Are you JW for real?


Hidden agendas, the world is full of it, many people have hidden agendas. some not too well hidden even. Sadly some people they tend present their own “facts,” but fall short in truthfulness for they tend to falsely have a hidden agenda, one of which is that often they want to get rich, and /or live in the kingdom of self, to be falsely personally worshipped and still live in sin too.  

Jehovah’s witnesses are very strongly cultic in both doctrine and behaviour, thus fitting both categories of false doctrine and mind control.  They believe that all true Christian churches are of the devil.

They believe Jesus is not God, but is the Archangel Michael – the first being created by God.

They deny that God is a Trinity.

They believe Jesus died on a stake, rather than a cross.

They deny that Jesus rose bodily from the dead.

They believe that ony 144,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses will go to heaven. The rest will live forever in a paradise on Earth, never meeting the person who died for them – Jesus Christ.

They believe that salvation is impossible outside of the Watchtower.

They are not allowed to question the Watchtower leadership or teaching.

They claim you need to read the Watchtower’s magazines and other material in order to understand the Bible correctly. If you don’t read the Watchtower’s books, you will “fall into darkness” – what they call reverting to normal Christianity.

They have falsely predicted the end of the world five times.

They have just changed a major Watchtower prediction that the end of the world would come before the generation of Witnesses born before 1914 died. They are encouraged to visit homes for at least 10 hours per month distributing Watchtower materials.

They use their own special translation of the Bible which mistranslates the original texts.

They are well known to disown, shun, and ignore any friends and family leaving the cult.

They discourage tertiary education.

They are not allowed to be in the army or wear crosses.

They are not allowed to celebrate birthdays.

They are not allowed to celebrate Christmas – the date we celebrate the birthday of Jesus Christ.

JW are known liars in their false Bible translations. They lie and claim  the original Hebrew New Testament existed.. with no proof..

They claim that there was a Hebrew original of the gospel of Matthew is a myth..

1.The best and only argument JW’s can come up with for inserting Jehovah into the New Testament is that the gospel of Matthew, unlike the other 26 books of the New Testament, was written in Hebrew.

2.Even if Matthew was written originally in Hebrew, it would still mean Jehovah’s Witnesses change the other 26 New Testament books that were originally written in Greek. But with brazen deception they think if the Holy Spirit wrote one NT book in Hebrew that contained YHWH, this justifies changing the Holy Spirit’s choice of not using YHWH, but LORD, in the other 26 books.
3.But the most important fact to note, is that Jehovah’s Witnesses admit that the other 26 books of the New Testament were written in Greek where the Hebrew “YHWH” would not be used. It is one thing to falsely argue that Matthew was written in Hebrew, then later corrupted when translated into Greek by removing YHWH, but quite another to explain why YHWH is never found in the other 26 New Testament books. You see, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe the entire New Testament has been corrupted.
4.Anyone who has studied the writings of the “Apostolic Fathers” knows that they are quite unreliable. It is most likely that they thought a Hebrew translation of the original Greek text of Matthew into Hebrew was the original. They were mistaken.
5.It is also possible that Matthew produced both a Hebrew and a Greek Original, except for the fact that we have no textual manuscript evidence in the way of ancient fragments to support a Hebrew original of Matthew. The fact remains that there is absolutely no evidence of a Hebrew Matthew.
6.There has never been found any copies of a Hebrew Matthew, all were written in Greek, just like the other 26 books.
7.In fact of the 5000 oldest manuscripts of the Bible NONE use YHWH in the New Testament. So JW’s are found to be liars.
8.JW’s argue that the text of the Bible as we have it is corrupted and that it did originally contain YHWH, at least in Matthew, but it was removed. This is entirely different than saying Bible’s mistranslate the Greek underneath, because in this case, it is missing from the Greek.
9.If JWs can argue that YHWH was lost from the original, then Christians can argue the word “trinity” was originally used in the Bible, but lost. When JW’s argue that Trinity is never used in the Bible, we can equally argue that YHWH was never used in the New Testament. Of course this kind of simple logic is too much for the average JW to comprehend and they will argue in one breath that YHWH was lost from the Greek, then in the other breath say it is adding to the word of God if someone insists the word trinity is found in the Bible. (note: Trinity was never used in the Bible, but the argument is used for hypothetical reasons only. Go to our trinity in the Bible section for more details.)
10.Isn’t that convenient! They say that YHWH was originally in the Bible, but it was removed… but we have no evidence it was removed. They say Matthew was written in Hebrew… but there is no evidence it was ever written in Hebrew.

Some say that it is believed by most scholars that at the time of Jesus on earth Scholars they frequently had access to a Hebrew Bible and even consulted it??? .. who believes that???? Prove it…
As many falsely do fail to admit that the Romans had forbidden the Hebrew language to be used, so they also had burned , destroyed all the Hebrew, Jewish, books, libraries too.. and even in the synagogues where they used the Greek old testament.. the last 300 years before Jesus too..
Yes Josephus a Roman Historian was a Jewish person who changed his Hebrew name to a Roman name too.
For those of you who have become fascinated by — or perhaps deceived would be a better word for it — the idea of trying to discover if you have any Jewish or Hebrew roots of Jesus, the New testament.. no one can prov…e what it is.. there are less than 3 books from the time of Christ available about Jesus, and the JW plus the Jewish Messianic Parrots are still some of the Biggest liars  There is really no need for anyone to try to impress me with how pro-Israel Jesus once was.. He is no longer pro Jewish, Pro Israel..
So now even I really don’t care about the subject of Jews.. and their Hebrew language… because I am not Jewish. I am a New Testament Christian who strives to follow the pattern of the First Century Church. 
It can be generally agreed that the historical Jesus primarily spoke Greek perhaps along with some Hebrew and Aramaic (although there is some debate as to the degree. The towns of Nazareth and Capernaum, where Jesus lived, Greek was widely spoken as in the major cities of the Eastern Mediterranean such as Antioch and Alexandria. Jesus may have also known enough Hebrew to discuss the Hebrew Bible, and he may have known Koine Greek a common language of the Eastern Mediterranean after the Macedonian-Greek (331 BC) and Roman (63 BC) invasions. Indeed, Most of the apostles from the Galilee region also spoke Greek . SO THE HEBREW LANGUAGE AT THE TIME OF JESUS FOR ALL PURPOSES DIDN’T EXIST? It is a documented fact that when the Ten Tribes of Joseph, known as “Israel or Ephraim,” were taken into “captivity” in c.800 BCE by Assyria, they ceased to exist as a separate people because they lost their use of their Aramaic/Hebrew language and their sense of Israelite tribal identity.
The Tetragrammaton (Greek: τετραγραμματον, “four letters”) is the quadriliteral, typically unvocalized, Hebrew theonym יהוה identifying the God of Israel throughout the Hebrew Bible, composed of the Hebrew letters yodh he waw he, written Right-to-left in Hebrew, and transliterated YHWH or YHVH in English. It occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Text critical editions of the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia.

The Tetragrammaton does not occur in any extant Greek manuscripts of the New Testament.
Extant Greek New Testament manuscripts contain the Greek word Kyrios (Lord) in Old Testament quotes where the Hebrew has the Tetragrammaton. Note the New Testament uses Greek kyrios for YHWH even, for example, when Christ reads the Isaiah scroll at the synagogue in Nazareth (Luke 4:17–19 reading Isaiah 61:1). The Watchtower  false reasons that the word Jehovah was originally in the New Testament, but removed without trace. This undermines the integrity of the entire Bible, as if such a significant word has been changed, what else is wrong? On the other hand, if “Jehovah” did not appear in the New Testament, the meaning of key New World Translation Scriptures change.
The fundamental flaw of the NWT is this insertion of the word Jehovah 237 times into the New Testament. There is no proof whatsoever to support this claim, as not a single ancient New Testament document has been found with YHWH in it. Several available manuscripts date back to this period. P47 dates prior to 300 A.D. and contains four uses of Kyrios from Revelation that the NWT translates as Jehovah. P66 dates from around 200 A.D. from John (written in 98 A.D) and contains five occurrences of Lord that appear in the NWT as Jehovah. Some manuscripts go back to within 25 years of John’s writings, yet none contains YHWH. 
There is much evidence that YHWH never appeared in the New Testament. Most obvious is the absence of YHWH in any of the 5,000 discovered Greek New Testament manuscripts. When adding the word Jehovah to the New Testament the Watchtower  lies . This is a serious misrepresentation of scripture. Doctrine should be formed by scripture; scripture should not be changed to support doctrine. Inaccurately inserting the word Jehovah into the New Testament changes the meaning of Jesus message to his followers in a number of ways.

One important affect is that the Watchtower attempts to use the word Jehovah to falsely prove that only Jehovah’s Witnesses will be saved. it is very clear that;
-Jesus is the name borne witness to.
Acts 9:15 “But the Lord said to him: “Be on your way, because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel.”
Acts 1:8 “YOU will be witnesses of me (Jesus) both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de´a and Sa·mar´i·a and to the most distant part of the earth.”
-Jesus is the name used to expel demons.
Mark 9:38-39 “John said to him: “Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us.” But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me;”
-Jesus is the subject of the kingdom good news.
Galatians 1:7 “But it is not another; only there are certain ones who are causing YOU trouble and wanting to pervert the good news about the Christ.”
-Jesus name invokes persecution, yet Jehovah’s Witnesses claim their persecution in the Name of Jehovah fulfills prophecy.
Matthew 24:9 “Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name.”
-Jesus name alone is the means of salvation.
Acts 4:10-12 “… let it be known to all of YOU and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ the Naz‧a‧rene′, whom YOU impaled but whom God raised up from the dead, by this one does this man stand here sound in front of YOU. This is ‘the stone that was treated by YOU builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.””

As their name implies, Jehovah’s Witnesses predominant focus is on preaching about Jehovah whilst the message of the New Testament was to be witnesses of Jesus.
The false  huge emphasis of the Watchtower on the name Jehovah detracts from the constant New Testament message of the Christ. Even when quoting scriptures such as Acts 4 the Watchtower manages to deflect attention from Jesus to Jehovah.

Falsely inserting Jehovah into the New Testament is an unacceptable Bible  manipulation   The effect is an inaccurate understanding of what Jesus taught. How did Jesus instruct the disciples to refer to God? Jesus repeatedly instructed his followers to address God as our Lord or our Heavenly Father (Mt 6:8-18, 7:21, Mk 14:36) and this is the way Jesus followers refer to God if they wish to follow Jesus example. In the Lord’s Prayer Jesus said to pray “Our Father in the heavens”.
Jehovah’s Witnesses falsely claim that bibles remove YHWH (Tetragrammaton) from the Old Testament. The truth is, they have added the divine name in the New Testament where it is never found in the original Greek manuscripts, and blamed the Bible as being corrupted from the original where YHWH was once found. Rather than trashing their false doctrine, they trash the Bible!

What happens, then, when a writer of the New Testament quotes passages from the Old Testament in which the Tetragrammaton appears? In these instances, most translators use the word “Lord” rather than God’s personal name. The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures does not follow this common practice. It uses the name Jehovah 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures, or New Testament. Jehovah’s name appears thousands of times in the Hebrew Scriptures. Bravo. However, There are over 5,000 Greek manuscript copies that we have in our possession today that make up our New Testament. *None* of them have the name of Jehovah in them, yet the NWT translators took it upon themselves to add it to their Bible over 230 times without any Biblical merit to do so. ‘ There are no real  Biblical scholars that favor the name of Jehovah being in the NT. Even the Watchtower itself admits the name never appears in the Greek. By means of Watchtower publications, Russell initially directed his adherents to be considered followers of Jesus. It was only later, under the leadership of Rutherford, that attention was  falsely shifted to Jehovah. The term “Jehovah’s Witnesses” was not adopted until 1931. Although the word Jehovah defines the Watchtower Organization in its current form, the significance of the use of the Name and the name Jehovah’s Witness was not introduced until over 50 years after the formation of the Watchtower Society.  Falsely inserting Jehovah into the New Testament is an unacceptable Bible  manipulation   The effect is an inaccurate understanding of what Jesus taught. How did Jesus instruct the disciples to refer to God? Jesus repeatedly instructed his followers to address God as our Lord or our Heavenly Father (Mt 6:8-18, 7:21, Mk 14:36) and this is the way Jesus followers refer to God if they wish to follow Jesus example. In the Lord’s Prayer Jesus said to pray “Our Father in the heavens”.

The internet is full of people with false, hidden agendas, liars,,, who have all kind of false motives for their false teachings..  JW Yeah your topic.. is sucker bait to reach people.. you are not a real Christian  so what are you teaching…

A) you say that “I profess my faith in the living God” – who? Jesus Christ.. who was God form the foundation of the world, a part of the trinity?

B )  or the Jesus who became a god?

 C) and there is no trinity?

D) Do you also now believe that all the gifts of the Holy Spirit still exists even today?

E) that the Holy Spirit is God, a person, is part of the trinity? Like real Christians do…

F) and do you believe this John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. ( Jesus was not a god but the God)..

Well? I am waiting  for your replies.. not your false diversions, lies, slanders

“I will just  just say a prayer for you.” Dream on .. 

God does not hear the prayer of an Ungodly  persons  and their  love of me is also  impossible cause they  do not have the love of the Holy Spirit..

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Timothy 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

(1 Cor 5:12 KJV) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

(1 Cor 6:2 KJV) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

1 Cor 6:5 KJV) I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

(1 Cor 10:15 KJV) I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.

(1 Cor 14:29 KJV) Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

JW teach crap.. not the real Jesus  It is always evident that the mostly still liars, people claiming to be good persons, who try to enforce the one way rules on others, those even they do not practice, are still just liars and hypocrites.. and of course they do not want you to judge them, to know and expose this to any others.. But a person is known by the company they keep.. One having  bad company leads to one going to hell too.. tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are now.. a person is also know by what he does, and the values he or she have.. some people have bad values, some people falsely go extreme with good values..

Now real Biblical repentance evident and it includes s admitting one sins to God, stopping and consciously turning away from them, turning back toward God,  and personally accepting Jesus Christ finished work, forgiveness for them. True repentance is confession, contrition,   change; replacement and it involves the whole person, Our Body, Soul, Spirit. It is also  a personal, ongoing event. It is visible to all now too..

(Rev 18:4 KJV)  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (Rev 18:5 KJV)  For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Mat 7:16  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven..

Eph 5:11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. “

But who am I to say? I’m not his judge”???

If you yourself now cannot judge what people are like so how can you see the devil then too?

You yourself are not Holy Spirit filled even then.. one needs to deal with that firstly.. Of course the devil does not want you to have the gift of discernments  of Spirits.. if the devil cannot get at you personally he will next come to you directly in the form of a bother, sister even, a person.. (2 Cor 2:11 KJV)  Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

There is no such thing as living in a world in which individuals are not being judged by others for the actions that they take or what they say. Making a statement such as, “you cannot judge me”, is ludicrous.  A Christian person still can judge another Christian’s individual’s behavior or actions, writings, speech

The following is a list of twenty-two cult characteristics that will enable anyone to determine in five minutes what is and isn’t a cult.

•If the leader or leaders write their own material and claim that it is from God or “inspired by God” or “from the mouth of God” then they are a cult.

•If the leadership tells you that you can’t read anything written by any other church or religion and only can read what they write then it is a cult.

•If you are forbidden to speak to or read anything written by someone who has left the group for reasons of conscience or belief then it is most definitely a cult.

•If the leadership has to write its own version of the Bible and call it “improved” or “more accurate” and the use of that “translation” is unique to that religion then it is most definitely a cult.

•If personal choice and independent thought is considered to be “evil” then it is most definitely a cult.

•If asking difficult questions is discouraged then it is most definitely a cult.

•If, when finding a particular question difficult or impossible to answer you are told to just “have faith” or “wait on the Lord” then you are probably in a cult.

•If it is forbidden to disagree either privately or openly with the leadership on any point then it is most definitely a cult.

•If you are encouraged to sever ties with anyone not affiliated with your religion then it is most definitely a cult.

•If the group actively solicits membership it is probably a cult.

•If an interested person is only given enough information to pique their interest but not enough information to scare them away then it is most definitely a cult.

•If you are told to teach just “the good stuff” during the initial phase of a person “studying” with you then you are most definitely in a cult.

•If there are aspects of your teaching that are purposely kept hidden until the student is very far along in the indoctrination process then you are most definitely in a cult.

•If the members are instructed to be especially nice to new visitors then it is probably a cult.

•If the leadership teaches that they are the only ones with “the truth” and that everyone else is deceived then you are in a cult.

•If the members are encouraged to turn other members in for infractions then it is 100% most definitely a cult.

•If you are given a litany of rules and regulations to follow then you are most definitely in a cult.

•If your schedule is booked with group activities to the point that you have little or no time to yourself then you are most definitely in a cult.

•If you are told to have little or nothing to do with anyone, including close friends and family members, who choose to leave the group, then you are most definitely in a cult.

•If your leadership is nameless, mysterious, aloof, unapproachable, unaccountable or otherwise “nebulous” then you are most definitely in a cult.

•If your leadership doesn’t have to report their income to you or the government then you are most definitely in a cult.

•If higher education is considered evil and strongly discouraged by the leadership then you are most definitely in a cult.

How many of the above characteristics hit your religion? If it was more than five then you are probably in danger of being in a cult.

If you answered yes to ten or more than you are most definitely in a mind control cult.

Jews and their own need of Salvation by Jesus Christ still too

All Israel Shall Be Saved?

by Steve Wohlberg

Romans 11:26 says, “And so all Israel will be saved.” What does this mean?

Obviously, it doesn’t mean every Jew will be saved. In fact, the same chapter says God hopes to “save some of them” (vs. 14). Judas was a Jew, yet we know he will be lost for betraying Christ. Jesus called him, “the son of perdition” (John 17:12). Jesus told many Jews, “If you do not believe I am He [the Messiah], you will die in your sins” (John 8:24). Not every Jew believes in Jesus Christ, thus many will “die in their sins” and be lost.

Many Christians today interpret Romans 11:26 as applying to the end of the seven-year tribulation when Jesus appears in the clouds at His Second Coming. In other words, they don’t apply the verse to all Jews throughout history, but only to “all Jews” who are alive at the end. Supposedly, at the end of the tribulation, all remaining Jews in Israel will look up, see Christ coming in the clouds, realize He is the true Messiah, believe in Him, and thus “All Israel will be saved.”

This is a false teaching, as I will attempt to show.

  1. First, the context of Romans 11 is not the Second Coming.
  2. “There is no partiality with God” (Romans 2:5-11). It would be an act of partiality to save “all Jews” at the end, but not “all Jews” in history. The idea is, “When all final Jews see Christ coming in the clouds, then they will believe.” But this would give those final Jews a supposedly irresistible opportunity to believe in Jesus Christ which past Jews have not had. Nor would this be fair to “all Gentiles” living at the end. Why would God save all Jews at the end but not all Gentiles? All Gentiles will see Jesus coming just like all Jews.
  3. When Christ finally appears in the clouds, IT’S TOO LATE TO BELIEVE IN HIM. Rev. 22:11,12 says that before He comes in the clouds, all decisions have already been made. Jesus said it will be like Noah’s day (Mat. 24:37-39). In Noah’s day the door of the ark closed before the flood came (Gen. 7:16). When the flood came, it was too late. To save all Jews AT THE SECOND COMING would be like saving all those outside the ark WHEN THE RAIN STARTED FALLING.
  4. When Jesus comes in the clouds, this is the time of judgment upon ALL unbelievers who don’t know God nor obey the gospel (2 Thess. 1:7-10; Jude 14,15).

So what does this mean, “All Israel shall be saved”? First of all, Romans 9:6 says there are two Israels. one is an Israel according to the flesh (Romans 9:3,4) and the other is the Israel of God (Galatians 6:14-16). The Israel of God is composed of both Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:29). Gentiles who believe are grafted in. They become part of the “same body” with believing Jews (Eph. 3:6). Paul calls this unity of believing Jews and Gentiles, “the mystery of Christ” (Eph. 3:4).

The immediate context of Romans 11:26 is vs. 25. When “the fullness of the Gentiles has come in,” then “all Israel will be saved.” Or, to be exact, “And so all Israel will be saved.” In other words, the coming in of the fullness or total number of the Gentiles results in “all Israel” being saved. Paul’s idea seems to be that when all Gentiles (totally, throughout history) have come in, that is, have been grafted into the Vine, they, uniting with all Jews who have become believers, will form the total number of the saved. Paul also reveals that when Gentiles come in, God can use this to motivate some Jews to believe (verses 11 & 14). Vs. 25 calls this whole thing, “this mystery,” which we have already proven to be the “mystery” of both Jews and Gentiles being united in one body through Christ (Eph. 3:4,6). Vs. 27 says all are saved because Christ takes away their sins through His covenant, which must be the New Covenant, which applies to all believers, Jew and Gentile. Thus the “all Israel” that is saved is the total group of believing Gentiles and Jews combined.

The “all Israel that is saved” does not apply to all Jews throughout history, nor can it apply to a select favored group who become instant believers when Jesus Christ comes crashing down through the sky. By that time, it is too late to believe.

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God can speak to us today in many ways? Are you listening?

Too many false persons try to define God solely based on their own small world  limited personal experiences, knowledge, and if it now especially did not happen to them it cannot happen to anyone else, it is not a true, valid experience… This is particularly true when we talk about spiritual things, spiritual growth, things like Prayer, Healing, Spiritual gifts, the Bible, Hearing God Speak, Church Operations, the Holy Spirit. Dream on!!  Many also tend to  too often have eyes on men and what they say theses days too and not on God, and what he says
“You are not to go to the left or to the right unless you hear a voice ( of the Holy Spirt) saying this is the way walk there in”.. Many of us have not learned as to how to hear this voice
God leads us in many ways, through his word, through people, but God will confirm his will for us still too. I have had often had to learn spiritual truths the hard way, by trying to do my own thing and failing at it, and Jesus reminding me that I could do nothing without him. Now I pray before I do anything and I await his instructions, if God does not lead me, or tells me not to do something, I tend not to do it. I had bought a pair summer shorts recently and I wanted to get matching T-shirt to it too.. I had tried a few stores but was unable to get the matching color that I had wanted. So I prayed about it and God told me not to look for it. I have learned he will deal with it his way and in his time. So I went along with my normal agendas. I had to go the drug store to get my medicine renewed so I did so. I was surprised to find the matching T-shirt, in the color I had wanted on sale at half price too in the drug store. After I pray I have come to learn to expect God will answer the prayer, I do not have to do it in my own strength. 


You cannot falsely limit God to speak solely by the word of God the Bible.. but always you can confirm all God says to you by the Bible.. any new or personal revelations will not contradict the Bible for sure,


The people who also tell us to use only the Bible to hear God often still lie further to us.. they often also ask us also to use men’s commentaries, instead of the Holy Spirit to next interpret the Bible.

(Eph 4:18 KJV)  Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
When we become born from above , Holy Spirit filled Christians the Lord  Our God still always wants us to enjoy His fellowship, friendship and for us all to learn of him through the finished work of Jesus Christ on the Cross on our behalf.  This relationship is similar  to that of  two close friends who are very close to each other are able to openly  share with each other.To be able to do this fully, effectively  we all must personally learn how to speak to Him freely and also to  be able to hear His voice clearly every day even above our own voice, the voice of the devil and his followers, the world.. We can pray that God will shut our the other voices, and we can tell the devil to shut up as well. We must now also be fully, solely led by Him, God even daily  in every detail of our life. Thus we need to daily pray to God to reveal his will for us as well as to pray he God will help us next to do his will  day by day, preferably in the mornings too..  as we spend our quiet time in the Bible prayerfully we will find God,  Lord Jesus Christ and his Holy Spirit  speaking further  to us from His word, and showing us many new  things, which are hidden from the world.
When you talk about what the Word, or the  Scriptures say you also now honestly should mean how you alone now do interpret what the Word, the Bible, the scripture says.. as  too many of us read different things out of the same scriptures as we all do know firstly..  so who is right? Sadly too many Evangelical Fundamentalism replaces the worship of God , the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the sole worship of the Bible, bypassing the works of the Holy Spirit it seems, though most Fundamentalists will deny that. Liberalism, too, replaces the worship of God, and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the worship of something else. In the case of Liberalism, however, the worship of God was replaced by the worship of mere human reason , and both groups are not that far apart, for they are are in error.
Fundamentalists  and Liberals too need to learn the truth of 2 Corinthians 3:6, “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” They need to seek God in SPIRIT and in Truth. Liberals need to learn the truth of John 4:23 (quoted above) and of John 6:63, “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit  and they are life.” They need to seek God in Spirit and in TRUTH.; Evangelical Fundamentalism replaces the worship of God , the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the sole worship of the Bible, bypassing the works of the Holy Spirit it seems, though most Fundamentalists will deny that. Liberalism, too, replaces the worship of God, and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the worship of something else. In the case of Liberalism, however, the worship of God was replaced by the worship of mere human reason , and both groups are not that far apart, for they are are in error Fundamentalists tend to worship every word and letter in the Bible. Actually, they worship their own private interpretation of scripture (compare 2 Peter 1:20). This is the same error that the Pharisees fell into. They ended up worshiping Torah more than God, and, even more than Torah loving Jews, who also had worshiped their own interpretations (and the interpretations of the elders) of Torah. (They still do so today, only now they have codified those traditions into the Talmud.) Likewise, so do Fundamentalists worship their own interpretation of Scripture. In both cases, too often “they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.” (Romans 1:25).
“ Any religious system or leader that tells people exactly what to think and does not share with them their own struggles, imperfections and spiritual journey is a system or leader that is not to be trusted. None of us have all the answers; none of us grasp all of the concepts required to know God fully. Fundamentalism wants to white-wash over these struggles and instead drive home conformity. Within conformity comes control, and control means power. A system of belief that cares so little for affairs of the heart, as well as questions of the mind, is a system of belief that is not worth having. “
Likewise, when Liberal scholars claim that Peter did not write Second Peter or that Paul did not write Ephesians, for instance, they are worshiping their own minds, instead of worshiping God. We know that “all scripture is inspired by God” (2 Timothy 3:16). We know that God is not a liar (Titus 1:2). Not being a liar, God cannot be responsible for inspiring lies.
We too often have eyes on men and what they say theses days too not on God, and what he says. What God is doing today is calling people out of the world for His name. Whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts they need something that they don’t have and they turn to the only light they have and I think they’re saved ( what he means is that they will be eventually saved???) and they’re going to be with us in heaven.” Even  Dr. Billy Graham made several statements that simply cannot be reconciled with the basic message of salvation through Jesus Christ that he has preached his entire life. Mr. Graham has faithfully and clearly preached the Gospel for over 50 years, and since the interview he has reaffirmed his belief in Christ as the only way of salvation? For all Jews now as well? 
 Amazing I post my messages on my professing Christian sites and some of them delete them.. Why? they have a hidden agenda of their own, they are not interested in honestly sharing true Christianity now.
Secondly man has a free will, you cannot cast demons out of a person now if you do not believe they have them, or refuse to believe they have them even as a professing Christian.. King Saul and Apostle Judas clearly were once both anointed once, but were next demon possessed. demon controlled, however you want to play on the words, they next certainly were not Holy Spirit led… the foolish virgins of the New Testament also originally had the anointing now too.. but ran out of it.. So did Judas
A simple prayer I use when a person is demon possessed and is willing to have us deliver him.. for you cannot still help tohise who do not want to be helped.. and the prayer is this-  Father In Jesus name I agree and confess with the sins of this my brother, or sister, and I do now ask you in Jesus name to bind the demons and to cast any, all of them out as well. In Jesus name Satan and all your cohorts I now do demand that you now leave this body and not return again.  

It works great too, for If you do not bind them they will start to talk back to you, argue with you, manifest themselves some more.. for in realty no matter who you are, you always have a free will,  an ability to choose whom you will serve, or who will control you now Christian or not even till the day you die.. we  are not puppets or involuntary slaves, but free, with a free will.

So you too do chose whether you want to be Holy Spirit led, filled or not daily as well… and you can freely next choose to go to Hell again too.
When people attempt to subjectively add to that word, by saying God said this or God told me that, they may be in danger of becoming false prophets? So are also many of the people who deny that God had spoken to the others.. all as simple as that too.. Just cause God chose not to speak to you  outside of the Bible today does not mean he God does not speak to others still too. Or maybe you are not humbly listening, doing your own thing still too..  if so you really will never know God fully.
 (1 Sam 3:9 KJV)  Therefore Eli said unto Samuel, Go, lie down: and it shall be, if he call thee, that thou shalt say, Speak, LORD; for thy servant heareth. So Samuel went and lay down in his place. 10  And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth.
(Exo 33:11 KJV)  And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. 
(Num 12:6 KJV)  And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. 7  My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. 8  With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
(Eph 4:11 KJV)  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
We walk by faith and not by sight quoted here is taken now out of full context..  faith here is distorted to mean  even trusting now what a mere human now tells us is the supposed truth over the Bible..  and it  excludes other Bible verses like my sheep hear my voice and follow me, you shall not go to the left or the right unless you hear a voice behind you saying walk there in, and greater miracles shall you also do next cause I go to my Father..
Faith comes by hearing the word of God, in the
Bible or elsewhere too and not hearing   mere men.. thus when I see shallow arguments  of anyone still limiting today as to what God can do, even through
us,  it makes me rightfully also think how shallow their Christian faith now really is.. they are still babies in the Lord and need someone to teach them the whole truth, the whole , full gospel too, for my God an do anything, Jesus is  the same , yesterday, today and forever.  According to your faith it shall be for you as
well, and you might like the foolish virgins be left behind..  As you too do chose  whether you want to be
Holy Spirit led, filled or not daily as  well… and you can freely next choose to  go to Hell again too.
In truth also , only one of the seven Churches in Rev 2-3, Philadelphia, is promised the open door of the rapture. so what about the other 6 types of churches
(Mat 24:34 KJV)  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.35  Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37  But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38  For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39  And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40  Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41  Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.  43  But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44  Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45  Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46  Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47  Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48  But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49  And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;  50  The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51  And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
What’s wrong with Predictions About the End of the World such as those by Hal Lindsey  and the Dispensationalist dilemma Matthew 24:34    “What generation?  Obviously, in context, the generation that would see the signs — chief among them the rebirth of Israel.  A generation in the Bible is something like forty years.  If this is a correct deduction, then within forty years or so of 1948, all these things could take place.  Many scholars who have studied Bible prophecy all their lives believe that this is so.” (The Late Great Planet Earth, p. 54) “Jesus said “this generation shall not pass, till all these things come to pass.” What generation ? The generation that would see all these signs. We are that generation! I believe you cannot miss it. We’re that generation, and I believe we’re rapidly moving toward the coming of Christ.” (Apocalypse Planet Earth videotape, 1990, HLM)  ” ‘if’ a generation was forty years and ‘if’ the generation of the ‘fig tree’ (Matthew 24:32-34) started with the foundation of the state of Israel, then Jesus ‘might come back by 1988.’ But I put a lot of ifs and maybes in because I knew that no one could be absolutely certain.” (”We are the generation that will see the end times… and the return of Jesus.” (The 1980’s: Countdown to Armageddon (New York, Bantam, 1980), back cover. ” (The Late Great Planet Earth [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1970], p. 145). “The decade of the 1980’s could very well be the last decade of history as we know it.” (The 1980’s: Countdown to Armageddon, p. 8 (emphasis is his); cf. pp. 12, 15.) 
But what is also astonishing is how many of these supposedly valid Bible teachers of the end time prophecies rarely still do even agree with each other,  even with Hal Lindsey author  of the late great planet earth… [;us  ” Like most men who have acquired great wealth, prestige and influence he has spent a good deal of time chasing women. His third wife and church recently gave him the boot , Hal Lindsey is currently married to his fourth wife, having divorced his previous three.  ”   or even those many others from   the Dallas Theological cemetery many of whom do not believe in miracles today but only the existence of the anti Christ it seems.
“[Amos 3:7] Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” I believe that we are not to be ignorant, (not in darkness), [1Thess 5:4] “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.” I believe that ignorance, surprise, and not knowing the hour is a punishment of not watching, and does not apply to faithful believers who repent and watch: [Revelation 3:3] “Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.” [Luke 12:39] “And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.”

(Col 2:16 KJV)  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17   Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
(Gal 3:1 KJV)  O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?  2  This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3  Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4  Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5  He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6  Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7  Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8  And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9  So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10  For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12  And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13  Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14  That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
The New Testament Covenant made by God through Jesus Christ has replaced the Old testament covenant, which itself was mandatory to keep in those days but this old testament Covenant could never still save anyone, they still all personally were saved by their personal faith in God to save them next too. So now we as Christians have been set free from merely keeping the requirements of the past inapplicable laws.. such as solely worshipping God on Sabbath, on the new moon.. and not being allowed to eat unclean meats, etc.. As a Christian we all  should have developed by now enough spiritual insight to be able to led God lead you directly every day, not by too often fallible, sinful men,
I have continually said that the devil works continually to take you away from God, to break your relationship with God.. and if the devil cannot do it himself he will use a person, a sect, a false denomination next to try to do this too… even such sects as as the false seventh day Adventists or messianic Jews too they do now have some Biblical truths but they are grossly in error still too for they are judiazers who try to put you into bondage and also to have you worship their false religion, distortion of true Christianity.
Many false People like to establish false rules, false control, false influence  over you, by promoting  rules they themselves do not keep, mad up rules  to get your attention, your false subservient, but you can never keep these false rules anyway, and these rules change so often too.. and they call them applicable commandments.. forgetting the commandment thou shall worship God in spirit and in truth.. thou shall love God and love thy neighbor as thyself firstly as well..  
I am also still getting really rightfully tired about  these so called Biblical, spiritual experts who open their mouth and talk big about something they personally now still have never experienced, know very little about, such as what the Bible actually says, or  Spiritual gifts, speaking in tongues, prophecy, the anointing, baptism of the spirit, miracles, healings etc..
(2Ti 3:16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
(Psa 19:7) The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 8  The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
(Psa 19:11) Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
(Pro 13:13) Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.

 Is 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no one else; there is no God besides Me. I will gird {and} arm you, though you have not known Me,


(Jer 32:27 KJV)  Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

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(Rev 2:4 KJV)  Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
(Rev 2:5 KJV)  Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.     

“God Hears

God sees and hears whatever you ARE GOING through. He sees your misfortunes, abuse, tears, burdens, pain, and mistakes. He sees your disappointment- THE CHILD GIVING you trouble. He sees the wrong choices, the husband. He sees and avenges. He never leaves your life like he found you. Sometimes you don’t see him working, but know that He is. It may take years for it to come to pass. However, DON’T cast away your confidence. Trust Him.

Seek godly counsel. others will encourage you to give up on God promises. Months ago, I spoke with a friend about a situation and she convinced me to turn back. I hung up the phone and the Holy Ghost spoke to me. He asked, “Are you giving up on me?” I was encouraged to hold on even longer. Sometimes, we don’t understand, but we can not lean to our own understanding. We have to LET GOD direct our path.

Sara conceived and bare ABRAHAM A son in his old age. at the set time of which God had spoken to him. (genesis 21) In the process, Sara got out of the will of the Lord and gave her bondwoman, Hagar to be his wife. (Genesis 16) He went into her and she conceived.

Sara saw the son of Hagar and said to Abraham, cast out this bondwoman and her son. (Genesis 21:10-17) Abraham took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it to Hagar and sent her away. She wandered in the wilderness and used all of the water. She left the child under a bush and went a way off. She did not want to watch him die. She cried loudly.

God heard the crying boy, and an angel called Hagar from heaven. “What’s the matter?” he asked her. Don’t be afraid! God has heard the boy crying in the bushes. Arise, get your son. God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water, And she went and filled the bottle with water and gave the boy to drink. God was with the boy. (Genesis 21:10-17)

God hears. He sees. Why did God let this happen? It is a time and a season that things happens in this life. We are tried in the furnace of afflictions. God does little things in part to prepare you, so you can handle it. He is with you in your trials. He will strengthen your mind. This is the battle ground. Keep praying, and reading your Bible. He will send an angel to talk to you. He will show up in a greater way. The devil will tell you that you have done wrong. He is a liar. Stay in church.” Wait on God’s vision to come to pass. It will be fulfilled in your life.”


(John 2:10 KJV)  And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
(Eph 5:18 KJV)  And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
 (Luke 11:13 KJV)  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
(Eph 1:13 KJV)  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(Eph 4:30 KJV)  And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
(1 Th 4:7 KJV)  For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
(1 Th 4:8 KJV)  He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
(1 Th 4:9 KJV)  But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
yes I still do prefer to talk about what the Bible says.. not mere men’s views..
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.