Canadian Political Christians.. 2

   
Part 2: It should be clear, apparent to any one reading this post that it seems even very difficult to even try to believe that the New Conservative party of Canada , it’s leaders, it’s supporters, evangelical supporters now too,  are  even really Christians.. persons who do really  care about the good welfare of others.. for the ministry of Jesus and the Apostle undeniably and clearly involved helping the poor and needy people.. not rather the established rich get richer.. Now  I do not have to agree with all that was written here, but under the right of free speech they too are allowed to be heard now too.
  
Still to me a bad Conservative is the same as a bad Liberal… i support neither of them..


“The Canadian National Newspaper:  http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/07/14/02459.html
Encore:  Conservatives Put Canada’s Most Vulnerable on Chopping Block Compiled by John Stokes
 
 Prime Minister Stephen Harper Of Canada…

The Liberal Opposition chastises the Conservative government for cutting $1 billion in funding that targets the most vulnerable Canadians, despite at the same time reporting a near-record surplus of $13.2 billion for 2005-06. “The vindictive, mean-spirited cuts targeted at the weak, the needy, the vulnerable and the marginalized in Canada, could only have been dreamt up by the insider group of Conservative Mike Harris hold-over ministers in this government,” said Liberal Leader Bill Graham. “Conservatives have continued their “them versus us” mentality. People without money or clout get clobbered by them. In a country as blessed as ours, how does the Prime Minister justify cuts to funding for immigrant youth, aboriginal women, adults with literacy problems, housing for the disabled and vulnerable workers? “When the Liberal Party inherited the Government of Canada, we had a $42 billion deficit, and we managed it for the people of this country” Mr. Graham continued. “The Conservatives got a $13 billion surplus that they’re squandering and they won’t give a cent to poor people. Mr. Graham further critically observes that “Why on earth is the Prime Minister eliminating research on the health of visible minorities, on child abuse, trafficking of women, support to voluntary group for soup kitchens and for training Canadians with disabilities? Aren’t they Canadians, too? Don’t they deserve value for their money?” Liberals argue that the proposed funding cuts directly target women, Aboriginal Canadians, those in need of affordable housing and to other groups for which the Conservatives have traditionally shown little concern.

Chair of the Liberal Women’s Caucus Belinda Stronach berated the Harper government for cutting $5 million from the Status of Women Canada.”Why is this government anti-women? Or is it they simply don’t care about the well being of 51 percent of the population?” she asked.
The only minority group the Conservatives are interested in supporting is the minority of Canadians who supported them in the last election. Through this latest round of spending cuts, the Harper government has sent a message to Canadians: if you don’t fit the profile of a potential Conservative voter, you are out of luck.
Mr. Harper as a “Christian Pretender”  In Canada, Mr. Harper has continued this dubious tradition by campaigning on a platform supposedly inspired by Christianity. In fact. Mr. Harper has proven once again through the belligerent actions of his government against Canada’s social fabric, that he is as a “Christian Pretender”.  Mr. Harper shows that as a self-professed ‘Christian’ disciple of Jesus, he, like his “boss” Mr. Bush in the United States, is also a complete fraud.
Tommy Douglas, voted the “Greatest Canadian”, who was a Baptist Minister, and devout Christian showed in the political areas, the spirit of a disciple Jesus. In contrast with Mr. Harper, Tommy Douglas defended the plight of poor; fought for women’s rights; for the creation and affirmation of a universal healthcare system in the context of the affirmation of human rights. Mr. Douglas did this while balancing the budget, and earning even the respect and praise of U.S. financial institutions who had previously feared the spectre of “socialism” in Saskatchewan.
It is further apparent that Mr. Harper does not follow the teaching expressed in the Bible, on the vital ethic of social responsibility to each other and to our planet Earth. Instead, it is apparent that in Mr. Harper’s seeks cuts in taxes for multi-millionaires in particular, who own the largest and most exploitative Corporations in Canada, while at the same time cutting more than a billion dollars from government support to disenfranchised. In so doing, Mr. Harper arguably serves the apparent “emissaries of the anti-Christ” who worship what the Bible referred to as Mammon.
It is unfortunate that many Canadians have mistaken Mr. Harper’s agenda as being that of a devout Christian. His self-professed Christianity is nothing more than a “cover story”. This apparent “cover story” is somewhat reminiscent of a criminal who tries to mislead others from within an ultimate hidden agenda.
It is apparent that Mr. Harper’s agenda, is to destroy Canada’s social fabric that had been championed by Tommy Douglas and by other Canadians. Mr. Harper with his U.S. Republican mentors, seeks to destroy and replace a Canadian cultural identity associated with peace and social justice. “
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The Justifiable Consumer uproar in Canada

 

 I have sent many letters to the useless Minister of Industry, Consumer affairs,  Jim Prentice MP   CorrespondenceMinister@ic.gc.ca  and when I next phoned them in Ottawa and I HAD RECENTLY asked about a decent reply to my many letters, they said they do not know where they are,  and for me to mail them again TO THEM.. RATHER ask them to read them on the net too then for they are there as well!! Let them RE read this too..

 

Stephen Harper is a hit when viewed from afar Calgary Herald,  Canada –  From a close-up perspective, the Conservative government has put in a fairly credible, largely scandal-free performance since the election in 2006 ????????????????????? Not true!
 
The MP Stephen Harper, he is nice from far but far from nice, as we all know also that he lies, lied, had broken most of his re-election promises, which the Conservative Ostriches in Alberta would now have us falsely try to deny, and even have us wrongfully  to become liars like them now too…  even denying Harper’s and the Conservative promises of full openness, transparency ,  accountability and not to hire any conservative friends, etc,… to be different than the other parties now too.. not be merely another  bullies, bashers, liars, slanderers, living high on the hog, alcoholics, etc,..
 
the typical bad lawyer, Minister of industry, consumer affairs, Jim Prentice MP, also hires his Conservative friend, shame on you.. Tories appoint Reform founder Manning to science advisory panel  AND as for Preston Manning ALL HE SEEMS TO LOVE TO TALK ABOUT MONEY THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.. NOW HE MANNING WILL GET MORE MONEY TO DO THAT TOO. ABSURD! If he is now a real Christian then I am a monkey’s uncle too. HOW IS THAT FOR A SCIENTIFIC INPUT?
 
So the Industry minister even calls on Bell, Telus to explain new text charges- 
 
 

 

This is not even a new issue but an old one. I firstly could not help but notice that a very significant AMOUNT OF YOUNG PEOPLE USE THE iPHONES AND COMPUTERS STILL, and that as a direct result we now have whole generation of users who clearly do strongly hate the federal government as well as the big corporations for allowing them to be abused again and again. A really Smart move??  for the Conservatives and big Corporations   getting young customers too mad at them now even for life. Certainly not a good, or a great marketing practice for  the Conservatives, the Corporations, even for Industry Minister Jim Prentice MP. The whole fiasco, poor past responses, inactions   now still being poorly thought out ironically  applies now even to to the Conservatives and the Industry Minister himself  now as well.. It all clearly falls in the same category as the Conservative Stockwell Day MP  and his past skidoo antics.

“Finally Industry Minister Jim Prentice is calling on the chief executive officers of Bell and Telus to meet with him and explain their decision to charge consumers for incoming text messages. Jim Prentice has sent letters to the heads of the two companies, has said the decision to charge consumers without text bundling packages will hurt consumers. The companies must meet with him before Aug. 8. “While I have no desire to interfere with the day-to-day business decisions of two private companies, I do have a duty as minister of industry to protect the interests of the consuming public when necessary,” Prentice said in a statement. “I believe this was a poorly thought out decision.” Under the Corporations  new plans, customers will be charged 15 cents for each incoming text message, including uninvited spam messages. Previously, customers without text plans were only charged for outgoing messages. Customers with a text messaging rate plan or bundle will not be affected by the new charges.”

Hey  let me shout it all to you again and again, as a taxpayer I too always do openly rightfully expect always a  good government, and I rightfully expect the government to do it’s job, including all of it’s ministers, and I rightfully also expect them always to fully to protect the citizens from the Corporations false misleading advertising, price gouging, price fixing, price collusions, bait and switch approach sales marketing approach, and a lot more. The problem also with the industry minister acting now on the iphone text issue while better late than never, is that the same major ISPs have used the same immoral approach on their Internet services as well and to date nothing was , is being done still about that  wrongfully. and this is also still unacceptable.
 
It is also still  interesting how much of the negative complaints rightfully are even coming from Alberta even from the Industries Minister’s own riding, Province too, right from the heart of Conservative supporter country.
 
Here again is how many Canadian consumers, citizens do see it as far as the iphones mainly. “Only the person who sends the message should be charged plain and simple. Why should I pay because some spammer sent me a text message that I did not want to receive. If I don’t want to answer my phone, I can simply ignore a call, but a text message from a number I don’t recognize is delivered to my phone whether I want it to be or not.”
 
“Don’t think for one minute that hasn’t been their plan all along – announce it at a high rate, with the intent of “backing off” to a lower rate…and then slowly increase that rate over the next few years once there’s a general acceptance of the practice “
 
“I am loathe to trust a company that changes the terms of my agreement mid-contract. I would like to learn how it is that they are allowed to do this, but if I would like to change the particulars of my contract mid agreement, it is not allowed.  I would like to think that if the terms are changed, shouldn’t the principal agreement holder be notified of the changes, otherwise it be nullified?”
 
“Pay twice for one service…..  I’ll charge a fee to them for writing a cheque to pay my bill”
 
“Clearly it is in the best interest of consumers for their elected representatives to voice their concerns on top of those of the consumers when Canadians are being gouged at almost every turn. Bell and Telus clearly to not have the best interests of their customers in mind, rather as always, they are motivated by greed and profit. “
 
“Kudo’s to the NDP on this one!!”
 
This is so typical Bell, Bait and Switch,  first bait the customers and nail the customers on the  extras next too. 
    
Google slams Bell Canada: open Internet is “extraordinary”
Ars Technica – By Nate Anderson | Published: July 08, 2008 – 12:30PM CT The public comments on Bell Canada’s P2P throttling practices are in, and one thing is clear: a gulf the size of Nunavut separates the huge ISPs from web-based companies and consumer groups. Google goes further; not only should Bell stop picking and choosing which lawful apps to throttle, but the company needs to start upgrading its infrastructure in a serious way. Throttling merely “encourages carriers to build their business model around managing scarcity, rather than developing more abundant capacity.
Google slams Bell Canada for throttling Internet Canada.com TORONTO – Internet heavyweight Google Inc. has waded into a fight with Bell Canada, saying the telecommunications company should be “prohibited” from the practice of curtailing of peer-to-peer Internet use to manage limited capacity on its network.
Google joins in Bell Canada traffic throttling war p2pnet.net
CBC.ca – ITBusiness.ca – FierceTelecom – mediacaster
all 16 news articles »

Cellphone users to be charged for incoming text messages
CBC.ca –  Cellphone users with Bell and Telus are going to have to fork over a little more to receive incoming text messages, under new pricing plans slated to roll out in August.
Get ready to pay for incoming text messages Canada.com
Uproar over new Canadian texting fees United Press International
Mobile Magazine – Soonews.ca – QuicklyBored – The Province
all 40 news articles »  En Français »

There is a  public outrage on the part of Canadian consumers following the release of the local pricing plans. Apple the iPhone maker has watched nearly 50,000 of its loyal customers sign an anti-Rogers petition at ruinediphone.com, which has in turn sparked hundreds of potentially damaging reports on the matter by bloggers and members of the mainstream media. 

Canada’s cellphone market is currently dominated by three key players – Bell (TSX:BCE), Telus and Rogers Communications Inc.(TSX:RCI.B).

The petition has attracted attention in Canada and abroad, but it won’t have any effect on Rogers unless consumers follow through with the old-fashioned but simple and reliable strategy for pulling down prices.

If you don’t like the price of an iPhone, don’t buy it. If Rogers finds it has priced itself out of the market, it won’t take a petition to ring in lower prices.

All that is just the beginning of the Customer reactions, war I had written about months ago too.

Prentice calls Bell, Telus to task for decision to charge clients without bundle The Canadian Press – Wed Jul 9, 4:05 PM

OTTAWA – Industry Minister Jim Prentice is taking Bell Mobility and Telus Mobility to task for their plans to charge some of their customers for each incoming text message and called both company CEOs to Ottawa to explain their “ill-thought out” decision.

and what about big bad Bell sympatico

  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/bell-bce-sympatico-iphone/

Internet oversight
Globe and Mail – 3 hours ago
Toronto — Re Google Raises Fuss Over Bell’s Speed Bumps (Report on Business, July 9): Bell Canada and other telecommunications companies have been slowing, shaping and restricting Internet traffic for some time.
Google slams “throttling” of internet traffic in Canada Digital Home
Google condemns Bell’s ‘throttling’ practice Toronto Star
Canada.com – Ars Technica – CBC.ca – BetaNews
all 51 news articles »

 

Canada’s phone companies and the federal government itself  have still even failed to understand how the consumers, markets are changing.. so both Bell and Telus get hit by a backlash over new texting prices.  It is not just  about price, it was about the restriction and limitation of the user experiences too. Canadian telecom giants are feeling the heat like never before by  an increasingly savvy and demanding customer against finely tuned telecom incumbents . There is   irony to the fact that as the phone companies roll out new services that allow people to communicate instantly in new ways, their customers are using the technology to express their criticism of how those services are offered and priced.  the government’s plan to keep the wireless industry also unregulated is real crap.  Neither of these rather mostly abusive parties  are about to listen to the Canadian Customers still, it will take more drastic responses..
 
 

Typical Liberal Attacks on Conservatives!! or another Cover up!

 

Buy Ontario wines: Premier Toronto Star –   Liberal Premier Dalton McGuinty says he’s open to ways to promote Ontario wineries better, even as he remains reluctant to consider beer and wine sales in corner stores.
Ethanol outlook bumpy Toronto Sun
McGuinty rethinking ethanol program Globe and Mail
Ottawa Citizen – The Canadian Press – London Free Press – CTV.ca
all 73 news articles »
   
and of course he will also encourage alcoholism, gays, lesbians, gambling  and abortion, and also now what next pot, pornography, adultery, divorce?
  
 and he cannot understand why the economy of Ontario is going down under his leadership.. wow?
 
a bad Liberal is as bad as a bad Conservative.. this premier now sounds more like the Alberta clown Ralph Klein everyday too!

The single biggest number of opposition, complaints for the thousands of my different posts that I have next gotten back from both Conservatives and Liberals, is when I rightfully write that smoking is a sin, so is adultery and divorce, doing drugs is sinful, porn is sinful, and using any taxpayers money to buy alcohol now is unacceptable as well. The Objections come even from even from the so called Conservative Christians.. what a surprise! And their quoting Bible verses out of context too often too… such as 1 Timothy 5:23 as a supposed justification now for drunkenness, alcoholics in the church, elswhere is an absurd perversion and it is still too showing us all what false sprits they are being led by, not ny the holy Spirit for sure… and any who says there is a problem solely with the pentacostals is a liar, distorter, basher now  too.. for most conservative fundamentals have just as much or often more theological errors, divisions, disputes, falsehoods it seems still too.. Too many Conservative evangelicals seem to falsely substitute preaching to others, or bashing the others for them firstly and wrongfully not living the Gospel of Jesus Christ still too

Hey I have not only been bashed, bullied by elected politicians, bad Conservatives now too, and 6 times the really bad politicians in Canada had now called the police against me for my writing to them and to the others, done basically to try to falsely intimidate me, to obstruct justice, and to try to stop me writing anymore truths to news editors, others.. but decades later I am still writing to all too the truth.. One Liberal also now had sent the police against me too and falsely.. clearly the bad guys hate it when you tell the truth about them to others.. and too bad for them.. and many bad pastors had asked me not to write to them anymore too now, for what they think they are the only one who can ask others to repent/ I often do ask them to repent instead rightfully still too.

I find it so funny how the left has NO problem bashing, mocking and making fun of folks who are Conservatives. But what is just as funny  how the Conservatives themselves practise censorship of what they do not want to hear so to me any bashings of Liberals, Conservatives  this is just another example of the kettle calling the pot black… for they basically do the same bad things these days it seems too.

http://thetruthtracker.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/typical-liberal-attacks-on-conservatives/#comment-16 

thenonconformer said, on July 8th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

but there is no difference between a bad Conservative and a bad Liberal in fact, anyway

I spent half of my life supporting the mostly lying, hypocritical, carnal, selfish, uncaring, bullying, control freaks, ungodly conservatives and when I firsthand saw again what they were really a decade ago I admit I do like rather an honest liberal

http://groups.msn.com/CanadaToday6
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/

>> Hello nonconformer thanks for visiting the site. I just ask that if you are going to take the time to show and express your disagreement with my opinions (which is fine with me), that you make an effort to use grammer and phrases easier to understand.

and to me this sounds the beginning next of an excuse for the too often Conservative censorships I experience in Conservatives churches, on the net too by those that I write about and expose often.. grammar, speller checkers, thought police next ehh?

I have been bloging for 20 years and the most abusive oppositions were mostly the Conservatives too.

>> First of all, the problems with Pentecostal and Charismatic Christianity…
 
says the devil..
 
such a loaded, biased, distorted false statement still firstly indicates more bad things solely ABOUT  the poster  AND not any of the Pentecostals.. and anyone who thinks this still is a Bonaire, valid post  are grossly mistaken too
 
and quoting Bible verses  out of context too often too… such as 1Timothy 5:23 as a  supposed justification now for drunkenness, alcoholics in the church is an absurd perversion andit   is still too showing us all what false sprits they are being led by, not the holy Spirit for sure… who says there is a problem  solely with the pentacostals.. most fundamentals have just as much or often more theological errors, divisions, disputes, falsehoods it seems till too.. evangelicals seem to falsely substitute preaching to others, bashing the others for not living the Gospel of Jesus Christ still too
 
(1 Cor 1:10 KJV)  Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
 
(1 Cor 3:3 KJV)  For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
 
(1 Cor 11:18 KJV)  For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19   For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 20  When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper. 21  For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.  22  What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
 
isn’t is still amazing how  many of these so called professing Christians now cannot even give up smoking, alcohol, beer and what else?  for the lord Jesus Christ.. then they have not died to Christ yet but are wrongfully living to the flesh still too
 
but  there has always been an ungodly holy war between the unspiritual carnal persons and the holy spirit filled Christian persons so this is nothing new.. the carnal flesh opposes the spirit, the work of God often.
 

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/another-bully/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/alberta-the-devils-belt/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/how-many-rich-people-in-calgary-edmonton-alberta/

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/alcoholism-the-unacceptable-sin/

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/christian-and-missionary-alliance-denomination/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/the-bad-critics-again/

 What is the diference between a young conservative and an an old Conservative? Hopefully a wiser and more compassionate  liberal.

ps:The Conservitve Prime Minister of Canada lies often, for he does not keep his pre elrction promises.,, including

“Midland Free Press – Ontario, CA Blast from the past In opposition, Stephen Harper criticized the Liberal government for inaction when gas prices approached $1 a litre Stanton says government can’t do much more    After criticizing the previous Liberal government for not taking more action to control skyrocketing fuel prices when it was in power, frustrated Canadians are wondering what the Conservatives are doing to help now that the shoe is on the other foot.  “The government can’t do much more than it’s doing right now,” Conservative Simcoe North MP Bruce Stanton said.  During a 2005 election speech in Orillia, Conservative Leader Stephen Harper attacked the Liberals for allowing gas prices to spin out of control.  “When Harper was in opposition, he indicated that above a certain level the GST shouldn’t rise anymore. Higher gas prices shouldn’t invoke higher gain for the government. By lowering GST, what he’s done is lowered the price of everything across the board, instead of just fuel,” Stanton said.  Tax on gas consists of ten cents per litre in excise tax and 14.5 cents per litre goes to the province.  In the fall of 2007, GST dropped from seven per cent down to five per cent.  “We took some steps last fall to put money back into the pockets of Canadians. There is some worry that the price of gas will cause inflation, but our economy is strong,” Stanton said. According to Stanton, Canadian income levels are higher than they were three years ago.  The Liberal Party of Canada announced their plan of action for the environment and the economy last month.  The Green Shift plan is intended to cut income taxes and put a price on pollution.  “The Liberal Green Shift will cut taxes on those things we all want more of, such as income, investment and innovation, and shift those taxes to what we all want less of: pollution, greenhouse gas emissions and waste,” Liberal Leader Stephan Dion said.  Upon forming a government, Liberals would put a price on fossil fuels, like coal and natural gas, starting at $10 per tonne of carbon dioxide and rising to $40 per tonne over four years. http://www.midlandfreepress.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1106195

and that was more conservative crap response for  in reality the cost of living has seriously increased the last few months in Canada, the price of many food items now has increased dramtically over 25 percent and some even much more..

 The Conservatives lying had said  elect us and we will be different from the other parties.. dream on…  next the reality was, is otherwise..  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/dream-on/

Liberal Pierre Elliot Trudeau was Canada’s most popular recent Prime Minister even because he had done this one right thing.. to keep the automotive and heating  gas, oil prices fair, low. .. and in spite of the false opposition.. he nationalized the energy industry, oil and gas sector, and it is time for this for sure again now..
 
Liberal Dion chides PM for ‘vulgar’ language    Canwest News Service Published: Monday, July 07, 2008  EDMONTON – Liberal Leader Stephane Dion chided Prime Minister Stephen Harper Monday for using “vulgar” language in his dismissal of the Liberal climate change plan. Dion told the Edmonton Journal editorial board that he was disappointed in Harper’s choice of words when he suggested the Liberal plan would “screw” the country.

and the same Conservative  PM and Liberals still do allow Bell Sympatico to screw their customers still.. so all of you get real..  your real actions speak louder than your mere words