Never mind those in the false cults like Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses, etc..
Latter Rain (Christian Church) Movement – The real latter day saints.. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/latter-rain/
Never mind those in the false cults like Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses, etc..
Latter Rain (Christian Church) Movement – The real latter day saints.. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/latter-rain/
A brother had written to me some interesting comments about the need to deal with hireling type preachers and it should include their restitutions as well.. Would be nice if everyone practiced it now too. The persons emphasizing restitution too.
LK 17:3 “Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.
if he repents, seems we do not see that firstly even from Ministers, most governmental criminals these days too..
The unrepentant sins of any person, nation still even today has next God’s negative corrections.. for God is not to be scoffed at. Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
and it took me a while to next figure out what was wrong with a close, personal friend of mine, an evangelical pastor, and also with his associates now too in one of our local churches now too.. for he often had some of the right sounding words.. but some how I knew something was always obviously basically wrong.. it even was the fact he clearly was always now concerned about the Basics of life: food, clothing, shelter, job, image and too often rather.. their concern for having better material things… Hirelings or prostitutes to me it means the same thing.. sadly the last 12 pastors I had personally encountered where now hirelings! https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/about-those-hirelings-now-fleecing-the-sheep/
Fundamentals evangelists have been proven right, Alcohol is dangerous, leads also to cancer. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/drink-alcohol-and-die/
1 Peter 5 :8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Loves rye (or beer) and hockey…
But the New Beginnings Ministry 9412 Rue Clement Lasalle, QC H8R1T5 Phone: (514) 363-1080., where the hireling Stéphane Chauvette Associate Pastor had falsely denied that Harper drinks Alcohol.. so REALLY NOW I cannot trust him, for he lies to me all the time for he cannot face reality
JUST CAUSE THEY STILL DO EVEN CONTINUE IN SIN DOINGS DOES NOT MEAN GOD HAS OVERLOOKED IT, FOR THERE WILL COME HERE ON EARTH A DAY OF INITIAL JUDDGEMENT ON IT BY GOD FOR ALL THEY DID.. AS WELL NEXT IN HEAVEN..
(Isa 16:14 KJV) But now the LORD hath spoken, saying, Within three years, as the years of an hireling, and the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble.
(Isa 21:16 KJV) For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail:
(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
(Gen 2:16 KJV) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
(Ezra 2:68 KJV) And some of the chief of the fathers, when they came to the house of the LORD which is at Jerusalem, offered freely for the house of God to set it up in his place:
(Ezra 7:15 KJV) And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellors have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem,
(Psa 54:6 KJV) I will freely sacrifice unto thee: I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good.
(Hosea 14:4 KJV) I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
(Acts 26:26 KJV) For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
(Rom 3:24 KJV) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
(Rom 8:32 KJV) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
(1 Cor 2:12 KJV) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
(2 Cor 11:7 KJV) Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
(Rev 21:6 KJV) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
(Rev 22:17 KJV) And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
(2 Tim 4:10 KJV) For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; .
(John 10:12 KJV) But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
(John 10:13 KJV) The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep..
When Good Preachers Make Bad Pastors: Bringing Balance to Pastoral Ministry
Jim Pile Associate Pastor, Pastoral Care Grace Community Church
I. THE SHEPHERD’S TEMPTATIONS
– Watch out for putting programs over people. “I’m awfully busy!”
– Don’t say to the invalid – “I’ll go tomorrow!”
– Don’t say to the grieving – My next project is more critical to work on today.
– Don’t say to the wandering sheep – “I’ll go after them later!”
– Watch out for desire for money or the lack of it.
– Beware making ministry choices based upon getting more money or else having a smoldering attitude toward the church because you don’t get paid enough. [Titus 1:7 – “not given to filthy lucre” (KJV).]
– Don’t become a “hireling” .lacking a shepherd’s heart.working for pay.eyes ever on his wages.his deepest motive is financial gain. His god is self.
– Paul in Acts 20:33-35 – “I have coveted no one’s silver or gold or clothes. You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my own needs and to the men who were with me. In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.'”
– Innate in the souls of men
– Leaders are ambitious men but beware:
o Loving prominence (Diotrephes, 3 John 9-10)
o Craving distinction
o Desiring exalted rank
We need to have the attitude of John the Baptist, “He must increase but I must decrease” (John 3:30).
– Beware being hardened by ministry.frustrations over people who don’t change.
“God’s people who treat you worse than the world.”
– Beware when no testimony thrills you anymore, no sermon moves you, no bookmotivates you, or you haven’t read one for quite some time.
6. Success/ Business
– Watch out when your church grows.more meetings, less devotions
– Don’t become CEOs; don’t become managers instead of ministers
– Beware more pragmatism than doctrine, more style than substance, more denominational politics than doctrine.
7. Sexual sin
– Beware sexual sin! It consumes ministers at an alarming rate!
– Statistics on Pastors/ Sexual Sin
. A survey conducted by Christianity Today of its readership in August 2000 revealed that 33% of clergy have visited a sexually explicit Internet site at least once within the past year, of which 53% have done so “a few times.” The survey also revealed that 18% had visited pornographic sites between “a couple of times a month” and “more than once a week” (Christianity Today, March 5, 2001, 44-45).
. 75% of pastors do not make themselves accountable to anyone for their Internet use. (“Leadership” Magazine, “Pastors and Internet Pornography,”
Winter 2001. 2000 Survey, 564 respondents)
. High number of pay-for-view pornographic videos at hotels hosting conferences for pastors. Remove the T.V.
8. Pride (God and people hate this sin the most.)
– Don’t ever think too highly of yourself and your gifts.
– James 4:6 “But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.”
– The greater the influence God gives a pastor, the greater he becomes in his own sight.
– “My ministry,” not God’s!
– Some new or strange doctrine that is not biblical.
“At every stage of our Christian development and in every sphere of our Christian discipleship, pride is our greatest enemy and humility our greatest friend” (John Stott, in Alive to God, p. 119).
. You know of ministers who have fallen or given in to some of these temptations. Within 5 years, ½ of seminary graduates drop out of ministry. Only 1 in 20 remain at 65 years old!
Some of you here today are struggling with some of these temptations. And if you are thinking “I’ll never fall to any of these temptations,” then you haven’t been in ministry for very long.
. Pastoral Epistles – In Paul’s instructions to Titus and Timothy, he mentions thirteen times that ministries were ruined by some of these temptations.
– In 1 Timothy
1:6 there were ministers who had “turned aside to fruitless discussion.”
1:19 some had “suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith.”
4:2 he warned of ministers filled with “the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron.”
6:4 he told Timothy to watch out for the minister who “is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions.”
6:5 Paul spoke of the hold money had on some ministers, for he says, they “suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”
6:20-21 he warned Timothy to avoid ministers characterized by “worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called ‘knowledge’ – which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith.”
– In 2 Timothy 1:15 Paul names two ministers (Phygelus & Hermogenes) who “turned away from me.”
2:16-18 he speaks of ministers whose “talk will spread like gangrene.” Then he names two such ministers (Hymenaeus & Philetus) “who have gone astray from the
3:5 he warns of ministers who are “holding to a form of godliness, although theyhave denied its power.”
3:8 these ministers are “men who oppose the truth.”
4:3-4 Paul speaks of ministers who will teach in accordance to the desires of people who “will not endure sound doctrine,” and will “tickle the ears” with myths instead of truth.
– In Titus 1:10-11 he described many ministers as “rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers,
. teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.”
1:16 he warned of ministers who “profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.”
PS and why does all of this remind me still of our professing Christian Prime Minister Stephen Harper now as well?
“I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep. He that is a hireling, and not a shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, beholdeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fieeth, and the wolf snatcheth them, and and scattered them: he fieeth because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep.” (John 10:11-13).
Jesus came as a good shepherd laying down his life for all men. He was mocked, beaten and died on a cross. There was nothing in what Jesus did that benefited Him…it was all for us. Jesus laid “down his life for the sheep.”
While the “good shepherd” cared for the sheep and was willing to die for them, the hireling “careth not for the sheep.” The hireling is a hired shepherd who tends a flock not his own, for money or personal gain. The hireling is bought and paid for with no concern or “care” for the sheep except as it suits his own interests.
Jeremiah the prophet of God wrote: “…from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace: when there is no peace.” God had determined destruction against His people unless they repented. Their wickedness was so excessive that they “were not at all ashamed neither could they blush” (Jer. 6:13-15). Their paid clergy (preachers) not only did not warn them of the impending war and devastation, they lied and prophesied peace, peace! The people continued in sin due to the deception of the prophets and priests. Jeremiah stood almost alone warning the people to “trust ye not in lying words.” These bought prophets and priests had “bent the knee to Baal” and Jeremiah was in the “minority.” The majority were self-serving prophets who told the people what they wanted to hear. Isaiah described the same problem this way “For it is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of Jehovah; that say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophecy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophecy deceits” (Isaiah 30:9-10). The Prophets (or Seers) willingly did as the people requested because they were bought and paid for… and this left Isaiah in the “minority” who did not bend the knee “to evil.”
Elijah on Mount Carmel took on 450 prophets of Baal. Baal’s prophets were kept men. They were bought and paid for by Jezebel. These 450 prophets were men that “eat at Jezebel’s tables” (I Kings 18:19). These prophets of Baal cared not for “the sheep” (the people of Israel). They sold out for money. True prophets of God were always in a minority in Old Testament history.
Paul wrote Timothy: “For the time will come when they will not endure the sound (healthful) doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables” (II Tim. 4:3-4). Those with an itching ear are always willing to pay to have it scratched. The idea is of a group of people who want their itching ears scratched and tickled. For the right price some are always ready to do the tickling.
The early gospel preachers were totally committed to Jesus Christ. These godly ministers of the gospel were imprisoned, beaten, stoned, suffered hunger and thirst, did not have enough clothes and were put to death. This took conviction and faith in God Almighty. There was little financial gain in preaching because the early Christians were poor in this world’s goods and suffering persecution. These godly ministers were prepared and called from “real life.” They were not hot house plants sitting in their air conditioned studies drawing a big salary. They had trades and had worked in the marketplace. It was according to the will of God for their material needs to be met by the disciples; however, they were not owned by any man or group of men. They were not hired to preach and were not employees of any church organization. They belonged to the Lord. No elder or eldership controlled them. They served God not men. If support failed they could and did make a living. Peter could fish, Paul and Apollos could build tents.
Our modern professional system demands that “our” ministers go to “our colleges.” J.D. Tant saw the problem this way: “If a Bible college is essential to being a gospel preacher I wonder why Christ went to the Sea of Galilee to get his preachers instead of to the great college at Athens?” (2) Our “system” is patterned after the Catholics and the denominations. The only difference between the Catholics and us is they call their clergy “Father” and put him in a dress. We call our preachers “Brother” and let him wear a suit. (The suit is just a matter of the Elders’ judgement and if trends continue as they are, preachers would do well to keep their dress sizes on file!) We separate “our” preachers from the people. We send them through special programs and schools. They, often, are not a part of “real life.” They know nothing of the struggles of the factory worker, businessman or laborer. Over 100 years ago the pioneer preacher Ben Franklin wrote of preachers in this situation:
“They have not the knowledge of the world, the ways and manners of the people to do it [preach]. They know nothing of the toils, hardships, and burdens, of the masses of mankind; are incompetent to sympathize with them, mingle with them, become a fellow creature with them, and preach the Gospel of Salvation to them, in an acceptable and successful manner and save them. They not only are wholly incompetent, incapable, and could not, if they would; but it is not their atmosphere, not their congenial sphere, and they never will do the work in the Lord’s great Evangelical field. They never have done the work, and never will.” (3)
This system will lull the members to sleep and the work will remain undone.
Cled Wallace summarized it this way:
“Professionalism in preaching. That doesn’t mean that a man who preaches ought not to be prepared, ought not to be educated…but you can take a professionally minded young man, put him through college and put him through ‘seminary’ — we call ours ‘department of religion’ — but you can put him through, put a scissor tailed coat on him, give him as many degrees as a thermometer, turn him loose, and there’ll be some ‘ignoramus’ rise right out from behind a bush somewhere, out in the country, and preach circles all around him. And that doesn’t mean that education is a bad thing, it just simply means that there is something to preaching that you can’t get unless you know the Book, unless you love the Lord, and unless you feel a good deal like Paul did when he said, ‘Woe is me if I preach not the gospel’.” (4)
Is he of “the spirit of Elijah?” Does he have the power of Paul and boldness of Peter? Does he have the character of those worthies of old time who were “stoned” and “sawn asunder, they were tempted, they were slain with the sword: they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins: being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated (of whom the world was not worthy)?” If this describes your congregation’s preacher then he is in the “minority” and should be supported spiritually and materially…with generosity. This is a man who cares for and loves the sheep. His motivation, like the worthies of old, is not material. This kind of man is looking for a city whose builder and maker is God. This man belongs to the Lord and is His servant alone. Let us pray fervently that God will raise up for His use men (and women) of this character.
1. The Bible Banner, Sept. 1948, page 5.
2. The Firm Foundation, Sept. 23, 1947, page 3.
3. Book of Gems, page 127-128.
4. The Bible Banner, Sept. 1948, page 5.
Wrongful inactions, Cover ups, False denial of bad politicians, bad cops, bad persons, false pastors, false priests are much too common but nevertheless they do get exposed, revealed to all as to what they are often now like too, and get what they deserve, and not the first or last time.
Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty still serves as a rightful deterrent example to all and is still one of the best approaches on how to deal with the evil persons. Even the Bible records openly the unrepentant sins of many persons and their real negative consequences. Too many of the preachers are unacceptably also guilty of preaching “Do what I say and not what I do still too”.
VANCOUVER — A $5 million legal bill for defending a religious order against charges of sexual abuse has landed a B.C. senator in hot water. Sen. Mobina Jaffer, a Liberal appointment to Canada’s upper chamber, must undergo a conduct review, the Law Society of B.C. announced Tuesday. The Order of the Oblates of Mary Immaculate sued Jaffer, her son Azool Jaffer-Jeraj and their firm, accusing them of overbilling the order for legal work done from 2000 to 2004. The lawsuit was settled before it went to trial. Now the case will proceed to a conduct review. “Undergoing a conduct review is a serious matter for any lawyer,” said Stuart Cameron, the society’s director of discipline. Ms. Mobina Jaffer was appointed as a Senator to represent British Columbia in June of 2001. Having been born in Uganda, and trained in law in Britain she had a career as a lawyer and was active on many legal and charitable foundations, as well as being involved in local politics. She was the first Muslim ever appointed to the Senate and the first African-born as well. Ms. Jaffer is the deputy chair of the Senate Committee for Human Rights and also sits on the Committees for Official Languages, Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration and the joint committee for the Library of Parliament. Anyone checked her Senate expense accounts yet too? http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/one-of-harpers-boys-in-trouble/
PQ calls for tougher ethics rules. Parti Québécois Leader Pauline Marois says David Whissell should also step down as a member of the national assembly. So yeah, Ms. Marois, about your mansion on Ile Bizard… One day after Quebec’s labour minister resigned from cabinet over his controversial stake in an asphalting firm, http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/09/10/pq-ethics-whissell.html
Sep 10, 6:12 AM CP HALIFAX, N.S. – A judge in Nova Scotia will begin hearing arguments today on whether to certify a class-action suit against the Roman Catholic church over the alleged sexual abuse of children by its priests. John MacKiggan, a lawyer representing the claimants, says he will present arguments to a Supreme Court justice over the alleged decades-old abuse in the diocese of Antigonish. The lawsuit was launched last year by Ronald Martin, whose brother wrote a suicide note in 2002 that led to charges of sex crimes against a priest from the diocese. In the suit, Martin claimed the diocese failed to protect children in its care when it became aware of the alleged abuse. The church reached a proposed settlement with the plaintiffs last month, but it has to be certified by the court. The judge also has to approve the proposed settlement of more than $13 million, which would be available to people who were allegedly sexually assaulted by any priest of the Catholic Episcopal Corp. of Antigonish since Jan. 1, 1950. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090910/national/ns_diocese_lawsuit
Former N.S. bishop charged with possession of child porn. Raymond Lahey, the former bishop of the diocese of Antigonish, is known as the man who oversaw a $15-million settlement with people who said they had been sexually abused by priests in the diocese dating back to 1950. He was arrested at the Ottawa Airport last week after members of the Canada Border Services Agency performed a random check of his laptop computer. Lahey has been charged with distributing and selling child pornography. On Saturday, Lahey, 69, announced his resignation as bishop of the Antigonish diocese. In a letter to parishioners, he said he needed time for “personal renewal.” http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2009/09/30/ns-bishop-charged.html