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Now the whole Bible realy does not say do not judge others.. but it says for us to judge righteosuly and not wrongfully. The Bible forbids only the unrighteous judgment. There is no such thing as living in a world in which individuals are not being judged by others for the actions that they take or what they say.

Prov 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent

NOW ANYBODY CAN BE DECEIVED AND THAT IS WHY JESUS USED THE WORDS BEWARE OF ….

be·ware (b¹-wâr“) v. be·wared, be·war·ing, be·wares. –tr. 1. To be on guard against; be cautious of. –intr. To be cautious; exert caution.

MT 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

MT 10:17 “But beware of men,

MT 16:6 Then Jesus said to them, “Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.”

Too many now even  of those Third way preachers, or the apostolic ones are false, even yes those who call themselves apostles and prophets.  False pride comes before their freat downfall again they now clearly have hijacked the full Gospel to exalt themselves falsely or to   raise money for themselves, it is a self job creation empire, they even steal cause they are all mostly hirelings.. and it is  why they so easily commit adultery now as well.. and are too often  alcoholic drunks .. liars..  do even practice divorce , now by their own fruits you can tell what they realy are.. 

So many so called Christian. leaders, TV evangelsist, Preachers are so busy tying now to change the others, but are they themselves firstly now really even walking in the right path? An in-depth study will prove the too many of the leaders, teachers who are fanatically entrenched into this helping us in this Reformation,  Apostolic movement are even deliberately  attempting to steal the  Bible believing Christian’s Money.. Don’t be suprised at all of this for the old testament priests stole God’s tithe, money as well. Read the book of Malachi.

Mal 2:1  And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. Mal 2:2  If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Mal 2:3  Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. Mal 2:4  And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. Mal 2:5  My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. Mal 2:6  The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity. Mal 2:7  For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. Mal 2:8  But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. Mal 2:9  Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law. Mal 2:10  Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers? Mal 2:11  Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.          

These Spiritual deceivers in outward appearance imitate God’s authority and ways. These Spiritual deceivers will incorporate some actual truth side-by-side with their message to give it the air of believability. They often accurately address our own personal issues of sin to fool us into believing the rest of what they say might be right. These Spiritual deceivers often reinterpret right worship as somehow being wrong worship as an early step towards establishing a greater false belief system. These Spiritual deceivers’ earthly greed is an indication of their spiritual greed. They think everyone is just like them. these Spiritual deceivers often start out right in life and believe that their earlier faithfulness still extends and covers their latter unfaithfulness. They often truly believe their authority derives from God because they have been given over fully to the deception themselves. Like King Saul, Balaam was in the old Testament, and many others now too…

The third wave church I went to went bankrupt and all the bad pastors had to look for a job elsewhere.. they were crooks, I had asked them to repent but they had refused..

(Acts 5:29 KJV) Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

We have to face life with the main goal of pleasing God firstly not anyone else, we are not men pleasers. and the fact the just shall live by faith in God, in all things, faith that God will protect us, look after us, we need to be more worried about how God see us, and what he thinks about us. So do you read your Bible daily to find out God’s instructions for you or do you easily still just do your own thing, that which is right in your own eyes. Beloved, because “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever” (Hebrews 13:8), as He was with Joseph, He is with you right now. And He will empower you to live the high life — the abundant life in which you will see God’s promises manifest! and not the lies of mere men..

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(Heb 10:38 KJV)  Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Real Christians do not beg for money they use their faith in God. We always live by faith in God… unless you are acting c…arnal or a Hireling.. My material is offered free all over the net.. Real Christians do not beg  others for money they use their faith in God
One giving lip service to God will still get you to hell even if you are a Jew or a professing Christian .   If you disobey the revealed will of God, are not  following God’s plan for your life, you can pray all you want, go to church every day, quote by faith all the Bible verses, gave all the money away you have too,  God will not hear you until you repent, change from your bad way, sin..
. (1 Sam 15:23 KJV) For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
(2 Chr 33:6 KJV) And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Prov 10:22 The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it.
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” Spending time alone with Jesus is essential for your well being. It is not a luxury or an option; it is a necessity. Therefore, don’t feel guilty about taking time out to be with Him. Remember satan is the accuser of believers. He delights in heaping those guilty feelings on us, especially when we are enjoying the presence of Jesus. When you feel satans accusations, you are most likely on the right track. Use your shield of faith to protect yourself from him. Talk with Jesus and tell Him what you are experiencing, and ask Him to show you the way forward. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Get close to Jesus, and He will get close to you.” Bismark Kobi

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Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, :23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

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ONE CAN IMMEDIATELY HAVE THE FRUIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT BY ASKING FOR IT.. THERE ARE NO CONDTIONS. UNLIKE THE GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

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Mental Conversion to Jesus may take only a moment but practical, real transformation, conversion may take a lifetime?

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BASICALLY IT ALL DEPENDS HOW LONG YOU REALY WANT TO MAKE JESUS THE LORD OF YOUR WHOLE LIFE AND DIE TO SELF.. IN A MOMENT OR IN A LIFE TIME?

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Is Jesus Christ now the Lord of your life? or not yet? WHY NOT?

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SOME PERSONS STILL NEVER MAKE THE FULL TRANSITION SADLY..

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(John 1:12 KJV) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

(John 6:29 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

(John 9:35 KJV) Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

(John 9:36 KJV) He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?

(John 17:20 KJV) Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

(Acts 16:31 KJV) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

(Acts 19:4 KJV) Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

(Rom 4:24 KJV) But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

(Phil 1:29 KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

(1 John 3:23 KJV) And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

(1 John 5:13 KJV) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

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If Jesus Christ now is not the Lord of your life yet do not be suprised God is not using you, or that you are not being enpowered by the Holy Spirit, and as a result you are mostly BARREN

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AND FOR A TOUCH OF HEAVEN HERE ON EARTH.. CLAIM THESE PROMISES NOW

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Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

(Rev 21:4 KJV) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

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  ” There is a river of the Holy Spirit that comes from God whose streams makes glad “believers” and fills them with joy and peace. As a result this river gives them joy and gladness, thanksgiving and the voice of melody. Yes, Joy and gladness are the trade marks of being filled with the power of the Holy Spirit. Christianity is not only to be understood with our hearts and minds and appreciated for its many miracles, signs and wonders but it’s to be experienced through the moving of the Holy Spirit. ” Walt Kam ”

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There are some people who want to be the bride on every wedding and the corpse on every funeral! Don’t do anything from selfish ambition or from a cheap desire to boast, but be humble toward one another, always considering others better than yourselves. Philippians 2:3 When you are invited by anyone to a wedding feast, do not sit down in the best place, lest one more honorable than you be invited by him; and he who invited you and him come and say to you, ‘Give place to this man,’ and then you begin with shame to take the lowest place. But when you are invited, go and sit down in the lowest place, so that when he who invited you comes he may say to you, ‘Friend, go up higher.’ Then you will have glory in the presence of those who sit at the table with you. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. Luke 14:8-11   Remember the cause of King Herod’s death? Acts 12:21-24″ Magumba Martin  

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Is it right for a woman to preach, prophecy, speak in toungues,  or to pray in the church without wearing a covering on her head? This is a very divisive, controversial and an often too  emotional issue.. Firstly is it right for a women to preach? not just without a physical or symbolic covering, meaning the approval of the elders of a church? … The pastor firstly basically is not to  be the head elder of a church too ?  Another related Question is it right for a Church not to be run by a group of elders?   And Can a women be a preacher, an Apostle, a Missionary? Now what about apostle Junia , Rom 16:7 “Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.” Is it now also the letter of the law that only counts or the spirit of the law? And what about the Magna Carta of women even as stated by Jesse Pen Lewis ? It is true that the  Hen pecked husbands do not like the wife to embaress them in Public? Can a wife though preach with ther husband’s permission?
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Pray about it and ask God to show you the truth and not mere men..
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(Isa 66:3 KJV) He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
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It seems that many people, professing Christians included now,  tend to personally only seek God only when they have serious needs, problems or they do want something really bad and next when the problem is solved, or they got what they wanted, they next often tend to, do seem to forget about God again? But even all Christians now still do have major problems in life.. for there is a real devil who troubles us personally all of our life and we we are to resist him in the faith.. True happiness cannot be in reality achieved without having a continual, personal relationship with God here on earth and us continually knowing and following solely his will of our life too, instead of Idols.    Why is God jealous of idols before us? well it means he is envious for our own good.. he strives for all things to be our good… What idols? what ever replaces God is an idol.. what ever you falsely worship as substitute for God. And it can be drugs, booze, sex, or your wife, son , daughter, a persons, car,  self, even your church, your pastor, your denomination, your own doctrines, beliefs, your culture, your nationality … for we all had or  have a god shaped vacuum in our life.. but  filling it with extremes or  false substitutes, junk will never be acceptable to God. Never.
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If you still do have a God shaped vacuum that is unfilled, then no other things, no relationships or careers, goals, next will satisfy you, not even any personal, social, community relationships, acts.  Hey I also have learned long time ago that merely telling the truth to some people will not work, they have their false idols, false lies they still want to handle, and they will take the Ostrich approach to the truth, but hopefully the truth will next still help some people. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/you-can-have-no-idols-before-god-ever/
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Still the essentials of the Bible  are:

I believe that Jesus Christ was literally conceived and born of a virgin named Mary (Isaiah 7:14; Luke 1:26-33).

I believe that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life (1 Pet. 2:22; 1 Jn. 3:5).

I believe that salvation is in none other than through the name, person, work, and grace of Jesus Christ (Jn. 14:6; Jn. 3:16; Rom.5:8).

I believe that all 66 books of the Bible are the “only” inspired word of God to the world. I do not acknowledge the Apocrypha, Psuedopigrapha, Gnostic Gospels, or the Book of Mormon to be “inspired scripture” (Tim. 3:16).

I believe that God is the creator of all things, is all-poIrful, all-knowing, and in control to do as He wills (14:15; Jer. 32:17; Eph. 3:20; Psa.139:1-4; 1 Sam.2:6-9; Psa. 24:1).

I believe that all of humanity has fallen short of God’s glory and is in need of salvation; hence the reason Jesus Christ came to the earth (Rom. 3:23; Rom. 6:23; Rom. 5:8; Jn. 14:6).

I believe that God is one, but reveals Himself through the persons of the Trinity as The Father, The Son as Jesus Christ , and The Holy Spirit. Furthermore, I believe that each Person of this Trinity is God (1 Cor. 8:6 6:44; Rom. 1:7; Isa. 9:6; Jn. 1:1 Acts 5:3; Heb 9:14; Jn. 4:24).

I believe that those who die without salvation go to a literal place called Hell (Psa. 9:17; Psa.73:12-19; Luke 16:23.26; Jn. 12:48).

I believe that those who belong to Christ will inherit eternal life in a literal Kingdom of Heaven (Isaiah 65; Zech. 14).

I believe that Jesus Christ will return to gather His people, as Ill as the resurrection of the dead in Christ at His return (1 Cor. 15:21-23).

I believe in the water baptism of believers in Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38-41; Acts 22:16).

I belive in God’s will still is healing for his children, it is the children’s bread

I believe in the Holy Spirit baptism of believers in Christians evidenced by speaking in tongues as a separate experience upon making Jesus Christ Lord of your life personally ( Acts 10:38) 

I believe that Christ is the Head of the church, which should be governed by Him and that all ministers are simply under-shepherds, mutual and voluntarily  submissive one to another, plural eldershp(Eph. 1:22-23).

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More helps? great links, see

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/available-free-christian-resources-christian-ebooks/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/free-christian-ebooks-ocean-city-blog-pass-it-on/

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http://pbulow.tripod.com/index.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/god-can-speak-directly-to-you.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/money-and-ministry.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2012/01/alcohol-and-other-vices.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2012/01/spiritual-gifts.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/facing-death-and-devil-too.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/about-apostles.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/those-unacceptable-persons-bullies.html

http://sacred-truths.blogspot.com/2011/12/ten-commandments.html

-Does God speak to you? http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/does-god-speak-to-you/

-God still speaks outside of the Bible as well  http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/god-still-speaks-outside-of-the-bible-as-well/

-THE PROMISE of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit IS FOR YOU http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-promise-of-the-outpouring-of-the-holy-spirit-is-for-you/

-Anointed Christian believers http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/anointed-christian-believers/

-Anointed Continued http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/anointed-continued/

-Jesus Christ http://witnessed.wordpress.com/tag/jesus-christ/?vm=r

-The Church of Jesus Christ http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-church-of-jesus-christ/

-Alive, alive my Jesus is alive for evermore http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/alive-alive-my-jesus-is-alive-for-evermore/

-The true Church of Jesus Christ http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/the-true-church-of-jesus-christ/

-Pentecostals http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/pentecostals/

-God has set us free http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/god-has-set-us-free/

-Jesus can give us a fresh start everyday even in all things https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/jesus-can-give-us-a-fresh-start-everyday-even-in-all-things/

-The Holy Spirit’s anointing http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/the-holy-spirits-anointing/

-A SABBATH REST OR A GODLY REST? http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/a-sabbath-rest-or-a-godly-rest/

-True Christians Are Holy Ghost Baptized http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/true-christians-are-holy-ghost-baptized/

-Why God Used D. L. Moody By R. A. Torrey http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/why-god-used-d-l-moody-by-r-a-torrey/

-The Holy Spirit is the mind of Christ http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-holy-spirit-is-the-mind-of-christ/

-The false Demotion of the Holy Spirit, Jesus http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-false-demotion-of-the-holy-spirt-jesus/

-The restoration of http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/the-restoration-of/

-The essential Political, Relgious, Christian truths https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/the-essential-political-relgious-christian-truths/

-Worship Him by giving http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/worship-him-by-giving/

-The gift of discernment https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/the-gift-of-discernment/

-Righteous In Christ Alone! http://jesussayscome.wordpress.com/

-The Supremacy of Jesus Christ http://jesussayscome.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/supremacy-of-jesus-christ/

The Promises OF Eternal Life by Jesus Christ http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/the-promises-of-eternal-life-by-jesus-christ/

-Some people are realy lucky.. they experience  Jesus http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/

-How do you recognize if a person is a true Christian, or what  is a Christian? http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/how-do-you-recognize-if-a-person-is-a-true-christian-or-what-is-a-christian/

-Once Saved Always Saved ? Can you still lose your salvation in  Jesus Christ? https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/once-saved-always-saved-can-you-still-lose-your-salvation-in-jesus-christ/

-Bad Pastors, bad deacons, bad elders = bad church https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-deacons-bad-elders-bad-church/

-Hireling http://thenonconformer.yolasite.com/index/hireling

-Many persons now they are trying to change  others http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/many-persons-now-they-are-trying-to-change-others/

-About those that hate me and thee wrongfully http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/about-those-that-hate-me-and-thee-wrongfully/

-Laying of hands, Impartation, Breathe of the Spirit,  Anointings, Anointed http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/laying-of-hands-impartation-breathe-of-the-spirit-anointings-anointed/

-They realy have not been Baptized yet by the Lord Jesus Christ  and his Holy Spirit http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/they-realy-have-not-been-baptized-yet-by-the-lord-jesus-christ-and-his-holy-spirit/

-They ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ http://jesussayscome.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/they-ceased-not-to-teach-and-preach-jesus-christ/

-The power in the name of jesus http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/the-power-in-the-name-of-jesus/

-The need for binding and loosening related to Satan, his evil  spirits. http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/the-need-for-binding-and-loosening-related-to-satan-his-evil-spirits/

-The Pentecostal Movement https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-pentecostal-movement/

-My biggest regrets http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/my-biggest-regrets/

-You cannot judge me https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/you-cannot-judge-me/

-Pride leads to destruction and humility to honour.. What  motivates many persons these days? https://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/06/05/pride-leads-to-destruction-and-humility-to-honour-what-motivates-many-persons-these-days/

-The ostrich form of Christianity that contradicts the Bible http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/the-ostrich-form-of-christianity-that-contradicts-the-bible/

-It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man  to hear the song of fools http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/t-is-better-to-hear-the-rebuke-of-the-wise-than-for-a-man-to-hear-the-song-of-fools/

– WHO IS JESUS CHRIST – IS HE A JEW, GENTILE OR NEITHER NOW? http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/who-is-jesus-christ-is-he-a-jew-gentile-or-neither-now/

-What does the word chosen mean in the Bible? http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/what-does-the-word-chosen-mean-in-the-bible/

-Jews, Arabs, None of them politically correct. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/jews-arabs-none-of-them-politically-correct/

-Now why was Jesus even so angry with the Pharisees https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/now-why-was-jesus-even-so-angry-with-the-pharisees/

-About those Jews, persons who still falsely refuse to  acknowledge openly Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/about-those-jews-persons-who-still-falsely-refuse-to-acknowledge-openly-jesus-christ-as-their-lord-and-savior/

-Sheep or trouble maker? https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/trouble-maker-or-a-timid-sheep/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/jesus-christ-is-god/

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a friend is someone who will readily do what you ask them to do and we tend to seek their approval, acceptance, advice, opinions..

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Psa 50:16  But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?  :17  Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.  :18  When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers.  :19  Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.  :20  Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother’s son.  :21  These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.  :22  Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.  :23  Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I show the salvation of God.

Do you have bad Christian and non Christian friends who cheat, lies, steal, use bad words, profanity, are involved pornogrpahy, are alcoholics, adulterers etc..

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well you cannot even lead them to Christ if you disobey God and are now friends with them

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a man is known by the company he or she keeps, tell me who your friends are and we can tell what kinda of a person you really are like..

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2 Cor 3:2  Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:

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Eph 5:2  And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3  But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4  Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5  For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6  Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. :7  Be not ye therefore partakers with them. :8  For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9  (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10  Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13  But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14  Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.  :15  See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,  :16  Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17  Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18  And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19  Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20  Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

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1 John 2:15  Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17  And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

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2 Cor 6:14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

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2 Cor 6:17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2 Cor 7:1  Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God..

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I  am getting tired of the person wanting to be friends and them next contacting me ASAP and begging me ASAP for money on the net…  God is to be their source.. not me.. and true Christians do not beg for it.. they always pray for it..secretly too..  and if God is not supplying it do ASAP ask Him why.. I was with a group of Bible students living in a home and we trated soley God to supply our needs.. …we would make a lst of things we wanted, needed and would pray over it, in Jesus name and next God would supply everything in his way and in his time.. Months later this miraculous supply  had stopped one day for good,  and when I went to prayer to God as to why , God had said one of the Bible students was stealing the food, reselling it, cause he was going out with a girl.. Reminds me of the too many bad TV preachers too.. what else is new a Judas in our midst.. so God could not bless us with his provisons. The Just shall live by Faith in God, and not faith in others..  You know I often  hear alcoholics as well quoting me Bible verses as to why they should get money from others too.. so they can continue in sin.. Now as per  “carrying one another burdens to furfill the word of God?” is that in your Gospel or what Bible specifc verse are you referring to?  Cause I agree we are to pray one for another.. Cause God also said we are to insure our  money is spent wisely, we are to be good stewards of it too. God also said cursed, note cursed, is he that puts his trust into man,, for then God will show you wahat sinful man is realy like.. The just shall live by faith in God.. not faith in your church, pastor, wife, brothers  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/god-wants-you-to-grow/

Mat 18:7  Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!  :8  Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.  :9  And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.  :10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.  11  For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.  :12  How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?  :13  And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.  :14  Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

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Mat 18:15  Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.  :16  But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. ; 17  And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.  :18  Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.  :19  Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.  :20  For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. 

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:21  Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?  :22  Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. 

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What is it that  the witnesses attest? God already knows the wrong done.. and what the wittness are for is that it is undeiable evidence that you gave the offending brother or sister now a chance to repent for if he or she now does not God will, he God himelf will deal with them, and believe me when I clearly say that  it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.. for i have often seen the unrepentant person, or pastor, elder, next  lose their heath, prosperity, job, church, ministry even, some  their life, next as a direct result that they had refused to repent, to take heed to what was presented to them in front of wittnesses.

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.MEN AND WOMEN DO NOW NEED TO DRESS EVERYWHERE, IN CHURCHES NOW TOO LIKE REAL,  HUMBLE  CHRISTIANS AND NOT LIKE WHORES. YES GET THE BRIGHT COLORED OR TIGHT PANTS OFF THE SUPPOSED LADIES. AND THE SHORT DRESSES TOO.. DO ALL STOP LOOKING LIKE WHORES. DO STOP THE SHOW OFF EXPENSIVE CLOTHES, SHOES EVEN AT CHURCH TOO LIKE IT WAS A COMPETETION, AFASHION SHOW.. GOD DOES NTO CARE ABOUT THE NICE CLOTHERS BUT HE CARES ONLY ABOUT YOUR HEART CONDITON AND HOW YOU DO TREAT HIS SON JESUS CHRIST AND OTHERS..

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Nearly Half of Churchgoing Americans Say Church Doesn’t Have an Effect on Their Lives    because more than half of them are merely social climbers and are not real Christians, they are not saved in Jesus Christ yet.. they clearly go to church for the wrong reasons.. they even refuse to admit they are sinners even.. otherwise they would likley want to be saved, healed, delivered..

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John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

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Believe on the lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.. is what the New Testament says

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Start to listen to God and not self. mere men.. follow the Bible itself..

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A FULL HONEST GOSPEL INCLUDES BOTH JESUS AS SAVIOR AND CHRIST AS HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZER.

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The word christos means a person HOLY SPIRIT anointed . The Greek name for an individual “Christos” rendered “Christ” in Scripture, the basic of the term Christian now as well, comes from the Greek word “chrio” means to anoint with oil, the symbol of the Holy Spirit, one can tell if any person is a Christian cause they also can see the evidence of the holy spirit’s anointing.. so now we all can be anointed one inspectors of all Christians now too.

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Luke 4:18-19 (Wey) [Jesus:] “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed me to proclaim Good News to the poor; He has sent me to announce release to the prisoners of war and recovery of sight to the blind: to send away free those whom tyranny has crushed, to proclaim the year of acceptance with the Lord.”

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But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. . . . As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him. 1 John 2:20, 27

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Additionally, we find a word christianos in Acts 11:26, which means “one belonging to the Anointed One,”

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Disciples of Jesus Christ were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Acts 11:26) because evidentially their behavior, activity, and speech were anointed, Christ like. (Acts 10:38 KJV) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

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ALSO DEFINATELY ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRT IN THE BOOKS OF ACTS THEY ALL WERE GIVEN A PRAYER LANGUUAGE, ALL PRAYED IN TOUNGUES,, SO WHY DO THE FALSE PREACHERS OMIT THIS? DEVIL LED OF COURSE..

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Eat the meat God wants us all to eat.. the truth and the reality still is that Christian vegetarianism is a minority Christian … Christian vegetarianism is not a common practice.. The Bible records Jesus eating fish (Luke 24:42-43) and lamb (Luke 22:8-15). Jesus miraculously fed the crowds fish and bread, a strange thing for Him to do if He was a vegetarian (Matthew 14:17-21). In a vision to the apostle Peter, Jesus declared all foods to be clean, including animals (Acts 10:10-15). After the flood in Noah’s time, God gave humanity permission to eat meat (Genesis 9:2-3). God has never rescinded this permission. the nation of Israel was commanded not to eat certain foods (Leviticus 11:1-47), but there was never a command against eating meat. Jesus declared all foods, including all kinds of meat, to be clean (Mark 7:19). As with anything, each Christian should pray for guidance as to what God would have him/her eat. Whatever we decide to eat is acceptable to God as long as we thank Him for providing it (1 Thessalonians 5:18). “So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31).

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we are not to judge what is right for any Christian believer to eat..

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Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. :16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

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I do believe we all should have   faith for God to supply what we  needs and  rightfully I still do not endorse any Christians , anyone, any person, any organization, any Church, Hirelings  now trying to make any money from  the gospel, or especaily now  their  too often begging, asking for funding,  money.  They need to pray for it. I also do not approve of   Bibles, books, tapes being listed   for sale in churches or on the net. Jesus said as we have freely received so we are freely to give. Hirelings in their greed and visible lack of faith don’t trust God  to provide.. but trust others to do so….. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/god-wants-you-to-grow/

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Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;  Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.   The greek tense here is continual present meaning God keeps on giving to the church, apostles, prophets..

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2 Cor 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

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By the way God do clearly note that has continually called many all of the humble Apostles and God serving Prophets to his body, the church of today, and they all were easily recognized as such by many beievers even by their true gifts now too, and they did not force themselves upon us, they were mutally submissve too, and God has not called a few or just One person such as this false Apostle Eric vonAnderseck whose cold and clearly unloving posts are not HOLY SPIRIT led, for he still also believes that the BIBLE as we have it is a lie from Satan and he says that there should be extra books in it such as the three so-called books of Enoch found in the Catholic Bibles which are rightfully not part of the Bible and for good reasons now too.. so do dispose all of his clearly Catholic based charismatic messages in the trash bins.

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You see, in order for their teaching to flourish, they must first claim that the “true” teachings of the Christian Church have been lost and that “they” are the sole ones who are sent to reveal what God “really” wants Christians to know in these last days The typical confusing messages as supposedly being being sent by God to “restore the truth” is very common, too typical among cult and false groups led by Satan such as the Mormons, Jehovah Winttsess, Seventh Day adventists, Judiazers, Plymouth Bretheren now too… .He clearly also wants to be able to teach whatever he wants without anyone criticizing him or comparing his teachings to the Bible. What is he afraid of? Obvious his exposure as being false..

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Ezek 13:1  And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2  Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; 3  Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 4  O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. 5  Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. 6  They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. 7  Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken? 8  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. :9  And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. 10  Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered mortar: 11  Say unto them which daub it with untempered mortar, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12  Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? 13  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. :14  So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered mortar, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 15  Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered mortar, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; 16  To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD. 17  Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them, 18  And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? 19  And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies? 20  Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. 21  Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 22  Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: :23  Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 2 KJV)  Examine me, O LORD, and prove me; try my reins and my heart.
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(2 Cor 13:5 KJV)  Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
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(John 8:29 KJV)  And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
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(Rom 8:8 KJV)  So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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(Rom 15:1 KJV)  We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
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(Rom 15:2 KJV)  Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
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(Gal 1:10 KJV)  For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
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(1 Th 2:15 KJV)  Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
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(1 Th 4:1 KJV)  Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
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(2 Tim 2:4 KJV)  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
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(Heb 11:6 KJV)  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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One can often now see all types of posts on the Christian nets and also now written for all kinds of reasons, and some are written under the direct leading of the holy spirit, some are written to promote self, some are written out of guilt of not having served God adequately, some are written out a false ambition to promote oneself, etc. Now ambition is a great thing if our ambition is centered to worship, glory God to uplift the name of Jesus Christ,, but Satan, the devil, Lucifer and even the apostle Judas too  got carried away with his ambitions that it was sinful… but  all ambition is not God ordained or God approved just as not all of the pastors, prophets, evangelists, apostles, have been really called by God into the ministry, thus so they are false ones too, imposters, pretenders.
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(1 Cor 11:28 KJV) But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
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(2 Sam 1:25 KJV)  How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle!
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(Psa 36:12 KJV)  There are the workers of iniquity fallen: they are cast down, and shall not be able to rise.
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(Lam 5:16 KJV)  The crown is fallen from our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned!
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(Ezek 13:12 KJV)  Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?
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((Hosea 7:7 KJV)  They are all hot as an oven, and have devoured their judges; all their kings are fallen: there is none among them that calleth unto me.
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(Hosea 14:1 KJV)  O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.
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Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.   (Gen 3:1 KJV) Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? …  1 Tim 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.   Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.   2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;  
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Beware, remember that each one of us alone we all are always still personaly respsonsible for each and every one of our own actions, decisions.. Sadly in real life the devil often still comes to us giving us personaly with supposedly helpful advice, or he often sends someone else, to encourage each one of us to listen to bad advice, and to end up doing the wrong thing.. next with severe negative consequences.. the devil really wants to enslave us to sin, to others, to cause us to turn away from God.. if we give up our will and minds to others we will next personally go insane too..
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  Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.   John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
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John 14:27  Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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What ever you do do all to the glory of God, and do not do anything by yourself, but always  ask God as to what you needto do first.. otherwise what you do is still sin. True joy is not even found in a having a big house, or in a good job, having plenty of money or in marriage still, but your real joy, life  lies in  how real, effective your ongoing personal relationship is with Jesus Christ. …
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(Acts 2:2 KJV) And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.  
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God showed and give  us His precious Holy Spirit, He wants us to experience His fullness, He doesn’t want us to be a luke warm Church anymore. He has called me to tell you about His Spirit because many of you do not have the fullness of the Spirit and He wants you to have it. You must have it to experience Gods fullness for your life.
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  (Eph 5:18 KJV) And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
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When God talks about spiritual maturity now too he is not talking about any  old age retirement and going to his Church is not merely giving $20 every Sunday morning, and pretending to listen to the sermon, and then living your own life the rest of the week.. still not helping, or caring about the sick, hurting, afflicted persons home even in the local church.. not this is certainly not Christianity but rather this is the real Church is personaly being spirt filled and being a continual real part of Jesus Christ now body, his hands, his feet, his mouth the whole week too.
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(Psa 46:1 NIV)  God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble. (Psa 46:2 NIV) Therefore we will not fear, though the earth give way and the mountains fall into the heart of the sea, (Psa 46:3 NIV) though its waters roar and foam and the mountains quake with their surging. Selah (Psa 46:4 NIV) There is a river whose streams make glad the city of God, the holy place where the Most High dwells. (Psa 46:5 NIV) God is within her, she will not fall; God will help her at break of day.
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1 Cor 4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

Rom 14:23 : for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

1 Cor 8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

Rom 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. 2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. 3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. 5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

I too cannot but help but notice some very cold posts , those not written by the Holy Spirit. because they still do have a very cold presentation

 

We all do need to continually, firstly evaluate our own actions, motives.. For example a professing Businessman, self proclaimed evangelist who had just left a Christian Bookstore was hurriedly going down the street forcing Christian tracts upon others, as he approached me, I clearly told him he need to have love first for others.. next I told him he was preaching our of guilt and not compassion.. I asked him if some tragedy had recently occurred now as well in his own life? He replied that he got an unexpected very large request for taxation payment form the government that he was unable to pay. So I told him he falsely was trying to gain now God’s favour by bulling others and was not realy being led by God in his evangelistic tract distribution for if I “have not charity, it profiteth me nothing”

 

1 Cor 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way. 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, :5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. :8 Charity never faileth:

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1 Tim 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Only 1/12 of the original Apostles was bad. .The Apostles went from town to town and house to house casting out demons and collecting the ministry funds.,, only Judas was stealing it next.. the rest served God fully..It is also a small group of bad TV evangelist, bad pastors who give Christianity today a bad name today as well.. because many professing Christians falsely do nothing about it.. the ends do not justify the means…

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and the religious critics themselves now seem to be often as bad as Judas too so no one heeds to them too.. I too do rightfuly want to see love, truth personaly practised over merely preaching it to others, preaching the Gospel, the supposed truths is not an acceptable alternative firstly to living the holy Spiirt filled life for anyones too.

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2 Pet 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

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Mat 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! 8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9 And if thine eye offend

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Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

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(Gal 5:19 KJV) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law 24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

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GALATIANS 6:7,8 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

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I have FOR DECADES NOW met good functioning elders, PASTORS and bad ones as well..

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According to my reading of the scriptures the term Pastor is always plural, not singular, meaning there are now to be many pastors in any local church, and pastors also equally, mutually thus they do have to submit to the other also called, gifted elders, who are the apostles- missionaries and prophets- all appointed by God as his spokesman

– the NT Greek verb is continually present- meaning God now continues to give these men ( or women – such as Junia note worthy amongst the apostles) unto the church now as well , but today most evangelical pastors tend to deny the existence of these other God ordained, given offces even today, Bas pastors do this even firstly because they themselves are rebels, those persons who wrongfully refuse to submit to any other’s and always submission is mutal- meaning reciprocal.. and also do note this it is still voluntarily, unenforceable.. Dictatorial pastors, control freak pastors tend to be ungodly persons still and we do not have to follow after them at all. Yes they still exist too often in too many local churches.

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The Bible itself now is full of the positive and negative realties, warnings, for all persons now too. so is the news media.. as to the myth that posting any negative truths here now about God punishment of the wicked, or sinful Christians, clearly the devil has already posted, informed people of this elsewhere, and some merely are deceiving themselves that hiding such items works.

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Well as even detailed on my own sites now I have personally and rightfully asked now many bad Pastor in churches to repent, only 1/9 did sadly and so next i helped some of the unrepentant ones, founding pastors too, to get a job elsewhere. one out of the Church.. and so should we all.. God himself does not show partiality and is no respecter of persons. Judgment begins in the house of God. Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

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(Mat 4:17 KJV)  From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(Mark 1:15 KJV)  And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

(Mark 6:12 KJV)  And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

(Luke 13:3 KJV)  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

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2 Cor 13:5  Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

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I too often do see , read many Christians falsely telling the unbelivers as  how they personally should behave, but  that solely is God’s role, job to judge all those outside of the church we only have a right soley to judge professing Christian believers acts..

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Mat 7:1  Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. :3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? :5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.   1 Cor 5:9  I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10  Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

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Now also we are not to judge what is right for any Christian believer to eat..

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  Rom 14:1  Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2  For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3  Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4  Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5  One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7  For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8  For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s. 9  For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10  But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11  For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12  So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13  Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. 14  I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15  But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. :16  Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17  For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

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God’s love has many faces… Judg 17:6 but every man did that which was right in his own eyes. Psa 36:2 For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. 3 The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good. 4 He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil. Prov 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. Prov 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise. Prov 16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits. Prov 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts. Prov 21:4 An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin. Prov 21:6 The getting of treasures by a lying tongue is a vanity tossed to and fro of them that seek death. :7 The robbery of the wicked shall destroy them; because they refuse to do judgment. Prov 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness. 13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up. 14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men. Isa 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Psa 68:6 God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land.

God as a father loves us but he also does now punishes us when we refuse to rpent of our wirngs and wilfully continue in them, all for our good.. most rebellious persons cannot see that they are even being punished.. (Prov 27:5 KJV) Open rebuke is better than secret love. (Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.   Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. 12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; 13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; 16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. (2 Tim 2:9 KJV) Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.   James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. 26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.  .

It is not what we want do do, what we think we need to do it but only What God wants us to do that counts, for the NT God says he wants us Eph 5:18 but be filled with the Spirit; Eph 3:19 to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 2 Tim 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Also  here is a valid  Bible study you should do.. some perverse persons , bad pastors, dicators rather, a one man ministry it seems, try to  tell me i should obey them.. well all submission firstly is mutual and voluntary.. but why do they even want to be a king over us, a slave driver when Jesus christ is the head of the church, our king? because they want to fill their God vacum with a power trip? (Mat 6:33 KJV)  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.  (John 21:16 KJV)  He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
Jesus said to Peter too if you love me feed my sheep and God also had said should not the shepherds feed the sheep , not just feed themselves..  (Ezek 34:2 KJV)  Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?3  Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.  4  The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.  5  And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered. 6  My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.  7  Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; 8  As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; 9  Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; 10  Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. 11  For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. 12  As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. 13  And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14  I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. 15  I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. 16  I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment. 17  And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.  18  Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? 19  And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet. 20  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. 21  Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; 22  Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. 23  And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.  24  And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. 25  And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. 26  And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27  And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them. 28  And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid. 29  And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more. 30  Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD. 31  And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD. I often wonder as to why so many of  the shepherds are so proud and arrogant, about their supposedly high positions, for to be a shepherd generally does not take much education, it takes loving the sheep and is still mostly on the job training too by listening to the Master’s voice, Jesus Christ,

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Mutual, reversible accountability and mutual submission is an integral part of the New Testament church structure rather still and of all true churches today as well but not in reality and whay is that?

..(Eph 4:11 KJV)  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;  note the fact the office pastor is never a single reference too.. it is plural.. the local churche should have many many pastors..

It sadly seems that even in the Church today something have wrongfully not changed.. the pastors, elders, deacons are fighting for positions, recognition, and seem to have forgotten the flock..Let us all stop here and remember that anyone following the right Church structure and themselves not being Baptized and led now by the Holy Spirit is still a real waste of time. And without the real application of love any Church forrm, approach will still fail too.  New Testament scripture clearly still does not support a pyramidal one directional hierarchical structure of government in God’s Church. EPHESIANS 2:20 still does reminds us that the church of today as well is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone”. Sadly in the too often now man led, man organized, rather false hierarchical pyramidal church structure of many major denominations now too, such as the Christian Missionary Alliance and the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, the North American Baptist Church, and many others denominations too  and this preaching would never be allowed. If a person came into In a hierarchical church structure and he began preaching locally, even if he said God told him to do it, he  likely would not be allowed, and the person would be opposed, disfellowshipped . After all to some power is more importantce than the truth. Remember, when God spoke to Israel, a carnal people, they did not want God to speak directly with them. They asked that only  Moses to be a mediator. This is what the some bad churches are  now basically like. 1 Samuel 8 in the account of Israel asking Samuel for a human king. God’s response to their request was “Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them”(1 Samuel 8:7).  Such Dictatorial Pyramids Church structures are basically still pagan structures built by civilizations who neither knew nor worshipped the true God.. In the Church. Jesus Christ (God) is the living head of the Church. He expects us to look to him and to him alone and to follow Him. We are not to follow men. Since we have God’s Holy Spirit, we should not fall after the same example of disobedience that we read about in 1 Samuel 8 by asking God to give us a man to lead us. We should be content to follow God through his spirit.  In fact, we are warned not to follow men in Jeremiah 17:5. Here the Eternal says, “Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.” God does not require his children to have to trust men and what they tell us. That’s why he has given each one of us access to His Word. We have direct access to God. The scripture also says no man can serve two masters. Paul said, there is One Lord (Eph 4:5). Yet, in hierarchical systems, those on lower levels have more than one Lord, for they must answer to those who are above them in rank. Each rank exercises lordship over those under them. To operate successfully in such structures, each person learns to please the man above him in rank. But Paul said, “do I seek to please men? For if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ” (Galatians 1:10). You can’t be a servant of Christ and at the same time be required to follow the dictates of men. There is only one true head that we need to submit to and that head is Christ.  God “hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all” (Eph. 1:22-23). The Father “hath committed all judgment unto the Son: … And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man” (John 5:22-27). We don’t have to answer to men. We are not accountable to the dictates of men. For this reason Paul says, “… why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ” (Romans 14:10). The New Testament Church is a spirit-led church. It is not a human organization. It is a spiritual organism where the living head is Jesus Christ himself. Jesus said, “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:5). God uses the vine to typify organization of the Church. In God’s model, every member is a branch. Every member in the true church is connected directly to Christ with no intermediaries. By using the vine, Jesus showed us that God’s government does not take the form of a pyramid. He did not give us the idea that members are connected to him through a descending chain of command. The structure of the church is not a tree structure. It is a vine structure. Also do note that in Acts 2, where we read about the birth of the New Testament Church through the outpouring of God’s Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit was given directly by God to every single member present initially but next it was done by the laying on by the  hands of the elders on every single person?  http://pbulow.tripod.com/struct.html

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