One of the first stages of personal grief is denial and not rather acceptance

  Follow the money trail, one of the oldest rules of good journalism, it will tell you how effective the ministers, cops, RCMP, civil and public servants, professionals,  now really are too.
How do they abuse your tax money?
You know I get a kick out of those lying spin  doctors,  police officers, bad cops, union representatives, police lovers, bad PERSONS   who STILL DO say that ALL OF  bad people, INCLUDING the ALCOHOLICS, the bad cops and their bad supervisors too they  can always be rehabilitated, retrained.. and how many millions of them now has this happened to them.. almost none.. a bad apple tends to get worse.. The RCMP maximum 10 days punishment is always absurd, permanent dismissal is what is always needed with the bad cops and their clearly bad superiors who had managed and hired them too.. Bad solicitor generals as well should be fired ASAP. NOW WHY IS IT BAD PEOPLE DO NOT CHANGE NEXT BESIDE THE FACT THEY LIKE TO DO BAD THINGS, IT IS ALSO CAUSE THEY FALSELY  REFUSE TO ADMIT THE THINGS THEY DO ARE BAD. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/thenonconformer/
ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE IN DENIAL WHO CANNOT ADMIT ANY PERSONAL  WRONG DOINGS, SINS NOW THEY ARE IN A FALSE DENIAL STILL TOO
Not just in Churches, among the police, politicians, civil and public servants, but I have never seem so many lying, mental people in one place like I have among  the medical workers I have dealt with this year in  in Hospitals, convalescent, old age homes who really do delude themselves too often about their self importance and the positive role they are functioning in.  When a  professional cannot see what they are doing now is simply  so wrong they themselves do now need real professional help too.
The People who lie often, the  professionals now included, they tend to have severe personal,  mental disorders next cause one tends to eventually believe next ones lies as being the truth, and they can no no longer differentiate their own lies from reality, the truth.
Narcissistic, selfish, self centered  Mental Disorders too evident now even in many of the so called medical Professionals leads  these persons to  dwell in self-absorption, fantasy, illusion, where she or he has exaggerated claims to talents, importance, or specialness,  manifesting evidence  of a need for constant admiration from others,  a lack of empathy for all others, persistent in this too,  have rigid personality traits and coping styles, clearly  inflexible, do show a  hypersensitivity to any criticism , defeat or  negative realities thus they rather  are pathological in  denial by the their falsity, contrived replacement of the truths which they still must  face eventually .  These SEVERE PERSONALITY disorders are generally personally ongoing too leading to more impaired social and/or occupational functioning and can make it difficult to pinpoint a clear dividing line between their  pathology and their so called normality.
Most of these people with their personality disorders may not perceive that there is anything wrong with their behavior and thus they are not motivated to change it. It is important to note that these  personality disorders are considered to have their onset in late adolescence or early adulthood and they alone are responsible for it too.
Denial, it is very very common when many an individual, even among   so called professionals, even in pastors now included,  are openly confronted with their own wrong doings, that they resort to a false denial. When confronted with the truth the denier they  often respond with a similar personal counter attack remark as   ”you are crazy”.  “I reject your reality… and substitute my own.”  Their false denial, diversion, distortion does not change the negative reality about themselves still though.  Sadly it is a negative natural human tendency to devolve into denial.”    It’s not just a moral compass that’s lacking, but the ability to honest, or to stand apart.
Denial often comes out of a false pride, a fear of being openly exposed as being wrong. Denial is a false convenient escape, excuse for inaction  for persons now  facing a situation that requires a decision or action that conflicts with his or her established past policy. Denial too often can be  further disastrous upon themselves and others.. for denial is not seeing data at all or seeing it and coming to an erroneous conclusion within oneself. One’s false denial is often based on a false assumption  of one’s past great success and often precedes their own severe personal failure next due to a personal disconnect with real life. Illustrated fully by the story of the Emperor with new clothes.
Denial (also called abnegation) is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence, a mechanism of the immature mind that conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality. The subject may now deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial), admit the fact but deny its seriousness (minimization) or admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility (transference). The concept of denial is particularly related to the denial of one’s addiction to alcohol for example, or to one slandering others, abusing them stealing, lying.. their denial or their  minimization of their own wrong doings is the  essential part of what enables them next to to continue his or her behavior in the face of evidence that, to an outsider, that is   overwhelming.   “The American Heart Association cites denial as a principal reason that treatment of a heart attack is delayed. Because the symptoms are so varied, and often have other potential explanations, the opportunity exists for the patient to deny the emergency, often with fatal consequences. It is common for patients to delay mammograms or other tests because of a fear of cancer, even though this is clearly maladaptive.”

Types of Denial include now the Denial of fact: This form of denial is where someone avoids a fact by lying. This lying can take the form of an outright falsehood (commission), leaving out certain details in order to tailor a story (omission), This form of denial involves avoiding personal responsibility by blaming, minimizing or justifying.

Denial of responsibilityDenial of impact: avoiding thinking about or understanding the harms their behavior have caused to themselves or others.

Denial of awareness: they do not admit any previous awareness of the negative reality.

Denial of cycle: Denial of cycle is where a person avoids looking at their decisions leading up to an event or does not consider their pattern of decision making and how harmful behavior is repeated.

Denial of denial:  This latter form of denial typically overlaps with all of the other forms of denial, but involves more self-delusion. People in a false denial are really nuts, delusional..

There are tools and practices that we can implement to overcome the psychological trap of denial. Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty is one of the best approach serving everyone’s best interest too. It is a clearly established fact with good basis as to why our Canadian leaders, politicians, police, military, public and civil servants  who are always to be exemplary are even personally are to held to a higher standard, accountability in reality.

People in leadership office do have to face higher penalties as an example now too. It is clearly established, accepted fact by most people that those in leadership civil and public servants cops, teachers, ministers, politicians included  are always to be exemplary in behavior,  conduct and they do need to maintain their high standards even out of their working hours, thus to do so they are also to be exemplary  judged, prosecuted  for their own wrong doings with a higher standard over those of us ordinary folks.

You see I can tell the truth cause I do not have a boss, I  am not an ass kisser, I am not running for any office, or selling anything, I am not hiding anything , I  am nothing but an ordinary honest, mature, decent  person.
When you honestly use your own almost non existent right of free speech to point out to the cops how bad they really are, one of the first stages of their personal grief is their  false denial, they need professional help here  too, and they response you are crazy, this diversion tactic does not change how bad they are, how too lazy they are to change themselves now too. Police like to label, bash others as criminals, but as uncorrectable persons, but when they do they same thing, they claim they can be retrained, corrected, such hypocrites they now are as well. One of the first things the police do about their accuser is to harass them, pay them back, investigate the accuser and not the complaint now too. I have been too often falsely police harassed myself.
Imagine this the new email programs including windows live and google mail  are now all designed to keep all your emails on an exterior server for 30 days so the cops can read and access them at any time. The cops reading your email and seeing what you do on the net next as well.. a clear police state.
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A Hireling in an evangelical church

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 and it took me a while to next  figure out what was wrong with a close, personal friend of mine, an evangelical pastor, and also with his associates now too in one of our local churches now too.. for he often  had some of the right sounding words.. but some how I knew something was always obviously basically wrong.. it even was the fact he clearly was always now concerned about the Basics of life: food, clothing, shelter, job, image and too often rather.. their  concern for having better material things… Hirelings or prostitutes to me it means the same thing.. sadly the last 12 pastors I had personally encountered where now hirelings!  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/about-those-hirelings-now-fleecing-the-sheep/

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(Jer 6:27 KJV)  I have set thee for a tower and a fortress among my people, that thou mayest know and try their way. 28  They are all grievous revolters, walking with slanders: they are brass and iron; they are all corrupters. 29  The bellows are burned, the lead is consumed of the fire; the founder melteth in vain: for the wicked are not plucked away. 30  Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.
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Hey I admit even I too am dumb, slow to learn too sometimes as well..
Canada”s Prime Minister Stephen Harper is also certainly not a Christian leader role model that I would follow for in his reelection platforms he is  a fear monger, uses too often  scare tactics, he discriminates, is divisive, pits one citizen group against the other.

Fundamentals evangelists have been proven right, Alcohol is dangerous, leads also to cancer. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/drink-alcohol-and-die/

1 Peter 5 :8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your  adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may  devour:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions  are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.10 But the God of all  grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye  have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11 To  him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

http://kambulow.blogspot.ca/2013/06/the-possession.html

Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty joined   brewery manager Colin O’Brien, and supply director Paul Armstrong at the Guinness brew house. http://www.canada.com/Stephen+Harper+Irish+adventures/8532787/story.htmlharper_guiness
 
For all you naieve, seduced born again evangelicals who do still think that Stephen Harper is an evangelical Christian, most of you real Evangelicals do agree that drinking beer is  an unacceptable sin but Stephen Harper offers a pint of beer he poured at the Red Stag tavern during a campaign stop in Halifax, Thursday March 31, 2011”.
… Harper flunked the Christianity test even..
AS HE IS SELF CENTERED, DOES NOT REALLY CARE ABOUT OTHERS..
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For all the fundamental evangelical Christians who say that PM Stephen Harper DOES NOT DRINK ALCOHOL.. HERE IS THE REALITY “VANCOUVER, B.C. – It seems U.S. President Barack Obama owes Prime Minister Stephen Harper a few cold ones. The two leaders had a friendly bet on the outcome of Sunday’s gold-medal Olympic hockey game.   Team Canada came out on top, so Obama will have to pick up a 24-pack of Molson Canadian for the prime minister. Harper would have had to buy Obama a case of Yuengling beer if the U.S. had taken the top honour at the tournament. Team USA beat Team Canada in the first match-up between the two countries in the preliminary rounds, but Canada came out on top in a heart-stopping overtime round on Sunday. Harper was at the game in Vancouver but Obama did not make an appearance at the Olympics. The prime minister met with the gold medal winners in the locker room after the game to congratulate them. “
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/obama-owes-harper-a-few-brews-after-canada-takes-us-in-olympic-hockey-85784877.html
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I ALSO REMEMBER WHEN THE LYING US PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE OBAMA SUPPORTER HAD SAID THAT CHRISTIAN OBAMA DOES NOT DRINK ALCOHOL..
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 I had attended a recent comical church service,  New Beginnings Ministry 9412 Rue Clement Lasalle, QC H8R1T5 Phone: (514) 363-1080., a farcical circus, not the first time now too,  where  Stéphane Chauvette Associate Pastor was preaching about everything, bashing everyone else, but somehow he could not keep his own promises, his  own word, or stay on a specific valid subject. And he made it clear if you  rock his boat he will next also kick you off the ship..  The  hypocritical, pretentious fundamental right winged evangelical pastor of this New Life Beginnings in LaSalle, Quebec  Preaches next openly  now  for us not to believe any of the news media and for us not to  have anything to do with any person who drinks wine, and to stand up against all of the people who do any wrong, to even openly speak to them, ( as long as it is not the pastor himself  for sure) and yet he lied and says come and talk to me your pastor after church. I am always really interested to hear from you about all of your concerns but  in reality when you do try to talk to him.. for next  I thus told him that our PM stephen Harper the supposedly good Christian now drinks beer/wine..  well  next the pastor really got upset at me..  since he himself cannot handle negative truths, he the ostrich no good pastor refused to further talk with me  and said  he was tired now, he  refuses to hear any of that, he refuses to believe any of that, for that is all gossip,  slanders, and also we do not allow anyone who causes disturbance, problems, gives any criticism in our church, so please leave now. So much for this supposedly Christ like church and their false professing Christian love, false brotherly love, their supposed openness now, and one’s free speech too..
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(Acts 5:9 KJV)  Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
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(Heb 10:31 KJV)  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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(Heb 3:12 KJV)  Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
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EVANGELCIAL PRIME MINISTER  Stephen Harper : Canada 
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For as George W. Bush would call him is on record as Harper saying if you don’t drink Canadian beer you’re a pansy  http://200milesup.newsvine.com/_news/2007/04/08/560786-world-leaders-that-confirm-their-countries-stereotypes-with-pictures etc.,
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The Prime Minister is reputed to have a keen knowledge of rock music,
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Loves rye (or beer) and hockey…

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But the New Beginnings Ministry 9412 Rue Clement Lasalle, QC H8R1T5 Phone: (514) 363-1080.,   where the hireling Stéphane Chauvette Associate Pastor had  falsely denied that Harper drinks Alcohol.. so REALLY NOW I cannot trust him, for he lies to me all the time for he cannot face reality

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JUST CAUSE THEY STILL DO EVEN  CONTINUE IN SIN DOINGS DOES NOT MEAN GOD HAS OVERLOOKED IT, FOR THERE WILL COME HERE ON EARTH A DAY OF INITIAL JUDDGEMENT ON IT BY GOD FOR ALL THEY DID.. AS WELL NEXT IN HEAVEN..

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These  HIRELINGS PREACHERS, leaders did not become wealthy by following the dream, instead they became wealthy by building up a group of people who believe passionately in the dream, and then selling dream-promoting wares to this captive audience. They did not become rich by selling toothpaste; they became rich by hyping dream-promoting books, tapes, DVDs, and conferences books, tapes, DVDs, and conferences, and t-shirts, and most ominously spiritual rewards and the FALSE PROMISE OF prevention of spiritual punishments  to their own private market of dream believers.  The dream INCLUDES  A PERSONAL BLESSING OR A the prosperity gospel. Their captive market is their SUCKERS, their own congregation..  stupid people, fools trying still to buy their way into heaven.. sad..
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 (Mat 6:25 KJV)  Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26  Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27  Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28  And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29  And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30  Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31  Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32  (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34  Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.   
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(Luke 12:22 KJV)  And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.
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 I have too often now encountered the hireling in the evangelical churches, you can spot them by their concerns for their housing allowance, filthy lucre, pension fund, and their begging for money  ( Hab 2:4 KJV)  Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.  (Rom 1:17 KJV)  For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Heb 10:38 KJV)  Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Do see https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/get-real-now/
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(Mat 10:8 KJV)  Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.And  you will quickly discover there is very little if anything that is freely now given in his church too, on on his websites, but there are plenty of demands, opportunities for you to give  your money.This is also typical for many a Word of Faith/Prosperity/Healing ministry and it here too should come as no surprise. Books, tapes and conferences are featured on this website. Opportunities to make an offering or to become a “partner” are also offered..God punishes still the hirelings in his ministry...(Job 7:1 KJV)  Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?(Job 7:2 KJV)  As a servant earnestly desireth the shadow, and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work:

(Isa 16:14 KJV)  But now the LORD hath spoken, saying, Within three years, as the years of an hireling, and the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble.

(Isa 21:16 KJV)  For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail:

(Mal 3:5 KJV)  And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

(Gen 2:16 KJV)  And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

(Ezra 2:68 KJV)  And some of the chief of the fathers, when they came to the house of the LORD which is at Jerusalem, offered freely for the house of God to set it up in his place:

(Ezra 7:15 KJV)  And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellors have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem,

(Psa 54:6 KJV)  I will freely sacrifice unto thee: I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good.

(Hosea 14:4 KJV)  I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.

(Acts 26:26 KJV)  For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.

(Rom 3:24 KJV)  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(Rom 8:32 KJV)  He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

(1 Cor 2:12 KJV)  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

(2 Cor 11:7 KJV)  Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?

(Rev 21:6 KJV)  And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

(Rev 22:17 KJV)  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

(2 Tim 4:10 KJV)  For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; .

(John 10:12 KJV)  But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

(John 10:13 KJV)  The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep..

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When Good Preachers Make Bad Pastors: Bringing Balance to Pastoral Ministry
Jim Pile Associate Pastor, Pastoral Care Grace Community Church

While preaching is an indispensable part of our role as pastors in shepherding people at a corporate level, shepherding people individually is just as vital in our work for the kingdom.
. Before we look at principles for shepherding others, we, as pastors can fail in ministry if we don’t keep building on the right “foundation.” What is that foundation? It’s the Word of God as it relates to our own lives. Before we can lead with excellence, we must walk in a manner worthy of our calling.
. Personal holiness is a foundational requirement for true and powerful spiritual leadership.
– 1 Peter 1:15-16 “But like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, ‘You shall be holy, for I am holy.'”
– “A minister may fill his pews, his communion roll, the mouths of the public, but what that minister is on his knees in secret before God Almighty, that he is and no more”
(John Owen, cited in I.D.E. Thomas, A Puritan Golden Treasury [Edinburgh: Bannerof Truth, 1977], 192).
. If personal holiness is a key to effective shepherding, then the following are some common temptations that pastors need to be on the alert for:
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I. THE SHEPHERD’S TEMPTATIONS
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1. Covetousness
– Watch out for coveting someone else’s success in ministry!
– Watch out for praise! People praise your sermons/voice/etc. You want more! This abnormal love of praise is a form of covetousness which is as fatal as the greed for money.
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2. Carelessness
– Watch out for putting programs over people. “I’m awfully busy!”
– Don’t say to the invalid – “I’ll go tomorrow!”
– Don’t say to the grieving – My next project is more critical to work on today.
– Don’t say to the wandering sheep – “I’ll go after them later!”

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3. Money
– Watch out for desire for money or the lack of it.
– Beware making ministry choices based upon getting more money or else having a smoldering attitude toward the church because you don’t get paid enough. [Titus 1:7 – “not given to filthy lucre” (KJV).]
– Don’t become a “hireling” .lacking a shepherd’s heart.working for pay.eyes ever on his wages.his deepest motive is financial gain. His god is self.
– Paul in Acts 20:33-35 – “I have coveted no one’s silver or gold or clothes. You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my own needs and to the men who were with me. In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.'”

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4. Power
– Innate in the souls of men
– Leaders are ambitious men but beware:
o Loving prominence (Diotrephes, 3 John 9-10)
o Craving distinction
o Desiring exalted rank
We need to have the attitude of John the Baptist, “He must increase but I must decrease” (John 3:30).

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5. Cynicism
– Beware being hardened by ministry.frustrations over people who don’t change.
“God’s people who treat you worse than the world.”
– Beware when no testimony thrills you anymore, no sermon moves you, no bookmotivates you, or you haven’t read one for quite some time.

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6. Success/ Business
– Watch out when your church grows.more meetings, less devotions
– Don’t become CEOs; don’t become managers instead of ministers
– Beware more pragmatism than doctrine, more style than substance, more denominational politics than doctrine.

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7. Sexual sin
– Beware sexual sin! It consumes ministers at an alarming rate!
– Statistics on Pastors/ Sexual Sin
. A survey conducted by Christianity Today of its readership in August 2000 revealed that 33% of clergy have visited a sexually explicit Internet site at least once within the past year, of which 53% have done so “a few times.” The survey also revealed that 18% had visited pornographic sites between “a couple of times a month” and “more than once a week” (Christianity Today, March 5, 2001, 44-45).
. 75% of pastors do not make themselves accountable to anyone for their Internet use. (“Leadership” Magazine, “Pastors and Internet Pornography,”
Winter 2001. 2000 Survey, 564 respondents)
. High number of pay-for-view pornographic videos at hotels hosting conferences for pastors. Remove the T.V.

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8. Pride (God and people hate this sin the most.)
– Don’t ever think too highly of yourself and your gifts.
– James 4:6 “But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.”

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– The greater the influence God gives a pastor, the greater he becomes in his own sight.
– “My ministry,” not God’s!
– Some new or strange doctrine that is not biblical.
“At every stage of our Christian development and in every sphere of our Christian discipleship, pride is our greatest enemy and humility our greatest friend” (John Stott, in Alive to God, p. 119).
. You know of ministers who have fallen or given in to some of these temptations. Within 5 years, ½ of seminary graduates drop out of ministry. Only 1 in 20 remain at 65 years old!

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Some of you here today are struggling with some of these temptations. And if you are thinking “I’ll never fall to any of these temptations,” then you haven’t been in ministry for very long.
. Pastoral Epistles – In Paul’s instructions to Titus and Timothy, he mentions thirteen times that ministries were ruined by some of these temptations.
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1:6 there were ministers who had “turned aside to fruitless discussion.”
1:19 some had “suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith.”
4:2 he warned of ministers filled with “the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron.”
6:4 he told Timothy to watch out for the minister who “is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions.”
6:5 Paul spoke of the hold money had on some ministers, for he says, they “suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”
6:20-21 he warned Timothy to avoid ministers characterized by “worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called ‘knowledge’ – which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith.”
– In 2 Timothy 1:15 Paul names two ministers (Phygelus & Hermogenes) who “turned away from me.”
2:16-18 he speaks of ministers whose “talk will spread like gangrene.” Then he names two such ministers (Hymenaeus & Philetus) “who have gone astray from the
truth.”
3:5 he warns of ministers who are “holding to a form of godliness, although theyhave denied its power.”
3:8 these ministers are “men who oppose the truth.”
4:3-4 Paul speaks of ministers who will teach in accordance to the desires of people who “will not endure sound doctrine,” and will “tickle the ears” with myths instead of truth.
– In Titus 1:10-11 he described many ministers as “rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers,
. teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.”
1:16 he warned of ministers who “profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.”
continued http://audio.gracechurch.org/sc/2005notes/PileWhenGoodPreachersMakeBadPastors.pdf

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PS and why does all of this remind me still of our professing Christian Prime Minister Stephen Harper now as well?

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It was not a job at all that I had even wanted  but God had now asked me to ask next personally many a crooked pastor in Canada to repent of stealing, adultery, slander, abuse of others, etc and yet 90 percent next had refused..
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but next what really, really  shocked me was to meet their wives next and when they saw me many of them started to frighteningly even to me shake in white terror.. for they also knew they were facing the terror of God, the judgment of God as well next.. Generally bad pastors are an Ananias and Sapphira affair…
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The Hireling

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 “I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep. He that is a hireling, and not a shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, beholdeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fieeth, and the wolf snatcheth them, and and scattered them: he fieeth because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep.” (John 10:11-13). 

Jesus came as a good shepherd laying down his life for all men. He was mocked, beaten and died on a cross. There was nothing in what Jesus did that benefited Him…it was all for us. Jesus laid “down his life for the sheep.”

While the “good shepherd” cared for the sheep and was willing to die for them, the hireling “careth not for the sheep.” The hireling is a hired shepherd who tends a flock not his own, for money or personal gain. The hireling is bought and paid for with no concern or “care” for the sheep except as it suits his own interests.

Hirelings in the Old Testament

Jeremiah the prophet of God wrote: “…from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace: when there is no peace.” God had determined destruction against His people unless they repented. Their wickedness was so excessive that they “were not at all ashamed neither could they blush” (Jer. 6:13-15). Their paid clergy (preachers) not only did not warn them of the impending war and devastation, they lied and prophesied peace, peace! The people continued in sin due to the deception of the prophets and priests. Jeremiah stood almost alone warning the people to “trust ye not in lying words.” These bought prophets and priests had “bent the knee to Baal” and Jeremiah was in the “minority.” The majority were self-serving prophets who told the people what they wanted to hear. Isaiah described the same problem this way “For it is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of Jehovah; that say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophecy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophecy deceits” (Isaiah 30:9-10). The Prophets (or Seers) willingly did as the people requested because they were bought and paid for… and this left Isaiah in the “minority” who did not bend the knee “to evil.”

Elijah on Mount Carmel took on 450 prophets of Baal. Baal’s prophets were kept men. They were bought and paid for by Jezebel. These 450 prophets were men that “eat at Jezebel’s tables” (I Kings 18:19). These prophets of Baal cared not for “the sheep” (the people of Israel). They sold out for money. True prophets of God were always in a minority in Old Testament history.

New Testament Hirelings

Paul wrote Timothy: “For the time will come when they will not endure the sound (healthful) doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables” (II Tim. 4:3-4). Those with an itching ear are always willing to pay to have it scratched. The idea is of a group of people who want their itching ears scratched and tickled. For the right price some are always ready to do the tickling.

The early gospel preachers were totally committed to Jesus Christ. These godly ministers of the gospel were imprisoned, beaten, stoned, suffered hunger and thirst, did not have enough clothes and were put to death. This took conviction and faith in God Almighty. There was little financial gain in preaching because the early Christians were poor in this world’s goods and suffering persecution. These godly ministers were prepared and called from “real life.” They were not hot house plants sitting in their air conditioned studies drawing a big salary. They had trades and had worked in the marketplace. It was according to the will of God for their material needs to be met by the disciples; however, they were not owned by any man or group of men. They were not hired to preach and were not employees of any church organization. They belonged to the Lord. No elder or eldership controlled them. They served God not men. If support failed they could and did make a living. Peter could fish, Paul and Apollos could build tents.

 Modern Hirelings

Contrast our modern “preacher system” with these early men of God. There is no persecution. The average preacher fares well financially ( AND OFTEN WANT MORE AND MORE TOO) They have a “professional” job for which they are hired by a board of Elders. They are professional preachers. Cled E. Wallace saw this problem developing 40 years ago. Cled noted that J.N. Armstrong (founder and President of Harding College) never meant “to develop an institution that would manufacture and turn out, professional preachers… But he (Armstrong) said that the colleges are turning out a class of professional preachers. And professional preachers are a good deal like professional politicians, they don’t always lead, they follow. They sometimes, and often, put their ear to the ground and find out what people want, and give them what they want. You know, there is a professionalism about it that takes away that individual reservedness of character that has courage and persistence and fearlessness as its main characteristics. A man who preaches the gospel because he loves it and because he loves the church, will preach it regardless of circumstances. If he is paid he will preach it and if he is not he will preach it anyhow.” (1)

 

Our modern professional system demands that “our” ministers go to “our colleges.” J.D. Tant saw the problem this way: “If a Bible college is essential to being a gospel preacher I wonder why Christ went to the Sea of Galilee to get his preachers instead of to the great college at Athens?” (2) Our “system” is patterned after the Catholics and the denominations. The only difference between the Catholics and us is they call their clergy “Father” and put him in a dress. We call our preachers “Brother” and let him wear a suit. (The suit is just a matter of the Elders’ judgement and if trends continue as they are, preachers would do well to keep their dress sizes on file!) We separate “our” preachers from the people. We send them through special programs and schools. They, often, are not a part of “real life.” They know nothing of the struggles of the factory worker, businessman or laborer. Over 100 years ago the pioneer preacher Ben Franklin wrote of preachers in this situation:

“They have not the knowledge of the world, the ways and manners of the people to do it [preach]. They know nothing of the toils, hardships, and burdens, of the masses of mankind; are incompetent to sympathize with them, mingle with them, become a fellow creature with them, and preach the Gospel of Salvation to them, in an acceptable and successful manner and save them. They not only are wholly incompetent, incapable, and could not, if they would; but it is not their atmosphere, not their congenial sphere, and they never will do the work in the Lord’s great Evangelical field. They never have done the work, and never will.” (3)

This system will lull the members to sleep and the work will remain undone.

Cled Wallace summarized it this way:

“Professionalism in preaching. That doesn’t mean that a man who preaches ought not to be prepared, ought not to be educated…but you can take a professionally minded young man, put him through college and put him through ‘seminary’ — we call ours ‘department of religion’ — but you can put him through, put a scissor tailed coat on him, give him as many degrees as a thermometer, turn him loose, and there’ll be some ‘ignoramus’ rise right out from behind a bush somewhere, out in the country, and preach circles all around him. And that doesn’t mean that education is a bad thing, it just simply means that there is something to preaching that you can’t get unless you know the Book, unless you love the Lord, and unless you feel a good deal like Paul did when he said, ‘Woe is me if I preach not the gospel’.” (4)

What About Your Preacher?

Is he of “the spirit of Elijah?” Does he have the power of Paul and boldness of Peter? Does he have the character of those worthies of old time who were “stoned” and “sawn asunder, they were tempted, they were slain with the sword: they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins: being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated (of whom the world was not worthy)?” If this describes your congregation’s preacher then he is in the “minority” and should be supported spiritually and materially…with generosity. This is a man who cares for and loves the sheep. His motivation, like the worthies of old, is not material. This kind of man is looking for a city whose builder and maker is God. This man belongs to the Lord and is His servant alone. Let us pray fervently that God will raise up for His use men (and women) of this character.

1. The Bible Banner, Sept. 1948, page 5.

2. The Firm Foundation, Sept. 23, 1947, page 3.

3. Book of Gems, page 127-128.

4. The Bible Banner, Sept. 1948, page 5.

 

 

The unfortunate facts of life

Wrongful inactions, Cover ups, False denial of bad politicians, bad cops, bad persons, false pastors, false priests are much too common but nevertheless they do get exposed, revealed to all as to what they are often now like  too, and get what they deserve, and not the first or last time.

Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty still serves as a rightful deterrent example to all and is still one of the best approaches on how to deal with the evil persons. Even the Bible records openly the unrepentant sins of many persons and their real  negative consequences. Too many of the preachers are unacceptably also guilty of preaching “Do what I say and not what I do still too”.

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/no-one-is-above-the-law/

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(Hosea 10:2 KJV)  Their heart is divided; now shall they be found faulty: he shall break down their altars, he shall spoil their images.
 
Canada -Tory MP who led anti-drug campaign charged with cocaine possession   The former chairman of the Conservative caucus who was featured in anti-drug campaign ads is facing charges of cocaine possession and drunk driving. Prime Minister Stephen Harper named Jaffer chairman of the Conservative caucus shortly after the 2006 general election. Jaffer, 37, was MP for the riding of Edmonton-Strathcona from 1997 until a surprise defeat in last year’s election to the NDP’s Linda Duncan. Jaffer recently worked for Green Power Generation Corporation, which helps bring alternative energy technologies to market.“ The Conservative party supports drug-free schools and getting tough on drug dealers who sell illegal drugs to children. Don’t let our schools go up in smoke.” perverse Rahim Jaffer This  Former Edmonton Conservative MP Rahim Jaffer is facing charges of drunk driving and cocaine possession. Jaffer, husband of Tory MP Helena Geurgis, was arrested just after midnight last Thursday night by Ontario Provincial Police in Palgrave, north of Toronto. He has been charged with driving while over the legal blood-alcohol limit, and with possession of cocaine. His licence has been suspended for 90 days and he is to appear in court in Orangeville, Ont., on Oct. 19.  Hey I have already many times written that Alcohol is also a big part of many a Conservative politicians life, and I  wanted to know how many of them now were alcoholics too.. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/drink-alcohol-and-die/ 

VANCOUVER — A $5 million legal bill for defending a religious order against charges of sexual abuse has landed a B.C. senator in hot water. Sen. Mobina Jaffer, a Liberal appointment to Canada’s upper chamber, must undergo a conduct review, the Law Society of B.C. announced Tuesday. The Order of the Oblates of Mary Immaculate sued Jaffer, her son Azool Jaffer-Jeraj and their firm, accusing them of overbilling the order for legal work done from 2000 to 2004. The lawsuit was settled before it went to trial.  Now the case will proceed to a conduct review. “Undergoing a conduct review is a serious matter for any lawyer,” said Stuart Cameron, the society’s director of discipline.   Ms. Mobina Jaffer was appointed as a Senator to represent British Columbia in June of 2001.  Having been born in Uganda, and trained in law in Britain she had a  career as a lawyer and was active on many legal and charitable foundations, as well as being involved in local politics.  She was the first Muslim ever appointed to the Senate and the first African-born as well. Ms. Jaffer is the deputy chair of the Senate Committee for Human Rights and also sits on the Committees for Official Languages, Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration and the joint committee for the Library of Parliament. Anyone checked her Senate expense accounts yet too? http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/one-of-harpers-boys-in-trouble/

PQ calls for tougher ethics rules. Parti Québécois Leader Pauline Marois says David Whissell should also step down as a member of the national assembly. So yeah, Ms. Marois, about your mansion on Ile Bizard… One day after Quebec’s labour minister resigned from cabinet over his controversial stake in an asphalting firm,  http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/09/10/pq-ethics-whissell.html

Do what I say over do what I do is part of the hypocrisy now existing too often too at all levels, federal, provincial, municipal and not just in many preacher’s lives now as well..
        
MEANWHILE  Taiwan ex-leader jailed for life BBC News  Taiwan’s former President Chen Shui-bian has been sentenced to life in prison after being found guilty of corruption by a court in Taipei. Mr Chen was charged with embezzlement, taking bribes and money laundering, involving a total of $15m (£9m) while in office from 2000-2008. His wife, Wu Shu-chen, already jailed for perjury in the case, was also sentenced to life for corruption.  The two were accused of embezzling $3.15m (£1.9m) from a special presidential fund and laundering it through Swiss banks.  They were also accused of accepting at least $9m in bribes from a Taiwanese company to help it sell a piece of land to the government and of accepting nearly $3m more in kickbacks for helping a contractor gain a government project.  Mrs Wu had been sentenced on 2 September to one year in prison for perjury for asking her children to lie in court. Nine other accused, including Mr Chen’s son and daughter-in-law, have pleaded guilty to some charges related to the case. 
  
A Peruvian court has sentenced former President Alberto Fujimori to six years in prison after he pleaded guilty to authorizing wiretaps and bribes to politicians, journalists and businessmen. “   No such thing as justice in Canada– at least, not as far as our politicians are concerned.  ”   http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/09/30/peru-fujimori-bribe-wiretap-sentence.html
    
One of the highest ranking Taliban officials in Pakistan has been arrested with four other militants in the country’s north-west, officials say. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8249869.stm

Sep 10, 6:12 AM CP  HALIFAX, N.S. – A judge in Nova Scotia will begin hearing arguments today on whether to certify a class-action suit against the Roman Catholic church over the alleged sexual abuse of children by its priests.  John MacKiggan, a lawyer representing the claimants, says he will present arguments to a Supreme Court justice over the alleged decades-old abuse in the diocese of Antigonish.    The lawsuit was launched last year by Ronald Martin, whose brother wrote a suicide note in 2002 that led to charges of sex crimes against a priest from the diocese. In the suit, Martin claimed the diocese failed to protect children in its care when it became aware of the alleged abuse. The church reached a proposed settlement with the plaintiffs last month, but it has to be certified by the court. The judge also has to approve the proposed settlement of more than $13 million, which would be available to people who were allegedly sexually assaulted by any priest of the Catholic Episcopal Corp. of Antigonish since Jan. 1, 1950. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090910/national/ns_diocese_lawsuit

 

Former N.S. bishop charged with possession of child porn.  Raymond Lahey, the former bishop of the diocese of Antigonish, is known as the man who oversaw a $15-million settlement with people who said they had been sexually abused by priests in the diocese dating back to 1950. He was arrested at the Ottawa Airport last week after members of the Canada Border Services Agency performed a random check of his laptop computer. Lahey has been charged with distributing and selling child pornography.  On Saturday, Lahey, 69, announced his resignation as bishop of the Antigonish diocese. In a letter to parishioners, he said he needed time for “personal renewal.” http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2009/09/30/ns-bishop-charged.html

 
 
and what some fool in false denial would try to sayto me next  that we  cannot judge what others say, do,  write still too?
 
(Prov 27:5 KJV)  Open rebuke is better than secret love.
 
 
 
Do see also
Bad pastors, bad elders, bad cops, bad politicians  continue to exist  cause likely their supporters are  bad too.  (Jer 5:31 KJV)  The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
 

 

Bad people try to do many things.. if others let them do it as well..
   

You cannot judge me

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1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Timothy 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
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Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
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You cannot judge me! Judge not.. I Like those hypocrite who never read the Bible and quote falsely a verse out of the Bible like do not judge others, but they still do judge me when they quoted the verse too.. but yet hypocritically you dare to judge me yourself.. why is that? you personally do not practice the Bible? and clearly still do not practice what you preach to me, others?
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The blind accuser of me, clearly rather the ignorant fool cannot see his own, always still justifiable now too according to him, sin , wrong doing is now still so ready to take on other people sins, but this act of his still will not make his own wrong doings go away ehhh.. He clearly even shows to many his own ignorance in the Bible and his lack of practise in reality, for the Bible does not now forbid judging all others, otherwise why would the fool himself try to do it?
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Was firstly your own exemplary meekness, real love evident or only STILL your false condemnation now of me, and any others? (Prov 27:5 KJV) Open rebuke is better than secret love.
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The Bible forbids only the unrighteous judgment, had you really read it now you would have known that too… do you pick the parts of the Bible you like only or do you apply all the parts of the Bible to yourself firstly such as
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Apostle Paul said he was, is the chief of sinners himself.. “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief .“—I Tim. 1:15 the same Apostle Paul who now also judged and rebuked apostle Peter for his sin as well .The Record of the Apostle Paul Rebuking Peter Galatians 2:11-21 , Apostle Paul Rebuking Peter, Because Peter Was Wrongly Treating the Gentile Believers as Second-class Citizens (Gal 2:11 KJV) But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. so you also not longer respect apostle Peter as well because he continually also now sinned while following the Lord Jesus? (Mark 14:72 KJV) And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shall deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.
Webster’s defines the act of judging as “to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises.” The problem arises because judging can be subjective. In other words, your judgments are based firstly on your own perceptions, motives, and understandings. This is why two people can judge the exact same situation and come up with different determinations. Did you with Katherine Khulman, examine her whole life, what she lived, preached, taught or just by one bad past act of her you condemned her falsely? Since the judgments of man are therefore rooted in the “opinions” of man or of a women, no man’s judgments can be taken as absolute or complete truth. What did God tell you now about her himself? Jesus was able to hear God’s words to pronounce God’s judgments. “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” (John 7:24). We must have our will in full subjection to God’s which enables us to know God’s own words on every subject and allows us to be sent by God to others with His message. Or did you now even bother to pray to him about her before you ran away with your condemnations? The Word of God says that God enables man to judge righteously, commands man to judge righteously too, and is pleased with those who seek to judge righteously . The fact that the desire to judge righteously is highly esteemed by God. King Solomon asks, “Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?” We are also told not to judge according to appearances or by the flesh (John 7:24; John 8:15; James 2:1-4).
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 This means that sound judgment cannot be based on what we see, hear, or think. Since God’s thoughts and ways are are higher than ours, He is not bound by our perceptions, opinions, or prejudices. This again is a confirmation that God alone is The Judge. Our judgments must therefore be based in His direct words to us in order for them to be true. So how is your real, direct communication now with God, does he talk and commune with you in all things?
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The Bible forbids only the unrighteous judgment,
I Corinthians 11:31-32 that we judge ourselves first so that we will not be judged
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(II Chronicles 19:6) “…Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment.”
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A  false “accuser of the brethren.” is evident by ones clear absence of real love for them too.
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(Prov 31:8 KJV) Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. 9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.
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(1 Cor 5:12 KJV) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
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(1 Cor 6:2 KJV) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
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1 Cor 6:5 KJV) I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
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(1 Cor 10:15 KJV) I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
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(1 Cor 14:29 KJV) Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
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(1 Cor 14:40 KJV) Let all things be done decently and in order. and “Whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus” (Colossians 3:17).
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Galatians 6 1 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
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It is always evident that the mostly still liars, people claiming to be good persons, who try to enforce the one way rules on others, those even they do not practice, are still just liars and hypocrites.. and of course they do not want you to judge them, to know and expose this to any others..
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But a person is known by the company they keep.. One having  bad company leads to one going to hell too.. tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are now.. a person is also know by what he does, and the values he or she have.. some people have bad values, some people falsely go extreme with good values..
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Now real Biblical repentance evident and it includes s admitting one sins to God, stopping and consciously turning away from them, turning back toward God,  and personally accepting Jesus Christ finished work, forgiveness for them. True repentance is confession, contrition,   change; replacement and it involves the whole person, Our Body, Soul, Spirit. It is also  a personal, ongoing event. It is visible to all now too..
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Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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 (Rev 18:4 KJV)  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (Rev 18:5 KJV)  For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.  
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Mat 7:16  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
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Mat 7:19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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(1 John 2:15 KJV)  Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.  16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17    And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
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2 Cor 6:14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2 Cor 7:1  Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 
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Eph 5:11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. “
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But who am I to say? I’m not his judge”???
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If you yourself now cannot judge what people are like so how can you see the devil then too?
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You yourself are not Holy Spirit filled even then.. one needs to deal with that firstly.. Of course the devil does not want you to have the gift of discernments  of Spirits.. if the devil cannot get at you personally he will next come to you directly in the form of a bother, sister even, a person.. (2 Cor 2:11 KJV)  Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
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There is no such thing as living in a world in which individuals are not being judged by others for the actions that they take or what they say. Making a statement such as, “you cannot judge me”, is ludicrous.  A Christian person still can judge another Christian’s individual’s behavior or actions, writings, speech but not the intent of any individual’s heart. Only God can do that.. But God alone will judge the non Christians, not us, and we cannot judge what other people do eat as being right or wrong.
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Had you read your Bible seriously you would have known all this this 
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(1 Cor 4:21 KJV) What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?
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Prov 27:5  Open rebuke is better than secret love.
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Rev 3:19  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
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Hey I point something out to a net poster, or a church goer, and he goes haywire.. such as when I honestly, lovingly say as “how can you go to a Christian Church and really, obviously still do not know God, Jesus, the Holy spirit personally”? now have you also experienced that? I have too often for my liking the last 4 decades even.. I am nice to the good persons and the bad person gets what he deserves..
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When we do not like to be rebuked. Revenge and anger tends to amplify our worst  tendencies but we all do need a  stark reminder that all persons now are still  responsible, can be and will be accountable  for what they do, say, in churches, in the open, online or  otherwise. Pastors, elders, individuals included.
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I too do not spoil or baby him, like his mother or someone else likely did .. ehh..  and next he gets really upset, he cannot accept any rebuke, critics, advice.. he gets easily angry, revengeful persons and so on and claims he is a real born again Christian but resorts to a hot temper, to slanders, lies, distortions, fighting, threats, blackmail..  .. so where are, were  their own  fruit of the Holy Spirit?  
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Hey I admit it I dislike those evident  show off, competitive posters, preachers  rather  those still novices, who want to ASAP preach to everyone else, clearly still  not led by the holy spirit, because we the older ones can tell how little they still really do know.. .. it seems they do need their diapers still changed.. “crap”… by the way they do also  often next get really upset and tell me that a man of God does not speak that way to anyone.. they are ignorant of how all the Prophets spoke in the Old Testament Bible.. they also did not use sweet sounding words, pleasant phrases.. God does not spoil us too.. he may be a good of love but he is never ever  dumb, unwise.. I am nice to the good persons and the bad person gets what he deserves..
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(Mat 11:16 KJV)  But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
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Bad Pastors, bad deacons, bad elders = bad church

 

 
>>“Do you know of any churches where the elders willingly present themselves before the church on a regular basis”
 
yes I have met good functioning elders and bad ones as well..
 
As to “in love submit one to another”…
 
According to my reading of the scriptures the term Pastor is always plural, not singular,  meaning there are too be many pastors in any local church, and pastors also equally, mutally  do have to submit to the gifted elders, who are the apostles- missionaries and prophets- all appointed by  God as his spokesman – the NT Greek verb is continually present- meaning God continues to give these men ( or women – such as Junia note worthy amongst the apostles) unto the church now as well , but  today most evangelical pastors tend to deny the existance of these God ordained, given offices even today,  even firstly because they themselves are rebels, those  who wrongfully refuse to submit to other’s for always submission is mutal- meaning reciprocal.. and also do note this it is still voluntarily, unenforceable.. Dictatorial pastors tend to be ungoldy persons still.
 
(Gal 5:19 KJV)  Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20  Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24  And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26  Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
 
(Deu 31:27 KJV)  For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?
 
I heard firsthand one teenager saying to another teenager  , “I cannot trust you, you lie to me all the time” and this next had made me reflect upon the reality that the average person lies 3 times in every ten minutes of conversation, and it also reminded me with my past years of undeniable dealing with Bell related to my internet download problems, they too had  lied to me all the time, by not admitting the truth first that there was a problem, nor next honestly admitting the cause of the problem. It seems that spin doctoring, misleading, lying to others is a very major part of not just the lawyers, used car salesmen, but a regular part of the sales, advertising, corporate way of doing business with consumers these days Canada wide now as well.   http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/why-many-businesses-fail/
 
It seems also that lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, pornography, alcoholism, slander, gossiping, etc.,  is something that  too many pastors also cannot give up on these  days too. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/a-hireling-in-an-evangelical-church/
 
Now it was interesting I had met this really crooked head elder and head deacon in a Baptist church, not just in the Pentecostal churches, where there too their elders and deacons, tend to be pretentious ones   ( for when was the last time you saw an elder giving food, money to the poor persons in the church as was done in the book of Acts?) .. even such as the one who was an elder and owned a bar that served alcohol of all things, and who borrowed money from others in the church for his business and then refused to pay it back too, he also next ran to be a local politicans but lost now.. .. and told me if I come to his church he would call the police against me, but  the same bad church I next rather had  helped to close down permanently , for I  had the federal government remove their tax exempt license  after I had exposed in writing to  news editors, elected officials too  their much too many unacceptable abuses, money thefts, slanders, etc.,
  
Now  a Baptist pastor had cheated, for he had short circuited the elders, deacons church selection process, he had the nominating committee first, before any  selection submit the names to him for his prior approval of their supposedly spiritual qualifications and he thus by thes emans had elected his bad friends.. one Sunday evening as I was leaving the church and shaking hands with the pastor, he unexpectedly said to me ” this is my church and if you do not like it get out”.. shocked and surprised I said to the pastor if I have offended you let me meet you now this week Tuesday night and you can bring any two witnesses you want as well and we can discuss the matter. So he agreed and I knew that he would bring the head elder and the head deacons.. as I walked into the pastor’s office on Tuesday day night, the founding church pastor said immediately to me wipe the smirk of your face.. so I immediately said.. hey pastor let us also now make this quick, “Did you or did you not say to me this is my church and if you do not like it get out?” And  you should have seen the shock on the deacon and elder’s faces. The pastor seeing this too next said you cannot hear any charges from this man for I am a senior and if you listen to him I will resign. I said “Pastor if you want to resign, do so, but cut of the emotional black main and answer the question”.. he resigned instead, and became a life insurance salesman rather next..
 
But now I still had a problem with the crooked head elder of South Calgary Community Church   so I tried to first talk to him about his immoral acts and lack of spirituality, he admitted to me that he had no time to read the Bible even.. but it was useless to talk to him for he laughed me off. So next the elder came to see me and said “you know when you told everyone about my lack of spirituality it did not bother me, it was your word against mine, but when you next had put it in writing to all to see it hurt”.. and I said back to him.. “is that what it takes to cause you to rightfully repent?” seems people tend to believe the truth only if it is in wring these days.. and ever since that day I have also next been posting unacceptable, unrepented of sins of many, many a bad  pastors and elder on the  net but  few of them next repented, less than 5 percent next, some of them even moved rather out of town instead.. and many were rightfully fired next. The next few churches I went to now were not any better..
   
(Gal 6:1 KJV)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
 
(Gal 6:2 KJV)  Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
 
(Gal 6:3 KJV)  For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
 
(Gal 6:4 KJV)  But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
 
(Gal 6:5 KJV)  For every man shall bear his own burden.
 
(Gal 6:7 KJV)  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
 
(Gal 6:8 KJV)  For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
 
(Gal 6:9 KJV)  And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
 
(Gal 6:10 KJV)  As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
 
(Lev 19:17 KJV)  Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
 
(Psa 104:7 KJV)  At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
 
(Prov 9:8 KJV)  Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
 
(Prov 13:1 KJV)  A wise son heareth his father’s instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.
 
(Prov 24:25 KJV)  But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.
 
(Prov 27:5 KJV)  Open rebuke is better than secret love.
 
(Eccl 7:5 KJV)  It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.
 
(Isa 66:15 KJV)  For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
 
(Jer 15:15 KJV)  O LORD, thou knowest: remember me, and visit me, and revenge me of my persecutors; take me not away in thy longsuffering: know that for thy sake I have suffered rebuke.
 
(Luke 17:3 KJV)  Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
 
(Phil 2:15 KJV)  That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
 
(1 Tim 5:1 KJV)  Rebuke not an elder, but entreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
 
(1 Tim 5:20 KJV)  Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
 
(2 Tim 4:2 KJV)  Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
 
(Titus 1:13 KJV)  This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
 
(Titus 2:15 KJV)  These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
 
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 
Now can a bad pastor rightfully  fire a good or bad deacon, meaning often a non functioningg , pretentious elder?
 
Bad people try to do many things.. if others let them do it as well..
 
Bad pastors, bad elders continue to exist  cause likely the congregation is bad too.  (Jer 5:31 KJV)  The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
 
I have yet to see a Bible verse saying the local church is solely to be run by one man, one pastor too.. for that matter! and not the elders of that Church..
 
 
 
We all do even  need to seriously know, differentiate between how God now deals with the wicked, those persons deliberately disobedient to him, he God does not go along with them for sure .. God’s grace of forgiveness even does not extend to everyone..
 
and next the righteous those people who put their trust in him.. God is merciful, kind to them, but not all professing Christians now are righteous for sure as well.
 
  
Here also  is what I know for sure in Canada proper policing, management ,  supervision  human rights commissions are a real fact of life, society, in schools, life,  in churches, governments, commerce, institutions, civil and public services, professional services too,  and elsewhere, even on the net,  for you will always have those 30 percent at least of the persons who will try to cheat, lie  , steal, bend the rules, falsely believe they are above the laws, Self  regulation alone is too often pretentious, farcical, often not applied as well. That applies especially to the professionals, civil and public services, police, municipalities, politicians now as well..
 
I was really, really surprised as to how many persons lie, are being lied to in life, in churches..
 

(Josh 22:22 KJV)  The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion, or if in transgression against the LORD, (save us not this day,)

(1 Sam 15:23 KJV)  For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

(Prov 17:11 KJV)  An evil man seeketh only rebellion: therefore a cruel messenger shall be sent against him.

(Jer 28:16 KJV)  Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD.

(Jer 29:32 KJV)  Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will punish Shemaiah the Nehelamite, and his seed: he shall not have a man to dwell among this people; neither shall he behold the good that I will do for my people, saith the LORD; because he hath taught rebellion against the LORD.

 (Jer 6:27 KJV)  I have set thee for a tower and a fortress among my people, that thou mayest know and try their way. 28  They are all grievous revolters, walking with slanders: they are brass and iron; they are all corrupters. 29  The bellows are burned, the lead is consumed of the fire; the founder melteth in vain: for the wicked are not plucked away. 30  Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.