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(Heb 10:31 KJV) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

It always still amazes me how many pastors lie and say they are doing God’s work and yet they never quote the Bible to anyone, so who are they actually fooling: God, the Bible or mere self, men in reality? When I first examine a pastor I first go to his study and see what books he uses.. over the Bible.. so I can know why he is failing. The Holy Spirit himself in detail too will lead and guide you in all truth.. if you actually are led by him now.

It is undeniable fact that these days 70 percent of all pastors are bad, so I have helped to fire many evangelical pastors, founding church pastors as well, I helped to closed two evangelical churches as well. Most pastors still are are sex maniacs , counsel divorce, alcoholics falsely still too.

Public exposure and prosecuting of the guilty serves everyone’s best interest.

I am no ostrich and I also do follow what Apostle Paul did, I first had wrote letters to the churches, members, adherents about their uancceptable sins.. I talk to people I love and rightfully even rebuke them before all as well.

Genuine Prophets sill point fingers today and still do ask people to repent.

(Rev 2:5 KJV) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

(Rev 2:16 KJV) Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

(Rev 2:21 KJV) And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

(Rev 2:22 KJV) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

(Rev 3:3 KJV) Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

(1 Tim 5:20 KJV) Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

(1 Tim 5:21 KJV) I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

(3 John 1:2 KJV) Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

(3 John 1:3 KJV) For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth.

(3 John 1:4 KJV) I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.

God bless you

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A pastor of the House of prayer church was gloating that the local Pentecostal church had last night removed their pastor, and House of prayer pastor next was boasting how good he was and how lucky his congregation now was to have him while the same House of prayer church pastor was meanwhile being even accused of stealng funds, the slander of others as well. (Prov 27:2 KJV) Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

The general manager of a Pawn shop had asked me to inspect the used computers he had taken in. In the process many times I had noticed that the manager and his brother were stealing from the store, taking unpaid items home for themselves. Next I noticed the same thing being done by the store clerks. When I reported what I saw the store clerks doing the manager in rage immediately fired two of the sales clerks. But he did not fire himself or his brother. Double standard. Sadly I have too often seen this myself firsthand also in evangelical churches where the pastors and their family members were abusing the donations while they hypocritically were preaching to others “you shall not steal” All of their own personal repentance is still in order!

A professing Christian couple were church hopping, weekly travelling from church to church looking for that great perfect church that would add a new dimensions to their lives. Unfortunately the couple would not admit they that their own unrepentant sins were the cause of their own Misery, and they next divorced each other, each falsely blaming the other spouse as the cause of their personal unhappiness.

(Mat 7:3 KJV) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

>People usually accuse others of what they are guilty themselves!

>Dear thenonconformer you are the one who is the accuser of the brethren, not me?

My getting personal again.. you like to give it to others but can’t take a rebuke yourself ehh.. Please do Stop telling any others what to do .. live it yourself.. what you are speak louder than any of your words. Many people try to falsey bash others, try to change others cause they know they cannot even change themselves now.

Personal attacks made falsely next when you cannot deny the facts, the negative truths. So what else is new the Ostriches here too they cannot take the huge beam out of their own eyes, they are a poor example of Christianity, do not practice what they preach to others, they still do what they condemn in others . No wonder they oppose other persons right of free speech, the truth. Some things never change. The bad guys included. They love the false praise of men over being praised by god too. But all men have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Cursed be he that puts his trust in mere man, mere flesh. It is viable that too much of the supposedly Christian posts here are done in the flesh still and not in the spirit of God. What Happened to their own practice real Christian love, humility, meekness on their parts? Too many preachers, pastors like to preach it to others but do not live it themselves. Repent.

(1 Cor 4:21 KJV) What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

(2 Cor 10:1 KJV) Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:

(Gal 5:23 KJV) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

(Gal 6:1 KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

(Eph 4:2 KJV) With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

(Col 3:12 KJV) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

(1 Tim 6:11 KJV) But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

(2 Tim 2:25 KJV) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

(Titus 3:2 KJV) To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing all meekness unto all men.

(James 1:21 KJV) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

(James 3:13 KJV) Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

(1 Pet 3:15 KJV) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

“Hey you self righteous supposedly Christian guys and gals just look at yourself. your lack of love towards others, even your supposed enemies is more reflective of who you still are. Get a real life in Jesus. the Evangelical Christian ostriches who deny their sins are still going to Hell and they like to bash others but cannot face or see the truth about themselves. The vipers like you, the Pharisees condemned Jesus also for telling the truth about them too and so do you still even here. When you condemn the others you visibly even condemn yourself as well here.”

Look who is hypocritically, wrongfully accusing me now firstly TIM himself.. you got so personal with someone you do not know, never met as well.. and such a hypocrite now too you are.. yes too many evangelicals, pastors included like you TIM are not known for playing nice, accepting the truth easily, they like to play dirty, bash, bully, abuse others, make unrelated personal smears, attacks.. showing more clearly to all what they still really are like.. undeniable bad guys. but they that is normal for this is how the bad persons ..they often treated the prophets, apostles as well and still do.

Never the less the Holy Spirit he will still also reprove the world of sin, judgment, righteousness.. and not be an Ostrich to their sins, wrong doings

I also do not think much of control freaks, bullies too and do see also my many posts on how to deal with control freaks.. abusers.. for example

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/ or

http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-too-common-abusive-silent-treatment/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/more-about-control-freaks/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/

http://thenonconformer.blogspot.com/2008/12/coping-with-bad.html

One is not a Christian for too long before one encounters the dispensationalist topics of Prophecy- Tribulation, the anti Christ, such as http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com the same people who seem to be more fascinated with the future over living in the present.. Now one thing for certainly I know as well many of these overboard persons tend to have very little love for others, other Christians in reality, and I can only concluded that they really are not led by the Holy Sprit, are not open to the fruit and gifts of the Holy Spirit as well.. (Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

(1 Cor 9:27 KJV) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another’s wealth.

(John 8:12 KJV) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

(John 12:35 KJV) Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. 36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

(John 12:46 KJV) I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

(Rom 2:18 KJV) And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; 19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. 21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? 22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? 23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

(1 Th 5:4 KJV) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

(1 John 1:3KJV) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

(1 John 2:8KJV) Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

(2 Cor 3:2 KJV) Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:

TOO MANY PEOPLE FALSELY THINK THEY ARE HIDING THEIR UNREPENTANT SINS, THEY GOT AWAY WITH THEM. GOD STILL SEES THEM. SO DOES THE DEVIL AND THE WORLD NOW AS WELL.

(Mat 22:32 KJV) God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

(Rom 14:17 KJV) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

(1 Cor 4:20 KJV) For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

(1 Cor 14:33 KJV) For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

(Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

I was in a super great Church once, even though the Pastors were stealing, abusing the funds, committing adultery, counseling divorce, gossiping, slandering, lying, and so forth. The Holy Spirit due to the prayers of some of the faithful persons there was really moving in their services, and many people were getting saved, healed and delivered, and the praise and worship services were really great. God specifically had told me to go to this church as well, but he had put a condition on it, he said do not talk with, communicate, fellowship with any of the pastors. I had done some great personal counseling in that Church as well.. met some great and also bad people.

Alliance Churches, Calgary Christian center, Centre Street Evangelical Missionary Church, United Church , Full Gospel Churches, Baptist Churches, Evangelical Free, Victory Christian Fellowship, First Assembly (Pentecostal), Salvation Army, Don Ross Ministries and the Full Gospel Businessmen’s Fellowship; to name a few. And you should let another man praise you and not yourself.. I moved to Calgary at the age of 35 in 1980 and I had been a Christian for 20 years before that and for the next 15 years I in contrast could not find one decent honest Christian Pastor or Church in Calgary, in my witness they were all bunch of racists, social clubs, adulterers, liars, slanderers, gossipers, thieves, rich minded persons who despised the poor people etc.., Calgary was the third most unspiritual place I have been to in Canada

But eventually one day next came when I had to talk to the same pastors, and even to tell them that God was going to get rid of them, to next deal with them negatively and God did! God next broke down this large Calgary church because it had grown big in size and had become perverse. All of the pastors were next removed from it as well.

(Micah 3:6 KJV) Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. 7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God. 8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

The most crooked pastors I had encountered in Canada were those in Alberta too… Here also you can start with ex Calgary Christian center, the Calgary First Alliance church, the Calgary Salvation Army. I also remember also hearing about that great Conservative myth on promised full accountability, governmental transparency, a better form of governing, and the Harper- Conservative government lies go on and on, fooling only the Conservatives as to who they really are still, liars..

I had good reasons supposedly for not Pastoring once, one of which was there now supposedly were plenty of other good Pastors, much better Pastors than me around.. and both arguments were lies as God himself next showed me firsthand when I interviewed about 45 evangelical pastors.. even about their marital counseling practices… which is almost none! This is also really surprising when about 70 percent of all people even in the churches tend to have major marital problems sooner or later.. Pretender, liar and that is so typical of evangelical pastors in Canada, elders, and pastors of the false Christian Missionary Alliance church now too. I wrote about this false church before too. No wonder most of the evangelical pastors as well do commit adultery, or steal, commit tax evasions, gossip, slander, abuse others and falsely counsel divorce now too. In reality 70 percent of all of the the pastors are still really bad, still doing a real bad job.. for firstly they tend not to use the Bible at all in their own personal counseling practices but rather they tend to do use an immoral, humanistic, psychological approach, or they simple say get divorced and wrongfully too. Their actual daily usage of the Bible, not books really can show you how good or bad pastors they still are, and never mind what useless Bible college or commentary also that they graduated from still.

Many persons go to church expecting personally to be helped by the pastor and they do next walk away disappointed. Their first normal mistake was having any personal expectations of any help from the Pastors, even though this may be an honest expectation, for our help is in the Lord and all our expectations should come only of Him.

Try to go to church expecting only to see Jesus Christ, to get any desired help from Jesus only, and not any man, or women, and expect nothing else, have no expectation of any good from the pastors, elders and you certainly will next not be disappointed.

Because of my poor health I have had to retire from a physically active Ministry and next many people could not understand how I could be by myself alone, for such long periods of time, and for me it is very easy for I have Jesus to go directly to talk with, I do prefer his company above all others rightfully too. Learn to talk to Him directly about your concerns, not firstly the Pastors!!

(Luke 9:36 KJV) And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.

(John 8:9 KJV) And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst

Secondly the majority of these pastors they do not provide at all any real counseling help to their own flock in need even in their own churches, and especially not related to marital, employment problems also even in Evangelical, Pentecostal churches. This approach of their is not really pastoring.. this is stealing money from the sheep!

Sadly most pastors seem to want to only to preach, to talk big and to be praised for it, to be recognized, and admired by the others, for they tend to have a false, big ego that they want filled, but they still wrongfully not want to do also the real work, the dirty work at the sheep’s level.. Yes these same pastoral hypocrites also do falsely tend to lie, slander others , gossip and also to delegate blame on one of the spouses even in a martial problem situation, even with invalid still reasons, basically for them not to personally get involved. The pastor would say something like the husband or the wife was at fault.. so the pastor is still talking only about the negative symptoms of a real marital problem, and what is he real or false solution rather.. pass the buck wrongfully still to the others? Unacceptable and I would rightfully not give any of my money at all to this type of Pastor or his Church!

Pastoral marriage counseling it is also still mandatory for all Pastors, all of them too, it is mandatory still that they do also help each and every sheep in their flock, and do home visits as well.. and these two also are not optional.. but sadly majority of Pastors they really still do not have love for the sheep.. and doing the dirtier jobs they wrongfully run away for it.. and God himself told me that this was all was immorally acts on the part of both of these pastors.. I never run away from any hard counseling.. for I got God to help me.. Do thus tell the pastor that up to 70 percent of the people have marriage problems, it is always the biggest pastoral need too.. and if he does not do this work than he is really not a real pastor.. just another hireling, or a wolf in sheep clothing..

You do clearly also have my permission to send these remarks to them as well! I have already personally fired about 25 pastors in my life time.. and I do not hesitate to publicly expose them, rebuke them rightfully remove them from office still.. any of the bad ones..

(Psa 18:39 KJV) For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle: thou hast subdued under me those that rose up against me 40 Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me. 41 They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not. 42 Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets.

(Psa 18:46 KJV) The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted. 47 It is God that avengeth me, and subdueth the people under me. 48 He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man.

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/divorce-and-remarriage-in-the-christian-church/

The trouble with anyone lying is that soon one will likely end up believing in one’s own lies and one tends to live out the lies next, to act upon their false delusions. This applies to people who lie to the courts, to politicians who lie to the citizens as well.. to Pastors who lie to their congregations.. Now I have personally seen this happen many times .. For example a pastor was personally asked to repent of his own immorality. His own family asked him if the charges were true. The pastor replied you cannot believe anything the persons says he is crazy.. Soon the pastor’s family started to worry about this supposedly crazy person. To keep up the pretense the pastor even bought next a bullet proof car for protection for himself. This increased the stress upon his own family.. They lived out the pastor’s lie.. This was a punishment for the lies now as well. This same truth applies to ANYONE, Minister, lawyers, spouses who lie to us or the courts too. In the end the pastor still lost his church anyway, because he next was still exposed for his wrong doings, cause you cannot lie to everyone.. some people saw the truth.. and did something good about it too.. they let the Pastor go.

(Isa 29:15 KJV) Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? (Psa 138:6 KJV) Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off.

(Jer 23:16 KJV) Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

God called me to be a Pastor, to minister full time to his people, but I did not accept it , in fact not next for about 20 years, and I had many false excuses.. excuses like I was praying for the other people, pastors, even one specifically who next turned out to be an adulterer and he had children by another person who was not his wife.. and God next dealt with me through a series of negative dramatic events like the loss of my job, health, family, even still I had another excuse too I was too bad of a sinner to be a pastor to which God replied and said if a gay pastor can pastor so can you.. that finally broke all my excuses too I agreed to be a Pastor for God.. God then had said to me enough is enough I am tired of you living a self indulged life serving vanities, and now next you will usefully work for me.. and testify of me even before “Kings and Queens”.. which I did for the next 20 years too.

Now there are still also at least six major things wrong with the North Americanized Gospel being preached falsely today even worldwide,

1 It is mostly man centered religion and not rather God centered, it still tends to exalts man, self, pride..not rather solely Jesus Christ ….

and not rather (1 Cor 2:2 KJV) For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Furthermore it is undeniably clear that too many pastors, elders are even wrongfully pursing secular wealth, the owning of bigger and better homes, working at insuring adequate pensions moneys for themselves while neglecting to minister to the physical, spiritual needs of God’s people.

Did you know that Marriage counseling is the main and biggest ministry today, it is the big need in churches today and yet still most pastor do even wrongfully refuse to do it, they rather even too many of them do wrongfully counsel divorce..

On the one hand many preachers preach that we all must live daily by faith, by faith in God to supply all of our needs but on the other hand they clearly beg for money, donations, even by wayoff mailing lists too.. they look unto man to supply their needs and not God in reality.. to me this is both hypocritical and contradictory and unacceptable.. to me these people are still the “Hirelings” that Jesus spoke about, even the “money changes” he kicked out of the temple, those people who instead of freely giving, put copyrights on their material and sell it to others.. for sadly too many even professing Christians have still even now made their the acquisition, pursuit of money, the false love for all of the things that money can buy, as their false idol, and one of their false goal in life, and as a result they now personally do not really have love for God, love for his people or love for others… and this is still really unacceptable to God.

“God demands also of the Pastor that he be holy, and he should be. There are more people walking in the counsel of the pastors than any other class of men in the world. When they are sad, they are glad to counsel with their pastor, and when they are happy and enjoying life, they delight in telling their pastor. So his counsel is constantly being sought and his advice taken. God pity the pastor who though does not feel the responsibility.”

The Old Testament book of Malachi was written to specifically to Pastors stealing God’s money.. and going along with divorce wrongfully too. I have been a treasurer, church secretary and a wittiness and I have too often seen pastors and elders stealing the donated money for wrong personal use.. and often.. it is only a really big shock the first time..

In reality the majority of Pastors today are ungodly, and so out of curiosity I interviewed many, many of them personally to see how they arrived at that poor spiritual state.. a state of cheating, lying, stealing, slandering, gossiping, committing sexual immoralities too.. I have actually directly interviewed about 75 evangelical pastors, and I helped to fire about 12 or more of them too.. and most Pastors almost all did not pray daily or read their bible daily, or even use the Bible in counseling.. sad.. they are hireling, pretenders, imposters. Some of the most crooked Pastor I met were clearly not called for the ministry and I specifically asked them how they went into the ministry,, A really bad pastor that I loved used to preach out of books and not the Bible, he used to always ask for a monetary raise every time it seems one person was saved or added to the church, like many pastors I met he also liked to rig the supposedly fair church elections for the persons of his choice to the positions too. Trying to be nice , hoping to change him I asked him two personal questions. Pastor did God specifically call you into the Ministry? and is their such thing as power to live a Christian life? He replied no to both questions.. so how can he teach, lead others? he could not.. he was drastically removed. The reason he because a Pastor was that he wanted his Masters of Business administration but he could not afford to go to college so he went to Bible collage, and running the church was the same as running a business he said to me..Boy he needed to be pastored himself but his unrepentant sins stopped this. And he lost his church eventually, the church he had founded for he was exposed for not being called to the minsitry.. not equipped by it. Over 40 percent of pastors are fired more than once it seems..

Now as far as personally Giving.. a clearly separate subject.. We are to give of ourselves personally daily to God… and then all we have is his to use as he wills.. furthermore the Book of acts says we are in the local church to also firstly give to the poor Christians, and not only to the pastors, building funds, missionaries.. and how many churches now actually do this these days give to the poor.. it is the government who does it rather.. it supplies the social aid.

I am also not against voluntary tithing to the Lord Jesus Christ, or voluntary giving to the Lord Jesus Christ, AND to the poor persons. I am against trying to earn, buy your way into heaven, and also giving on the too often false man defined mandates that the still mostly false pastors themselves do define it.. by the too many mostly false pastors?

A personal desire to be a Pastor is not enough.. for you have to be specially be first called directly by God for the Ministry.. My own father agreed with me today on this and he said that was the biggest reason we have so many bad pastors, they were not called by God for the ministry

By the way the term Pastor is only mentioned once in the whole New Testament and why? cause there are many other offices God calls us to as well.. like the office of a Missionary, Apostle, prophet, evangelist, healing, elder, deacon, minister, etc., It is my rightful view view that Churches are not at all run by any Pastor, but RUN only by Jesus Christ and the elders (always plural), and note this they are all shepherds.. all of the elders i.e. apostles, prophets, teachers are all the shepherds of the Church)Pastor as plural too is mentioned only once in the NEW TESTAMENT and yet a whole false doctrine of their sole importance today is made, and that reference Pastor included also apostles, prophets, evangelist, and I do not care to believe in the still mostly lies of men but only what the Bible teaches itself.

(2 Cor 9:10 KJV) Now he that MINISTEReth seed to the sower both MINISTER bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness

(Heb 13:17 KJV) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Thus the Pastors need to obey as well the existing Apostles and the existing prophets today..

The New Testament word MINISTER rightfully used to mean to be a humble shepherd feeding God’s flock but today it sadly has visible connotations of an air of superiority, of abusing others, of being worshipped, admired, being served upon, of self exaltations and self service even. Too many Pastors seem also do not like to be called SHEPHERDS, THEY LIKE TO USE THE SECULAR WORD LEADERS.. even a captain of the ship.. and this makes me think of “Mutiny on the Bounty”. Pastos, elders are al servants who are to minister to all of God’s people.

(Rev 21:4 KJV) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

(Eccl 8:13 KJV) But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he feareth not before God.

(Psa 5:4 KJV) For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.

(Deu 24:16 KJV) The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

(Psa 33:17 KJV) An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.

(Exo 20:23 KJV) Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.

(Lev 26:1 KJV) Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

(2 Ki 17:38 KJV) And the covenant that I have made with you ye shall not forget; neither shall ye fear other gods.

(Isa 43:10 KJV) Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

(Lev 11:44 KJV) For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy:

(Isa 32:6 KJV) For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail. 7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

All, absolutely all persons who deviate from the words of God found in the Bible are deviates, perverts, liars, that includes any Church elders, pastors, members, adherents. Those who lie do have a hidden agenda, it includes the false exaltation of self and the false oppression of others.

One of Satan’s agendas is to dominate, oppress all human beings and do note this is also the agenda of his followers, of all those persons whole live in the flesh and not by the spirit of God. Jesus has come to set us free even free, from slavery to any others too, from sin and it’s consequences, and not rather to put us again into bondage, even more false bondage.. so beware of men, even of preachers, watch out always too.. and watch out especially for those who quote other men’s words, who put forth their own words, and still do claim they are God’s words ..

(Mat 20:26 KJV) But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your MINISTER;

(Mat 20:28 KJV) Even as the Son of man came not to be MINISTERed unto, but to MINISTER, and to give his life a ransom for many.

(Mat 25:44 KJV) Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not MINISTER unto thee?

(Rom 15:16 KJV) That I should be the MINISTER of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, MINISTERing the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

(Rom 15:25 KJV) But now I go unto Jerusalem to MINISTER unto the saints.

(Rom 15:27 KJV) It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to MINISTER unto them in carnal things.

(Eph 3:7 KJV) Whereof I was made a MINISTER, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power

Once again the words man, men, MINISTER to me are generic terms, includes male and females, both male and females can be shepherds in the house of God?

(1 Pet 5:2 KJV) Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

(Jer 48:10 KJV) Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.

(Psa 51:17 KJV) The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Note the sole New Testament reference to the term Pastor is still only a plural one.. and also clearly along with with the presently existing other gifted offices now too.Truly I am rightfully disappointed with those Pastors who to elevate their own self importance mislead others, misquote the Bible by even now making the term “pastor” a singular term only.. a fact not supported in the New Testament Bible. There are many shepherds of the one local church, flock, many pastors, not just the one. These false pastors would like us also all to believe that they are the individual owners of the sheep as well and we have to obey them in all things. But Personal Submission is always mutual and voluntary.

(Eph 4:11 KJV) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

(1 Cor 16:16 KJV) That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with us, and laboureth.

and now if God had called, hired you then next he directly will pay you.. does not even your secular employer pay you after you have been hired.. but if you have not been hired by a firm then you cannot expect them to pay you,..

1 Tim 6:10 KJV) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows

(John 2:15 KJV) And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;

(John 2:16 KJV) And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.

(Mat 10:8 KJV) Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

(Mat 10:9 KJV) Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

and there’s also a verse that says that you shouldn’t muzzle an ox while it’s threshing.

Too sadly I have actually heard this verse quoted by mamy persons justifying stealing from their employers..

The issues THAT I have dealt with here TOO are important, issues that I personally have been concerned with the last 35 years to they are issues that need to be dealt with still.

In my own life time I have seen many supposedly sincere, even hard working pastors, most pastors next fired from their jobs next, and often unexpectedly. Why? They firstly sought their own agenda, preached their own message, not God’s. They were rebellious to God.

(Prov 25:14 KJV) Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

(Psa 104:3 KJV) Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: 4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

(Eccl 11:5 KJV) As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.

When Pharaoh refused to listen to Moses to let his people go and worship him God sent plagues upon pharaoh.. when people of Israel disobeyed God sent negative plagues upon them.. God does the same thing today as well.. believe it or not too, even upon individuals, cities, states, provinces, nations too.

(Jer 5:5 KJV) I will get me unto the great men, and will speak unto them; for they have known the way of the LORD, and the judgment of their God: but these have altogether broken the yoke, and burst the bonds. 6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil them, a leopard shall watch over their cities: every one that goeth out thence shall be torn in pieces: because their transgressions are many, and their backslidings are increased. 7 How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots’ houses. 8 They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbour’s wife. 9 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this? 10 Go ye up upon her walls, and destroy; but make not a full end: take away her battlements; for they are not the LORD’S. 11 For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the LORD. 12 They have belied the LORD, and said, It is not he; neither shall evil come upon us; neither shall we see sword nor famine: 13 And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them.

(Jer 7:2 KJV) Stand in the gate of the Lord’s house, and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the word of the LORD, all ye of Judah, that enter in at these gates to worship the LORD. 3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. 4 Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these. 5 For if ye thoroughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye thoroughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour; 6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt: 7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever. 8 Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. 9 Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; 10 And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations? 11 Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD. 12 But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel. 13 And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the LORD, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not; 14 Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. 15 And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim. 16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

(Jer 7:20 KJV) Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.

(Jer 7:23 KJV) But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

(Jer 7:28 KJV) But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.

(Isa 30:10 KJV) Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

(Isa 65:5 KJV) Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

(Jer 21:13 KJV) Behold, I am against thee, O inhabitant of the valley, and rock of the plain, saith the LORD; which say, Who shall come down against us? or who shall enter into our habitations?

(Ezek 11:3 KJV) Which say, It is not near; let us build houses: this city is the caldron, and we be the flesh.

(Amos 4:1 KJV) Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink. 2 The Lord GOD hath sworn by his holiness, that, lo, the days shall come upon you, that he will take you away with hooks, and your posterity with fishhooks.

(Amos 9:10 KJV) All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

(Mat 23:16 KJV) Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

(Rev 2:2 KJV) I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

(Rev 3:9 KJV) Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

(Lev 19:12 KJV) And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

(Deu 18:19 KJV) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

(Deu 18:20 KJV) But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

(2 Chr 7:16 KJV) For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

(Isa 42:8 KJV) I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

(Isa 43:7 KJV) Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

(Isa 48:11 KJV) For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

(Isa 52:6 KJV) Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

(Jer 7:10 KJV) And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?11 Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.12 But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.

(Jer 7:14 KJV) Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh.

(Jer 7:30 KJV) For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.

(Jer 12:16 KJV) And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people.

(Jer 14:14 KJV) Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

(Jer 14:15 KJV) Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

(Jer 16:21 KJV) Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The LORD.

(Jer 23:25 KJV) I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.

(Jer 23:27 KJV) Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

(Jer 25:29 KJV) For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.

(Jer 27:15 KJV) For I have not sent them, saith the LORD, yet they prophesy a lie in my name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you.

(Jer 29:9 KJV) For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.

(Jer 29:23 KJV) Because they have committed villany in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbours’ wives, and have spoken lying words in my name, which I have not commanded them; even I know, and am a witness, saith the LORD.

(Jer 32:34 KJV) But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it.

(Jer 34:15 KJV) And ye were now turned, and had done right in my sight, in proclaiming liberty every man to his neighbour; and ye had made a covenant before me in the house which is called by my name:16 But ye turned and polluted my name, and caused every man his servant, and every man his handmaid, whom he had set at liberty at their pleasure, to return, and brought them into subjection, to be unto you for servants and for handmaids.

(Zec 5:4 KJV) I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

(Mat 24:5 KJV) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

(John 15:16 KJV) Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

(Acts 15:17 KJV) That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

It seems in reality that at least 70 percent of pastors, including evangelicals ones, even in Alberta too, in North America commit adultery and/or counsel divorce, cause sadly they are clearly too often still sex maniacs. Note unrepentant sins are often exposed openly in the Bible now too, shouted from the housetops

You have to be called directly, personally by God to be a pastor,. and God will next give you the love for the job, the people, he will God equip you for all of the tasks.. still sadly many Pastors still are not God called, but self chosen..

A pastor’s commitment next to his people includes first keeping his commitment to serve God firstly, not man or self.. A pastor admitted to me he did not have a full commitment to God.. I was shocked at his still corruption

It was a great shock to me when I had switched over to the Pentecostal faith from the Brethren, Baptist faith to see just as many bad and, crooked pastors there now too..

Pastors too, no matter to what or to whom you attribute the sin in your life, you are still a sinner that is going to hell unless you overcome that sin by Jesus Christ

The BASIC issue about too many bad pastors even these days now is not just about the Pentecostal PASTORS but the subject OF TOO MANY bad pastors we seem to have in most denominations still too and STILL why?

Even because many of these BAD people, bad pastors EVEN THE too often false critics are mostly still serving self, doing their own thing, looking up to mere man and not God.. and man’s help is useless for the most part in understanding spiritual things still too. They need to grow up spiritually as well. Are any of you, Pastors, elders, now claiming to be a better teacher, guide than the Holy Spirit himself? so where is your evidence of being spirit filled, evidence of real love too?

Where is the power of God that we see in the Prophets, in Christ and in the Apostles? And what are we doing that is now different in the Church from that I read of in the book of Acts in the Bible?

Follow the Anointing Luke 4:14 “And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.” Over the years many have questioned the lack of power in their Baptism of the Holy Spirit as opposed to what they read in Scripture and the New Testament and here we have the answer that has been in plain sight for all to see all along and in quite concrete terms –

Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

Sadly too often the pastors tend to be legalists sadly.. control freaks, abusive persons due to a false pride, and their religion rather too often a mere cultural movement, it seems..

I had to call the police against a crooked AOG pastor who was abusing me, stealing money, stealing from his flock in my witness too. I am known for and I like to deal with the whole truth too..

Pastors too often still do falsely think they are above the law and yet many of them have, do threaten to sue you when you get too close and personal about them. They want it both ways, they cannot though. They the evangelical pastors firstly do need to get real, to act like real Christians firstly now and work for God rather then self. The bad pastors are trying to get falsely their rewards on earth it seems and not in heaven.. Do what I say and not what I do is what they also too often do still preach. Pastors have to firstly be a good example of what they preach to others as well..

So the other real question as to whether apostles, prophets, pastor teachers exists today as in the Time of Jesus Christ first needs to be superseded by the question as to whether all true Christians are now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, Anointed, Greek word , Christos meaning one who shows evidence of the holy Spirit.. and the answer is yes… all true Christians are evidentiary now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, and if the other people cannot see this you certainly are not a true Christian.

“The Christian church needs a whole lot less showmanship and a lot more humble leaders who work patiently and persistently in their local congregations for the growth of God’s people in faith, in love and in hope. “

Mercy is given by God to those who repent for a start.,, not those who claim they have like Tim the false accuser of the good brethren still too

while their own actions show the reality they still really have not really repented now personaly..

Anyone saw the proof that even Todd Bentley had repented? The topic crooked pastors… a too common undeniable reality theses days in Canada too

Still all Pastors need to take the beam out of their own eyes before preaching to others still too.. I rightfully would rather see a sermon personally practiced over one merely falsely preached to others. I was shocked that not only adultery is a common pastor problem still but so is alcohol.. and what else? lying, slander, abuse of others..

(2 Tim 3:1 KJV) This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Would you still believe it that one person next still wrote back to me and said he could not understand what I had written that was so bad even about him, of what his sins were, their false denial of their personal sins is so deep, they have been abusing others, sinning so long that it has become natural, acceptable to them.

(Mat 18:6 KJV) But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

(Mat 18:7 KJV) Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

(Mat 18:8 KJV) Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

(Mat 18:9 KJV) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

(Mat 18:10 KJV) Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/shocked/

on how I see the too often pretentious Christians

The only thing in the Bible I rightfully do follow related to the Laws and Prophets. (old Testament) is Jesus, a summary as per Matthew 2:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Now beyond that I do not follow the doctrine of the Old covenant from God only to the Jews, Israel. I follow the New Covenant between God and the world and more precisely , the whole New Testament. Jesus the Word, the Holy Spirit.

Most people are like dumb sheep being told what to do. They are Bible ignorant, know almost nothing personally about what Jesus and the Apostles have said still too. There really is no true light in them. They are religious but have a God shaped void still.. Sadly it seems to apply to 70 percent of the professing Evangelical Christians and their poor pastors, And many of them have false, misleading internet sites just to show off, try to falsely be popular. They are mostly empty wells and it easy too to spot them

(Isa 8:9 KJV) Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces.

(Isa 8:10 KJV) Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us.

(Isa 8:11 KJV) For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying,

(Isa 8:12 KJV) Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.

(Isa 8:13 KJV) Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

(Isa 8:14 KJV) And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

(Isa 8:15 KJV) And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

(Isa 8:16 KJV) Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

(Isa 8:17 KJV) And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.

(Isa 8:18 KJV) Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

(Isa 8:19 KJV) And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

(Isa 8:20 KJV) To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

(Isa 8:21 KJV) And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.

(Isa 8:22 KJV) And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.
International Standard Version (©2008)
These men are dried-up springs, mere clouds driven by a storm. Gloomy darkness is reserved for them.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved.

GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
These false teachers are dried-up springs. They are a mist blown around by a storm. Gloomy darkness has been kept for them.

King James Bible
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

American King James Version
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

American Standard Version
These are springs without water, and mists driven by a storm; for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved.

Bible in Basic English
These are fountains without water, and mists before a driving storm; for whom the eternal night is kept in store.

Douay-Rheims Bible
These are fountains without water, and clouds tossed with whirlwinds, to whom the mist of darkness is reserved.

Darby Bible Translation
These are springs without water, and mists driven by storm, to whom the gloom of darkness is reserved for ever.

English Revised Version
These are springs without water, and mists driven by a storm; for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved.

Webster’s Bible Translation
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

Weymouth New Testament
These people are wells without water, mists driven along by a storm, men for whom the dense darkness has been reserved.

World English Bible
These are wells without water, clouds driven by a storm; for whom the blackness of darkness has been reserved forever.

Young’s Literal Translation
These are wells without water, and clouds by a tempest driven, to whom the thick gloom of the darkness to the age hath been kept;

Geneva Study Bible{8} These are {o} wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of {p} darkness is reserved for ever.

(8) Another note by which it may be known what manner of men they are, because they have inwardly nothing but that which is utterly vain or very harmful, although they make a show of some great goodness, yet they shall not escape unpunished for it, because under pretence of false freedom, they draw men into the most miserable slavery of sin.

(o) Who boast of knowledge and have nothing in them.

(p) Most gross darkness.

People’s New Testament

2:17 These are wells without water. Springs without water (Revised Version). They promise much but disappoint.

Clouds that are carried with a tempest. Mists driven by a storm (Revised Version). The thought is the same. These mists promise rain, but it fails to descend.

To whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For these apostates the blackness of darkness is reserved (Revised Version).

http://bible.cc/2_peter/2-17.htm

(1 Cor 3:21 KJV) Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

Why Are So Many Evangelical Christians Obsessed With Predicting the Future ? Obsessed with the End Times? And the latest Christian publishing Obsession is a seven-volume post-Rapture, dispensational soap opera. Most people are like dumb sheep being told what to do. They are Bible ignorant, know almost nothing personally about what Jesus and the Apostles have said still too.

There are real dangers to end-times obsessions: a disinclination to work toward long-term solutions, a propensity to focus on prophetic fulfillment at the expense of ethical concerns (something Israel’s prophets were never accused of), and a perverse satisfaction in cultural decay. This perversity of an ongoing cultural fascination with End Times and a willingness to help usher them in by proclaiming how rotten things are in the world right now — a key tenet in the false Rapture theology, as in life, is that things usually get worse before they get better. Rapture oriented and Judgmental Christians are demonic induced. Where did Jesus and the Apostles say help to support the rebuilding of the nation of Israel, or Judaism?“

There is to much false date-setting now as there has been in the past,” A false Math and a false religion. Many so called Christian groups have tried to use the Bible to predict when the world will end, using a (hardly clear-cut) combination of events mentioned in the apocalyptic Book of Revelation. There is centuries-long tradition of false Christians who have made false predictions of coming judgments, end times. The public having been played for fools. Stop making fools of yourselves

As predicted by Jesus in 70 AD: The Roman Army destroyed Jerusalem, killed over 1 million Jews, took about 100,000 into slavery and captivity, and scattered all the Jews from Palestine to other locations in the Roman Empire. and in 200 AS: Roman Emperor Severus forbade religious conversions to Judaism, In 306 AD: The church Synod of Elvira banned marriages, sexual intercourse and community contacts between Christians and Jews. . In 315 AD: Constantine published the Edict of Milan which extended religious tolerance to Christians. Jews lost many rights with this edict. They were no longer permitted to live in Jerusalem, or to proselytize. 528 AD: Emperor Justinian (527-564) passed the Justinian Code. It prohibited Jews from building synagogues, reading the Bible in Hebrew, assemble in public, celebrate Passover before Easter, and testify against Christians in court. 535 AD : The “Synod of Claremont decreed that Jews could not hold public office or have authority over Christians.” Augustine wrote “The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus.” The New Zealand Church censored of all references to Zion and Jerusalem in the new Psalter and liturgy.

Jesus has removed Israel from God’s plan, rejecting the past rights and destiny of natural Israel. The opposition to Zionism, Judaism is still Biblical. And the Persecution of the Jews can only cease if they converted to Christianity. The simple truth that none of us know with absolute certainty what will happen shortly in the world.

Too many false prophets had foretold the end of the world but not their own death. It is clear from ancient prophesies that the Messiah will come to save his people from their enemies in the end times. And Jesus did that he saved his people those who put their trust in Him. He cannot save the Jews, if they reject Him. To try rather to destroy Jesus, the Church, Christians is to support the work of Satan. Jesus the Messiah has come to destroy the works of Satan, ungodly Jews.

( Mat 7:16 KJV) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 ) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Many people think that the end times biblical prophecies about the antichrist, 666, the end of the world , Israel, Zionism, the Battle of Armageddon are still for the weirdoes, religious fanatics , oddballs, extremists, those persons who afraid to face life today, ahead of them and falsely now do look for an escape from it. The Basic problem here also is not the Bible detailed Prophecies themselves but rather how many people misinterpret them, add their views, and it seems few of them even agree with each others still. In reality even these days many Christians SADLY themselves have never studied what the Bible actually says and because of this they often wrongfully leave it to others to read the Bible for them too they thus are too easily deceived by the imposters, cults, sects, wolves in sheep clothing, false teachers, false prophets, false elders too.

Undeniably Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, Bible ignorant persons often lie and preach their own false agendas. false doctrines in churches, on the net.. and the main reason for that still is that MOST of them have not been called directly to preach , or to teach by God and they are doing so mostly for money, power, personal fame, recognition, slave hood and demonic influence even..

Many of you professing Christians, Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Hebrew Israelite’s are deceived, because you believe more in your man made religions, your many different divisions of denominations, your religious lies, your false leaders, false teachers, false prophets, false apostles, and false teachers, more than you believe in the absolute truth of GOD’S word in CHRIST JESUS!

Many of you are deceived by your own religious leaders because you will not seek after JESUS for yourselves, like JESUS commanded you to do so! Many of you are deceived because you do not seek after JESUS with your whole heart, mind, and soul, that you might know GOD for yourself through the revelation knowledge of JESUS CHRIST for yourself!

Many of you are deceived because you just love to be deceived, you trust in man more than you trust in GOD, and you love the praises of men more than you love the praise of GOD! Many of you are deceived because you have chosen to become servants of mere men instead of becoming the real sons and daughters of GOD!

Many of you are deceived because you lack the revelation knowledge of GOD in CHRIST JESUS, and you have not become GOD’S true chosen anointed prophets, priests, kings, queens, and his present day anointing in the earth, because you allowed men to deceive you! Many of you are deceived simply because you are followers of men, and not true followers of JESUS CHRIST!”

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:4-8, 10-14

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2015/11/05/the-end-times-does-it-matter-and-who-cares/

TOO OFTEN FALSE BASH OF PENTACOSTALS HEALERS

Our actions must be founded on what we know to be true from God’s Word, and that what is being directed us personally to each one of us by the Holy Spirit, and to do that we all still do need to continually in reality live a Holy Sprit filled life. it starts by daily reading the Bible, having a Bible devotional, and sadly even most pastors do not do that too.

Mark 16:17 And these attesting signs will accompany those who believe: in My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages;
Mark 16:18 They will pick up serpents; and [even] if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well.
Mark 16:19 So then the Lord Jesus, after He had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and He sat down at the right hand of God.
Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord kept working with them and confirming the message by the attesting signs {and} miracles that closely accompanied [it]. Amen (so be it).

In contrast I read on the net what the bullies, bashers say about healings, miracles.
http://hiscrivener.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/faith-healers-could-encounter-a-setback-at-the-altar/
http://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/george-banovs-blasphemous-prophecy-at-todd-bentleys-ordination/
It should be clear to most of us, the bad guys do not like my pages still.. it shows them in their true light.. the bad guys, bullies, bashers or what ever?

THE WAY MANY FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELICAL AND SUPPOSEDLY PROFESSING CHRISTIAN CRITICS TRY TO MAKE FUN AT OTHER CHRISTIANS IS SICKENING, A VERY POOR THEOLOGY AND IS SADLY NOW ALSO TYPICAL OF THE MUCH TOO OFTEN FALSE BASHING OF THE PENTECOSTALS TOO! It clearly makes me think that Satan himself is behind most of it still too.

And what about the Phony wars and phony peace by the professing Christians now too..
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/

As to bullies question to me.. ““are you ranting”… my how you still do like to bash, insult people.. you do not know them even well enough to falsely even try to judge them, your approach is quite immature and unspiritual too.. looking for a big fight cause someone had stepped on your sore toes.. http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/more-about-control-freaks/

I certainly hope you do not profess wrongfully to be a Christian to anyone, cause you do not act like it for sure… nor do I hope you abuse all the people like that who make a post here.. a sure way to next lose many people still too. Stay in God’s love and not rather in the flesh.. we may not agree, do have a right to differ, but we still do need to show love to the others. Need more input from me on the subject.. I have it detailed even on 5 internet sites.. ”

It is very clear that the much too many false Critics of the Pentecostals will try to grasp at any straws to falsely bash the Pentecostal and still try to justify their own immoral acts..

Any Christian being plagued with critics, opponents, unsubstantiated personal attacks too now, is really nothing new even to the past apostles, prophets , Jesus Christ himself who have face many similar bullies, groups etc., the devil is too ready an accuser of the Brethren, and tries to continually discredit any work of God even since the time of Jesus Christ himself now too even using inapplicable and distorted Biblical reasons and Bible verses now too.
I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings any of of the latter rain churches..

A MAJORITY OF THE CRITICS OF THE LATTER DAY REVIVALS, are too clearly their now too often diverting back wrongfully the topic discussions, and themselves making often personal insulting, unacceptable derogatory remarks and even their evidently their typical unChristlike bullying Reponses, self righteous, a superiority attitude, and what else? is not the right approach from anyone and it does continue to reflect poorly on ALL OF THEM STILL too…
THE WAY THEY THEMSELVES DO UNDENIABLY POINT FINGERS AT THEIR SELF DEFINED OPPONENTS, IN A JUDGMENTAL MANNER, UNLOVING, UNKIND, UNJUSTIFIABLE MANNER IS CLEARLY THE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE NOW TOO. And very revealing what they are firstly like themselves
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/understanding-me-and-others-better/

“I have read in the last month every wordpress site, and many others sites openly bashing, abusing, slandering the Florida revival, Todd, the latter day Pentecostals and yet to date I personally have not read, seen one valid criticism, decent presentation at all.. what a great shocker.. It all seems more like little immature, jealous kids still fighting over which one of them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and who will be last.. what a real absurdity. I myself though have opposed Todd Bentley’s associated with some really bad pastors, trying to make money form selling items at the revival.. and his false application for divorce..

Hey Critics, Don’t get desperate but get real… like I have rightfully said I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings of any of the latter rain churches..

I did not say Charismatic supposedly churches.. cause we know those often mean rather the Catholic Pentecostals..

as to what the Bible says is only how you here do interpret it.. not the Holy Spirit.

I have been a Christian for 50 years and a Pentecostal pastor for the last 30 years, and I have attended the latter day churches too and often.. and specifically what about you? not the supposed others..

The Latter Rain movement was rejected by the AOG Pentecostals in 1948 as heretical… and what they are speaking for God now.. dream on.. There are other Pentecostal persons, denominations who support them, approve of them, me included. The AOG has it’s own falsehoods, and problems it needs to look at.. (Mat 7:3 KJV) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

The Full Gospel Business Men’s fellowship uses a similar latter rain approach for decades now too.
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/laying-of-hands-impartation-breathe-of-the-spirit-anointings-anointed/

Too many persons are bashing other Pentecostals with clearly a hidden agenda, jealousy, and it is still the wrong thing to do so now too.. they are not even doing it in love or humility Cleary as required by the Bible now too. ”

Even because Evangelical Fundamentalism, dispensationalists, too often also replaces the worship of God , the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ with the sole worship of the Bible, bypassing the works of the Holy Spirit it seems, though most Fundamentalists will deny that. Liberalism, too, replaces the worship of God, and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ with the worship of something else. In the case of Liberalism, however, the worship of God was replaced by the worship of mere human reason , and both groups are not that far apart, for they are are in error.

Fundamentalists worship every word and letter in the Bible. Actually, they worship their own private re-interpretation of scripture (compare 2 Peter 1:20). This is the same error that the Pharisees fell into. They ended up worshiping Torah more than God, and, even more than Torah, they worshiped their own interpretations (and the interpretations of the elders) of Torah. (They still do so today, only now they have codified those traditions into the Talmud.) Likewise, so do Fundamentalists worship their own interpretation of Scripture. In both cases, “they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.” (Romans 1:25).

Fundamentalists and Liberals too need to learn the truth of 2 Corinthians 3:6, “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” They need to seek God in SPIRIT and in Truth. Liberals need to learn the truth of John 4:23 (quoted above) and of John 6:63, “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.” They need to seek God in Spirit and in TRUTH.

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/12941.htm
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/hard-to-tell-the-difference/

Reality! These days it is too hard to tell the difference between secular persons and even evangelical pastors, elders, deacons too for they all seem to do the same bad things too.. adultery, alcoholism, gossip, slander, divorce..

And when I see shallow arguments of anyone still limiting today as to what God today can do, even through us, EVEN ABOUT HEALING, it makes me rightfully also think how shallow their Christian faith now really is.. they are still babies in the Lord and need someone to teach them the whole truth, the whole , full gospel too, for my God can do anything, Jesus is the same , yesterday, today and forever.

ON TOP OF THAT I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW SO MANY OF THESE SAME PERSONS PERSONS ALSO FALSELY RISE TO DEFEND SMOKING, WINE, ALCOHOL AS WELL AND WORK FULLY TO DENY IT IS SINFUL.. “Spurgeon was once asked when he would quit smoking cigars. He replied, “When it becomes a problem.” He was then asked, “When will it become a problem?” To which he replied, “When I smoke two at a time.” AND look at all the false justifications for Spurgeon’s sin.. and do see also alcoholism the unacceptable sin

When you talk about what the scriptures says you honestly should also point out that you mean it is how you now interpret what the scripture says.. cause too many of us read different things out of the same scriptures as we all do know firstly..

The people who also tell us to use only the Bible often still lie further to us.. they ask us also to use men’s commentaries, instead of the Holy spirit to next interpret the Bible.

(Eph 4:18 KJV) Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

I tend to look at both sides of the issues myself.. for that matter I have now been both non Christian, and Christian, both Baptist and Pentecostal, and both groups still do have major errors, weakness, inadequacies, and they now also have some good points too.. but still there is no such thing as a perfect denomination now as well

But one other thing often is clearly is evident to me visiting, reading the many so called Professing Christians sites mostly all telling us the supposed truth, postings often more with dishonest hidden agendas, poorly researched too, very biased now too.. It also seems to me they are also still are trying to convince themselves as to what is the truth is and no one else, they build up their own false straw arguments, and then do reply to their own arguments. It is generally too often now not an honest presentation, discussion of the topic they have presented. http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/todd-bentley-gets-annointed-by-special-oil-from-africa/
>>Pastors are going there by the droves. I know one personally. He went to Toronto to bring some of “it” back and he’s done the same thing with Lakeland. I think he thinks this will be the answer to filling the seats in his church, “http://Christian theology.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/depart-from-me-i-never-knew-you/

>Did he really tell you that or are you in truth distorting, lying, falsely judging him and many others cause you are a controlling person ?
I see nothing wrong in going there and I am real Christian now too

The nonconformer replied “I never knew you, is not a criticism by Jesus that the healings, miracles done by the person(s) were false.. but a true statement that they really never knew Jesus fully or personally, it seems to apply to you now firstly too. For no pastor, evangelist, healer IS PERFECT TO START OFF..

You are so sensitive to others being supposedly false, cause you clearly are false, now take the beam out of your own eye first.. Someone is wrong here and I don’t think it is that difficult (except perhaps for you) to determine who that is and that is you.. for you do twist Bible verses, slander, falsely quickly bash others to suit your own views..

Clearly Judas was an Apostle, better look at the definition of an Apostle, an Apostle is not an unchristian person.. and he was next replaced in the book of acts by another Apostle. The fact that Jesus knew that Judas would betray him does not mean he was not anointed.. but first better look at the meaning of the word anointed now.. one who evidences the Holy spirit.. with signs and wonders Acts 10:38

If you do not let the Holy spirit lead you as to what a verse actually means you are part of the Blind leading the blind now, forget trying to say the scripture cannot be wrong, rather you are wrong.. “You throw the term free will around as if it does not need to be defined. ” and yet you clearly in desperation rebuttal quoted back a verse that has nothing to do with one’s free will.

“You have contradicted now three times the Word of Jesus,” and what a further false and wrong, judgmental act on your part too, you so easily condemn a person whom you do not know, never met, another real Christian, a real Christian now over 50 years too, and I have been pastoring now for over 3 decades as a Pentecostal pastor too. So get a real life. Really do get Jesus.”

Why is it so many people try too limit the power of God, and they work so hard to try to tell us what God can and cannot do today.. for sure, definitely it is not only cause they are spiritually immature, have a hidden agenda, are promoting themselves, or they are unoriginal parrots who repeat what others have said , but it is often still mainly because Satan for sure is behind all this too.
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/discern-it/
Evangelical fundamental parrots often need to quote someone else cause they do not know the Holy spirit well enough to let him lead them, even the truth about healing. I SPEAK FOR MYSELF. http://pbulow.tripod.com/healing.html
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/64/

Is 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no one else; there is no God besides Me. I will gird {and} arm you, though you have not known Me,

(Jer 32:27 KJV) Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks, persons, civil and public servants, politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,

Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

I undeniably could not help but notice on even the web too how supposedly British religious clergies, scholars, Christians, falsely also do bash American Pentecostal revivals? It is not being done out of jealousy too?

http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/it-is-not-good-for-the-man-to-dwell-alone/

I have been on the net for over 2 decades, and I have thousands of readers regularly reading my posts. Hey I too have often said that there are many professing bashers, bullies, liars now even on the Christian internet and they think they alone can make the rules, enforce the rules on others, and that is too bad for them too for they need to grow up.. and to firstly get used to the right of free speech of others, other’s right to be heard and to male their own posts .. I only have about 30 internet sites written often for these bad hypocritical Christians now too so hopefully they too will learn the truth about themselves.. too bad guys do not like me to use my right of free speech.. so what else is new.. they by their bullying, control freak approach clearly show to all what hypocritical Christians they rather are! They are not humble servants of Jesus for sure.

isn’t it great that we all can have the same right to make a post now and the same right to have it read by others now too?

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/fundamental-evangelical-and-supposedly-professing-christian-critics/

Discern It

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks, persons, civil and public servants, politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,

Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

“Is the Holy Spirit the focus of your church? Georgian Banov’s Blasphemous Prophecy at Todd Bentley’s “Ordination.”

” In Todd Bentley’s initiation “ordination” ceremony last week one George Banov spoke providing Bentley a ‘prophetic word.’ I must say that initially, at least, he was a welcome relief following the demonic, frenetic, wild head shakin’ thang of Stacey Campbell. Banov comes in at 6:00 minutes:A quick internet search could not produce much info on Banov; but, he’s obviously of the same heretical Latter Rain ‘stream’ as the others on stage. The reason I wish to call attention to this is the fact that in his ‘word’ Banov uses two Messianic prophetic scriptures and claims God told him these were for Bentley! Here’s the transcription: “Todd on behalf of the Eastern European nations and former Communist Countries, we want to tell you that we acknowledge and honor what’s upon you. And, we give you the keys for Eastern Europe — especially the poor, the rejected, the gypsies. “And The Lord says that because you’ve loved his personal presence there are two anointings that are released on His presence and I just want to release those two anointings on you from the LORD. By the way, the Lord says ‘you are well pleasing son.’ The Father, Abba, says that to you personally. The first anointing is the anointing of the pleasure of the LORD. [emphasis mine] “’Surely He has borne our grief, sickness and weakness and carried our sorrow and the pain and the punishment of us all. He was considered stricken, smitten and afflicted by God; but, He was bruised for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities and chastisement that brought our peace came upon him and by His stripes we were healed and made whole.’ [Isaiah 53:4-6] And, yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him and in His presence there is fullness of joy and pleasure for evermore. [This is apparently a paraphrase of more than one scripture with another.] And, God’s releasing his pleasure of what He did to Jesus upon you Todd. “And, the second anointing that he wants to release upon you is in Psalm 45 but it’s also in Hebrews chapter one verse nine. It says, ‘Because you have loved righteousness and you have delighted in integrity and virtue and uprightness in heart and thought and action and you have hated injustice and iniquity; therefore God, your God has anointed you with the oil of exultant joy and gladness above and beyond your companions.’ We bless you.” Not only does he quote two Messianic scriptures and applies these to Bentley, he even goes so far as to claim that the Lord referred to Todd as a ‘well pleasing son’ thus putting Bentley on par with Jesus! [Matthew 3:17; Mark 1:11; Luke 3:22] Does this not show this group to be promoting Manifest Sons of God doctrine – part of the heresy of the Latter Rain teachings? And, no one batted an eyelash on stage or in the audience. In fact, they clapped and cheered. I wish to point out that there is only one true ( source of the ) anointing( as opposed to many ??) – the anointing of the Holy Spirit upon true believers who accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. 24 See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—even eternal life. 26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit — just as it has taught you, remain in him. [1 John 2:20-27 NIV] To promote that we can attain Christlikeness this side of glory is tantamount to denying Jesus Christ’s exclusive Divinity as the One and only Son of God. As the Apostle John points out above, this is the spirit of antichrist. submitted by Lee “

Nice to note the reference to the poor too but I undeniably, for sure have received many different anointings in my life for various specific services from the Holy spirit by the laying on of hands now too,

“Lee, “in your opinion, Bentley’s fails”? Do you not value others opinions? Do you believe you can be wrong on this? This is what I meant when I referred to a wrong interpretation of scripture.”

“How do you handle it when other Christians disagree with you? Lee “

“And, remember, always share humbly that you may be wrong. Your interpretation of the matter may be wrong. You respect their position, even if it’s contrary to your human interpretation of a non-absolute of scripture. Don’t butcher them publicly and them him hurt and attacked. Rather, pray for them, speak well of them, love them and lift them up. Beyond that, it’s not your battle to fight. “

And thenonconformer next said.. It is very clear that the much too many false Critics of the Pentecostals will try to grasp at any straws to falsely bash the Pentecostal and still try to justify their immoral acts..

I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings any of of the latter rain churches..

A MAJORITY OF THE CRITICS OF THE LATTER DAY REVIVALS, are too clearly their often diverting back wrongfully the topic discussions, making often personal insulting, unacceptable derogatory remarks is even THEIR typical unChristlike bulling Reponses, self righteous, a superiority attitude, and what else? is not the right approach from anyone and it does continue to reflect poorly on ALL OF THEM STILL too…

THE WAY THEY THEMSELVES DO UNDENIABLY POINT FINGERS AT THEIR SELF DEFINED OPPONENTS, IN A JUDGMENTAL MANNER, UNLOVING, UNKIND, UNJUSTIFIABLE MANNER IS CLEARLY THE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE NOW TOO.

And very revealing what they are firstly like themselves
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/understanding-me-and-others-better/

“To the non conformer- Got any examples there or are you just ranting? For the record, I believe in Charismatic gifts and vehemently oppose these latter rain revivals. You’ve simply dismissed any opposition to this heresy as unloving and unkind by using blanket statements like: “I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly…” “and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings any of of the latter rain churches…” “…making often personal insulting, unacceptable derogatory remarks is even THEIR typical unChristlike bulling Reponses, self righteous, a superiority attitude…””

In reply now thenonconformer said I have read in the last month every wordpress site, and many others sites openly bashing, abusing, slandering the Florida revival, Todd, the latter day Pentecostals and yet to date I personally have not read, seen one valid criticism, decent presentation at all.. what a great shocker.. It all seems more like little immature, jealous kids still fighting over which one of them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and who will be last.. what a real absurdity. Don’t get desperate but get real… like I have rightfully said I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings of any of the latter rain churches.. I did not say Charismatic supposedly churches.. cause we know those often mean rather the Catholic Pentecostals.. as to what the Bible says is only how you here do interpret it.. not the Holy Spirit. I have been a Christian for 50 years and a Pentecostal pastor for the last 30 years, and I have attended the latter day churches too and often.. and specifically what about you? not the supposed others.. The Latter Rain movement was rejected by the AoG Pentecostals in 1948 as heretical… and they are speaking for God now.. dream on.. There are other pentacostal denominations who support them, approve of them, me included. The full Gospel Business Men’s fellowship uses a similar approach for decades now too. many persons bashing other Pentecostals with clearly a hidden agenda is still the wrong thing to do now too.. they are not doing it in love or humility Cleary as required by the Bible now too. http://pbulow.tripod.com/ http://groups.msn.com/AFOLLOWEROFCHRIST https://postedat.wordpress.com/

You ask “are you ranting”… my how you like to bash, insult people.. you do not know to even try to judge them, quite immature and unspiritual too.. looking for a big fight cause someone had stepped on your sore toes.. I certainly hope you do not profess wrongfully to be a Christian to anyone, cause you do not act like it for sure… nor do I hope you abuse all the people like that who make a post here.. a sure way to next lose many people still too. Stay in God’s love and not rather in the flesh.. we may not agree, do have a right to differ, but we still do need to show love to the others. Need more input from me on the subjects.. I have it detailed even on 5 internet sites.. including https://postedat.wordpress.com http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/

You say ” Todd Bentley is a savage wolf in sheep’s clothing and a false apostle, who is being led by a counterfeit “Jesus” and “spirit”” , Bud “

Thenonconformer, “my how you like to bash, insult people..” “…looking for a big fight cause someone had stepped on your sore toes.. I certainly hope you do not profess wrongfully to be a Christian to anyone…” Tell me what is even scriptural right about this one sided, bullying, bashing, lying, a argumentative, ungodly, unchristlike posts clearly not done in love too.. hope you still do not profess to be a Christian, cause you give a really bad image to the real Christians.

and you lie and distort often what I have said still too.. I never asked you to fall in line, I had asked you to act like real Christians, and show real love, not mostly hatred rather.. Like i have said When you talk about what the scriptures says you honestly should also point out that you mean it is how you now interpret what the scripture says.. cause too many of us read different things out of the same scriptures as we all do know firstly.. The people who also tell us to use only the Bible often still lie further to us.. they ask us also to use men’s commentaries, instead of the Holy spirit to next interpret the Bible. (Eph 4:18 KJV) Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Why is it so many people (control freaks) try too limit the power of God, and they work so hard to try to tell us what God can and cannot do today.. for sure, definitely it is not only cause they are spiritually immature, have a hidden agenda, are promoting themselves, or they are unoriginal parrots who repeat what others have said , but it is often still mainly because Satan for sure is behind all this too.

Is 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no one else; there is no God besides Me. I will gird {and} arm you, though you have not known Me,(Jer 32:27 KJV) Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Aside from that fact many do not know, read , they do not understand the scriptures, the Bible in reality but merely mouth what they think or what others have said instead..

Latter rain is a term referring to the new outpouring of the Holy Spirit on today’s Pentecostals. The events of Pentecost are known as the former rain.
The idea of latter rain comes from this Old Testament text, which precedes Joel’s prophecy that God will pour out his Spirit on all people:
Be glad, O people of Zion,
rejoice in the LORD your God,
for he has given you
the autumn rains in righteousness.
He sends you abundant showers,
both autumn and spring rains, as before.
Joel 2:23
The early Pentecostals connect their own experience of the Spirit with that of the disciples, and Peter’s quoting of Joel’s prophecy in Acts 2: 16-21 is a further prophecy that God would pour out his Spirit again at a later time.
They tend to state that the pouring out of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost as the early autumn rain, and the second pouring out of the Spirit, that they were experiencing, as the later spring rains; the Latter Rain.
The idea of latter rain is found throughout many denominations of Pentecostalism, but specifically the Latter Rain Movement, founded in 1948, teaches that the second coming of Jesus is due to happen soon and that latter rain is evidence for this.

I have read in the last month every wordpress site, and many others sites openly bashing, abusing, slandering the Florida revival, Todd, the latter day Pentecostals and yet to date I personally have not read, seen one valid criticism, decent presentation at all.. what a great shocker.. It all seems more like little immature, jealous kids still fighting over which one of them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and who will be last.. what a real absurdity.

Don’t get desperate but get real… like I have rightfully said I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings of any of the latter rain churches..

I did not say Charismatic supposedly churches.. cause we know those often mean rather the Catholic Pentecostals..

as to what the Bible says it is only how you here do interpret it.. not the Holy Spirit.

Need more input from me on the subjects.. I have it detailed even on 5 internet sites.. including https://postedat.wordpress.com http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/

Some people would say I too have never seen alcohol do one good thing for anyone rather mostly a lot of evil.. . and do look at things associated with alcohol…bars, strip clubs, drunks, DUI’s, addiction and the like. Tell me who your friends are and I can always tell what you are like too. These are not activities a true Christian should participate in. Therefore, it is better to SHUN even an appearance of evil. And yes Christians are commanded that our bodies are not to be mastered by anything…our bodies are the temple of God. We are always to be in self control. not rather selfish oriented. Also, the wine Jesus and the apostle used, wine was likely not fermented in biblical times as it is today, it was rather grape juice, and was unlikely to cause drunkenness as easily. Falsely for too many professing Christians Smoking, Homosexuality is okay, drinking alcohol is okay, using profanity is okay, tax evasion is OK, Cheating, lying, stealing is OK.. Get a real life. Get Jesus It does sounds like many always rejected the truth of the Bible, Jesus and have finally found a denomination that supports their sin. The Gospel according to them. Lucky them? Not at all. They also tend to show the mental sloppiness, dishonesty common to the liberals, bashers of Pentecostals and fundamentalists, not those elf real Christians for sure.

A preacher had recently written to me and said to me that we all should get more of the Word into us, meaning the Bible, but what we all do need is more of the Holy Spirit, starting with His fruit of love, for I also now could not help but notice how unkind, proud, arrogant this preacher still was himself.. too many preachers now know the Word but they seem too easily forget to also live it themselves firstly, and I rightfully would rather see a sermon practiced, then merely hear it lip service preached too. Much too easier to preach it to others, harder to live it oneself..

(Neh 8:10 KJV) Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this day is holy unto our Lord: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the LORD is your strength

” I see there is some objection to calling Latter Rain a heresy, as well as Banov’s comments to Bentley. In particular, here is one comment I’d like to address: “It is very clear that the much too many false Critics of the pentecostals will try to grasp at any straws to falsely bash the pentecostal and still try to justify their immoral acts..”

I would like to point out that it was the Assembly of God, a pentecostal denomination, who believes in the practice of all the spiritual gifts, who officially declared that Latter Rain was heretical.”

“I doubt your comment above about the AoG declaring Latter Rain a heresy will have much affect. Someone else further up the thread already pointed that out and basically that fact was laughed at as inconsequential.”

“Is it not possible that Todd loves righteousness and has delighted in integrity? “

“The problem with these comments comes down to arrogance, in all humility when you guys bash “Fuller” that tells me you are coming at this from with far more “pride” than you are compassion. If a brother is in error go to them, have you written Todd Bentley a certified letter? Do you have compassion?”

“Lee unfortunately all your responses are based on “your” interpretation of Scripture. Your foundation is not Scripture, but yourself and how you interpret it.

There is no truth to the accusations you are making against Todd Bentley. I pray that your eyes would be opened to all you are missing in the Holy Spirit.

Am I saying everything Todd Bentley does or has ever done is correct? No, I have not seen everything, what I have seen has been done with integrity, with the power of God, with humility and with a focus on Jesus Christ and Him being worshipped. Also unless you have any experience with healing, miracles, prophecy, resurrections, encounters with God, etc you have no right to make a judgement. You have no experience with which to even judge or speak to others about. Until you are doing the works of Jesus your interpretation of Scripture is worth little. Your Kingdom of God is based your talk, the one in the Bible is based on power. I pray your eyes would be opened to the more that God has for you!”

thenonconformer said.. If you don’t answer questions, whatever. It is cause what I have posted is very clear and undeniable too already and because I am not foolish to play your fighting game, get a real life and act like a real christian.. and here is what I have posted about the OAG

The Assemblies of God Pentecostal supporters, members are noted for their opposition to the Florida Lakeland revival, and to the Latter day movement.. and I rightfully as I do dislike their too often abusive unchristian like posts too.. but why the opposition? Jealous? How wordly, ungoldy? It supposedly competes with their own revival?

“I have just returned from Buffalo and am now home in Pensacola. What awesome services on Sunday! Pastor Tommy Reid said to his congregation, “There are moments when God moves in a church and today is one of them!” I am always humbled when the Lord moves. From the first service at 8 am to the last service at 11:30 God moved in all three. The first service, which is mainly seniors, had a wonderful sense of God’s power! As I prayed for the saints of the church, each one fell under the power of God! How humbling! When the second service crowd started to move into the sanctuary they saw their beloved seniors prostrate out on the floor! That’s enough to build anyone’s faith. I had the privilege of praying for probably another two to three hundred people. The second service rolled right into the third service which is primarily a multi cultural service. God was faithful and moved again touching lives at the altar! http://www.brownsville-revival.org/

and like many other Pentecostals, Alliance, Baptist, Evangelical Churches they falsely do not include helping poor people in their own churches as an essential Christian doctrine now too? why?

(Rom 15:26 KJV) For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. (2 Cor 9:9 KJV) (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. (Gal 2:10 KJV) Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. (James 2:5 KJV) Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? (James 2:6 KJV) But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?

“I just quickly read your most recent post; and, I’m not sure why you insist on bringing in things totally unrelated to the post. You have no idea if anyone who posts here does or does not give to the poor in our own churches. I don’t even wish to field a response to it. Please refrain from these excursions in the future or your entire post will be deleted.”

thenonconformer replied Actually I said their church doctrines do not include giving to the poor and why was that ? you yourself had referred to the poor people in your starting address..

thenonconformer replied I HAVE RIGHTFULLY BECOME SUSPICIOUS OF WHAT I HEAR, READ, AND TEST IT RIGHTFULLY TOO.. and I do even look for their too often, false hidden agendas as well.. Now some persons not help but notice that bashing of the mostly white man’s Latter Day Pentecostal revival, denomination by the Mostly Black AOG Pentecostal movement? is this what it is really all about now here too? But also I have never said that the Latter Day Pentecostal revival leaders were saints, in fact I have often said the opposite and for specific valid reasons. But I see no valid Proof still that Todd Bentley is totally wrong..

I was in a super great Church once, ( a latter day denomination- The Calgary Christian Centre) even though the Pastors were stealing, abusing the funds, committing adultery, counseling divorce, gossiping, slandering, lying, and so forth. The Holy Spirit due to the prayers of some of the faithful persons there was really moving in their services, and many people were getting saved, healed and delivered, and the praise and worship services were really great. God specifically had told me to go to this church as well, but he had put a condition on it, he said do not talk with, communicate, fellowship with any of the pastors. I had done some great personal counseling in that Church as well.. met some great and also bad people.

Micah 3:6 KJV) Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. 7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God. 8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

I had good reasons supposedly for not Pastoring once, one of which was there now supposedly were plenty of other good Pastors, much better Pastors than me around.. and both arguments were lies as God himself next showed me firsthand when I interviewed about 45 evangelical pastors.. even about their marital counselling practises… which is almost none! This is also really surprising when about 70 percent of all people even in the churches tend to have major marital problems sooner or later.. Pretender, liar and that is so typical of evangelical pastors in Canada, elders, and pastors of the false Christian Missionary Alliance church now too. I wrote about this false church before too. No wonder most of the evangelical pastors as well do commit adultery, or steal, commit tax evasions, gossip, slander, abuse others and falsely counsel divorce now too. In reality 70 percent of all of the the pastors are still really bad, still doing a real bad job.. for firstly they tend not to use the Bible at all in their own personal counseling practices but rather they tend to do use an immoral, humanistic, psychological approach, or they simple say get divorced and wrongfully too. Their actual daily usage of the Bible, not books really can show you how good or bad pastors they still are, and never mind what useless Bible college or commentary also that they graduated from still.

Because of my poor health I have had to retire from a physicaly active Ministry and next many people could not understand how I could be by myself alone, for such long periods of time, and for me it is very easy for I have Jesus to go directly to talk with, I do prefer his company above all others rightfully too. Learn to talk to Him directly about your concerns, not firstly the Pastors!!

(Luke 9:36 KJV) And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen. (John 8:9 KJV) And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst

Secondly the majority of these pastors they do not provide at all any real counselling help to their own flock in need even in their own churches, and especially not related to marital, employment problems also even in Evangelical, Pentecostal churches. This approach of their is not really pastoring.. this is stealing money from the sheep! Sadly most pastors seem to want to only to preach, to talk big and to be praised for it, to be recognized, and admired by the others, for they tend to have a false, big ego that they want filled, but they still wrongfully not want to do also the real work, the dirty work at the sheep’s level.. Yes these same pastoral hypocrites also do falsely tend to lie, slander others , gossip and also to delegate blame on one of the spouses even in a martial problem situation, even with invalid still reasons, basically for them not to personally get involved. The pastor would say something like the husband or the wife was at fault.. so the pastor is still talking only about the negative symptoms of a real marital problem, and what is he real or false solution rather.. pass the buck wrongfully still to the others? Unacceptable and I would rightfully not give any of my money at all to this type of Pastor or his Church!

Pastoral marriage counselling it is also still mandatory for all Pastors, all of them too, it is mandatory still that they do also help each and every sheep in their flock, and do home visits as well.. and these two also are not optional.. but sadly majority of Pastors they really still do not have love for the sheep.. and doing the dirtier jobs they wrongfully run away for it.. and God himself told me that this was all was immorally acts on the part of both of these pastors.. I never run away from any hard counselling.. for I got God to help me.. Do thus tell the pastor that up to 70 percent of the people have marriage problems, it is always the biggest pastoral need too.. and if he does not do this work than he is really not a real pastor.. just another hireling, or a wolf in sheep clothing.. You do clearly also have my permission to send these remarks to them as well! I have already personally fired about 25 pastors in my life time.. and I do not hesitate to publicly expose them, rebuke them rightfully remove them from office still.. any of the bad ones..

(Prov 27:5 KJV) Open rebuke is better than secret love. (Luke 17:3 KJV) Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. (Phil 2:15 KJV) That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; (1 Tim 5:20 KJV) Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. (2 Tim 4:2 KJV) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. (Titus 1:13 KJV) This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; (Titus 2:15 KJV) These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. (Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Better to be rebuked by me than God next directly, for God then will not be so forgiving.. (Psa 18:39 KJV) For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle: thou hast subdued under me those that rose up against me 40 Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me. 41 They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not. 42 Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets. (Psa 18:44 KJV) As soon as they hear of me, they shall obey me: the strangers shall submit themselves unto me. 45 The strangers shall fade away, and be afraid out of their close places. (Psa 18:46 KJV) The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted. 47 It is God that avengeth me, and subdueth the people under me. 48 He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man. (Psa 18:49 KJV) Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name. 50 Great deliverance giveth he to his king; and showeth mercy to his anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore.

The trouble with anyone lying is that soon one will likely end up believing in one’s own lies and one tends to live out the lies next, to act upon their false delusions.This applies to people who lie to the courts, to politicians who lie to the citizens as well.. to Pastors who lie to their congregations.. Now I have personally seen this happen many times .. For example a pastor was personally asked to repent of his own immorality. His own family asked him if the charges were true. The pastor replied you cannot believe anything the persons says he is crazy.. Soon the pastor’s family started to worry about this supposedly crazy person. To keep up the pretense the pastor even bought next a bullet proof car for protection for himself. This increased the stress upon his own family.. They lived out the pastor’s lie.. This was a punishment for the lies now as well. This same truth applies to ANYONE, Minister, lawyers, spouses who lie to us or the courts too. In the end the pastor still lost his church anyway, because he next was still exposed for his wrong doings, cause you cannot lie to everyone.. some people saw the truth.. and did something good about it too.. they let the Pastor go.

(James 4:17 KJV) Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

thenonconformer also said My same posts are posted on many sites too.. deleting them will do nothing.. but show to all how free speech is falsely denied by false excuses again

http://groups.msn.com/AFOLLOWEROFCHRIST But I mostly still do what the Lord tells me, not what others say I should do..

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/god-can-speak-to-us-today-in-many-ways-are-you-listening/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/hard-to-tell-the-difference/
https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/issues/
http://pbulow.tripod.com/
http://groups.msn.com/AFOLLOWEROFCHRIST

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Our concern should not be just as to how the world sees us but we must be more serioulsy cocnerend as to how God realy sees us.. (Heb 10:31 KJV) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/christians-are-supposedly-to-be-different/

When anyone talks about what the scriptures says they honestly should also point out that they mean it is how they now interpret what the scripture says.. cause too many of us read different things out of the same scriptures as we all do know firstly..

The people who also tell us to use only the Bible often still lie further to us.. they ask us also to use men’s commentaries, instead of the Holy spirit to next interpret the Bible.

(Eph 4:18 KJV) Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Aside from that fact many do not know, read , they do not understand the scriptures, the Bible in reality but merely mouth what they think or what others have said instead..

If you read all my popular posts, writings, sites I deal also with the subject of bad Christians, bad Pastors too, bad Pentecostal, bad evangelicals too, really bad churches too… I even deal with the Toronto Airport Fellowship church, and the Christian Missionary Alliance Church

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/

http://groups.msn.com/AFOLLOWEROFCHRIST

http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome

http://pbulow.tripod.com/

For the record ,the Reality! These days it is too hard to tell the difference between secular persons and even evangelical pastors, Christians even on the net, for they seem to do the same things too. They even seem to lie, bully, bash, twist the truth, oppress, slander, distort in their posting replies, and behave clearly unloving, unchristlike.. falsely justify their sinning now too. Most anti Florida revival sites, posters are abusive abusers even if they lie and say they now are Christains too.

There has been a great deal of garbage posted all over the internet about the supposed lying signs and wonders going on in the Florida Outpouring in Lakeland, Florida. Todd Bentley has been blasted by numerous bloggers for channeling demonic power and that is how these seemingly miraculous things are happening. According to these bloggers, satan has all kinds of power, especially in false miracles and healing. Does he? Does the Bible say that he does? Actually, the Bible does not. Healing is an activity that the Lord has reserved for Himself. If there are counterfeits, there must be also a genuine existing.. spirit led Christians can tell the difference by the Holy Spirit. as per yoo often distorted, false unsubstantiated assumptions, it is so obvious that many still are desperately grasping at straws intheir personal bashing of this revival, for what winning at all costs is so important to then that they forget decency, honesty, respect? Do always firstly practice, try the Holy Bible instead. There has been a great deal unacceptable garbage opposing this Florida revival on the net, and for me it shows more truth about the spiritual nature of the critics, posters too… unflattering to the critic , and unchristian critics..

One would even think the professing Christians sites are a place for a gathering of snakes, jokers, not real professing, decent, honest living Christians by the type of posts many write now on various topics even. If you profess to be a Christian time you acted like it still too.. I too would rightfully see a sermon from even them all than hypocritically only hear it preached again from these critics.. it is time they firstly had applied the Bible for all to see. Sow, show your love to others anywhere, even here.. mandatory. I still cannot help but notice that a certain segment of every society, bad self-righteous persons, in churches too, on th enet too, bad persons who to compensate for their poor self image, poor self worth, or even an over inflated ego, self worth they in a sinful pride too they do try to put others under their sinful bondage, even to still wrongfully deny their human rights and their equal rights of free speech, to equally express themselves, to be equally heard too. I have always wondered besides Satan himself as to the original source of this perverse, degenerated human domination attitude, unacceptable abuse, approach. This enslavement attempt occurs too often now too now even not just in the despotic churches, despotic governments, despotic police, in the civil and public services, but it is carried out even by so so called professionals in corporations, schools, universities too where these control freaks, bullies, slave drivers do want to dominate falsely their wills and desires upon others. But I know clearly that the solution to this approach is public exposure of the abusers in a very loud voice so everyone can hear about it too. For God himself still does not accept these abuses for sure.

(Rom 8:15 KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

I was trying to understand what was so objectionable, bad at the Florida revival that had some persons clearly foaming at the mouth and I looked at many of the critics rather poor posts and yet I could not understand what was so wrong, or basically agree with any of them.. their often emotionally charged bashes, criticisms, posts are varied, non standard, some are generally against any kind of healing, some are against any kind of manifestations of the Holy Spirit, some are against the people who attend the services, some are denominational differences, disputes etc

Now me thenonconformer had next said” THE WAY YOU TRY TO MAKE FUN AT OTHER CHRISTIANS IS SICKENING, POOR THEOLOGY AND IS SADLY TYPICAL OF FUNDAMENTAL BASHING OF PENTECOSTALS.

Evangelical Fundamentalism tends to replace the worship of God , the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ with the sole worship of the Bible, bypassing the works of the Holy Spirit it seems, though most Fundamentalists will deny that. Liberalism, too, replaces the worship of God, and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ with the worship of something else. In the case of Liberalism, however, the worship of God was replaced by the worship of mere human reason , and both groups are not that far apart, for they are are in error.

Fundamentalists tend to worship every word and letter in the Bible. Actually, they worship their own private interpretation of scripture (compare 2 Peter 1:20). This is the same error that the Pharisees fell into. They ended up worshiping Torah more than God, and, even more than Torah, they worshiped their own interpretations (and the interpretations of the elders) of Torah. (They still do so today, only now they have codified those traditions into the Talmud.) Likewise, so do Fundamentalists worship their own interpretation of Scripture. In both cases, “they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.” (Romans 1:25).

TOO MANY Evangelical fundamental parrots often need to quote someone else cause they do not know the Holy spIrit well enough to let him lead them, even the truth about healing. I SPEAK FOR MYSELF. http://pbulow.tripod.com http://pbulow.tripod.com/healing.html

Latter rain is a term referring to the subsequent outpouring of the Holy Spirit on many of today’s Pentecostals. The Acts New testament events of Pentecost are known as the former rain. The idea of latter rain comes from this Old Testament text, which precedes Joel’s prophecy that God will pour out his Spirit on all people:

Be glad, O people of Zion,
rejoice in the LORD your God,
for he has given you
the autumn rains in righteousness.
He sends you abundant showers,
both autumn and spring rains, as before.
Joel 2:23

The early Pentecostals connect their own experience of the Spirit with that of the disciples, and Peter’s quoting of Joel’s prophecy in Acts 2: 16-21 is a further prophecy that God would pour out his Spirit again at a later time.

They tend to state that the pouring out of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost as the early autumn rain, and the second pouring out of the Spirit, that they were experiencing, as the later spring rains; the Latter Rain.

The idea of latter rain is found throughout many denominations of Pentecostalism, but specifically the Latter Rain Movement, founded in 1948, teaches that the second coming of Jesus is due to happen soon and that latter rain is evidence for this

I tend to look at both sides of the issues myself.. for that matter I have now been both non Christian, and Christian, both Baptist and Pentecostal, and both groups still do have major errors, weakness, inadequacies, and they now also have some good points too.. but still there is no such thing as a perfect denomination now as well

But one other thing often is clearly is evident to me visiting, reading the many so called Professing Christians sites mostly all telling us the supposed truth, postings often more with dishonest hidden agendas, poorly researched too, and very biased now too.. It also seems to me they are also still are trying to convince themselves as to what is the truth is and no one else, they build up their own false straw arguments, and then do reply to their own arguments. It is generally too often now not an honest presentation, discussion of the topic they have presented.

thus when I see there the often shallow arguments of anyone still limiting today as to what God can do, even through us, it makes me rightfully also think how shallow their Christian faith now really is.. they are still babies in the Lord and need someone to teach them the whole truth, the whole , full gospel too, for my God can do anything, Jesus is the same , yesterday, today and forever.

According to your faith it shall be for you as well, and you might like the foolish virgins be left behind.. ’

” Tell me what is even scriptural right about the one sided, bullying, bashing, lying, argumentative, ungodly, unchristlike posts clearly not done in love too.. hope you still do not profess to be a Christian, cause you give a really bad image to the real Christians.

>>What am I missing out on by not falling into line with the latter rain heresy? Salvation? “The next wave?” Becoming a “manifest Son of God” (i.e. Jesus)? Why should I conform as you have (contrary to your name) to this heretical doctrine? you lie and distort often what I have said still too.. I never asked you to fall in line, I had asked you to act like real Christians, and show real love, not mostly hatred rather.. ”

“I never knew you, is not a criticism by Jesus that the healings, miracles done by the person(s) were false.. but a true statement that they really never knew Jesus fully or personally, it seems to apply to you now firstly too. You are so sensitive to others being supposedly false, cause you clearly are false, now take the beam out of your own eye first.. Someone is wrong here and I don’t think it is that difficult (except perhaps for you) to determine who that is and that is you.. for you do twist Bible verses, slander, falsely quickly bash others to suit your own views.. Clearly Judas was an Apostle, better look at the definition of an Apostle, an Apostle is not an unchristian person.. and he was next replaced in the book of acts by another Apostle. The fact that Jesus knew that Judas would betray him does not mean he was not anointed.. but first better look at the meaning of the word anointed now.. one who evidences the Holy spirit.. with signs and wonders Acts 10:38 If you do not let the Holy spirit lead you as to what a verse actually means you are part of the Blind leading the blind now, forget trying to say the scripture cannot be wrong, rather you are wrong.. “You throw the term free will around as if it does not need to be defined. ” and yet you clearly in desperation rebuttal quoted back a verse that has nothing to do with one’s free will.

>>“You have contradicted now three times the Word of Jesus,” and what a further false and wrong, judgmental act on your part too, you so easily condemn a person whom you do not know, never met, another real Christian, a real christian now over 50 years too, and I have been pastoring now for over 3 decades as a Pentecostal pastor too. get a real life. Really do get Jesus.”

Is 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no one else; there is no God besides Me. I will gird {and} arm you, though you have not known Me,

(Jer 32:27 KJV) Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

“I have read in the last month every wordpress site, and many others sites openly bashing, abusing, slandering the Florida revival, Todd, the latter day Pentecostals and yet to date I personally have not read, seen one valid criticism, decent presentation at all.. what a great shocker.. It all seems more like little immature, jealous kids still fighting over which one of them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and who will be last.. what a real absurdity. many persons bashing other Pentecostals with clearly a hidden agenda is still the wrong thing to do now too.. they are not doing it in love or humility Cleary as required by the Bible now too. ”

“are you ranting”… my how you like to bash, insult people.. you do not know to even try to judge them, quite immature and unspiritual too.. looking for a big fight cause someone had stepped on your sore toes.. I certainly hope you do not profess wrongfully to be a Christian to anyone, cause you do not act like it for sure… nor do I hope you abuse all the people like that who make a post here.. a sure way to next lose many people still too. Stay in God’s love and not rather in the flesh.. we may not agree, do have a right to differ, but we still do need to show love to the others.

as to what the Bible says is only how you here do interpret it.. not the Holy Spirit. I have been a Christian for 50 years and a Pentecostal pastor for the last 30 years, and I have attended the latter day churches too and often.. and specifically what about you? not the supposed others..

>> “The Latter Rain movement was rejected by the AoG Pentecostals in 1948 as heretical”… and they are speaking for God now.. dream on.. There are other Pentecostal denominations who support them, approve of them, me included. The full Gospel Business Men’s fellowship uses a similar approach for decades now too.

Need more input from me on the subjects.. I have it detailed even on 5 internet sites..
including
https://postedat.wordpress.com
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/

“Spurgeon was once asked when he would quit smoking cigars. He replied, “When it becomes a problem.” He was then asked, “When will it become a problem?” To which he replied, “When I smoke two at a time.” wow, look at all the false justifications for Spurgeon’s sin.. I often consider their spiritual maturity. I doubt that smoking cigars, as Charles Spurgeon did, had the negative stigma that it does today. Is there any room for putting “drinking Coca-Cola” on your list? :)” …. PS: Hey I must admit, I don’t know a lot about Spurgeon, although I understand he Is a type of hero for most evangelicals …I do think he was a godly man, aside form this apparent bad habit. Thenonconformer says and I still think there is no such thing as a little bit pregnant.. especially for a preacher.

Some people would say I too have never seen alcohol do one good thing for anyone rather mostly a lot of evil.. . and do look at things associated with alcohol…bars, strip clubs, drunks, DUI’s, addiction and the like. Tell me who your friends are and I can always tell what you are like too. These are not activities a true Christian should participate in. Therefore, it is better to SHUN even an appearance of evil. And yes Christians are commanded that our bodies are not to be mastered by anything…our bodies are the temple of God. We are always to be in self control. not rather selfish oriented. Also, the wine Jesus and the apostle used, wine was likely not fermented in biblical times as it is today, it was rather grape juice, and was unlikely to cause drunkenness as easily. Falsely for too many professing Christians Smoking, Homosexuality is okay, drinking alcohol is okay, using profanity is okay, tax evasion is OK, Cheating, lying, stealing is OK.. Get a real life. Get Jesus It does sounds like many always rejected the truth of the Bible, Jesus and have finally found a denomination that supports their sin. The Gospel according to them. Lucky them? Not at all. They also tend to show the mental sloppiness, dishonesty common to the liberals, bashers of Pentecostals and fundamentalists, not those real Christians for sure.

(Neh 8:10 KJV) “Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this day is holy unto our Lord: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the LORD is your strength.” Not the wine, smoking, drugs, alcohol..

“All the great outpourings of the past have had their outstanding truths.

Luther’s truth was Justification by Faith. Wesley’s was Sanctification. The Baptists taught the premillenial [sic] coming of Christ. The Missionary Alliance taught Divine Healing. The Pentecostal outpouring has restored the Baptism of the Holy Ghost to its rightful place. The next great outpouring is going to be marked by all these other truths plus such a demonstration of the nine gifts of the Spirit as the world, not even the Apostolic world, has ever witnessed before. This revival will be short and will be the last before the Rapture of the Church.”

And yet in many of these same groups the followers, and leaders still next became corrupt.. the same groups are too often fake today rather. The Christian Missionary Alliance now included.

EVEN IF A GROUP HOLDS TO SOME VALID TRUTHS SUCH AS
– Jesus Christ is the sole Savior, Lord of your life.
– The concept of the restoration of the Tabernacle of David. Praise & Worship emphasized as a means to usher (1) in God’s presence and (2) to usher God’s people into His presence. Singing in the spirit congregationally, I.e. in other tongues. The “song of the Lord” a prophetic song or one in other tongues but interpreted
– The belief that God has now restored all the ministry gifts back to the Church, especially the office of the prophet and apostle {this is where today’s prophetic/apostolic move comes from}.
– The practice of laying on of hands to be filled with the Holy Spirit (and the evidence of speaking in other tongues).
– The practice of laying on of hands to impart spiritual gifts
– The belief Christians can be demonized and need to be delivered through the laying on of hands.
– Divine healing is obtained by faith and also is imparted via the laying on of hands
– Emphasis on spiritual warfare
– Emphasis on personal and directive prophecy
– Anointed Women have a full and equal ministry role in the Church, I.e. women pastors, prophetesses, elders, etc.
– The Rapture, the second coming of Christ is inevitable, soon
– Emphasis on Missions, evangelism, the Bible, a Pastor..

The same group can still be false, led by false men and not by the Holy Spirit.(John 10:1 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

(Mat 10:17 KJV) But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

(Mat 7:15 KJV) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

(Rom 10:3 KJV) For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

and the too often whole emotion-driven judgmental critical opposition sadly being seen to any revival, any Pentecostal movement in any churches and that is falsely sweeping through the net is firstly more indicative of the personal agendas of the emotional posters, and them now clearly being led by Satan as well.. These Christians who themselves do denounce Pentecostals for being “emotional” tend as we all can see easily to be very , very emotional themselves about all this too.. How contradictory, and hypocritical the Emotions are wrong for Pentecostals but not for their opponents. I have often rightfully said it again and again the posts of the critics tend to be more indicative of how bad the critics themselves now are, their false pride, lack of humility, their ignorance of God, His workings, and the Bible too, their own lack of love and even much more. Have you also not noticed how rarely both Catholics, and evangelicals, do refer specifically to the Bible, rather they like to speak their own views, opinions of other men.. interesting!

(2 Tim 2:25 KJV) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

AND WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY TO INSULT, ABUSE, LIE ABOUT THE OTHER CHRISTIANS?

http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/

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