit theory. He did not rule out the possibility of an attack.

Pregnant women bear the brunt of Orissa violence

13 Oct 2008, 0319 hrs IST, Anand Soondas,TNN
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BHUBANESWAR: The relentless persecution of Christians in Kandhmal, forcing them to remain in relief camps scattered across Orissa, is now presenti
ng a new problem — unsafe deliveries by women. Stranded without access to doctors, hospitals or medical kits, most women are delivering in relief camps with the help of fellow refugees and — if they are fortunate — some anganwadi workers.

But not all have been lucky to be able to give birth. “There have been 10 miscarriages in the past week,” said Jyotirmoy Naik in Cuttack. “Nirmala Digal, Mita Digal, Ranju Naik, Padmini Naik, Mithila Naik — all miscarried because there’s no help for expecting women at the camps.”

Jacob Pradhan, a Christian priest, said: “In the last week, three women in Baliguda delivered babies
, but all away from hospitals. They gave birth in unhygienic conditions and got the help of anganwadi workers. It’s a huge struggle.”

Rev Prakash Naik, who’s active in the Raikia camps, said even if women do manage to give birth, the conditions in the relief shelters are so bad that mortality is a big fear. “Just look around Vijaya school camp and you’ll see what I mean. Survival is a huge factor. Water has gathered in dirty, mosquito-infested puddles and people are defecating in the open.”

Many other miscarriages took place as Christians fled to the jungles and stayed there for days with attacks against them showing no signs of abating.

“Pregnant women suffered as they hid in the forests. While lack of food hindered healthy deliveries for the emaciated, others slipped and fell while running for their lives,” said Krishna Kanta Naik, a social worker in Baliguda.

“Nine women have delivered at the camps in the past week, but the children are very unhealthy.”

Caught in such testing times, the names of the babies, before their formal christening, reflect the travails of the mothers. While one infant is called Danga (riot), another is Sangram (rebellion). “Of course, the formal names will be given after 21 days, as is our ritual, but elders are calling them by these names,” said Nalin Naik.

“Because these are the only words that are there in the minds of people here right now.”

But what is also upsetting many in the camps, apart from risk-laden deliveries, is the inability to observe ‘ekusia’, the 21-day ritual marked by women when someone among them has a baby.

Conversion business

By Kushwant Singh
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RECENT INCIDENTS of violence and vandalism against Christians and their churches deserve to be condemned unreservedly. They have blackened the fair face of Mother India and ruined the reputation of Hindus being the most religiously tolerant people in the world. At the same time, we must take a closer look at people who convert from one faith to another. To start with, let it be understood that these days there are no forced conversions anywhere in the world. India is no exception. Those who assert that the poor, innocent and ignorant of India are being forced to accept Christianity are blatant liars. A few, very few educated and well-to-do men and women convert to another faith when they do not find solace in the faith of their ancestors. Examples are to be found in America and Europe of men and women of substance turning from Judaism and Christianity to Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam and Sikhism.
There are also men and women who convert to the faith of those they wish to marry. We have plenty of cases of Hindu, Muslim, Christian and Sikh inter-marriages. However, the largest number of converts come from communities discriminated against. The outstanding example was that of Dalit leader Bhimrao Ambedkar who led his Mahar community to embrace Buddhism because they were discriminated against by upper caste Hindus. This is also true of over 90 per cent of Indian Muslims whose ancestors being lower caste embraced Islam which gave them equal status. That gives lie to the often-repeated slander that Islam made converts by the sword.

An equally large number of people converted out of gratitude. They were neglected, ignorant and poor. When strangers came to look after them, opened schools and hospitals for them, taught them, healed them and helped them to stand on their own feet to hold their heads high, they felt grateful towards their benefactors. Most of them were Christian missionaries who worked in remote villages and brought hope to the lives of people who were deprived of hope.

To this day, Christian missionaries run the best schools, colleges and hospitals in our country. They are inexpensive and free of corruption. They get converts because of the sense of gratitude they generate. Can this be called forcible conversion? Why donʼt the great champions of Hinduism look within their hearts and find out why so many are disenchanted by their pretensions of piety? Let them first set their own houses in order, purge the caste system out of Hindu society and welcome with open arms all those who wish to join them. No one will then convert from Hinduism to another religion.

Khushwant Singh is a prolific writer and journalist in India. A popular Urdu and Punjabi poet and a self proclaimed agnostic. He edited Illustrated Weekly of India and daily Hindustan Times.

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Hindu Threat to Christians: Convert or Flee


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A Christian in her burned home in the Indian state of Orissa. Villagers blamed Hindu militants.
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By SOMINI SENGUPTA
Published: October 12, 2008
BOREPANGA, India — The family of Solomon Digal was summoned by neighbors to what serves as a public square in front of the village tea shop.
They were ordered to get on their knees and bow before the portrait of a Hindu preacher. They were told to turn over their Bibles, hymnals and the two brightly colored calendar images of Christ that hung on their wall. Then, Mr. Digal, 45, a Christian since childhood, was forced to watch his Hindu neighbors set the items on fire.

“ ‘Embrace Hinduism, and your house will not be demolished,’ ” Mr. Digal recalled being told on that Wednesday afternoon in September. “ ‘Otherwise, you will be killed, or you will be thrown out of the village.’ ”

India, the world’s most populous democracy and officially a secular nation, is today haunted by a stark assault on one of its fundamental freedoms. Here in eastern Orissa State, riven by six weeks of religious clashes, Christian families like the Digals say they are being forced to abandon their faith in exchange for their safety.

The forced conversions come amid widening attacks on Christians here and in at least five other states across the country, as India prepares for national elections next spring.

The clash of faiths has cut a wide swath of panic and destruction through these once quiet hamlets fed by paddy fields and jackfruit trees. Here in Kandhamal, the district that has seen the greatest violence, more than 30 people have been killed, 3,000 homes burned and over 130 churches destroyed, including the tin-roofed Baptist prayer hall where the Digals worshiped. Today it is a heap of rubble on an empty field, where cows blithely graze.

Across this ghastly terrain lie the singed remains of mud-and-thatch homes. Christian-owned businesses have been systematically attacked. Orange flags (orange is the sacred color of Hinduism) flutter triumphantly above the rooftops of houses and storefronts.

India is no stranger to religious violence between Christians, who make up about 2 percent of the population, and India’s Hindu-majority of 1.1 billion people. But this most recent spasm is the most intense in years.

It was set off, people here say, by the killing on Aug. 23 of a charismatic Hindu preacher known as Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati, who for 40 years had rallied the area’s people to choose Hinduism over Christianity.

The police have blamed Maoist guerrillas for the swami’s killing. But Hindu radicals continue to hold Christians responsible.

In recent weeks, they have plastered these villages with gruesome posters of the swami’s hacked corpse. “Who killed him?” the posters ask. “What is the solution?”

Behind the clashes are long-simmering tensions between equally impoverished groups: the Panas and Kandhas. Both original inhabitants of the land, the two groups for ages worshiped the same gods. Over the past several decades, the Panas for the most part became Christian, as Roman Catholic and Baptist missionaries arrived here more than 60 years ago, followed more recently by Pentecostals, who have proselytized more aggressively.

Meanwhile, the Kandhas, in part through the teachings of Swami Laxmanananda, embraced Hinduism. The men tied the sacred Hindu white thread around their torsos; their wives daubed their foreheads with bright red vermilion. Temples sprouted.

Hate has been fed by economic tensions as well, as the government has categorized each group differently and given them different privileges.

The Kandhas accused the Panas of cheating to obtain coveted quotas for government jobs. The Christian Panas, in turn, say their neighbors have become resentful as they have educated themselves and prospered.

Their grievances have erupted in sporadic clashes over the past 15 years, but they have exploded with a fury since the killing of Swami Laxmanananda.

Two nights after his death, a Hindu mob in the village of Nuagaon dragged a Catholic priest and a nun from their residence, tore off much of their clothing and paraded them through the streets.
The nun told the police that she had been raped by four men, a charge the police say was borne out by a medical examination. Yet no one was arrested in the case until five weeks later, after a storm of media coverage. Today, five men are under arrest in connection with inciting the riots. The police say they are trying to find the nun and bring her back here to identify her attackers.
Given a chance to explain the recent violence, Subash Chauhan, the state’s highest-ranking leader of Bajrang Dal, a Hindu radical group, described much of it as “a spontaneous reaction.”

He said in an interview that the nun had not been raped but had had regular consensual sex.

On Sunday evening, as much of Kandhamal remained under curfew, Mr. Chauhan sat in the hall of a Hindu school in the state capital, Bhubaneshwar, beneath a huge portrait of the swami. A state police officer was assigned to protect him round the clock. He cupped a trilling Blackberry in his hand.

Mr. Chauhan denied that his group was responsible for forced conversions and in turn accused Christian missionaries of luring villagers with incentives of schools and social services.

He was asked repeatedly whether Christians in Orissa should be left free to worship the god of their choice. “Why not?” he finally said, but he warned that it was unrealistic to expect the Kandhas to politely let their Pana enemies live among them as followers of Jesus.

“Who am I to give assurance?” he snapped. “Those who have exploited the Kandhas say they want to live together?”

Besides, he said, “they are Hindus by birth.”

Hindu extremists have held ceremonies in the country’s indigenous belt for the past several years intended to purge tribal communities of Christian influence.

It is impossible to know how many have been reconverted here, in the wake of the latest violence, though a three-day journey through the villages of Kandhamal turned up plenty of anecdotal evidence.

A few steps from where the nun had been attacked in Nuagaon, five men, their heads freshly shorn, emerged from a soggy tent in a relief camp for Christians fleeing their homes.

The men had also been summoned to a village meeting in late August, where hundreds of their neighbors stood with machetes in hand and issued a firm order: Get your heads shaved and bow down before our gods, or leave this place.

Trembling with fear, Daud Nayak, 56, submitted to a shaving, a Hindu sign of sacrifice. He drank, as instructed, a tumbler of diluted cow dung, considered to be purifying.

In the eyes of his neighbors, he reckoned, he became a Hindu.

In his heart, he said, he could not bear it.

All five men said they fled the next day with their families. They refuse to return.

In another village, Birachakka, a man named Balkrishna Digal and his son, Saroj, said they had been summoned to a similar meeting and told by Hindu leaders who came from nearby villages that they, too, would have to convert. In their case, the ceremony was deferred because of rumors of Christian-Hindu clashes nearby.

For the time being, the family had placed an orange flag on their mud home. Their Hindu neighbors promised to protect them.

Here in Borepanga, the family of Solomon Digal was not so lucky. Shortly after they recounted their Sept. 10 Hindu conversion story to a reporter in the dark of night, the Digals were again summoned by their neighbors. They were scolded and fined 501 rupees, or about $12, a pinching sum here.

The next morning, calmly clearing his cauliflower field, Lisura Paricha, one of the Hindu men who had summoned the Digals, confirmed that they had been penalized. Their crime, he said, was to talk to outsiders.

Lies, slander, personal defamation on the net.. Be warned

Who are you to falsely judge another man’s servant now..     (Rev 3:19 KJV)

 

As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.   Acts 20:18

 

And when they arrived he said to them: You yourselves are well acquainted with my manner of living among you from the first day that I set foot in [the province of] Asia, and how I continued afterward, Acts 20:19 Serving the Lord with all humility in tears and in the midst of adversity (affliction and trials) which befell me, due to the plots of the Jews [against me]; Acts 20:20

How I did not shrink from telling you anything that was for your benefit and teaching you in public meetings and from house to house, Acts 20:21 But constantly {and} earnestly I bore testimony both to Jews and Greeks, urging them to turn in repentance [that is due] to God and to have faith in our Lord Jesus Christ [that is due Him].    https://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/oppressors-or-bullies-are-always-unacceptable/

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Speaking in tongues is both a personal even, praying in tongues but also a public event.. The purpose of tongues with interpretation in public is twofold. One purpose is to provide a sign for unbelievers that they might believe. The other purpose is to edify the church body. Tongues with interpretation declares the mighty works of God, exalts His name, and prompts the believers to worship Him in spirit and in truth. It also explains and calls for commitment to the church’s present mission, and neither of these gifts have even ceased in operation these last days now too..
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Also what is the advantage of “praying in tongues” in one’s private prayer life?
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There are at least four uses or purposes of unknown tongues, according to the New Testament: (1) as the initial evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4; 10:46; 19:6); (2) as a gift to edify the church when the tongues are interpreted (1 Corinthians 12:10); (3) as a sign for unbelievers that they might believe (1 Corinthians 14:22); and (4) as a God-given provision for effective prayer and praise (1 Corinthians 14:2, 14). In all these cases, tongues is the same in essence, but different in purpose.
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Praying in tongues during private devotions is an additional ministry of the Holy Spirit. Many believers today testify that praying in tongues greatly enriches their spiritual lives. The limitations of intellect are overcome as the Holy Spirit quickens the human spirit in glorious expressions of worship and adoration. The quandary of limited vocabulary and the inability to express feelings and concerns of the soul disappear as a Spirit-imparted language flows out from the heart. It is as if heaven and earth, time and eternity, God and man all compress together in a glorious act of worship.
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Also since the Holy Spirit has authentically inspired next the interpretation of the tongues now , the revelations given will never contradict the teachings of the Bible. If the interpretation is contrary to Scripture, it is out of order and must be ruled so. The Bible is the measure by which all speaking in tongues utterances as well must be judged. While spiritual gifts are divine in their origin, but they are entrusted to people, and they must operate in a way that is consistent with biblical teaching   1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order..

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Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  bad persons, bad , pastors, leaders, elders, Corporations too who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,.

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Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over..,

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I really get a big chuckle in hearing from all those pretend, rather hot air speaking in tongues experts who themselves admit they cannot speak in tongues.

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(Jer 2:19 KJV)  Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

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(Jer 3:22 KJV)  Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.

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(Jer 5:6 KJV)  Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil them, a leopard shall watch over their cities: every one that goeth out thence shall be torn in pieces: because their transgressions are many, and their backslidings are increased.

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( Is 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts; and let him return to the Lord, and He will have love, pity, {and} mercy for him, and to our God, for He will multiply to him His abundant pardon. 8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, says the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts.

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Is 56:10 watchmen are blind, they are all without knowledge; they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; dreaming, lying down, they love to slumber.

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Having clearly not an exaggerated emphasis of your own self importance, being totally in  control is part of a cluster of behaviors that can be labeled as compulsive and generally characterized by perfectionism, extreme tendencies,   and a real cover-up for your fear of having your own sinful flaws exposed. You are exposed now still too..  are grossly in error, in need of professional help, good pastoral counselling.. Verbal abuse is always unacceptable too. So are the Bullies now too. If you are a   Control freak, a bully, liar, basher  you are not only still unrealistic, immature, immoral person  but you  have a serious personality disorder. You are a menace, plus a real danger to yourself and to others Here also is what I know for sure, the older the person is the more extreme, more severe, the more difficult the punishment has  to be on them to cause them to personally to change in their own  negative ways, for they are too set in them now too. Control freaks or Bullies, abusers, wrongfully do cause  others stress so they can maintain a false sense of order. These people themselves firstly are are still riddled mostly with anxiety, fear, insecurity, and anger. They’re very critical of themselves their lover and their friends, but underneath all that still too that supposedly perfect outfit and great body is a mountain of real unhappiness, unresolved guilt, disturbed person.   I have a whole site that deals with true and false Pentecostal bashing .. There was so much emotional rubbish, lies, distortions in  critiquing the Pentecostals  that they were not at all  worth reading, it rather  gives a real bad impression to the readers about the writers, posters firstly. Why are they so filled with demons and hate? The devil is the one sided accuser of the brethren and too many writers there clearly had fell into his hold.  it seems these writers were not real Christians to start of with, they were  clearly ignorant, or ashamed off the Bible, God’s words. For certainty also because of the demonic opposition the devil will try to discourage you from finding out reading about the Holy spirit, Charismatics, Pentecostals and the Bible. I know I have experienced this myself the last  40 years. So my sites will reflect, show you what I have learned, found out on these subjects for a start.

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/distortions-lies-false-critiques/

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One thing for sure I have observed that where there are sheep now there are also many wolves, for where there are real Christians there are also the  the pretenders amongst them now, today as well. The pretender, imposter, wolf in sheep clothing do now show up for all kind of reasons even to seduce the sheep. They masquerade as pastors,, assistant pastors, elders, youth ministers, Bible college students now as well. But a close examination daily reveals these pretender, imposter, wolf in sheep clothing really have not changed, they are self centered, unloving, tend to lack compassion and consideration for any others. “For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity” (Acts 8:20-23).

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(Acts 20:29 KJV)  For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

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(Acts 20:30 KJV)  Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

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(Acts 20:31 KJV)  Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

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(Acts 20:32 KJV)  And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

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(Acts 20:33 KJV)  I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel.

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(Acts 20:34 KJV)  Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.

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(Acts 20:35 KJV)  I have showed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

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The pretender, imposter, wolf in sheep clothing even the Judas Iscariot is noted in history as the one who betrayed Him (Jesus). Yet Judas was first numbered among the Twelve apostles (Luke 6:13, 22:3; Acts 1:16-17 numbered with us), “chosen” by Christ Himself,  so how next did the “Apostle Judas” became also the traitor? What drove him to his immoral acts. The reality is that he had never died to self too.Too many a persons also do falsely deny who they really are, hiding behind prestigious or pretentious facade that they are unknown, cannot be discerned, read, known cause they are too complex.. you can fool some of the people some of the time, most of the people most of the time but not all of the people all of the time.

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Jesus himself said a person can be known simply by what they do. good people do good things.. and bad people tend to do bad things.

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(Mat 7:18 KJV)  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

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(Mat 7:19 KJV)  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

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(Mat 7:20 KJV)  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

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(Mat 7:21 KJV)  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

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(Mat 7:22 KJV)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

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(Mat 7:23 KJV)  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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(Mat 7:24 KJV)  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

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(Mat 7:25 KJV)  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

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(Mat 7:26 KJV)  And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

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(Mat 7:27 KJV)  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

. Is 57:4 Against whom do you make sport {and} take your delight? Against whom do you open wide your mouth and put out your tongue? Are you not yourselves the children of transgression, the offspring of deceit–

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The WRONGFULLY STILL Unrepentant  bully’s problem is that he or she is one of those bad persons  who only feels truly alive when voicing hostility and contempt for his “enemies.” Without that, he or she starts gasping for air. It’s his nature.. self-destructive” ..  clearly these immoral  Bully, Basher of others, Abusers of others has a disappointed, deflated ego, negative self worth,  most likely related to past unresolved guilt, as a result  of  that   the bully, he or she, tries falsely to   build  their ego up by bashing, hating others, by being an antagonists against  his proclaimed enemies, which too often also  is most people , for  he or she no longer trust anyone, and Abusers this is a common very typical approach, fact in the character build up of Bullies, Bashers, but their approach is futile, the subsequent feeling of self worth dissipates too quickly, are actually replaced by guilt,  and his ego, self worth likely needs to be recharged with new hate.. and is replaced with more and larger hatred of the others.  I have seen this type of wrong behavior   also  in religious   fundamentals evangelicals who promote hated towards Pentecostal Christians as well, and  now as well as the crooked pastor wrongfully  fighting for control over others. Public exposure and prosecution of these bad persons here too services everyone’s best interest.

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From: Franco Barone

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:55 AM

Subject: Re: L’exposition du public et la poursuite des coupables-

Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty  No one during the church age is brought before “the council” for saying “Raca!” (numskull, empty-head, or fool). No one is in danger of judgment simply because he is angry with his brother without cause.

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My reply-   Slandering, lying about, calling a specific person false names, personal attacks,  even on any public forum is still unacceptable now even if you are a Christian, a Plymouth Brethren one now too.

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Franco you have  your false personal misinterpretations of the Bible as a false cover-up for your immoral acts on the net .. but Bullying and calling a person names such as a fool, crazy, or what ever is still an unacceptable immoral act according both to Canada’s courts and the Human Rights commissions now as well and is rightfully fully prosecutable as you can see in the references detailed. If you are still unable to properly read the Bible, do talk to a good lawyer and he will tell you the same thing      All Comments containing inflammatory material, lies, slanders, offensive language, personal attacks are not permitted and will be deleted…. Despite our best hints some persons do too often turn from the Christian ideal and cheapen the quality of discourse even for everyone else. Unfortunately, it is simply impossible to write a comprehensive set of rules forbidding every type of UnChristian behavior. No love so don’t write it.. The fact that this rule may not still forbid a certain type of post does not automatically make an uncivil post appropriate, nor does it imply that the administrators will next still approve of disrespectful behavior. Every persons has a responsibility to participate in a respectful manner, and to help foster an atmosphere of thoughtful discussion. In this regard, we strongly advise all persons to  have a little common decency. Do not post personal attacks or engage in name-calling against other individual on this discussion board. Even very mild personal attacks are forbidden. Will be deleted

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And some of the unacceptable responding bullies, bashers who try their false personal attacks on me now cause I had stepped on their toes, firstly they do not even know me well enough to make any kind of personal judgmental bashings  upon me never mind doing it now even in public too, and slander is what it is.. . Amazing how I tend to post the same response to the same related subjects on various sites I tend to visit , one site accepts the message and me,  but clearly the other one hates me and the message.. the response to me shows a lot about the responder.  

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Some Brethren persons  who write to me clearly have often said to me that they do not like the replies I post back on the net. I do not spam, I firstly write an email to no one unless they had written to me or have requested me to write to them. But I am free to write, in decency now too,  on whatever I want on the net  even about the unacceptable brethren abuses, Pentecostal bashers, haters.. like it or not. Life is not one sided where the crooks, perverts have the sole rights and no one else.

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“”From: franco barone  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:26 PM   Subject: Re: Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty persons serves everyone’s best interest Your a child and have yet to put away your childish things.  You need to read your own words of who is accusing whom, on the internet.  Be assured he who thinks he standeth will surely fall, and how great is that fall.” .  So go ahead and prosecute you fool! What are you waiting for? ”

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My rightful reply Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:41 PM  Subject:

Re: L’exposition du public et la poursuite des coupables- Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty

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(Mat 5:22 KJV)  But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.  . Now you are adding to your continual  unacceptable slander of me by calling me a fool.. slandering me again.. contrary to the laws of Canada, the Charter rights, and what you do not honour now the laws of the country too, never mind God’s laws clearly as well.. And you say you want to me to go ahead and prove to the world that I have asked your RIGHTFULLY to repent, stop your  immoral acts. .. Well  I have already done that ..( I have also deleted your bad posts, slanders too)  but look again and do see the people I wrote too worldwide, Canada wide, Ontario, including Quebec, Canada .. Do see my posts posts about you on the net too..  .  as a Canadian I have legal, human rights, ask any lawyer now, cause you need one .. your OWN DISTORTED  interpretation of the Bible does not count for me, when clearly you falsely as we all can see FIRSTLY EVEN THAT  now do not practice it even.  Preach first to yourself FOR I would rather see you live it firstly and so would the rest of us. Do note I PERSONALLY   do not HAVE TO resort  to calling you  UNACCEPTABLE  NAMES to these discuss issues… YET YOU SIMPLY unacceptably now DO HAVE TO DO THAT. Is that an other  example of a CLEARLY bad  Brethren, dispensational Christian NOW?       . Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty persons serves everyone’s best interest..  I also rightfully do not accept any personal lies, slanders, abuses, personal attacks, defamation  quietly.

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Some people like to give it to others but next wrongfully cry, wrongfully do complain when they get it back..   . Be warned.  No I do not accept personal insults lies, abuse, slander of me from even so called Christian Brethren for It is a  prosecutable human rights courts offence in Canada even if it is done on the internet. Be warned now.. (Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. .  As even posted on the net now, on my many sites too,  I have already contacted 500 elected officials in Canada, all the major news editors and have lodged formal complaints now about the much too many lying, abusive brethren, and I have gotten response from 2 provinces, related  minister already and they are working on the matter  . ” You are a heretic, and you call yourself a Christian. .. You are a braggart and a bully. A false accuser of all true born-again believing Christians…  You are indeed a hypocrite. 50 years? You have learned nothing. …    You error in not knowing what you speak of, and it is to your shame for you do the LORD Christ Jesus an injustice.  Surely the dog has turned to his vomit. Diotrophes.”  

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Lies, libels, personal slanders, character assignations even from any  professing Christian persons now  are still unacceptable and full prosecutable

 

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Brethren sins shouted from the house tops and they do not like it. .  (Heb 10:24 KJV)  And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:  . BUT INSTEAD NAME CALLINGS. BASHING, is what they mainly do.. and are known for as well.  . I SHOULD RIGHTFULLY NOW MAKE A COLLECTION OF ALL THE LIES, DIRTY NAMES, SLANDERS, PLYMOUTH BRETHREN RESPOND WITH..GOD HIMSELF DOES NOT ACCEPT VERBAL, HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES, NEITHER DO I. THEY FIRSTLY SHOULD TAKE THE BEAMS OUT OF THEIR  OWN EYE FIRST.   https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/   http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-false-dispensationalists-dispensationalism/ .  Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty persons serves everyone’s best interest

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“Perhaps one of the greatest heresies of our day arises from a theological ignorance with respect to the Bible’s teaching on sanctification. While .. Many (Falsely) simply operate under the assumption that obedience, repentance, love for God’s law, and mortification of sin are unnecessary addendums to true faith,  reserved for a special class of “spiritual Christians”, yet still optional for those “carnal Christians” who embrace Christ as Savior but refuse Him as Lord.   How does (anyone,) Ryrie respond to the New Testament texts, especially in the gospels, which so obviously teach that both a change of mind and heart are necessary consequences of justifying faith? … While inconsistent dispensationalists can and do believe in the necessity of repentance, the logical conclusions of classic dispensationalism yield the kind of devastating errors which sees faith as nothing more than a change of mind with regards to the facts of the gospel.  ”  http://covenantgrace.blogspot.com/2008/02/some-of-puritans-believed-that.html

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Lip service Christianity is still not acceptable. Ongoing continual personal repentance  for sins  is also not optional.. but a necessary subjection even for http://startnow72.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/benny-hinn-makes-todd-bentley-looked-like-an-amatuer/#comment-999

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>>Grace said, on August 11th, 2008 at 11:33 pm   “the nonconformist” ..  he is very violent and abusive!

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(1 Cor 9:27 KJV)  But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.  (Heb 12:9 KJV)  Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?  . The Bible, New Testament, Jesus the apostles gives us clear warnings as to the characteristics of the type of persons who  even go out of their way to betray Jesus Christ, including even Judas one of the 12 apostles, the religious Jews, legalists and  Hypocrites, the Scribes and Pharisees such  as Saul , as well as materialistic oriented persons,  and sadly even the professing Christians like Apostle Peter. The betrayal of Jesus was wrongfully also next inflicted upon His Followers  including more  lies, slander, human rights violations, and it will go on today, unless someone opposes it, rightfully stands up against it.

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The ongoing wars- one sided Religious discussions Christianity – Bashers, Bullies, falsehoods, Hatred, liars, libel, Pentecostal Haters .   You can bully me, bash me, play on words too, even call me a liar, but that will not deny the truth of what I have experienced  the last 3 decades on the net and in many in churches now as well.. the truth that any  bad Conservative is not any better than a bad Liberal.. and professing Conservatives, professing Christians,  evangelical pastors included  who  themselves now wrongfully are too often now just as ungodly human right violators as any of the ungodly, secular  persons too. They also should first Judge themselves before they judge the others, Christians too like to judge others but not themselves. . Often I have noted, experienced on the web even that even the professing Christians are abusive, do try to dominate, do disrespect others, and falsely censure others, lie about and slander them as well. It is always still a personal choice that has nothing to do with their persons personal political or religious beliefs, experiences now too.

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I always find it very interesting how so many people, professing Christians even  like to talk about themselves and others, to post ON THE NET the supposed sins of others, but not their own sins..  REALLY HYPOCRITICAL STILL TOO. (Mat 3:8 KJV)  Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:  9   And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 10    And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. (Mat 7:3 KJV)  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5   Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.  . (Mat 7:14 KJV)  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26  And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

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Isn’t nice that according to the Canadian Charter of rights I too now can write to absolutely now any one I want to  still, all news editors, all politicians too,  and that if they  do not want to read my emails they  can just delete them too.. or they  can first take their  email of the net and stop requesting people to write to them. I would have thought that they too  knew that by now too.. funny.. What do any of them still think they or you are the only one who can tell, write and post the truths even on the net still? and the rest of us cannot?  . It seems you cannot trust the federal or the provincial, municipal  governments in Canada still..  do  we all do these days too do keep on getting media revelations of abuses, corruptions, lies etc.

 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/toronto-councillor-adam-giambrone-lies/

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I do also  have to say I was amazed so readily myself. How in my last few decades of Canadian experiences how quickly the too apparent crooks it seems are the first ones who threaten to or do  sue, even how they do try to shut up the truth from the public exposure, a subject that I  have often written about..   . Our governments and the courts clearly are firstly very slow to enforce prosecutions of the really clearly bad persons such as the bad cops, bad civil and public servants, too many tax evaders, thieves, tax payer’s money abusers    and undeniably as well but what the very apparent crooks can too readily sue the others.. ..  falsely can attempt to suppress, obstruct  justice from being carried out?  . And there are  still too many for my liking in Canada  crooked professionals such as even crooked realtors, bad Real estate firms, bad Accountants, bad lawyers, bad Pastors and priests now too, bad cops, bad medical workers, bad civil and public servants, too many tax evaders, even too many  bad telecommunication, internet firms guilty of false, misleading advertising and customer abuses too such as Bell..

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2010/04/13/the-way-normal-business-is-supposedly-being-carried-in-canada/

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From: Bentley_Chris-MPP-CO

Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:01 AM

Cc: attorneygeneral@ontario.ca

Subject: RE: about the Pentecostal haters, bashers on the net presently..

Good morning: Thank you for taking the time to contact Chris Bentley’s Constituency Office.  I will bring your email to Mr. Bentley’s attention. Since your concerns are a matter for the Attorney General.  I have taken the liberty of forwarding your email to the Ministry of the Attorney General to be responded to.  If you would like to follow up with Mr. Bentley’s Toronto office directly please do not hesitate to contact (416) 326-2220 or 1-800-518-7901 attorneygeneral@ontario.ca.

Thank you again,

Ashley Conyngham Constituency Assistant Chris Bentley, MPP London West 8-11 Base Line Road East London, Ontario N6C 5Z8 Tel: (519) 657-3120 Fax: (519) 657-0368 Mobile: (519) 281-2153

 

do see also

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/misapplications-of-the-laws-in-canada/

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080717/national/internet_defamation

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/libel-2/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/libel/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/libel-on-the-net/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/thedeezone-175228/

  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/the-spin-game-evangelicals-and-their-leaders-pastors-do-play-now/

http://monergist.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/95-theses-against-dispensationalism/trackback/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/   http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/bullies-free-speech/

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