LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD MEETS PINOCCHIO IN CHURCH

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NO  ONE HAD WARNED ME BASICALLY IN REAL LIFE  THAT I WOULD HAVE TO NEXT TOO OFTEN LEARN HOW TO RECOGNIZE THE SHEEP FROM THE WOLVES,   EVEN IN THE MUCH TOO MANY BAD CHURCHES NOW AS WELL. 

TO ME ONCE THE LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD WAS JUST ANOTHER CHILDISH BED TIME STORY AND NOT REAL LIFE. NOR DID I ENVISAGE IN REAL LIFE THAT THERE ARE SO MANY LYING PINOCCHIOS NOT JUST WOLVES ABOUNDING EVEN IN THE CHRISTIAN  CHURCHES. 
 
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THE CHURCH THESE DAYS NOW TOO OFTEN HAS BECOME  MONEY GATHERING SOCIAL CLUBS MADE OF UP OF MOSTLY  RICH, OR PAID UP MEMBERS, ALL TRYING TO IMPRESS THE OTHERS, ALL MOSTLY TRYING TO LOOK GOOD BEFORE THE OTHERS.  NOT RATHER BEING A LEGITIMATE INSTITUTION  RIGHTFULLY HELPING THE SINNERS TO GET STRAIGHTENED AND ALSO HELPING ALL OF  THE POOR AND NEEDY PERSON THERE TOO.
 
 I WAS IN A LOCAL EVANGELICAL PENTECOSTAL CHURCH WHERE THE PASTOR HAD ASKED ONE OF THE PROMINENT CHURCH PERSONS TO SHARE HOW GOD WAS HELPING HIM TO MEET HIS GOALS  NOW IN LIFE..
 
I here was expecting spiritual, godly goals now.. but instead the divorced person now  shared that his main goals was finding a second wife and getting remarried, getting a good paying job, next buying a nice home and a nice car too.. Clearly I seem to have missed those supporting goals, related  Bible verses in the new testament for all of this in my Sunday School upbringing.. because they are not at all mention, or confirmed  there as being godly goals,, rather they are the too common secular goals many of us have.. and yes there is no promises of God that he would endeavor, next help us to meet this self centered goals. Do correct me if I am here wrong!!!
 
(Luke 8:14 KJV)  And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. 
 
 (1 Cor 7:29 KJV)  But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; 30   And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; 31   And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
 
(1 Cor 15:36 KJV)  Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
 
(Mat 19:23 KJV)  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. :24   And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
  
(James 1:11 KJV)  For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
 
(Luke 12:20 KJV)  But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? 12:21  So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.
 
(Mat 6:33 KJV)  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34    Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.  (Gal 2:10 KJV)  Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
 
(Eph 5:17 KJV)  Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18   And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
  

see also

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/bullies-free-speech/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/like-all-cults-mormons-do-tend-to-get-really-upset-when-you-question-their-own-beliefs/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/

http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/mormonism-vs-biblical-teachings-about-jesus/

http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/the-true-church-of-jesus-christ-2/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/to-the-bad-preacher/

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/unacceptable-pastors/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/get-real-now/

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/neither-give-place-to-the-devil/

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/the-true-church-of-jesus-christ/

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/as-to-why-some-have-left-their-church/ 

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/a-hireling-in-an-evangelical-church/

 
 

 

Never mind those in the false cults like Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses, etc..  

Latter Rain (Christian Church) Movement – The real latter day saints.. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/latter-rain/

Like all cults, Mormons do tend to get really upset when you question their own beliefs,

 
 Most Mormons think they are Christians. They use Christian words. They say they believe in Jesus and the Bible. They say they pray to God through Jesus. And they try to live good lives. But does God now speak to them even?  for they really are not Christians. Latter Rain (Christian Church) Movement – The real latter day saints.. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/latter-rain/   http://www.whatismormonism.com/
 
The truth is that Mormons are not Christians. They use Christian words but the words have non-Christian definitions. They believe in a Jesus, but the Jesus they believe in is not the Jesus of the Bible.   The Jesus of Mormonism differs from the Jesus of the Bible .The Jesus of the Mormonism Bible  is not the real Jesus of the real Bible.  See http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/mormonism-vs-biblical-teachings-about-jesus/
 
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 Like all cults, Mormons do tend to  get really upset when you question their own beliefs, and MORMONS WON’T TELL YOU initially
– that they believe your Church is wrong, that your Christian creeds are abomination to God, and that all of your pastors or Priest are a hireling of Satan.
–  that there is salvation only in their church  and that all others are wrong.
– that those who have been through their temples are wearing secret underwear to protect themselves from “evil”. This “evil” includes all non- Mormons like you.
–  about their secret temple rites at all. If they did, you for sure would spot them as non-Christians immediately.
–  that they think “familiar spirits” are good, and that their Book of Mormon has a “familiar spirit”. The Bible, Leviticus 19;31 says familiar spirits defile one, and are to be avoided at all costs.
– that women receive salvation only through their Mormon husbands, and must remain pregnant for all eternity. Men and women are not equal in God.
–  that they intend to be gods themselves some day, and are helping to earn their exaltation to godhood by talking to you.
–  that they intend to have many wives in heaven, carrying on multiple sex relations throughout eternity, until they have enough children to populate their own earth, so they can be “Heavenly Father” over their own planet!
–  that you were once a spirit-child of their heavenly father, and one of his numerous wives before you were born on earth.
–  that the Virgin Mary really wasn’t a virgin at all but had sex relations with their heavenly father to produce the Mormon version of Jesus Christ
–  that they believe the lie that Jesus had at least three wives and children while he was on this earth.
–  that the “heavenly father” they ask you to pray to with them, is really an exalted man that lives on a planet near the star base Kolob, and is not the Heavenly Father of the Bible at all. More Mormon lies.
–  that Jesus was really Lucifer’s brother in the spirit world, and it was only due to a “heavenly council” vote that Jesus became our redeemer instead of Satan!!
–  that there are over one hundred divisions in Mormonism. They conveniently “forget” this even while criticizing the many denominations within the body of Christ
–  that all their so- called scriptures such as the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants, and even their official “Mormon Doctrine” statements do often contradict each other on MAJOR doctrinal points. They claom the  King James Bible is likewise contradicted.
–  that the reason the Book of Mormon has no maps is because there is not one scrap of archaeological evidence to support it!
–  that the state of Utah, which is predominately Mormon, has a higher than the national average of wife-beating, child abuse, and teenage suicide.
 – that their prophet Joseph Smith was heavily involved in the occult when he founded Mormonism.
 – that that they encourage visitations from dead relatives from the “spirit world”, a practice forbidden in the Bible. (Deuteronomy 18:10- 12.)
– that there are many accounts of Joseph Smith’s first vision besides he one they present to you, and all are different
– that their secret temple oaths are based on the Scottish Rite Masons.
– that for years they considered the Negro race inferior, and even one drop of Negro blood prevented a person from entering their temple.
– that they expect Christ to return to their temple in Missouri, but they haven’t built the temple He’s supposed to return to, because they don’t own the property. (It is owned by the “Temple Lot Mormons” who have plans  of their own forr it’s use, and won’t let the Salt Lake City group buy it).
– that they consider your Bible to be untrustworthy and full of errors.
– that Jesus’ death on the cross only partially saves the believer.
– that now  according to Anton Lavey’s Satanic Bible, the demon god of the living dead is called “Mormo”. Is it just a coincidence that the Mormons are so concerned with the dead?
– that on their Salt Lake City Temple they prominently display an upside-down star which is a Satanic symbol known as the Goat’s head.. Why?
– that they believe the Archangel Michael came down to earth with several of his celestial wives, and became Adam in the garden of Eden.
– that that they believe the angel Gabriel came down to earth and became Noah in the days of the flood.
– that their Prophet Joseph Smith prophesied falsely many times. For example, he foretold the second coming of Christ for 1891. The Bible teaches that one false prophecy puts a prophet under death sentence. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).
– that their Prophet Joseph Smith did not die as a martyr as they claim, but was killed during a gun battle with an angry mob  in which he himself killed two men and wounded a third. The nob was upset he had abused their wives and money too. Joseph Smith was no saint at all.
– about the Mountain Meadows Massacre in which they brutally murdered an innocent wagon train of settlers, of over one hundred men, women, and most of the children, traveling through Utah.
– that Joseph Smith taught that there were inhabitants on the moon, and Brigham Young taught there were inhabitants on the sun as well!
 
WHY WON’T MORMONS TELL YOU THESE THINGS?
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the Mormons, are well aware that if these facts were known to the converts prior to their baptism, they would have very few converts! The Missionaries are well trained to keep most of these facts from their potential converts. Tragically, many decieved, seduced  Mormons may not even be fully aware of thefull  doctrines and history of their own church. Every statement on this page  is true. All Mormons are encouraged to check out their own publications for documentation of the above. After all, if the Mormon Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) has the truth, it can stand any amount of investigation.  

Documentation for many of these statements can be found at www.mrm.org   http://www.mmoutreach.org/mormon/articles/facts_mormon_wont_tell.htm   
 

Facts Mormons Won’t Tell You When They Call At Your Door Otherwise you likely would not even bother to talk to them

Mormonism

Still many persons today are under the false impression that Mormonism is merely another Christian denomination, when in actuality, Mormon beliefs are not only unbiblical, but anti-Christian. Below are the highlights of what Mormons believe concerning their source of authority, the Trinity, God, Christ, the Holy Spirit, sin, salvation, and heaven and hell:

1. Source of Authority. Mormonism teaches that the canon of Scripture was not closed when the Bible was completed. They have three sources in addition to the Bible, all of which they believe contain God’s revelations — the Book of Mormon 2 (changed in more than 4,000 places since 1830), Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. However, Mormons follow the teachings of these three books even when they contradict the Bible. For example, Mormonism teaches that the Bible is the Word of God “as far as it is translated correctly.” Then whenever a Mormon belief contradicts Scripture, the Mormons say that particular part of Scripture is translated incorrectly, and that the correct translation is in one of the Mormon scriptures (The Maze of Mormonism, p. 131). Thereby, the Bible is rejected as the infallible Word of God. [e.g. “The Bible is considered usable, but suspect due to its many errors and missing parts” (Articles of Faith No. 8, Ensign, January 1989, pp. 25, 27).

2. Trinity. Mormonism teaches polytheism (versus monotheism taught in the Bible), believing that the universe is inhabited by many gods who produce spirit children. Joseph Smith declared, “I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370). Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie spoke about the Godhead in this way, “Plurality of Gods: Three separate personages: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, comprise the Godhead. As each of these persons is a God, it is evident, from this standpoint alone, that a plurality of Gods exists. To us, speaking in the proper finite sense, these three are the only Gods we worship. But in addition there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods” (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 576-577).

3. God.  In Mormon theology, the god of our planet is believed to have once been a man on another planet, who through self-effort and the help of his own father-god, was appointed by a counsel of gods in the heavens to his high position as the god of planet Earth, and now has a physical, resurrected, glorified body. Mormonism teaches that through the atonement of Christ and by their good deeds and “holy” living, men can one day become gods, and with their multiplicity of “goddess wives,” populate their own planets. (This is what the celestial marriage and the Mormon temple vows are all about.) Mormon theology, therefore, humanizes God and deifies man.3

 
4. Christ. Mormonism acknowledges the divinity of Christ, but as noted above, Mormon doctrine on what constitutes divinity falls seriously short of the Biblical standard. Mormonism teaches that Jesus, Lucifer, and all the demons, as well as all mankind, are actually all spirit brothers and sisters, born in the spirit world as spirit babies to our man-god Heavenly Father and his goddess wives. Mormon leaders have consistently taught that God the Father (“Adam-god”) had sexual relations on earth with Mary (his own spirit daughter), to produce the physical body of Jesus. Early Mormon apostles also asserted that Christ was a polygamist, and that His wives included Mary and Martha (the sisters of Lazarus) and Mary Magdalene.4

5. Holy Spirit. In Mormonism, a distinction is drawn between the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit. As LDS Apostle Marion G. Romney stated: “The Holy Ghost is a person, a spirit, the third member of the Godhead” (Ensign, May 1977, pp. 43-44). The sixth LDS prophet, Joseph F. Smith, explains that the Holy Spirit is not a person but rather an impersonal force: “You may call it the Spirit of God, you may call it the influence of God’s intelligence, you may call it the substance of his power; no matter what it is called, it is the spirit of intelligence that permeates the universe” (Mormon Doctrine, McConkie, pp. 752-753).
 
6. Sin. In Mormon theology, it is not quite clear how the first humans, Adam and Eve, came to live on this earth and received bodies, but somehow they did and began the process of human procreation, whereby bodies are produced for their spirit children. But at the very beginning of the process of human generation, sin entered necessarily. The earthly bodies of Adam and Eve were intended to be immortal tabernacles for their spirits, “but it was necessary for them to possess through mortality and be redeemed through the sacrifice made by Jesus Christ that the fullness of life might come.” Therefore, they disobeyed God’s commands. Since the fall of man was necessary, it became necessary for men to disobey God in order to do His will. Adam’s fall, thereby, was a fall “upward.”5
Concerning the transmission of sin to Adam’s posterity, Mormons take a negative position — they believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression. Having rejected the doctrine of the imputation of the guilt of sin, Latter-Day Saints likewise repudiate the transmission of inherent corruption or original sin.
 
7. Salvation. Mormon theology teaches that the atonement of Christ was essential to our salvation and eternal life with God, but that it is not sufficient. Christ’s shed blood on the cross provides for universal resurrection of all people, but does not pay for personal sins; according to Mormonism, only Christ’s blood shed in the Garden of Gethsemane atones for personal sin. Besides faith in Christ, complete and permanent repentance of all sin as well as many good works are required. 6 Mormonism also teaches that one must be baptized in water to be saved (baptismal regeneration), and that salvation will also be available in the next world for those “missing-out” in this one. Therefore, Mormons avidly pursue genealogy and practice baptism for the dead.7

8. Heaven and Hell. Mormonism teaches that there are three degrees of glory: Celestial (for good Mormons able to cease sinning in this lifetime — see endnote #6 below), Terrestrial (for good people who do not comply with all the teachings of Mormonism), and Telestial (for those who have lived unclean earthly lives). (See also Mormon Doctrines, p. 348.) Mormonism teaches that there is a hell, but only for the “sons of perdition,” a very small number of souls that cannot be redeemed. According to Mormonism, then, the vast majority of mankind will be “saved,” though it should be obvious that no one will make it to the Celestial Kingdom. [Blacks used to be totally out of the equation: “Black people are black because of their misdeeds in the pre-existence” (Three Degrees of Glory, LDS Apostle Melvin J. Ballard, p. 21); “The Negro is an unfortunate man. He has been given a black skin. But that is nothing compared with that greater handicap. He is not permitted to receive the priesthood and the ordinances of the temple, necessary to prepare men and women to enter into and enjoy a fullness of glory in the Celestial Kingdom” (Elder George E. Richards). In 1978, however, the Mormon Church announced that God had lifted his curse from the African race.]
 
9. Temple Rituals. A typical temple ceremony would take place as follows: “The ritual began in a small cubicle where we had to strip completely. We then put on ‘the shield,’ a poncho with a hole for the head, but open on the sides (similar to a hospital gown). We went through a series of ‘washings and anointings,’ as various parts of our bodies were touched by elderly temple workers who mumbled appropriate incantations over them. Our Mormon underwear, ‘the garments,’ are said to have powers to protect us from ‘the evil one.’ It had occult markings, which were so ‘sacred’ that we were instructed to burn them when the garments wore out. The endowment ceremony mocked all doctrines held to by Biblical Christianity, and Christian pastors were portrayed as servants of Satan. We had to swear many blood oaths, promising we would forfeit our lives if we weren’t faithful, or if we revealed any of the secrets revealed to us in the temple ceremonies. We were made to pretend by grotesque gestures to cut our throats, chests, and abdomens, indicating how we would lose our lives. We were never told who would kill us! The inference was, and history testifies to, that it would be the Mormon priesthood.” (Testimony of a former Mormon.) [Note: The blood oaths and portrayal of Christian pastors were removed in April of 1990, despite the fact that the ordinance was purported to have been given originally by a revelation and was never to be changed.] http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/mormon.htm
 
The Book of Mormon  archaeologically, geographically and historically it always fails every test–The tragedy of it all is that when Mormons finally come to the truth that there is nothing acceptable to Mormonism, they often next wrongfully decide that all religion is a fraud. For many it is normal, hard to give up their Mormon culture and past friends now as a result. and especially a religion that wrongfully had helped them to feel better over  all the others, and had allowed them to earn their way to heaven, all sadly inflating their false pride, self ego.

The  Mormons do also attempt falsely still to obtin heavenly salvationby living  according to the Dispensation of their Laws. This apporach practice is contrary to the true Word of God , the New Testament, the only valid real new covenant, the gospel of Grace. The Apostle Paul was very critical of this bad practice of mixing any law and grace.

2 Corinthians 3:11-18 For if what is passing away [was] glorious, what remains [is] much more glorious. 12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech– 13 unlike Moses, [who] put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the [veil] is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

The Mormon Church teaches ALL other Churches are WRONG; ALL their creeds are an ABOMINATION in the sight of God; and ALL their teachers are CORRUPT. Rather they need to first look now at themselves and honestly too.. Cause the rest of the real Christians do tend to know still that they the Mormons are phony.. unreal.

 

 Whatever your situation, it is still absolutely critical you carefully follow Jesus’ instructions to make sure you are a real Christian:

1. All persons are sinners before God, as measured against GOD’S holiness.  See Book of Romans chapters 1-9.

2. Jesus Christ is God’s only Savior of the world – Acts 4:12.

3. You must personally come to, choose, and receive Jesus Christ as your own Savior.  Read the Gospel Book of John.

4. Dying without Jesus Christ as your very own personal Savior, means eternal punishment in hell. So now first Carefully study the New Testament of the Bible. John is good place to start.

 Second Corinthians 5 :17 states, “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

John 6:28 tells us “Then said Christ’s disciples unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent.”

Jesus is speaking in Luke 9:23, “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me”.

(2 Cor 1:9 KJV)  But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:

TRUE CHRISTIANS DO NOT TRUST, RELY ON WHAT OTHER MEN OR ANGELS EVEN SAY SAY, TEACH, BUT THEY RATHER TRUST ON GOD -JESUS-THE HOLY SPIRIT TO LEAD AND GUDE THEM IN ALL TRUTH, IN REAL LIFE TOO.

 do see also http://www.whatismormonism.com/

Disturbing Trend, Sensationalized Religious Postings, Bashings

 
Not the Whole truth, Not the Whole counsel  of God, A Disturbing Double Standard, the Ends do not justify the means, False logic, False approach, False,  CHURCH WARNINGS – False healing,   Demonic Ministry, Fraud , False Teacher , Demon  Possessed,  False Prophet, Outrageous  , Highly Inaccurate ,  Dangerous, Control Freaks, Abusers, Liars, SEDUCERS, SATAN FOLLOWERS, Distorters, Deceivers, Trouble Makers, Warned       

 
(Mark 13:12 KJV)  Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.  
    
(Luke 17:3 KJV)  Take heed to yourselves:
 

(Mat 7:3 KJV)  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
 
Matthew 18: 15 If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
  
UNDER WHATEVER GUISE ,  EXCUSE, FALSE JUSTIFICATIONS NOW TOO, THE WAY MANY FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELICAL AND SUPPOSEDLY PROFESSING CHRISTIAN CRITICS  TRY TO MAKE FUN AT OTHER CHRISTIANS ON THE NET, IN CHURCHES TOO  IS SICKENING, A VERY POOR THEOLOGY AND IS SADLY NOW ALSO TYPICAL OF THE MUCH TOO OFTEN FALSE BULLYING, BASHING OF THE OTHERS, OF THE CATHOLICS, THE PENTECOSTALS  TOO!
  
 It clearly makes me know that Satan himself is behind most of it still too and is ALL typical the acts of ungoldy persons themslves now..

If your brother sins against you go to your brother alone. But firstly in prayer to God, all done in  in love, in Meekness, humbleness, and NOT RATHER YOU trying to increase your internet rating, readership by making sinful sensationalized postings which itself is still hypocritical.. Especially when not all the supposedly objectionable replies to the sites now are even allowed to be posted as well

 
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/thou-considerest-not-the-beam-that-is-in-thine-own-eye/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/unbelievable-the-internet-control-freaks-false-spin-doctors/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/fundamental-evangelical-and-supposedly-professing-christian-critics/   

 

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/disturbing-trend-sensationalized-religious-postings/

My readers top topic of interest this year in preference order.

 

For the specific links please do see http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/popular-christian-based-readinsg-resources/

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-Healing Evangelist Todd Bentley
-Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Church dispute 
-Christian and Missionary Alliance Denomination dispute
-Class action suit against   dirty, bad  BCE, Sympatico 
 
-The too common abusive silent treatment 
-Verbal abuse is always unacceptable too.
Control freaks

-alcoholism the unacceptable sin 
– The Tithe 
-Exemplary versus Bad Church pastors, bad deacons, bad elders 
-Laying of hands, Impartation, Breathe  of the Holy spirit, Trinity, the anointing, Pentecostalism
 
-Great links, great Christian literature, Bible versed wallpapers
God can speak to us today in many ways? Hearing God!
Deliberate unforgiveness                       

 
-How many rich people in Calgary, Edmonton
-About me
-Messianic Judaism, Jews
    

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/

 
I have been on the net for over 2  decades, and I have thousands of readers regularly reading my posts.  Hey I too have often said that there are many professing bashers, bullies, liars now even on the Christian internet and they think they alone can make the rules, enforce the rules on others, and that is too bad for them too for  they need to grow up.. and to firstly get used to the right of free speech of others, other’s right to be heard and to male their own posts .. I only have about 30 internet sites written often for these bad hypocritical Christians now too  so hopefully they too will learn the truth about themselves.. too bad guys do not like me to use my right of free speech.. so what else is new.. they by their bullying, control freak approach clearly show to all what hypocritical Christians they rather are! They are not humble servants of Jesus for sure.
 
It is true that Christian Pentecostal pastors are too often as bad as the non Pentecostal Christian ones too..  55 percent of them seem to admit to adultery, and 70 percent of them counsel divorce, and God hates both of these sins still too. But now still God himself shows no partiality to anyone..
 
But the  discriminatory Baptist Sen. Charles Grassley clearly another  false Pentecostal basher and hater wrongfully did not agree to having all major evangelical pastors in the united Sates annually reviewed,   for tax evasions, misappropriations of funds chose  to review it seems only the  word of faith believing Christian Pentecostal preachers.. simply such unfair, unacceptable hypocritical demand of  his still now too..
 
 
 

Todd Bentley, someone has to say it to you..

Just cause 70 percent of pastors admitted to having done adultery  or counselling divorce, or 30 percent evangelcials commit   divorce does still not  mean any of them are getting away with any of it next too

And  why should I still  be so surprised that so many Chuuch Ministers too now are objectionably alcoholics and adulterers as well?

as I have said many times before, even since the Garden of Eden, the devil still lies about the truth and he still says to you that you will not die if you disobey God’s law.. and he does that about lusts, stealing, alcohol, adultery, divorce or whatever.. to keep the people in bondage in their wrongful sins.. but Adam and Eve still paid a price for their sins next, so do we all..
(John 4:37 KJV) And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. (Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.(Luke 12:57 KJV)  Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?
 
Mark 14:21 For the Son of Man is going as it stands written concerning Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good (profitable and wholesome) for that man if he had never been born.

Sadly too many martial relationships today follow  a very predictable pattern:

-The marriage partners  push their spouse for total commitment

-They try hard get mostly what they want

-They next too often even lose interest in the sex

-They next become attracted to someone else

-They start cheating with the someone else

-They become angry and resentful for the guilt they feel

-They begin telling their original partner, spouse that they need time apart

-They mostly blame their old partner, spouse for their behavior…and eventually, after making themselves and everyone around them miserable for an indefinite, but usually, a long period of time, they do end their relationships,  marriages.

Next even the new relationships and marriages will likely continue to follow this same pattern.

Evangelist Todd Bentley, who led a Pentecostal revival in Lakeland from a modest beginning to near-historic proportions, has filed for separation from his wife, Bentley and his wife had been undergoing marriage counseling for a few years.
 
Todd Bentley, the evangelist who has led the Florida Outpouring revival here in Lakeland since April 2, has filed for separation from his wife and might not return to the revival, according to his former local spokesperson, Lynne Breidenbach. She said Bentley made the announcement to his staff this afternoon. Bentley and his wife, Shonnah, have two daughters and a son and are Canadian citizens. Under Canadian law, separation is a first step in divorce proceedings and takes nine months.   http://religion.theledger.com/default.asp?item=2248784
 
“Undoubtedly the pressures and the burden of the Outpouring, which approaches 144 days on August 23rd, have helped to create an atmosphere of fatigue and stress that has exacerbated existing issues in their relationship,”
 
THIS situation IS all “very sad” but insisted it “doesn’t invalidate what GOD HAD DONE, NOT WHAT Todd did” at the revival.God uses fallen, flawed people.
 
(Psa 119:11 KJV)  Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
 
(1 Ki 8:46 KJV)  If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,)
 
(Eccl 7:20 KJV)  For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
 
(Ezek 3:21 KJV)  Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
 
(Rom 6:12 KJV)  Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
 
(1 John 1:9 KJV)  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 
(1 John 1:10 KJV)  If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
 
Now Are we ALL to judge  any of this ?
 
Apostle Paul clearly had confirmed  that  we are to judge  anyone within the Church, the body of Jesus Christ,  only..
 
(Luke 17:3 KJV)  Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
 
(Phil 2:15 KJV)  That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
 
(1 Tim 5:20 KJV)  Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
 
(2 Tim 4:2 KJV)  Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
 
(Titus 1:13 KJV)  This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
 
(Titus 2:15 KJV)  These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
 
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 
(Luke 12:58 KJV)  When thou goest with thine adversary to the magistrate, as thou art in the way, give diligence that thou mayest be delivered from him; lest he hale thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and the officer cast thee into prison.
 
(1 Cor 5:12 KJV)  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
 
(1 Cor 6:2 KJV)  Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
 
(1 Cor 6:3 KJV)  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
 
(1 Cor 6:4 KJV)  If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
 
(1 Cor 6:5 KJV)  I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
 
(1 Cor 11:31 KJV)  For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
 
(Heb 10:30 KJV)  For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
 
(Rom 7:1 KJV)  Know ye not, brethren  how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
 
(Rom 7:2 KJV)  For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3    So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
 
(Heb 13:4 KJV)  Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
 
“The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to the husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body; but the husband does. Likewise, the husband does not have authority over his own body; but the wife does” (Corinthians 7:3-5).
 
“Do not deprive one another except perhaps by agreement for a set time” (1 Cor 7:5). 
 
(Mal 2:14 KJV)  Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. 15   And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth. 16  For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
 
TODD BENTLEY BE OBEDIENT TO GOD AND DO WHATEVER IT TAKES. GOD HATES DIVORCE , ADULTERY  AND EVEN HYPOCRITES TOO. AND DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE IS NOT PERMISSIBLE FOR TWO PROFESSING CHRISTIANS WHILE BOTH OF THEM ARE ALIVE.   SO “Todd Bentley”   swallow your pride, your own lusts, goals, false desires  but now also still  be an EXAMPLE TO THE BODY OF JESUS CHRIST, love His church, his work, but now also still love your own wife.  AND WORK NOT ONLY TO BE A GOOD PREACHER BUT ALSO TO BE A GOOD HUSBAND, AND GOOD FATHER TO YOUR CHILDREN TOO .
 
see also
 
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/healing-todd-bentley-florda-lakeland-revival/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/the-problemed-family/
 http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/adultery/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/deliberate-unforgiveness/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-false-divorce-incentives/

Healing, Todd Bentley, Florda, Lakeland, Revival, Latter rain

Rev Todd Bentley showed us all this week too he was very normal person after all.. a sinner  like all of us too..
 
Why are so many people still obsessed with  fantasy, romance, divorce,  drugs, alcohol, even TV, movies, sex, pleasure, pornography.. for most of them personally it is an initial lazy,  false escapism approach from the too often real negative aspects of life that we firstly all tend to have, particularly due to our own unrepentant sins and due to also try to escape from Satan’s buffeting, harassment too….
 
the grass may appear greener in the neighbors yard cause you do not know what hardships they are facing now, the supposedly rich persons included. While God for his faithful few give them the grace to endure hardships and even to overcome them, we are all nevertheless bound to have trails and tribulations, hardships, all of us.. 
 
Instead of personally first learning how to use the Bible to oppose Satan, obtain peace in their own life, too many persons turn to the flesh..
 
The problem also  with the common graphic misrepresentation of the pleasure of sex but the reality is that even the Gays, lesbians, adulterers tend to have even more negative consequences, oppressions in their life to force them into deeper bondage with Satan.. Jesus sets us free from all that.
 
(Gal 5:16 KJV)  This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
 
Mark 10:19 You know the commandments: Do not kill, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, do not defraud, honor your father and mother. 
 
In the ongoing secular societies of today sex sins, specially sex outside of marriage, adultery  is personally still taken much too lightly, but these sins for Christians also do have real, serious negative consequences, the disapproval of God clearly indicated now in the Bible. In reality when one has indulged in adultery, one has tended to also simultaneously or previously indulged in many other unacceptable sins now too.  Over 55 percent of evangelical pastors have committed adultery now too in North America… and it is no wonder they wrongfully tend to counsel divorce too.
 
The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein. (Proverbs 22:14 KJV)
 
Mark 12:24 Jesus said to them, Is not this where you wander out of the way {and} go wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?
  
Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, The first {and} principal {one of all commands} is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord; 30 And you shall love the Lord your God out of {and} with your whole heart and out of {and} with all your soul (your life) and out of {and} with all your mind (with your faculty of thought and your moral understanding) and out of {and} with all your strength. {This is the first and principal commandment.} 31 The second {is like it and} is this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these. 
  
Some persons absurdly say even that “Pentecostals are not Christians” they are clearly ignorant  persons, ignorant of the Bible itself, ignorant of the Holy Spirit ‘s teaching, leading as well, ignorant sadly even of Jesus Christ himself.

I find it so remarkable too even these days that many of the Christian critics comments about the Lakeland revival, the latter rain movement,  and Todd Bentley that I have read on the net are now also very similar, even similarly maliciously too, as  to what the  other past critics, note the professing religious ones now too,  had said about Jesus and his own revival, Ministry too.. but why should it be so amazing for it is the same Devil, demons who inspire many of them continually to us all too.
 
Mark 3:21 And when those who belonged to Him (His kinsmen) heard it, they went out to take Him by force, for they kept saying, He is out of His mind (beside Himself, deranged)!
 
Mark 3:22 And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, He is possessed by Beelzebub, and, By [the help of] the prince of demons He is casting out demons.
Mark 3:23 And He summoned them to Him and said to them in parables (illustrations or comparisons put beside truths to explain them), How can Satan drive out Satan?
Mark 3:24 And if a kingdom is divided {and} rebelling against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mark 3:25 And if a house is divided (split into factions and rebelling) against itself, that house will not be able to last.
Mark 3:26 And if Satan has raised an insurrection against himself and is divided, he cannot stand but is [surely] coming to an end.
Mark 3:27 But no one can go into a strong man’s house and ransack his household goods right and left {and} seize them as plunder unless he first binds the strong man; then indeed he may [thoroughly] plunder his house.
Mark 3:28 Truly {and} solemnly I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever abusive {and} blasphemous things they utter;
Mark 3:29 But whoever speaks abusively against {or} maliciously misrepresents the Holy Spirit can never get forgiveness, but is guilty of {and} is in the grasp of an everlasting trespass.
Mark 3:30 For they persisted in saying, He has an unclean spirit.
 
Mark 10:39 And they replied to Him, We are able. And Jesus told them, The cup that I drink you will drink, and you will be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized,
Jesus himself said that not everyone would even believe the same amount even with the same truth they had received..
 
Mark 4:14 The sower sows the Word.
Mark 4:15 The ones along the path are those who have the Word sown [in their hearts], but when they hear, Satan comes at once and [by force] takes away the message which is sown in them.
Mark 4:16 And in the same way the ones sown upon stony ground are those who, when they hear the Word, at once receive {and} accept {and} welcome it with joy;
Mark 4:17 And they have no real root in themselves, and so they endure for a little while; then when trouble or persecution arises on account of the Word, they immediately are offended (become displeased, indignant, resentful) {and} they stumble {and} fall away.
Mark 4:18 And the ones sown among the thorns are others who hear the Word;
Mark 4:19 Then the cares {and} anxieties of the world {and} distractions of the age, and the pleasure {and} delight {and} false glamour {and} deceitfulness of riches, and the craving {and} passionate desire for other things creep in and choke {and} suffocate the Word, and it becomes fruitless.
Mark 4:20 And those sown on the good (well-adapted) soil are the ones who hear the Word and receive {and} accept {and} welcome it and bear fruit–some thirty times as much as was sown, some sixty times as much, and some [even] a hundred times as much.
Mark 4:21 And He said to them, Is the lamp brought in to be put under a peck measure or under a bed, and not [to be put] on the lampstand?
Mark 4:22 [Things are hidden temporarily only as a means to revelation.] For there is nothing hidden except to be revealed, nor is anything [temporarily] kept secret except in order that it may be made known.
Mark 4:23 If any man has ears to hear, let him be listening {and} let him perceive {and} comprehend.
Mark 4:24 And He said to them, Be careful what you are hearing. The measure [of thought and study] you give [to the truth you hear] will be the measure [of virtue and knowledge] that comes back to you–and more [besides] will be given to you {who hear.}
Mark 4:25 For to him who has will more be given; and from him who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away [by force],                        
 Mark 4:26 And He said, The kingdom of God is like a man who scatters seed upon the ground,
Mark 4:27 And then continues sleeping and rising night and day while the seed sprouts and grows {and} increases–he knows not how.
 
Sadly too many people wrongfully try to limit what God can and cannot do these days now as well.  
                     
King David’s wife did not support him fully, Job’s wife as well  but  so have the unsupportive wives of many other faithful Christian persons including John Bunyan now too. For that matter neither did Jesus own family now too.
 
 Mark 3:33 And He replied, Who are My mother and My brothers? 34 And looking around on those who sat in a circle about Him, He said, See! Here are My mother and My brothers; 35 For whoever does the things God wills is My brother and sister and mother!
 
Mark 10:52 And Jesus said to him, Go your way; your faith has healed you. And at once he received his sight and accompanied Jesus on the road.
 
Mark 4:39 And He arose and rebuked the wind and said to the sea, Hush now! Be still (muzzled)! And the wind ceased (sank to rest as if exhausted by its beating) and there was [immediately] a great calm (a perfect peacefulness). 40 He said to them, Why are you so timid {and} fearful? How is it that you have no faith (no firmly relying trust)?  41 And they were filled with great awe {and} feared exceedingly and said one to another, Who then is this, that even wind and sea obey Him?   
 
Mark 9:1 AND JESUS said to them, Truly {and} solemnly I say to you, there are some standing here who will in no way taste death before they see the kingdom of God come in [its] power.
  
Mark 9:7 And a cloud threw a shadow upon them, and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is My Son, the [most dearworthy] Beloved One. Be constantly listening to {and} obeying Him!
Mark 9:8 And looking around, they suddenly no longer saw anyone with them except Jesus only.
 
Mark 9:17 And one of the throng replied to Him, Teacher, I brought my son to You, for he has a dumb spirit.
Mark 9:18 And wherever it lays hold of him [so as to make him its own], it dashes him down {and} convulses him, and he foams [at the mouth] and grinds his teeth, {and} he [falls into a motionless stupor and] is wasting away. And I asked Your disciples to drive it out, and they were not able [to do it].
Mark 9:19 And He answered them, O unbelieving generation [without any faith]! How long shall I [have to do] with you? How long am I to bear with you? Bring him to Me.
Mark 9:33 And they arrived at Capernaum; and when [they were] in the house, He asked them, What were you discussing {and} arguing about on the road?
Mark 9:34 But they kept still, for on the road they had discussed {and} disputed with one another as to who was the greatest.
Mark 9:35 And He sat down and called the Twelve [apostles], and He said to them, If anyone desires to be first, he must be last of all, and servant of all.
Mark 9:36 And He took a little child and put him in the center of their group; and taking him in [His] arms, He said to them,
Mark 9:37 Whoever in My name {and} for My sake accepts {and} receives {and} welcomes one such child also accepts {and} receives {and} welcomes Me; and whoever so receives Me receives not only Me but Him Who sent Me.
Mark 9:38 John said to Him, Teacher, we saw a man who does not follow along with us driving out demons in Your name, and we forbade him to do it, because he is not one of our band [of Your disciples].
Mark 9:39 But Jesus said, Do not restrain {or} hinder {or} forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in My name will soon afterward be able to speak evil of Me.
Mark 9:40 For he who is not against us is for us.
Mark 9:41 For I tell you truly, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to {and} bear the name of Christ will by no means fail to get his reward.
Mark 9:42 And whoever causes one of these little ones (these believers) who acknowledge {and} cleave to Me to stumble {and} sin, it would be better (more profitable and wholesome) for him if a [huge] millstone were hung about his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.
 
Mark 9:49 For everyone shall be salted with fire.
 
Mark 9:50 Salt is good (beneficial), but if salt has lost its saltness, how will you restore [the saltness to] it? Have salt within yourselves, and be at peace {and} live in harmony with one another.
  
Now recently, this week with Todd Bentley’s divorce announcement,  I was reminded when I was  at a week long seminar decades ago and the preacher was preaching great and I admit I started to hero worship the preacher but on the last Friday afternoon session the preacher had preached some falsehood.. and I was drastically horrified, dismayed, as to how this could be, could his whole week’s teaching  now also be in error.  Next I prayed and asked God how could that be?  why did it occur? and God replied to me ” you had taken your eyes of me unto the preacher, and I had to show you what he, the preacher was really like.. many look up to man and not God.. we all need to focus solely on Jesus again and  always.. .and even to get  back to praying and fasting now too.
 
Todd Bentley reminds me we are all sinners, you and I included..
 
In the ongoing secular societies of today sex sins, specially sex outside of marriage, adultery  is personally still taken much too lightly, but these sins for Christians also do have real, serious negative consequences, the disapproval of God clearly indicated now in the Bible. In reality when one has indulged in adultery, one has tended to also simultaneously or previously indulged in many other unacceptable sins now too.  Over 55 percent of evangelical pastors have committed adultery now too in North America… and it is no wonder they wrongfully tend to counsel divorce too.
 
The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein. (Proverbs 22:14 KJV)
 
 Don’t even look at any “strange women.” If you do, you will utter perverse things.  Proverbs 23:33
 
(Exo 20:14 KJV)  Thou shalt not commit adultery.
 
Now for decades, I write about, deal with key political figures who are all to be exemplary as citizen paid employees too.., I observe their acts, responses to my letters.. and let me tell you that the really bad guys are so predicable and they make it easy for me to look further into what they are really also doing wrong.. for bad guys rarely tend to be a little bit pregnant.. so there are the basics I look for  that will shortly indicate their great downfall!!
– their own positive or negative management style, are they power hungry, control freaks, abusers, and  so  I look at  their ongoing  performance record  abuses of others including their discrimination, verbal or physical abuses, human rights abuses?
– their attitude towards money,  is it normal or have they become greedy, gone overboard, and so do they cheat, lies, steal, live high on the hog?
 – yes I even look for religious hypocrisy, even also next their adultery, cause I know it will predictably happen with the bad guys eventually,  Proverbs says this is God’s punishment.. likely for stealing poor people’s money, or abusing the rights of others.. seriously too.
– even the  type of friends they associate, hang around with, birds of feathers flock together,  for we even seem to know that alcoholics love to associate with other alcoholics too etc.
 
Now I have openly written about  Todd Bentley and others.. even that Todd was hanging around with bad people, such as the bad pastors of the Toronto airport Christian fellowship, and he was raking in loads of poor people’s money..  
 
Mark 12:38 And in [the course of] His teaching, He said, Beware of the scribes, who like to go around in long robes and [to get] greetings in the marketplaces [public forums], 39 And [have] the front seats in the synagogues and the chief couches (places of honor) at feasts,
 
Lying, stealing, tax evasions, slander, gossiping, abuse of others, adultery, and alcohol, are the common sins of 70 percent of Pastors so why do many they pick on Todd Bentley alone now?
 

TheDeeZone

     http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/the-spin-game-evangelicals-and-their-leaders-pastors-do-play-now/                              

Some people like to give it to others but next wrongfuly cry, wrongfully do complain when they get it back.. 

My undeniable Stats are not only based on the News media reports, but on personal undeniable pastoral witneses, pastoral testimonials.
 
You can bully me, bash me, play on words too, even call me a liar, but that will not deny the truth of what I have experienced  the last 3 decades on the net and in many in churches now as well.. the truth that any  bad Conservative is not any better than a bad Liberal.. and professing Conservatives, professing Christians,  evangelical pastors included  who  themselves now wrongfully are too often now just as ungodly human right violators as any of the ungodly, secular  persons too. They also should first Judge themselves before they judge the others, Christians too like to judge others but not themselves.
 
Often I have noted, experienced on the web even that even the professing Christians are abusive, do try to dominate, do disrespect others, and falsely censure others, lie about and slander them as well. It is always still a personal choice that has nothing to do with their persons personal political or religious beliefs, experiences now too.
 
On top of that I have openly admitted as told me decades ago by my Christian Missionary Alliance pastors himself firstly 70 percent of the pastors today in north America are no good, ungodly still, and my own past Alliance pastor he himself also was no saint, angel. But this does not mean I or  God have to accept any of their immoral, unacceptable abuses of even me now quietly  too.
 
If you do not like what I write please do not read it, but next lying, slandering me, abusing me   is never acceptable.. never. Now let’s continue the topic of any wrongful abuse of even me on the net or elswhere too.. in reply to  my posts by anyone too!
 
Too many sinful. spoiled  persons clearly have a false concept of God,  that they also falsely try to teach to others too, where God is a good guy, the devil is the bad guy, and in their religion God does not punish anyone for their sin. Now  this false theological ostrich concept of God is PERSONALLY mostly held clearly  to deny facing the possibility of the existence of the negative consequences  for one’s personal sins, to AVOID facing up to, or immediately dealing with them, admitting them. Had they read the Bible they would have seen how God still punishes all persons for their still unrepentant sins.
 
Like I have often said now elsewhere too

Most Christians still do not know God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, and the  Bible too.. less than 5 percent of Christians read their Bible 5 minutes a  day, so they talk about things they really do not know, have not  experienced, and the Holy Ghost especially.. undeniably too but they love to judge the others.

My real often reality is that even most so called Christians today when the  see a miracle, they try to deny it, explain it away.. but they did that also in Jesus time now too.. so what else is new?

“There is no question that is is pretty hard to obey a book that you don’t  read. I agree that the lack of respect for, reading of and obedience to  scripture is epidemic. If the church would simply open God’s word in faith  and allow the Spirit to lead and teach us and then if we would respond in  submissive obedience out of a heart of simple faith, I believe the world  would be different. I also agree that it is impossible to know God without  seeking Him as He has revealed Himself to us in His word. So many  “Christians” speak of a God they clearly have not spent time with as He  Himself has revealed Himself.”

If you read the Book of acts then you did notice that the emphasis on the  Holy Spirit, and distributing money, food to the local poor people was part  of the reason the churches next were so popular and growing. While in  contrast today many Churches. pastors, members, adherents, are selfish  cheapskates.

Secondly all pastors, elders, ministers should be called specifically for  their Ministry directly by God. Most of them today have not been called for  the ministry, for they are hirelings.

True pastors, elders, ministers would firstly daily read their Bible for one  hour and pray daily for others.

 what people need firstly is getting the book of acts Pentecostal  experiences.. and they will naturally next care for the poor people, act  like real anointed Christians. http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome

Too Many Christians are doing their own thing, trying to live a life without  Jesus, without even taking to him now often too.. Jesus himself hath said  without me you can do nothing.. nothing!!!

I have dealt with that issue on my sites in detail.. we all should stop hero worshipping mere men and start rather to worshipping God alone.

http://groups.msn.com/AFOLLOWEROFCHRIST http://pbulow.tripod.com/ etc.

TheDeeZone (17:52:28) : http://thedeezone.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/revival-and-evangelism/

Non-conformer,

You have never supplied where you get your stats. I notice that you are Canadian but make claims about Americans. Are you referring to residents of the Americas or the USA. 

Your facts are unsubstantiated. 

I have visited several of your sites the information posted on them is redundant and illogical at best. 

You make great claims but fail to support your claims or provide a solution. 

The majority of ministers I know are called by God, do cheat, lie, steal or any of the other things you claim. Also the majority of Christians I know are really Christians not merely professing with there mouths.
This is the only time I am allowing you to repost items here. 

My guess is that you are more than just non-conforming. 

Slander involves spoken word not written  ( what a false play on words)

Any further reposting of items or inappropriate postings will be deleted. Unsure of what I considered acceptable read the page entitled About Comments, there is a link at the top. — DH”

Well here is my reply

  

My witness alone even  is an undeniable fact .Now DO stop falsely TELLING ME WHO AND WHAT I AM AND WHAT I CAN AND CANNOT DO.. TRY TO CONTROL SOLELY YOURSELF. You like to label me, bully me. libel me, slander me, but what do you call yourself.. hopefully not a Christian.. I have dealt with too many like you..
 
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/changing-yourself-first-positively/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-too-common-abusive-silent-treatment/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/libel-2/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/libel/
 https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/bullies-free-speech/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-pretender-imposter-wolf-in-sheep-clothing/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/another-bully/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-deacons-bad-elders-bad-church/
 https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/woe-to-the-shepherds/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/just-by-me-merely-observing/
 http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/amazing/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/equality/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/christians-are-supposedly-to-be-different/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/unchristian/ 
    

I am also fascinated as to how I can make the same post and get contrasting different responses to it..

Now let me have my right of defence, my full right of free speech too, for in your own personal attack of me , your false judging of me too, someone you never met or know now firstly too, so now as you are aware  you DE HORRD  are not a court appointed judge, and we are not in your court room, so I do not have to play to your false, one sided , often changing demands, demonic  rules now too. I am not your slave, you are not by Boss, or a superior one,  I do not work for you, I do not take orders from you, I rightfully do not  have to do what you say, I can use my own right of free speech, I can write my own posts too still. I can do what I want on my own too. Now clearly your own  behavior is clearly unchristlike, unchristian,  and you need to have a more humble attiutide and Christ like  firstly too. This is my site and not yours now too even. I am a decent, honest, law abiding Christian and a mature senior too. No one has ever found me guity of libel in any court of law too. Do also see my posts on Libel now too.   

 Now  DH  you next had  entered my site, made a post, reply  and I had replied to you. And I had also posted my comments on on your site.. but now you next had wrongfully threatened to cut me off your site.. sad.. that you had degenerated that much..  but you had not replied to all of my questions to you and yet you louldy demand I do  reply to you .. so please  now also do reply to my questions too..

Firstly in kindness what real   facts do and  you have to deny any of this? Even about my past posts about how mostly bad most evangelical pastors now are? 

The 30 percent ungodly divorce rate amongst evangelicals and the 70 percent ungodly evangelical pastors who counsel  divorce too? 

Or the mostly only Pentecostal major TV ministries under investigations by a US senator? and what not the rest in fairness now too? 

 Do read my sites.. about the Bad Christian Missionary Alliance church, about the bad pastors at the Toronto airport Christian fellowship church too. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/  and http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/quartlerly-update-christian-posts/ and http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/pastors-elders-shepherds-christian-leaders-evangelists/

Please now also do cool down..  take a slow breathe of the spirit of God.. for contrary to what you wrote I  have many times in reality now offered on my many sites the solutions to the problems of much too many bad pastors  in North America, and yes too often it is the same major pastors who travel the evangelical circuits  too..  even  in the US or Canada, even in  the same denominations now too..  even Benny Hinn was a [astor in Canada before he went to the US and so was Todd Bentley etc.. and many others now too.. it really is a small world..

You think that US Christians, pastors  are more spiritual than those in Canada? and  why is that??  do they not both have access to the same Holy Spirit,  and even the same devil, and equally as well?

>> The majority of ministers I know are called by God, do cheat, lie, steal or any of the other things you claim.

>Also the majority of Christians I know are really Christians not merely professing with there mouths.

You had said that the  Pastors cheat , lie andsteal, absue, slander but not their followers?

Still I was surprised in decades this is the fist time someone so unwisely had called me a liar so openly now too.. I of course wanted to know why? and what really sore toe or idol that had I stepped on in reality?  

Please now also so called pastoral expert now do  also  now tell me SPECIALLY as to how many Pastor you had talked too that  can   SPECIALLY admit like I can the place, the time that GOD HAD CALLED THEM SPECIFICALLY INTO THE MINISTRY.. MOST pastor that I talked too, had asked this question too, they could nor and don’t even  tell me the assurance of their specifc Ministry callings, yet you do give such a ridicuclous assurance on their behalf yourself now ? Why? the reality bothers you and you do not want to face it?

 In your past pastoral experiences with Church pastors, now do also tell me  as to how  many pastors have you personaly, in detail

interviewed,  5 – 100? or more? and also  how many did you help to be rightfully fired,

and how many bad churches now did you personally close as well?

 I myself have been dealing with crooked pastors  now specially for 3 decades.. and  sadly I have seem much too seen many rightfully fired too,  even 2  original Church  founding pastors now too and I had helped to close one large bad evangelical church, the Calgary Christian centre,  at God’s own  specific request, directions to me too.

You have also now done how many church and pastoral visitations yourself the last 50 years too? 

Now if you actually read my sites.. I had said cleary already said many times that the bad pastors should repent, change their bad lifestyle, and now stop cheating, lying, stealing and be rather  filled, baptized with the holy spirit as the sole acceptable solution now too. Righfully so now too..

Supposedly you a Christian sister please do kindly note that I was never  interesting in having a shouting match with you or anyone..  even about the bad pastors and  now a major American news media had surveyed  American pastors, and some of my personal sources about bad pastors also were major American pastors..

so you clearly are grasping at STRAWS  to uphold the much too many fallen evangelical idols, pastors, and the abuses that do you and I do now hear about  are not even the tip  of the iceberg..

in one city alone I had personally had interview 45 evangelical pastors and none used the Bible in their Ministry..

so you can delete my posts but they anyway they are still posted on my sites… the undeniable truths as to what most pastors are like these days  even witnessed by me the last 4 decades too and by many others too.

I admit there are much too many crooked pastors around these days for my liking, and  in my own witness, experiences the last 4 decades too.. but there seems much too many critics on the net.. who clearly are violating God’s instruction to try to talk to a brother humbly, personally about their sins, sins.. before shouting it from the housetops.. wrongfully mostly this is not been ing even done as we can all see on the net daily too.

I am a pastor, I have been to latter day Pentecostal churches, I have encountered good and bad pastors in many denominations including Alliance, Baptist, Pentecostal ones.. but firstly I tend to rightfully speak to a pastor face to face, get to know firsthand what he is like before I am wise enough to publically condemn, judge him

But if you have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit, and clearly admit you do not speak in tongues, and that you do not have the gift of healing, how can you really judge the others by comparisons, even by the discerning gift of the Holy Spirit..

Mind you Jesus said by their fruits you tell what they are like.. which include their love, joy, peace, gentleness, meekness, patience’s, faith.. since gifts operating in faith, the amount you have or the lack thereof..

Now here for an example as to how I see ignorance, hidden agendas, bad critics when I make posts on the net too..

but this is what should not be amazing for real Christians.. I had posted the same initial simple reposes, comments on many professing Christian sites that I had visited today..  and I next had got mostly similar positive comments but on  2 of the sites the persons had written me back and sais they could not understand what I had shared.. and that often happens..

Many Christians are doing their own thing, trying to live a life without Jesus, without even taking to him now often too.. Jesus himself hath said  without me you can do nothing.. nothing!!! You cannot even understand God’s truths.  

(Rom 8:7 KJV)  Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

(1 Cor 3:1 KJV)  And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

(1 Cor 3:3 KJV)  For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

(1 Cor 3:4 KJV)  For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

 I am also fascinated as to how I can make the same post and get  contrasting different responses to it.. I understand some persons are more mature than others, some are spiritual and some just carnal even though they profess to be all Christians.

Like I often get this typical response  “A hearty AMEN! Thanks for your  comment. Be blessed. ”

“Hi Brother. thanks for dropping by. I totally agree with your comment, it  wont eliminate dry times and trials but it is a vital part of our Christianity. … Frank”

hey I post the same posts on different professing Christian sites and I get  different responses too.. interesting..

and yet I also get the clearly negative ones..

A true Christian believers set of beliefs, doctrines is based on what the  Holy Spirit himself who also is God himself now teaches you and me and his  teachings they  will not contradict the Bible..  and it is not rather based  solely on what an angel or other men may teach us too.

But of course if  any others because they  really still do not know God  and/or  because they are doing “your own thing”, following their own will,  and/or have not died to Jesus Christ, they  thus are not open to the Holy  Spirit himself to talk  with them thus they really should find out why too!  otherwise  they  will mostly allow the false men, false angels to deceive  themselves instead..

So how are they  dealing with Jesus Christ firstly.. is he personally  rightfully their  Lord, Savior, or are they  just playing a religious game?

so I like to note that the type of response to my posts is reflective of the  true spiritual nature of all of the posters as well and I can easily see those who have found the truth, and those who are still  seeking for it or have wrongfully denied it..

Now I have often already covered topics like this many times too on my own sites in detail. http://pbulow.tripod.com/  including the too often false Pentecostal bashers…

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/the-posts-the-lakeland-revival-bashers-seem-to-despise/

and you can also see what many others say too about the much too many bad pastors these days too

http://www.moriel.org/articles/discernment/church_issues/fraud_embezzlement_illegal_benefits.htm

 http://picklinginhispresence.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/liars-and-perjurers-in-revival-john-davies-cnt-with-walter-kambulow-concerning-todd-bambambam-bentley-a-others/

http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry/

But firstly and sadly my you are wrongfully too free with your slandering, offensive, insulting words, libel words  towards me and my posts..  for a start do you abuse everyone like this who  writes now something you do not want to hear or just me.. or just me? RSVP.

  but you STILL trying to tell me what I  can or cannot write even to you is really grossly absurd as  you next writing the post for me too..  the controlling sprit is not from God.. and you firstly  Judging me and saying next back  I cannot respond, judge you is also really absurd now on your own part too. You now id not like when I replied to your own  comments to me? Sorry, too bad. Grow up, become a decent, mature adult like me and stop being a spoiled brat, merely now a child. If you cannot handle the response you get from others just don’t write to them in the first place  now too. WHEN YOU DO START TO ACT LIKE AN ADULT I WILL NEXT NOT HAVE TO TREAT YOU LIKE A LITTLE KID.

Nice talking to you..

God bless  you

Bashing Pentecostals Christians on the net even by fundamentals is a popular sport in the Roman coliseum it seems these days too