The nomination of Republican vice President Sarah Palin had certainly sparked interest

 

 
Some persons wrongly try to advocate that Pentecostalism is a modern day religion that now is found solely in the United States originally whereas others do rightfully maintain rather it  is a revived New Testament form of Biblical Christianity. It is now a major world wide Charismatic branch of Christianity
 
There are various brands of Pentecostalism today but they all mostly tend to believe in similar aspects of their version of Christianity but not all. There is clearly one  false sect in this grouping now too.
The nomination of Republican vice President Sarah Plain has certainly sparked  interest world wide into the Pentecostal religion, and now many persons world wide as well as in the Americas do seek, do want to know seriously what is difference basically  about this Christian religion from the other existing differing Christian religions. 
 
The Christians now already  all supposedly believe in Jesus Christ as firstly being God, Jesus also being the promised Old testament Messiah as well, they the Christians they do all tend to believe in the existence also of the Holy Trinity too ,  where the personal Sprit of Christ, the Holy Spirit is also manifested as a separate personal entity who  carries  on the work of Jesus Christ ongoing in the genuine  Christian Believer’s personal life. It is estimated that only 30 percent of all Christian believers are genuine, actually practicing Christians  in the various Christian churches
 
And  all Christians tend to generally believe in the same Bible, the Old and New Testament  as being now the true revealed word of God to us all even about Jesus, the apostles, and the Christian church as well.
 
The Pentecostals tend to separately now believe that God speaks continually to each Christian  believer now as well personally, even outside of the Word of God, the Bible, by means of the Holy Spirit, and the Pentecostals tend to believe in the separate personal need of receiving the anointing, the Baptism of the  Holy spirit personally in one’s life , this now is clearly a separate experience from the experience of receiving one’s initial personal salvation, eternal life by faith in the innocent, sacrificial, shed blood of Jesus Christ.
 
The majority of the Pentecostals tend to believe in manifesting one of the the Charismatic gifts of the Holy spirit, often tongues , as evidence of now being personally baptized with the Holy spirit. .
 
They the Pentecostals do tend to  believe in the manifestations of the charismatic’s gifts of the Holy Spirit as being applicable today as well, whereas other Pentecostal limit it to solely speaking in tongues, and Pentecostals often do personally practice praying for personal, physical healing, even by the laying of hands on others, as well as the ministry of casting out demons out of individuals too.
  
Needless to say there are different versions by non Pentecostals about what a Pentecostal now are even, some lying and distorted too, depending on who you talk to as well.
The Pentecostals also do tend to believe in the local church being run by elders, apostles, prophets, bishops and not rather by a single one man ministry of a local Pastor.
 
Trinity, Tithing is mandatory in some Pentecostal churches and in other it is not.

 The Holy Spirit of God is the Spirit of God, fully divine.” That means that in every way He is equal with God the Father and God the Son. He possesses their attributes and character. He is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and holy. He is eternal, immutable, righteous, just and loving. And, as the third person of the Holy Trinity, He is a person. When Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit, say in John 14:26 for example He uses the masculine personal pronoun when He says, “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit – the Father will send Him in My name – will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you.”  The Holy Spirit is a unique person with the characteristics which define a person. Acts 5:3 tells us that it is possible to lie to Him and Acts 7:51 tells us it is possible to resist Him. And Acts 13:2 tells us that He speaks.

Jesus had said that without Him and his Holy Spirit you can do nothing.. nothing everlasting, or significant too. yet people falsely do try to redefine Jesus, Divorce the Holy Spirit or try to redefine the Holy Spirit with false doctrines, vanities still to day.

A very lively good church is led by the Holy Spirit and the  right, godly leaders.. and  in a very bad church   the shepherds are bad.. led mostly by the devil and self.  And believe me when I say most shepherds are bad still. Great demonic confusion surrounds thus the  Christian doctrine of the baptism of the Holy Spirit even among the Baptists, Evangelicals, Dispensationalists, even Jews  mainly because there are too many ignorant  fools who  try to teach, explain something they themselves have still have never personally experienced yet.

It would be one thing if Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Unitarian Jews, and Oneness Pentecostals all had similar religions, practices, and beliefs. But they do not. Their religions, practices, and beliefs ALL WILDLY DIVERGE. THE ONLY THING THAT THEY HAVE IN COMMON IS THAT THEY ALL USE THE SAME ARGUMENTS TO DENY TRINITY AND USE THE SAME LANGUAGE TO DESCRIBE THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN IT.

The Assembly of God Pentecostals do support the Trinity doctrine  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/assemblies-of-god-pentecostals/

TD Jakes has a huge ministry and a wide influence, but much of what he teaches is very troubling. Some of what he teaches is even heretical. .a Oneness Doctrine.  Oneness Pentecostalism (aka Jesus Only) resurfaced around 1913 just after the Azusa Street Pentecostal revival. It is itself another revival of what has been called Sabellianism (after Sabellius excommunicated 220 AD) and Modalistic (modes; ways) Monarchianism (one king). I can tell you assuredly that TD Jakes believes there is one God. We do as well. However, he believes God is a single (cognizant ego) person who showed (manifested) himself, and/or acted in three different ways (modes or dimensions).

That the Son was the Creator clearly disproves firstly the Oneness position.  If the Son did not eternally exist with the Father as a distinct Person why is it that the “Son” can say, “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had [eichon, or “shared”] with You before the  world  was” (emphasis added)?  How did the Son have (literally, actively possessed) glory with (para) the Father before time if the Son did not exist before Bethlehem?. John 1: 1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2    The same was in the beginning with God. 3    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4    In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5    And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not…  and this  all substantiates “the eternal pre-existence of the Son”.

The oldest available recorded Christian hymn, Hail, Gladdening Light!, which was being sung as early as 150 AD, is utterly Trinitarian! The church tradition generally holds that the Gospel of John and Revelation were the last books of the New Testament and that one or the other was written as late as 96 AD, as the beloved disciple apostle John lived an exceptionally long time. So this hymn was being sung than 60 years after the New Testament was completed and the apostle had John died. This doctrine was not an add on later.

Hail, gladdening Light, of his pure glory poured,
who is immortal Father, heavenly blest;
Holiest of Holies, Jesus Christ our Lord!

Now are we come to the sun’s hour of rest;
the lights of evening round us shine,
we hymn the Father, Son and Holy Spirit divine.

Worthiest art thou at all times to be sung,
with undefiled tongue,
Son of our God, Giver of life, alone!
Therefore in all the world thy glories, Lord, they own.

The Bible declares God the Father, called the Ancient of Days (see Daniel 7, especially verses 9, 13, and 22) to be King in various places. The Bible declares God the Son, called the Angel of the Lord in His preincarnate form (see Joshua 5:14-15, also Exodus 3:4-6 cross referenced with Exodus 3:2Acts 7:30Acts 7:35 ) and the Word of God (John 1:1-18, Proverb 8 especially verse 30) and Jesus Christ to be King. However, the Holy Spirit, called the Spirit of God the Father (Matthew 10:20Isaiah 61:1, Luke 4:18) and the Spirit of God the Son (Galatians 4:6, Romans 8:9, Isaiah 61:1Luke 4:18) is never declared to be King by scripture at any time.  How is this possible if you support a Oneness doctrine?

God is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit — three Persons, one God. Tertullian (160-215 AD) explained, “We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation… They are three, not in dignity, but in degree, not in substance but in form, not in power but in kind. They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit” (Adv. Prax. 23; PL 2.156-7

God does not need your money, he wants all of you rather.  Apostle Paul clearly made the decision to follow Jesus alone in all that he did, living by faith now too. Paul did not preach tithing at all.  Abraham was not a Jew so he did not tithe. The nation of Jews came at a later date and mandatory tithing only applied to Jews.

 
The Pentecostal  Church services tend to be vastly different, but not always, some churches are more active in participatory services of worshiping God in songs, tongues, and in prophecies and they also tend to have longer prayer services , and also longer, more diverse, less predictable  church services than many other supposedly Christian denominations.
 
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so who can we Judge?

 
>>It’s a shame there are Christians as judgmental as the display presented here, today. Jesus did tell us not to judge others, did He not?
 
and funny that itself was a judgment statement
 
I get a chuckle when so many so called Christians show their total Bible Ignorance.. they quote isolated verses neglecting the many other applicable verses.
 
God, Jesus, the Bible, the apostles said we basically are not to judge the non Christians in regard to their spirituality, or to judge other Christians in regard to their lack of observance of the old testament ritual laws now too, but we are to judge all of the professing Christians, to judge even as  the type of fruit they bear now too, whether they are keeping the ten commandments, are now really true to the faith.. and even to rebuke them, openly if they do not. But first actually read the Bible and see this for yourself..
 
(Luke 17:3 KJV) Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
(Phil 2:15 KJV) That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
(1 Tim 5:20 KJV) Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
(2 Tim 4:2 KJV) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
(Titus 1:13 KJV) This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
(Titus 2:15 KJV) These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
(Mat 5:25 KJV) Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
(Luke 12:57 KJV) Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?
(Luke 19:22 KJV) And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
(John 5:30 KJV) I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
(John 7:24 KJV) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
(John 8:15 KJV) Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
(John 8:16 KJV) And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
(John 12:47 KJV) And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
(John 12:48 KJV) He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
(Acts 10:42 KJV) And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
(1 Cor 5:12 KJV) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
(1 Cor 6:2 KJV) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
(1 Cor 6:3 KJV) Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
(1 Cor 6:4 KJV) If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
(1 Cor 6:5 KJV) I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
(1 Cor 10:15 KJV) I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
(1 Cor 11:31 KJV) For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
(1 Cor 14:29 KJV) Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
(Col 2:16 KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Rev 19:11 KJV) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
 
>> “CS Lewis was man like you and I, I believe he was right in some cases and wrong in other views, but in no way “no Christian” or a false prophet.”
 
and if any of us was judged now on everything we had said, done, we would all go to hell, and for sure be declared non Christians..
the true Christian lives by faith in God.. Did CS Lewis have faith in God that God would save him in spite of CS Lewis being imperfect, a sinner… the clear answer seems yes.
 
I find it so hypocritical that most of us know that pastors tend to be imperfect, but yet we falsely declare too often that if any so called christian  leader sins, now does one thing wrong he or she is immediately called a false prophet.. but  there is no man that does good and still sins not.. for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.. we all do have this treasure of God himself in us in the simple, sinful, earthen vessels still.
 
so who can we Judge?
 
Well we can judge ourselves firstly to see if we are still sound in the faith?
 
(1 Cor 9:27 KJV)  But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
 
let me also remind you that there is no verse in the Bible that says a politician, a ruler outside of the church, has to be even a Christian. A professing Christian, pastor, elder, evangelist ?  yes, he or she  still also has to practise what he preaches.
 
   
 >>I am having a hard time with this…there are some people who believe that a Christian can be possessed. I don’t understand how that would be possible since the Holy Spirit is living inside you… I believe there are lots of folks who have a “said” faith, and I believe because it is not a true faith they can be possessed by demons, but I don’t see how this could happen in someone with a true faith.
 
and some people will say they were never saved in the first place but EVER HEAR OF A DOG RETURNING TO IT’S VOMIT as opposed to once saved always saved? (2 Pet 2:22 KJV)  But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.CONTINUE TO LIVE LIKE A SINNER AND YOU FOR SURE NEXT  WILL GO TO HELL INSTEAD. EVEN BY YOUR OWN FREE WILL CHOICE.
 
Yes the Holy Spirit will do his part and we have to do our part which is to resist evil. RESIST THE DEVIL (James 4:7 KJV)  Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.(James 4:8 KJV)  Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.what a man sows he will reap still, saved or not..  (Gal 6:7 KJV)  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. (Gal 6:8 KJV)  For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
 

The betrayers of Jesus Christ,

  In our Christians Churches now  too many false persons have crept in lying, distorting the truths under the guise of free speech, helping others. These people with their hidden agendas they do not tell the whole truth, not about themselves for a start as well.

While there are many similar evidently aspects of the Pentecostals such as the main emphasis on not only Jesus, His salvation, forgiveness but also on the Holy Spirit, leading , gifts, empowering each local Church tends to differ, some seriously even depart from the faith in reality, have accepted falsehoods, lies, distortions into their midst, doctrines like many other denominations now too. I do deal with some of these issues too.

The devil, demons and demon seduced professing Christian persons falsely, wrongfully take false delight in slandering, abusing, bashing others, even the Pentecostal Christians and show the sad truth that they do not have any  real love for others. Net posters like Walter, Polycarp, BWT, others included now.

The Bible, New Testament, Jesus the apostles gives us clear warnings as to the characteristics of the type of persons who  even go out of their way to betray Jesus Christ, including even Judas one of the 12 apostles, the religious Jews, legalists and  Hypocrites, the Scribes and Pharisees such  as Saul , as well as materialistic oriented persons,  and sadly even the professing Christians like Apostle Peter. The betrayal of Jesus was wrongfully also next inflicted upon His Followers  including more  lies, slander, human rights violations, and it will go on today, unless someone opposes it, rightfully stands up against it.
 
 In case you did not notice it I do not accept any physical, verbal, mental, human rights abuses by anyone of anyone and I rightfully do instead demand their full, open exposure and public prosecution now as well and  no matter who they are, Prime Minister, Premier, MP, MNA, MLA, MPP, Doctors, lawyers, cops, pastors, etc.. Public exposure and prosecution of the major bad unrepentant persons serves every one’s best interest for if the evil persons are not punished, they now do not feel personal negative repercussions for their own bad acts towards others they for certainty will not stop their wrong doings still. In reality many persons too often need to be shepherded like the   goats, sheep, ostriches , bulls, and them now being overly assertive, aggressive is just as bad as being overly submissive, slave. or imbalanced, extreme,  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent..(Revelation 3:19 KJV)  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/abused-how-much-abuse-is-acceptable-none/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/real-actions-speak-louder-than-mere-words/

  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-pentecostal-movement/

 
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Satan on the loose

   
Revelation 20:1  And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2  And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3  And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.  4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7  And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
 
Satan is on the loose today, even in churches, on the net now too
  
 
 
 
what some fool would try to say that we  cannot judge what others say, do,  write still too?
 
 
see also

Disturbing Trend, Sensationalized Religious Postings, Bashings

 
Not the Whole truth, Not the Whole counsel  of God, A Disturbing Double Standard, the Ends do not justify the means, False logic, False approach, False,  CHURCH WARNINGS – False healing,   Demonic Ministry, Fraud , False Teacher , Demon  Possessed,  False Prophet, Outrageous  , Highly Inaccurate ,  Dangerous, Control Freaks, Abusers, Liars, SEDUCERS, SATAN FOLLOWERS, Distorters, Deceivers, Trouble Makers, Warned       

 
(Mark 13:12 KJV)  Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.  
    
(Luke 17:3 KJV)  Take heed to yourselves:
 

(Mat 7:3 KJV)  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
 
Matthew 18: 15 If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
  
UNDER WHATEVER GUISE ,  EXCUSE, FALSE JUSTIFICATIONS NOW TOO, THE WAY MANY FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELICAL AND SUPPOSEDLY PROFESSING CHRISTIAN CRITICS  TRY TO MAKE FUN AT OTHER CHRISTIANS ON THE NET, IN CHURCHES TOO  IS SICKENING, A VERY POOR THEOLOGY AND IS SADLY NOW ALSO TYPICAL OF THE MUCH TOO OFTEN FALSE BULLYING, BASHING OF THE OTHERS, OF THE CATHOLICS, THE PENTECOSTALS  TOO!
  
 It clearly makes me know that Satan himself is behind most of it still too and is ALL typical the acts of ungoldy persons themslves now..

If your brother sins against you go to your brother alone. But firstly in prayer to God, all done in  in love, in Meekness, humbleness, and NOT RATHER YOU trying to increase your internet rating, readership by making sinful sensationalized postings which itself is still hypocritical.. Especially when not all the supposedly objectionable replies to the sites now are even allowed to be posted as well

 
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/thou-considerest-not-the-beam-that-is-in-thine-own-eye/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/unbelievable-the-internet-control-freaks-false-spin-doctors/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/fundamental-evangelical-and-supposedly-professing-christian-critics/   

 

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/disturbing-trend-sensationalized-religious-postings/