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Unlike each of you, my own mind did not know, comprehend beforehand   what God has in store, had prepared for us, his requirements for us even to become a Christian, as well as to become Baptized in the Holy Sprit and much more..
 
True Christians Are Holy Ghost Baptized
 
 
”  A few weeks back a young lady wrote me that she was confused about many things in Christianity and one of them being “speaking in tongues.” Due to the myriad of things that she was confused about, she wrote to a minister and one of the concerns she voiced to him was… 

the Holy Spirit can’t dwell in you unless you speak in tongues…I just feel like crying cause it seems like I’m trying to follow God in vain.  Who knows the truth any more?

The minister wrote back quoting Acts 1:7-8 (NIV) … 

THE FIRST THING THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS GOING TO DO WAS GIVE POWER TO WITNESS, NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES.  IT IS OK TO SPEAK IN TONGUES THOUGH, BUT IT ISN’T NECESSARY

The following message is what the Lord has given me concerning Holy Ghost baptism and it being evidenced by speaking in tongues, which is foundational before the power is exhibited.  Before reading this message, please pray that the Lord will give you spiritual discernment to recognize His truths in this message.

Our baptism is the one-true baptism  “of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19). The one-true baptism is two-phased baptism as evidenced throughout Acts: (1) repentance/water, and (2) Holy Ghost fire and power, with both being based on our belief in Christ.  The two phases of the one baptism “may” take place all at once, evidenced by speaking in tongues; or, they may take place at separate times, but with the second baptism always evidenced by speaking in tongues. The Holy Ghost baptism depends upon the heart of the person, which God looks upon before conferring. Both phases of the one baptism are written in the Acts of the Apostles.

When we heard the Word of God, received it, and believed, we repented and were baptized in the name of Jesus. (Baptized in the name of Jesus means we were baptized according to what Jesus preached, but the actual water baptism was “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” as Matthew 28:19 instructs.) When we received water baptism, we were “sealed” with the Holy Ghost like God set His seal to Jesus when He was here on earth in the flesh  (John 6:27).  This seal is God’s stamp of ownership on our lives security, or a deposit, or a pledge.  

Sealed in Greek is sphragizo

To stamp for security or preservation
 

Earnest in Greek is arrhabon

Part of the purchase given in advance as security  for a pledge (meaning there is more to come) 

In sum, being Born Again means being sealed with God’s private mark securing us from Satan outright snatching us from His hand before the rest of our purchase price is paid in full.  The paid-in-full purchase price (to be chosen for eternal ruling and reigning with Jesus) is of course based on our walk with The Lord in true faith and obedience. (Once saved, always saved does not apply because it is unscriptural.)

Moving Toward Phase II Baptism – Fire/Power

the Spirit of truth . . . dwelleth with you, [Phase I water baptism/ repentance OUTER] and shall be in you [Phase II Holy Ghost baptism/spirit, fire, power INNER] (John 13:17). 

The seal of God on us is His Spirit dwelling with us as Christ dwelt with the Apostles, which is sealing, and having been sealed with the Holy Ghost is not enough.  We have got to want and be willing to be totally surrendered to God to be baptized in His precious Holy Ghost.  This is how a Believer goes from glory to glory, and by no other means can this take place in our lives except through Holy Ghost baptism which is apart from water baptism. Without this, there is much difficulty in keeping sin out of our lives.  Church, God has made the way for us all to “enter in and sup” with Him, and it is by going beyond the sealing when you first got Born Again. Again because the sealing is not the same as Baptism in the Holy Ghost. The latter is about power · power to enter into the spirit and worship God in spirit and in truth  · power to witness about Jesus Christ · power to resist the enemy so that sin doesn’t reign in our mortal beings · power to do spiritual warfare to come through this life victoriously · power to do greater works than Jesus did (for the sake of The Church of Jesus Christ).

Keep in mind, there are two distinct phases of the one baptism in Christ.  Jesus says in John 3:5 that  “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”   I repeat, water baptism is repentance, and spirit baptism is Holy Ghost fire and power. When we are truly Born Again (John 3:3), which is the Phase One baptism, there is a change in us that radiates on the outside of us, enabling all to see that something different has occurred in our lives. When we are truly Born Again, there is a new attitude towards The Lord Jesus Christ, toward His Word which becomes Spirit and life in us (John 6:63), making us, IF we will surrender, Believers who walk in of His Word. As one truly Born Again, we have a new attitude toward other Believers, toward prayer, toward life in general, toward death, and toward sin (hating it with a passion). When we are truly Born Again, dead to the old order in our lives we start anew by not doing the things we used to do (nightclubs, alcohol, smoking, homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, winking our eye at sin around us, cheating, stealing, lying, and so on).

The Holy Spirit of promise is the Spirit of truth that first removed the scales of darkness from our eyes and unstopped our ears so that we could then see and hear The Lord and come to accept the Gospel of salvation Jesus the Messiah.  We heard about Jesus, believed what we heard, and gave our lives to Him, but this was just the beginning work of the Holy Spirit of promise that Jesus spoke of before His death but not all.  Now that we have been transformed from darkness (sin/the world) to light (Christ, righteousness/faith, holiness), the work of the Holy Spirit continues.  The Holy Spirit of promise guides us into the truths of the Word of God that we are to accept and believe in full (not partial), and act upon by walking in His Word.  In being Born Again, the Word of God begins to open up to us, which is the Holy Spirit of promise kindling a hunger and thirst in us to want to go higher to want to really please The Lord by way of our faith and obedience unto Him.  This is part of the process of going beyond the “sealing  because we feel the necessity for or have the need for, something more in our walk with God. This is when being able to worship Him in spirit and in truth comes in; it fills that “something more” in our walk with God – it supplies that hunger down inside. 

The Spirit of Promise or Truth is with you

the sealing – external – flesh

WATER BAPTISM
 

Shall be in you – truth is in you

the filing – internal – spirit

FIRE BAPTISM

We have got to be totally surrendered for the “filling” to take place, and on top of that, we must ask for it.  We cannot get Born Again and not accept all of God’s Word for today and think we have the fullness of the one baptism.  “God ain’t stupid”!

We Have To Ask For It

After having been “called” (Born Again), we must successfully travel the distance through this world in holiness and righteousness in order to be chosen to possess the kingdom with Jesus. The Word of God down in us and prayer coupled with His Holy Spirit is our tour guide. If there was no difference between being “sealed” and being “filled” with the Holy Ghost, what was the need for Jesus to make the statement He did in Luke 11:10-13.

For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.  If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?  Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him (Luke 11:10-13) 

Ask Him? Yes, the Holy Ghost baptism has to be asked for.  It has to be asked for because it signifies the following:

(1)   our seriousness in going on with The Lord beyond water;

(2)   our seriousness in going on with The Lord in a state of absolute and total surrender to His will in our lives; and

(3)   our seriousness in going on with The Lord in securing and using all the necessary weapons He has provided us to fight against Satan as we journey toward possessing the kingdom with Jesus. 

To just be sealed with the Holy Ghost upon being Born Again and stopping there is why it is extremely easy for professing Christians to live no different than the World, or the unsaved.  Stopping at the sealing makes it easy for one not to believe all of God’s Word and that it is for today as it was for yesterday.  Stopping at the sealing makes it easy for one to spend hours before a television set or movie theater screen watching garbage that encourages them to want to, and in many cases, do commit sin. Stopping at the sealing makes it easy for one to get caught up in the world with idols, or their gods being money, food, success, cars, jobs, etc. all placed before God. Stopping at the sealing makes it easy for one to accept false teachings in The Church and one’s spiritual life.  Stopping at the sealing makes it easy for one to discriminate against people because of their race, color or creed, and think nothing of it, which is part of the reason for “Black Church,” “White Church,” and all other kinds of ethnic churches (barring those due to a language barrier).  Stopping at the sealing brings one to commit sin that is never, ever tolerated by God under no circumstances. Stopping at the sealing inhibits one from bringing the flesh under subjection to the spirit, resulting in not walking as a True Believer, but as a phony, professing Christianity just because he/she says that Jesus is the Son of God. It was Stopping at the sealing that made it easy for so-called Christians to initiate and execute the Inquisitions, Crusades, slavery, segregation of races, and the Holocaust of World War II, to name a few atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.  Holy Ghost sealing is not enough. There is more, and you must seek it out if you expect to live victoriously in righteousness and holiness as The Lord God requires.  There is more to being baptized in Jesus Christ more to being Born Again.

 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire . . . . (Matthew 3:11). 

Fire is symbolic of God’s presence God’s Holy Spirit and His power that He bestows upon the Believer. This is Holy Ghost baptism.  John was speaking of Jesus Christ’s coming with a new baptism or an additional baptism.   This baptism was far reaching beyond water baptism or repenting of our sinful ways.  Sad to say, but that is where a lot of churchgoing people are yet stationed today.  They are (1) lacking the power of God in their lives that enables them to minister unto God in spirit and truth (John 4:23); and (2) unable to resist the Devil, do spiritual warfare, and be vessels through whom God works miracles, signs and wonders during the last days harvest.

The Mark 16:16 description of a Believer is one who has been baptized in water (repentance) and fire (Holy Ghost baptism/power). This Believer believes all God says that He is, and will do all that He says He will do, yesterday, today and forever. This Believer is totally submissive to God wants nothing to do with his/her own will, but God’s will is reigning in his/her life. This Believer is not just giving God lip service, but has earnestly given God his/her heart resulting in total obedience to Him.  This Believer is known by his/her fruit. This is a “Spirit-filled Believer” who speaks in tongues, and not just a “Spirit-sealed Believer.”  This Believer is Holy Ghost baptized – he/she went beyond just being Born Again.

Being that God knows them that would love Him from the beginning, God will only give His Holy Ghost to them that He knows will obey, and will be totally surrendered.  If we have asked for, but do not have the Holy Ghost baptism that a True Believer must have, then surely it is our hearts that must be checked out for sin, and being self-willed is sin.  Sin is the only reason God would withhold the Holy Ghost baptism from any one of us.  We must ask ourselves if we have another god in our lives instead of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Messiah; question our obedience unto The Lord. Matthew 26:41 tells us that the spirit is willing to obey The Lord but the flesh is weak, and flesh gives in to the world, the flesh, and the Devil. The flesh easily gives in because the Holy Ghost baptism is missing.

God does not change His mind “upstream” as man does. Be reminded of Malachi 3:6 which reads, “For I am the Lord, I change not.”  God does not say something today and change His mind about it tomorrow. The reason He does not operate like that is because He sees tomorrow whereas we only see “now,” and He is immutable. When God says something, He means it. The Lord God made promises and He gave gifts to men that He will not rescind. The time has come when we must stop receiving those preachers, teachers, and whomever else sent with the word from hell telling us that we get Holy Ghost baptism (not evidenced with tongues) at the same time we get water baptism, and that Mark 16:16-18 is not for today.  Renounce that in Jesus’ mighty name! God’s plan of salvation is not a one-step program without power (water and fire baptism all in one shot but yet with no power). If our hearts are just right at the time of repentance, which is possible, there can be a “two-in-one-shot baptism,” but that person will be speaking in their heavenly prayer language (tongues), and have fire and power in Jesus’ mighty name. A must! Glory to God!

We have got to believe God for everything and not just some of the things He has written to The Church. God gave this Holy Ghost baptism for us on the earth to have the love of Him in us as we experience joy and peace, and to experience the Kingdom of Heaven in our lives as well as the hereafter. Notice every time Jesus healed someone or delivered someone from demonic powers, He told them that the Kingdom of Heaven had come nigh them. That meant those people believed Jesus for healings and deliverances and believed the power of God operating in Jesus, the Son of God. That was an example to us of what God’s Holy Spirit is about. These and greater works Christ speaks of cannot be done without Holy Ghost fire baptism power!  Church, we have not been moving in the realm of spirituality as the Mark 16:16 Believer. For whatever ungodly reason, all these years we have been neglecting to do what was ordained by God for us to do. REPENT!  Surrender! Believe all! We must ask for Holy Ghost fire baptism for our relationship with the Lord to be in the Spirit, and for His work to go forth in power. God gives it to them that obey Him (Acts 5:32).

Acts And Receiving Holy Ghost Baptism

The lie about “Speaking in tongues is of the Devil” goes back a long way. And yes, if we live for the Devil, then our tongues will be of the Devil. That lie could be expected from those that were getting away from Christ’s true teachings, and the early Church was doing just that when tongues began to cease in the Church. The early Church was becoming apostate because the Roman Church (Catholic) had begun to control the other church bodies in Asia Minor, when in fact no one has control over The Church of Jesus Christ except Jesus Christ Himself.  It is believed that by the second century, speaking in tongues, or glossolalia, was a sign of stupidity when one went into this kind of ecstasy. The Church had begun to think like this because of its defection from the true teachings of Christ, which meant it was moving in the “flesh” and not in the “spirit” and therefore had no desire for spiritual things. Imagine that, the flesh calling God’s Holy Ghost baptism stupid or ignorant?  It is that same way today.  It is preached and taught by so-called Christians that “Speaking in tongues is of the Devil,” but it is “NOT SPEAKING” in tongues that is of the Devil.

Interjection:  Brothers and Sisters in The Lord, let Him speak to your heart about Him meaning for today what He meant yesterday. Believe Him, and pay no attention to some dead preacher, teacher, seminary, or denomination trying to take you to hell with them because they don’t believe all of the Word of God for these last days.  Do not receive their lies – go to the Word of God for yourself. Dearly beloved, God is trying to open your eyes to His spiritual requirements for you to possess the kingdom with Christ Jesus in the Millennium.  God is doing this because He is so wonderfully loving and patient, and wanting what’s best for you.  I beg of you, in the Name of Jesus Christ, believe The Lord’s Word written to you! Believe the Scriptures!  It is all there, and it’s all there for a reason, and it hasn’t changed.

You! Listen Up!  Acts Is Speaking To You

               he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire… (Luke 3:16).

This fire is God’s electrical charge in the spirit of the Believer baptism in the Holy Ghost Holy Ghost power. This is God’s presence and the instrument of His power.

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses [the Word of God coupled with miracles, signs, and wonders] unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth (Acts 1:8).

This power is miraculous work through Jesus Christ for the Body of Christ/the Church to be witnesses of God’s existence and love. You, the Church, cannot be a true witness, especially during the end time harvest, without that “fire” that Christ baptizes with. Without it you are kidding yourself and you have been for a long time.  “Playing church” is what you’ve been doing. (Being without Holy Ghost baptism is why the Body of Christ is in such deep apostasy and has been for hundreds of years, but super worse now.)

You must never forget that God cannot lie.  What God said, He will do.  “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good”  (Numbers 23:19). Power to be a witness unto Jesus Christ comes by the Holy Ghost baptism and is clearly evidenced by speaking in tongues. If the Word of God is not true, then do not believe this, but if you believe the Word of God to be true, then repent of not having believed you need Holy Ghost baptism that is evidenced by speaking in tongues. Ask The Lord to help your unbelief so that you can have the necessary spiritual tools to (1) worship Him in spirit and in truth; (2) walk in true righteousness and holiness; (3) witness to the unsaved harvest; and (4) peacefully go through the fire during the days of The Great Tribulation. God’s Word is not a lie.

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.  And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance (Acts 2:3-4). 

These Believers had already received the Word of God and were baptized unto repentance (water baptism the “sealing of” dwelling with you), but had not yet received the “filling of” (shall be in you) or the baptism in the Holy Ghost fire and power within you.

Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear (Acts 2:33). 

That was Pentecost God’s promise (to His people) of the Holy Spirit in action.  This is the Gospel accompanied by the power of God.  This is without a doubt, WHAT IS NOT GOING ON IN THE CHURCH TODAY, but should be. Pentecost should be until Christ returns. To truly be a witness through whom God works, you must have the power of God operating in your life, and that goes for both preacher and Sheep the whole Body of Christ.  This is life in the Holy Ghost. This is how one walks in the Spirit.

And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness (Acts 4:31). 

Church, when you have this fire baptism, you are as bold as lightening. In the spirit, you are frank and confident in your witness the Word of God spoken by you, piercing the innermost of a person.  You preachers, especially, stop fooling yourselves by saying, “I’ve already got it.  When I preach, people scream and shout.” Well, you don’t have it! Screaming, shouting, grunting, and moaning and groaning while preaching, is not the Gospel coming in power separating the bone from the marrow, and with miracles, signs, and wonders demonstrated. It is simply screaming, shouting, grunting, and moaning and groaning. You don’t have it either, you in the pews screaming “Praise The Lord,” “Oh, Glory to God,” and jumping around as though the Spirit of God is really upon you, or maybe even shedding a bucket of tears. You don’t have it! You are a fake, and God knows that you are. That is why The Lord is in much grief over you. Yes, He is grieving over your brand of Christianity polluted Christianity that is in no way acceptable to Him. Seek the real thing, Jesus’ Baptism in the Holy Ghost boldness in the Spirit. It is vital!  It is uninterrupted existence of Pentecost.

Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he [Holy Ghost] was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus [water baptism/repentance].) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost (Acts 8:14-17).  

These people of Samaria had not been baptized with the Holy Ghost.  They first heard the Gospel, believed and received it, repented and were baptized in the name of Jesus, which was the sealing with the Holy Ghost Phase One baptism unto repentance. When the people of Samaria first believed, they were sealed with the Holy Ghost, but it was not until Peter and John went to Samaria and prayed over them that they received the Holy Ghost baptism as Verse 16 says (the Holy Ghost was not fallen upon any of them).  The word “fallen” in the Greek is epipipto meaning seize. God’s Holy Spirit takes control of your life because you now have totally surrendered your will and His Holy Spirit is now in you, possessing you. Aside from wanting and asking for Holy Ghost fire baptism, it is imperative that you first be a broken and willing vessel with an obedient spirit as Acts 5:32 speaks of…

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost whom God hah given to them that obey him (Acts 5:32). 

God knows your heart, and your heart says all there is to be said about you. God knows when you have made Him first in your life and will obey Him. It is at that point that The Father and The Son gladly make their abode in you Holy Ghost fire baptism, the second phase of  baptism. Without it you are nothing in Christ and can do nothing.  That’s right, you are nothing in Christ without it!

Church, dearly beloved in Christ, do not continue to sit under preaching and teaching that tells you “Acts is not for today.” Those very same preachers and teachers that do not preach and teach what the Word of God says are AGAINST God, and are responsible for the scattering of the sheep putting the Saints to flight, flight from walking the way of life as God has ordained. Where there is no fire and power in the church body and the preaching, know that God’s Holy Spirit is not there.  It is a sepulcher of dead men’s bones and not the house of God. “Ichabod” is written over the doorpost. Saints, get out while you still have the chance. Pray The Lord will lead you to a Spirit-filled church body, unpolluted, and where His Holy Spirit truly dwells His anointing is, which is for the equipping and perfecting of the Saints. (You are the Saints of God you that are alive and follow The Lord.) Come out of that death trap of a dead church body you are sitting in, for the Spirit of God is life, not death.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.  For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?  And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.  Then prayed they him to tarry certain days (Acts 10:45-48). 

You, dear Saint, Holy Ghost baptism is for you as it was for Peter and the early Saints. Without a doubt baptism is in two phases. It looks as though those Saints above got Holy Ghost baptism before the water baptism, and did so because God looked upon their repentant hearts and saw obedience in them. Baptism/circumcision in the heart must first of all take place. The hearts of those Saints were in deep repentance “before” and “without” water washing because the water itself is not what makes you Born Again, but true repentance before The Lord. (The water washing symbolizes sin washed away so that there is no condemnation of past sins that have already been forgiven.  This is of no effect if there is no spirit regeneration.) This was evidence that the people had heard the Gospel of our Lord Jesus, repented and because their hearts were contrite, obedient, and had love for The Lord, they were baptized with fire as well. This also proves to you that you can repent and be baptized in your spirit without being washed in water first, and that is not to say one doesn’t need the water washing.  God can do what He wants to do and He is showing you that here in Acts. There is no 1-2-3 way to getting it.  Just BELIEVE, and believe that there are two phases of the one baptism in Christ and that you need them both.  You need both to survive spiritually and physically in this world, and to be found faithful in the end.

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.  And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized?  And they said, Unto John’s baptism.  Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is on Christ Jesus.  When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.  And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied (Acts 19:1-6). 

These people had heard the Word, BELIEVED on Him who should come after John the Baptist, repented and were indeed baptized unto repentance (according to that which John preached). Later they were baptized in the name of Jesus (according to the Gospel Jesus preached), and because they were Believers of all of the Word of God, and with obedient spirits, which God saw, they were then baptized in the Holy Ghost as Paul laid hands upon them. Their Holy Ghost baptism was evidenced by tongues (prayer language) and the gift of prophecy.   They were Mark 16 Believers. Church, if you have no “tongues,” you have no Holy Ghost, and don’t let anybody tell you otherwise.  Seek it!

In Conclusion

Beloved, Paul repented of his sinful ways and got his sight back, and was filled with the Holy Ghost by the laying on of Ananias‘ hands. It was this Holy Ghost fire baptism that equipped Paul to do the great work of The Lord’s to the Gentiles. This same Holy Ghost fire baptism is a must for you as a Believer, to enable you to worship God in spirit and in truth, be faithful/righteous, be obedient, and live and work in the Kingdom.

Holy Ghost fire baptism is a must if Luke 10:19 is to be exercised in your life.

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy; and nothing shall by any means hurt you (Luke 10:19). 

This is spiritual warfare that you have needed all this time, and will need even more during the horrific days to come. It is the Holy Ghost fire baptism that empowers you to engage in spiritual warfare. Remember, demons are spiritual enemies and as Believers, you have to deal with them in the spirit, daily.  Yes, daily in your lives, for it is not just those faces you see that are being nasty and unkind to you, but it is the demonic spirits behind those faces. God’s solution for victory over demonic power is spiritual warfare, which can only be done in the spirit by way of having Holy Ghost fire baptism.

Jesus knew that His followers needed both authority and power to deal with the enemy, therefore His promises were not limited to the Apostles, but are also meant for The Church/Body of Christ you, today. The authority you have comes through salvation and the power you have comes through the baptism in the Holy Ghost. They are inseparable one baptism in Christ. There is just no other way, and do not let anybody tell you there is another way; for that person is a liar and has the enemy working through him or her to detour your walk toward possessing the kingdom.

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him (Luke 11:13). 

If there was no need for Holy Ghost/Spirit baptism in addition to being Born Again, this Scripture would not be in the Bible. If you automatically get this gift when you first become Born Again and it is not evidenced by speaking in tongues (according to Acts it is evidenced by speaking in tongues), why would you have to ask again? Remember, God keeps His promises and He also sees what is in your heart. Knowing that, with all sincerity, ask The Lord for this good gift enabling you to go forth as a True Believer and a powerful witnessing tool. Above that though, ask The Lord for this good gift so that you can worship Him in spirit and in truth, walk in righteousness and holiness, and be able to live a victorious life by resisting the Devil.  Praise The Lord!

Holy Ghost Baptism

After reading the  above message, “True Christians Are Holy Ghost Baptized,” (http://scarlet-to-snow.com/info27.htm) pray the following prayer for Holy Ghost baptism:
Father God, I thank You for sending Your Son, Jesus, and rescuing me from darkness.  Lord, I surrender my absolute and total will unto You, now and forever, and want only Your will in my life from this moment forward.
(Take a moment here to reflect on and repent of those things and people in your life that you place first in your heart, but now willing to let go of and make God first in your heart.)
I trust Your will, Lord, because You are my Savior.  You said in Luke 11:13 that if I ask You for Your Holy Spirit, You will give Him to me.  Lord, please baptize me in Your precious Holy Ghost evidenced by my speaking in tongues so that I can worship You in spirit and in truth as is written in John 4:23-24.

Thank You Father in Jesus’ mighty name.  Amen!

Raise your hands toward Heaven and begin to praise The Lord and thank Him for His Holy Spirit!

Keep praising and thanking Him for His love for you and His blessings upon you!
Praise Him for His goodness!
Praise Him for His lovingkindness!
Keep praising Him!

http://www.scarlet-to-snow.com/HolyGhostBaptism.htm

 
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Personal Humbleness is one of the basic prerequisite to allow God to personally speak to us. I know that many persons now tend to limit, cripple how God can speak to them, as only being through the Mind, through the Bible, only through others,  or through circumstances.. well I also know that the devil can speak to you and me that way now too.. or he devil can send you a supposedly wise person telling you what you should do , what to do. and  often rather making it a lot worse.

Although I had been a Christian for 15 years already. .I was 35 years old when someone said i could hear God speak to me and boy I  was mad.. mad  mad.. and I said it was all untrue..   I  recognized next that  the sprit of God was telling me not to get upset and that God would talk to me this evening, next I was to drive to my favorite spot where i loved to see the mountains views this evening a and which i did..  when i got there God told me to shut up and be quiet for 30 minutes first.. next he said for me to praise the lord.. which i did for 30 minutes.. and then i could hear God talking to me specially.. for about an hour.. he God next told me he had my life planned for me. Now from then on I have learned to talk with God, to pray to him, to share with him my needs, and to discuss them, as well as listen to what he says next..

Now I  had send a birthday present my nephew and I had left a part of it out.. God told me I could send it in another Parcel, so next I had  sent the other parcel next when I was subsequently told that the parcel was lost in delivery. This surprised me cause as why would God tell me to send it.. But a few weeks later I got a phone call telling me the parcel was found. it was still  delivered.. Jesus said my sheep hear my Voice, and the Bible says that you will not go to the left or right unless you hear a confirming voice telling you this is the way walk there in.

Some people seem amazed that God can, and will now speak to his children, given the proper conditions being met, but me I am often amazed how is it that so many people cannot hear God, as to what un-confessed, un-repented of sins are obstructing their relationship with him now..

Believe it I do often hear God, Jesus, holy Spirit talking to me in an audible and in audible voices. It brings me great joy always now too.

God will speak to us


-but we also do need to write it down because our memories tend to be very short.
-and we need to share it with others next as well for as we sow more will be given back to us..
If you know beforehand the Bible well you will also know the reality of his revelations which will not contradict the Bible..

God’s voice. Elijah described it as a still, small voice (I Kings 19:12).
I do always listen  for an inner audible voice, and I say too “Speak lord for they servant is ready to hear”..- Doubt may eventually next hinder you at first, but throw it off, reminding yourself that it is a biblical concept, and that God is present, speaking to His children.- Don’t take your own way,  yourself, or your own personal importance too seriously which is also a sin.. of pride, rebellion, stubbornness,
 
When you do, you become tense and get in the  way of the Holy Spirit’s movement. It is also  when  we cease our labors and enter His rest that  God is free to flow (Heb. 4:10). Therefore  turn your attention  toward God in praise and worship, seeking His  face. As you wait before God, fixing your gaze solely on Jesus,   in a humble state of mind  and become all still before him, fixing your gaze on Jesus,  God  is present with you, you will become more real to you and you too will discover that you are indeed  dialoguing with God.
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You Can Hear God’s Voice! ( and here is one of many approaches to do so)
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Four keys to consistent, powerful, life-giving conversations with God
 
How to receive revelation knowledge
 
An example of revelation knowledge is when you are reading the Bible and a verse leaps off the page, hits  you between the eyes, and God says, “This is for you right now.” These are precious experiences for the believer. However, for many, they do not happen often enough. There are seven things I do which allow me  the privilege of receiving revelation knowledge every time I read the Bible. Truth and insights leap off the  page and an understanding of how they are to adjust my life permeates my spirit and soul. I love this  experience and hunger for it every time I read the Scriptures. That is why I prepare myself by doing the  following seven things. Prayerfully reflect on these steps and determine which ones you do and don’t use. 
 
 
Biblical Meditation  Resulting in illumination, revelation knowledge, anointed reasoning  
Do Not Do This:
LEFTBRAIN
STUDY/RATIONAL HUMANISM
1. Have unconfessed sin
2. Have a pre-conceived attitude
3. Be independent: “I can…”
4. Read quickly
5. Rely on reason & analysis only 
6. Read without specific purpose
7. Take credit for insights
 
But Do This:
WHOLEBRAIN/HEART
MEDITATION/DIVINE REVELATION
1. Be washed by Jesus’ blood
2. Have a teachable attitude
3. Pray: “Lord, show me”
4. Slow down, ponder, muse
5. Combine anointed reason,  flowing pictures, music &  speech
6. Read with focused purpose
7. Glorify God for insights
 
The Seven Steps of  Biblical Meditation Explained: 

1. LORD, CLEANSE ME BY YOUR BLOOD: Since receiving divine revelation is at the heart of biblical meditation, you must prepare yourself to receive from the Holy Spirit by repenting and being cleansed by the blood of the Lamb. You must be obedient to previous revelations from God (Matt. 7:6), and confess any sin in your life, so you are not cut off from ongoing revelation (Is. 59:1,2; I Jn. 1:9).

2. LORD, GRANT ME A TEACHABLE ATTITUDE: Revelation is given to those who maintain an  attitude of humility, and it is withheld from the proud and the arrogant. So keep an  open, humble attitude before God, allowing Him the freedom to shed greater light on  any ideas you currently hold and to alter them as He sees fit (Jas. 4:6; II Pet. 1:19).

3. LORD, I WILL NOT USE MY FACULTIES MYSELF: You can do nothing of your own initiative but only what you hear and see by the Spirit (Jn. 5:19,20,30). You do not have a mind to use, but a mind to present to God so He can use it and fill it with anointed reason and divine vision (Prov. 3:5-7; Rom.  12:1,2). If you use your mind yourself, it is a dead work (Heb. 6:1,2).

4. LORD, I PRAY THAT THE EYES OF MY HEART MIGHT BE  ENLIGHTENED: Slow down as you read, mulling the text over and over in your heart and mind, praying constantly for God to give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him (Eph.  1:17,18; Ps. 119:18).

5. LORD, I PRESENT THE ABILITIES TO REASON AND TO IMAGINE TO YOU TO FILL AND FLOW THROUGH BY YOUR SPIRIT: Meditation involves presenting your faculties to God for Him to fill and use. These include your left-brain reasoning capacities as well as your right-brain  visual capacities. Look for the river of God (i.e.  “Spirit flow”) to guide and fill both hemispheres, granting you anointed reasoning and dream and vision (Jn. 7:37-39). Music can assist you, as can muttering, speaking, and writing as you go through the discovery process (II Kings 3:15).

6. LORD, SHOW ME THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM I AM FACING: Focused attention brings additional energies of  concentration of heart and mind, which help  release revelation. For example, note the difference between a ray of sunlight hitting a piece of  paper, and sunlight going through a magnifying  glass to hit a piece of paper. The focused energycreates a ray so concentrated that the paper bursts into flames. When you have a hunger to master a new understanding and discipline, that hungry and searching heart will cause you to see things you  would not normally see (Matt. 5:6).

7. THANK YOU, LORD, FOR WHAT YOU HAVE SHOWN ME: Realizing that the revelation came from the indwelling Holy Spirit, give all the glory to God for what has been revealed (Eph. 3:21). 

Another Great Aid to “Seeing”: Writing Out Scripture

When you write or type out a verse, you discover words which you  otherwise might have missed. Therefore, I write out verses which I  know are key truths for my life. I pray over them, diagram them,  analyze them, meditate on them. That is why I have written many of  my books. I write so I can learn, so I can put truths I am understanding in my own words and in a framework which is meaningful for me.

The following is the law which God gave for new kings who had just  been crowned and were coming to sit upon their throne for the first  time: “Now it shall come about when he sits on the throne of his  kingdom, he shall write for himself a copy of this law on a  scroll in the presence of the Levitical priests” (Deut. 17:18). Since we are kings and priests, are we to do any less (I Pet 2:9)? Let  us make the writing out of Scriptures an important part of our lives.

When we hear of one actually claiming to be able to hear the voice of God. However, we do  not scoff, for several reasons. First, men and  women throughout the Bible heard God’s  voice. Also, there are some highly effective  and reputable men and women of God alive  today who demonstrate that they hear God’s
voice. Finally, there is a deep hunger within us  all to commune with God, and hear Him speak  within our hearts.
As a born-again, Bible-believing Christian, I  struggled unsuccessfully for years to hear God’s  voice. I prayed, fasted, studied my Bible and  listened for a voice  within, all to no avail. There  was no inner voice that I could hear!   God set me aside for a year to study, read, and  experiment in the area of learning to hear His voice. During that time, the Lord taught me  four keys that opened the door to two-way  prayer. I have discovered that not only do they  work for me, but they have worked for many  thousands of believers who have been taught  to use them, bringing tremendous intimacy to  their Christian experience and transforming their very way of living. This will happen to you  also as you seek God, utilizing the following  four keys. The key are all found in Habakkuk 2: 1,2. I encourage you to read this passage before  going on.

Key #1 – God’s voice in our hearts may sound  like a flow of spontaneous thoughts. ( confused also by the devil’s obstructions sometimes) Therefore, when I tune to God solely (  In prayer I first do ask the devil to stop talking to me, and I ask God alone to speak to me, God next he answers this prayer, I tune to spontaneity. The Bible says that the Lord answered me and  said…(Hab. 2:2). Habakkuk knew the sound of can and does speak that way at times. How  ever, I have found that for most of us, most of  the time, God’s inner voice comes to us first  as an interrupted spontaneous thoughts, visions, feelings, or impressions, (since we tend top have no room for god and often are busy pursing our own selfish, self centered ways and thoughts) . For example, haven’t each of us had the experience of driving down the road  and having a thought come to us to pray for  a certain person? We generally acknowledge  this to be the voice of God calling us to pray for  that individual. My question to you is, “What  did God’s voice sound like as you drove in your  car? Was it an inner, audible voice, or was it a  spontaneous thought that lit upon your mind?”  Most of you would say that God’s voice came  to you as a spontaneous thought.So I thought to myself, “Maybe when I listen  for God’s voice, I should be listening for a flow  of spontaneous thoughts. Maybe spirit-level  communication is received as spontaneous  thoughts, impressions, feelings, and visions.”  Through experimentation and feedback from  thousands of others, I am now convinced that  this is so.

The Bible confirms this in many ways. The definition of paga, the Hebrew word for intercession, is “a chance encounter or an accidental  intersecting.” When God lays people on our  hearts for intercession, He does it through  paga, a chance-encounter thought, accidentally  intersecting our thought processes. Therefore, when I tune to God, I tune to chance-encounter thoughts or spontaneous thoughts. When I am poised quietly before God in prayer, I have found that the flow of spontaneous thoughts  that comes is quite definitely from God.

Key #2 – I must learn to still my own thoughts and emotions, so that I can sense God’s flow of thoughts and emotions within me.

Habakkuk said, “I will stand on my guard post and station myself on the rampart…” (Hab. 2:1). Habakkuk knew that in order to hear God’s quiet, inner, spontaneous thoughts, he had to first go to a quiet place and still his own thoughts and emotions. Psalm 46:10 encourages us to be still, and know that He is God. There is a deep inner knowing (spontaneous flow) in our spirits that each of us can experience when we quiet our flesh and our minds.I have found several simple ways to quiet myself  so that I can more readily pick up God’s spontaneous flow. Loving God through a quiet worship song is a most effective means for me (For God inhabits the praises of his people, his nearness is made more real,  note  II Kings 3:15). It is as I become still (thoughts,  will, and emotions) and am poised before God  that the divine flow is realized. Therefore, after  I worship quietly and then become still, I open  myself for that spontaneous flow. If thoughts  come to me of things I have forgotten to do,  I write them down and then dismiss them. If  thoughts of guilt or unworthiness come to my  mind, I repent thoroughly, receive the washing  of the blood of the Lamb, and put on His robe  of righteousness, seeing myself spotless before  the presence of God (Is. 61:10; Col. 1:22).

As I fix my gaze upon Jesus (Heb. 12:2), be coming quiet in His presence, and sharing with  Him what is on my heart, I find that two-way  dialogue begins to flow. Spontaneous thoughts  flow from the throne of God to me, and I find that I am actually conversing with the King of  Kings. It is very important that you become still and properly focused if you are going to receive  the pure word of God. If you are not still, you  will simply be receiving your own thoughts. If  you are not properly focused on Jesus, you will  receive an impure flow, because the intuitive  flow comes out of that upon which you have  fixed your eyes. Therefore, if you fix your eyes  upon Jesus, the intuitive flow comes from Jesus. If you fix your gaze upon some desire of  your heart, the intuitive flow comes out of that desire of your heart. To have a pure flow you  must first of all become still, and secondly, you  must carefully fix your eyes upon Jesus. Again I  will say, quietly worshiping the King, and then  receiving out of the stillness that follows quite easily accomplish this.

 
Key #3 – As I pray, I fix the eyes of my heart upon Jesus, seeing in the spirit the dreams and visions of Almighty God.

We have already alluded to this principle in  the previous paragraphs; however, we need to  develop it a bit further. Habakkuk said, “I will  keep watch to see,” and God said, “Record the  vision” (Hab. 2:1,2). It is very interesting that  Habakkuk was going to actually start looking  for vision as he prayed. He was going to open the eyes of his heart, and look into the spirit  world to see what God wanted to show him.  This is an intriguing idea.I had never thought of opening the eyes of  my heart and looking for vision. However, the  more I thought of it, the more I realized this  was exactly what God intends for me to do. He  gave me eyes in my heart. They are to be used  to see in the spirit world the vision and movement of Almighty God. I believe there is an  active spirit world functioning all around me. is world is full of angels, demons, the Holy Spirit, the omnipresent God, and His omnipresent Son, Jesus. There is no reason for me not to see it, other than my rational culture, which tells me not to believe it is even there and provides no instruction on how to become open to seeing this spirit world.

The  most obvious prerequisite to seeing is that  we need to look. Daniel was seeing a vision in  his mind and he said, “I was looking…I kept  looking… I kept  looking” (Dan. 7:2,9,13). Now  as I pray, I look for Jesus present with me, and  I watch Him as He speaks to me, doing and  saying the things that are on His heart. Many  Christians will find that if they will only look,  they will see. Jesus is Emmanuel, God with us  (Matt. 1:23). It is as simple as that. You will see  a spontaneous inner vision in a manner similar  to receiving spontaneous inner thoughts. You  can see Christ present with you in a comfortable setting, because Christ is present with  you in a comfortable setting. Actually, you  will probably discover that inner vision comes  so easily you will have a tendency to reject it,  thinking that it is just you. (Invalid Doubt is Satan’s  most effective weapon against the Church.)  However, if you will persist in recording these  visions, your doubt will soon be overcome by   faith as you recognize that the content of them  could only be birthed in Almighty God.God continually revealed Himself to His covenant people using dream and vision. He did so  from Genesis to Revelation and said that, since  the Holy Spirit was poured out in Acts 2, we  should expect to receive a continuing flow of  dreams and visions (Acts 2:1-4,17). Jesus, our  perfect Example, demonstrated this ability of  living out of ongoing contact with Almighty  God. He said that He did nothing on His own initiative, but only that which He saw the Father doing, and heard the Father saying (Jn.  5:19,20,30). What an incredible way to live!

Is it actually possible for us to live out of the  divine initiative as Jesus did? A major purpose  of Jesus’ death and resurrection was that the  veil be torn from top to bottom, giving us access into the immediate presence of God, and  we are commanded to draw near (Lk. 23:45;  Heb. 10: 19-22). Therefore, even though what I  am describing seems a bit unusual to a rational  twentieth-century culture, it is demonstrated  and described as being a central biblical teaching and experience. It is time to restore to the  Church all that belongs to the Church.

Because of their intensely rational nature and existence in an overly-rational culture, some will need more assistance and understanding of these truths before they can move into them. They will find this help in the book Communion With God by the same authors.

Key #4 – Journaling, the writing out of our prayers and God’s answers, provides a greater new freedom in hearing God’s voice.

God told Habakkuk to record the vision and  inscribe it on tablets…(Hab. 2:2). It had never  crossed my mind to write out my prayers and  God’s answers as Habakkuk did at God’s command. If you begin to search Scripture for this  idea, you will find hundreds of chapters demonstrating it (Psalms, many of the prophets, Revelation). Why then hadn’t I ever thought  of it? (Or why have I refused to do it is the question too)I called the process “journaling,” and I began  experimenting with it. I discovered it to be a  fabulous facilitator to clearly discerning God’s”

Many academic scholars study the Bible and they still fail at it drastically.
A Study (My use of one part of one hemisphere of my brain) 
1. Is nowhere endorsed in Scripture (II Tim. 2:15 is a mis-translation in the KJV Bible).
2. Is self in action (Humanism – a false god).

3. Is self using reason (Rationalism – a false god).

4. Results in wisdom from below – earthly, natural, demonic (Jas. 3:15). For example, reason caused Peter to be
at odds with the purposes of God (Jn. 18:10,11).

Study violates the following biblical principles:

1. Gal. 2:20 – I resurrect self, which no longer lives.

2. Rom. 12:1 – I am using my faculties rather than presenting them to God to use.

3. Is. 1:18 – I’m reasoning, rather than reasoning together with God.

4. Gen. 3:5 – I’ve fallen prey to the temptation of the Garden of Eden that “I can know good and evil.”

  

Meditation (Hebrew/Lamad) To murmur; to converse with oneself, and hence aloud; speak; talk; babbling;  communication; mutter; roar; mourn; a murmuring sound; i.e., a musical notation;  to study; to ponder; revolve in the mind; imagine; pray; prayer; reflection; devotion”  (Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance*)

Meditation (God’s use of every part of both hemispheres of my brain as He fills and flows out through my heart by His Spirit)

1. Is endorsed 18 times in the KJV Bible.

2. Is God in action within the individual.

3. Is God granting revelation through the heart and mind which has been yielded to Him.

4. Results in wisdom from above – pure, peaceable, gentle (Jas. 3:17).

Meditation applies the following biblical principles:

1. Gal. 2:20 – I let Christ live through me.

2. Rom. 12:1 – I am yielding my outer faculties to the indwelling Spirit (to “flow” – Jn. 7:38).

3. Is. 11:2 When reasoning together with God, I receive a spirit of wisdom and understanding and knowledge.

4. Jn. 5:19,20,30 – I’m living as Jesus did, out of divine initiative, doing what I see and hear my Father doing. “

– Visit www.cwgministries.org  for many more free articles, free downloadable books and additional information on hearing God’s voice.

So did you start your journey with God in full, or are you still lost, in the wilderness? still in un-confessed, un-repented  sins, self centered, selfishly doing your own thing. Trying wrongfully to do it in your own strength.

One of the most successful of Satan’s deceptions is the promulgation of the belief that he and his angels are not here on the earth, In Revelation 12:7-9 we read, “And there was war in heaven: Michael [Christ] and his angels fought against the dragon [Satan]; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Satan’s angels are the angels that he deceived into following him in his rebellion against God. Notice that Satan and his angels [devils] were not cast out of heaven to hell; they were cast out to the earth, which is where they are right now! Jesus says in Luke 10:18, “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Revelation 12:12: “Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.” Additional texts which show that Satan resides on the earth are found in the book of Job. The story of the Garden of Eden is given in Genesis 2:8 through 3:24. There are only four persons mentioned: God, Adam, Eve, and the devil, Satan, who masqueraded as a serpent. Then, after Adam and Eve had been expelled, God stationed angels to guard the garden.  “Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created. . . .” God therefore certainly did not create the devil, but He did create the perfect, holy angel who later became the devil. When God created beings with free will, He knew that sooner or later one of them would begin to experience pride and selfish ambition just as Satan did. If Satan had not been created, the experience that happened to him would have happened to another angel. Why God created beings with free will, beings who can disobey if they choose, The devil still walks on earth and reports to God.  Job 1:7 says, “And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.”  Genesis 1:31 tells us that “God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.” Everything was in perfect harmony with everything else. None of God’s creatures ever hurt another or made another unhappy. Where, then, did these obnoxious things come from? Where do the diseases from which mankind suffers come from? Why do animals and human beings hurt and kill one another now when they did not do this originally? Why does the lion eat other animals now instead of straw like the ox, as it did before? Consider the experience of the apostle Paul. A dedicated soldier of truth for the Lord and writer of many of the books of the New Testament, Paul had a physical infirmity. In 2 Corinthians 12:7, he tells us where his infirmity came from. “And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.” Paul says that his problem was from Satan. He also says that he was given the problem so that he would not become proud because of the abundance of God’s revelations to him. God revealed to Paul the whole truth concerning Satan’s rebellion, and it is easy to see that this privilege might have tended to make Paul proud. You see, God did not afflict Paul, but He allowed Satan to do so. Another text that shows that the devil is the cause of pain and suffering is Luke 13:11. “And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.” Here a woman is described who was paralyzed in a bowed-together position, probably with arthritis, for eighteen years. Did God do this to that poor woman and make her suffer for eighteen years? Of course not. God is the ultimate of love and kindness. In Luke 13:16, Jesus explains who did do this to the woman. “And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?” You see, Satan afflicted this woman just as he afflicted Paul and just as he causes sickness and suffering in our world today. Satan is the one who causes all disease and suffering in our world.  The only hope we have of penetrating this wall of lies and deception which Satan has built around us is in the whole Bible,  the New Testament included, the standard for truth in our world. Remember that God cannot lie. (Titus 1:2). First Peter 5:8 tells us to “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.” We get a further understanding of the extent of our deception in 2 Corinthians 4:4, which explains that Satan “hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” Proverbs 16:25 tells us that “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” First Corinthians 2:14 says, “The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him.” In Matthew 24:24 Jesus Himself warns that “There shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” 2 Corinthians 11:14,15. “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

 

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Latter Rain (Christian Church) Movement – The real latter day saints..

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For a great background introduction see http://lifebyjesus.wordpress.com/2013/08/17/jesus-christ-is-god/

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 The Latter Rain Movement also now is  the Pentecostalism Biblical teaching that the Lord is pouring out His Spirit again, as He did at Pentecost, and equipping the Holy Spirit filled believers to do his will .
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The term “latter rain” was first used early in the history of Pentecostalism, when David Wesley Myland wrote a book called Latter Rain Songs in 1907. Three years later, Myland wrote The Latter Rain Covenant, a defense of Pentecostalism in general.
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 Joel 2:23, “Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for He hath given you the former rain moderately, and He will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.”
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Truthfully the  “rain” in this verse is the  outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The “latter rain” (the present  end-times outpouring) would be greater than the “former rain.”
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In 1948, a “revival” broke out in Saskatchewan, Canada, and the teachings of the Latter Rain movement were clarified. Those involved in the revival were convinced that they were on the verge of a new era, one in which the Holy Spirit would demonstrate His power in a greater way than the world had ever seen. Not even the age of the apostles, they said, had witnessed such a movement of the Holy Spirit.
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 Latter Rain doctrine includes the following beliefs:
– All the gifts of the Spirit, including tongues, are received through the laying on of hands
– All Christians can be demonized and do require deliverance
– God has restored all the offices of ministry to the Church, including apostle and prophet
– divine healing can be administered through the anointing with oil or the laying on of hands
– Our own praise and worship of God does  usher God more effectively   into our presence
– The women have a full and equal ministry role in the Church
– Eventually all denominational lines will be destroyed, and the Church will unify in the last days –
the “latter rain”   Church is  victorious over the world until the entrance of Christ’s kingdom
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Genesis 1:28,   ”Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth”
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THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD CHURCHES BUT THE NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION IS DECEPTIVE
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The International Coalition of Apostles headed by C. Peter Wagner is the most influential purveyor of the New Apostolic Reformation, a term coined by Wagner. This organization is really an extension of the New Order of the Latter Rain whose influences and mentors include William Branham, Franklin Hall, the Hawtin brothers, and more recently Bill Hamon, Paul Cain and the Kansas City Prophets. The doctrines of the Latter Rain have influenced most of the televangelists on TV today, and so have crept deceptively into many denominations. The main heretical teachings of the New Order Of The Latter Rain, as ruled in 1949 at the General Council of the Assemblies of God held in Seattle, were as follows: (1) The restoration of foundational apostles and prophets in the churches. (2) The teaching and promotion of a transferable impartation or anointing that are passed on “by” the laying on of hands “by” the will of man. (3) Confession and deliverance from sin to men. (4) The impartation of spiritual gifts by the laying on of hands such as the gift of languages for missionary service and other “ministry skills”. (5) The extreme and unscriptural practice of imparting or imposing personal leadings by the means of the gifts of utterance, “word of knowledge” or prophecy. (6) Distortions of scripture interpretations, which are in opposition to teachings and practices generally accepted among the Church. These doctrines deemed heretical by the Assemblies Of God in 1949, which are now common fare because of the Brownsville ‘Revival” and the Third Wave movement, are all being promoted today in the New Apostolic Reformation. http://www.scribd.com/doc/16611959/New-Apostolic-Reformation-Is-Deceptive
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I ATTENDED A LATTER RAIN CHURCH  FOR MANY YEARS, I LOVED THEIR TEACHINGS, THEIR GREAT SERVICES AT THE CALGARY CHRISTIAN CENTRE,  BUT  IN THE END I HELPED TO CLOSE THE CHURCH DOWN AND I HELPED TO GET  RID OF  ALL THE RATHER BAD PASTORS  INCLUDING REV DAVID LAGORE THERE TOO..  AS IT NOW HAD  TOO MANY CROOKS, DISHONEST PERSONS. THEY HAD FALSELY  HIJACKED LATTER RAIN TEACHINGS TO TRY TO  MAKE MONEY OUT OF IT.. THERE ARE ALWAYS STILL GOOD AND BAD PASTORS,CHURCHES TOO.. WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET FOOD POISONING  TOO.. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-deacons-bad-elders-bad-church/
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Here 28/30 pastor’s relatives were on the church payroll.. and lying, steal, adultery was also common even amongst the Pastors.. I CAUGHT ONE OF THEIR PASTORS RENTING WORLDLY  VIDEOS.
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EACH PERSON CAN BE A DR JEKYLL OR A MR HYDE CONCURRENTLY, A GOOD PERSON AT ONE TIME AND OTHER BAD PERSON NEXT TOO IT DEPENDS UPON WHAT PART OF YOU YOU NOW DO ALLOW TO DOMINATE, INFLUENCE, CONTROL YOU. WE CAN WALK IN THE FLESH OR IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. We can walk humbly or walk in a false pride… AND THE RESULTS WILL VARY TOO.
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By the way while I consider the Pentecostal churches to be far superior over any other groups, denominations  still there are good and bad Pentecostals, good and bad Pentecostal pastors, churches.  Just like there are good and bad Professing Christians  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/the-false-jesus-name-apostolic-holiness-church-oneness-pentecostal-christianity/
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It is a very sad reality that even these days in the churches  that up to 70 percent of the pastors have not been called by God, they are imposters, hirelings and are not genuine shepherds of the flock.  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/spirtual-abuse-by-the-so-called-christian-leaders/
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These third wave named Pentecostal Ministers are the crooks, thieves, liars who use the Church, Gospel to steal God’s money for themselves. they use a sensationalized approach of presenting the gospel. They do it cause it attracts visitors, followers and increases their incomes.
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1 Pet 5:2 KJV) Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
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(1 Pet 5:3 KJV) Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. The International Coalition of Apostles headed by C. Peter Wagner is a superficial, pretentious approach to the reality of real Apostleship and the related gifts of the Holy Spirit..

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If you let any of preachers alone tell you what is the Gospel truth and what you should believe you likely will end up going to hell, since all preachers are imperfect men, and all men tend to still lie as well and too often still for various reasons too.

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I serve Jesus and not mere man, and Jesus is always first for me. I thank God that while I as a sinner am still  totally helpless to be delivered from my sins here one earth, but Jesus died for them and forgave them when I admitted them, asked for his forgiveness. Should should we all, all pastors, included.
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The Latter Rain was a post-war movement within Pentecostal Christianity which remains for some PEOPLE STILL VERY controversial to this day. ( The problem often lies with the leaders, who did not live, practice, what they preach to others too. What is the Latter Rain teaching? Today a revival of the Latter Rain heresy that was rejected in 1950 by the  assembly of God denomination, It was wrong  that many of the Assembly Of God  Pentecostal churches were jealous, thus critical  of this Ministry to this day as well. Their rejection of it to me was unjustifiable still,and all of critiques firstly need  to be balanced by honesty..)) http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/the-assembly-of-god-pentecostals-vs-the-latter-rain-pentecostals/
A very lively church when it is led by the right, Godly leaders.. and a very bad church when the shepherds are bad.. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/healing-todd-bentley-florda-lakeland-revival/
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Many people write half truths, these half truths still do not make liars into honest men..
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So far nothing has caused me to change my views on the subject.
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For clarification in discussion of the Latter Rain a distinction should be made between: *The Latter Rain Revival (1947-1952) *The Latter Rain Movement (1952-1960s) *Those persons next influenced by the Latter Rain.

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The Latter Rain Movement had its beginnings in the years following World War II. It was contemporary with the evangelical awakening which was starting with Billy Graham at the forefront, as well as the Healing Revival with Oral Roberts, Jack Coe, and William Branham at the forefront. Although William Branham was never a part of the Latter Rain as such, he was revered by its leaders. It had in fact been a Branham meeting which triggered the start of the Latter Rain.
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Several Pentecostal leaders of a small orphanage outside of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, after visiting the meeting got a vision for a different dimension of Christianity and began to fast and pray in search of it. Later that year, revival events occurred. News quickly swept across Canada and the United States, influencing many Pentecostal believers.  (This explains why it is found in Western Canada.. where it competes directly with the Christian & Missionary Alliance Corporation too. The Western Canada Alliance Churches sadly are  known for  preaching Pentecostalism   but not practicing, living it now too. See the many posts about the bad Alliance. 
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Because of its grassroots and unstructured nature, history may never know the breadth of its influence. As the revival itself died down after a few years, those who had been changed by the doctrine formed various groups which came to become known as “The Latter Rain (Movement)”. The following list includes some representative leaders of various branches, both past and present.

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*George Warnock (who had been Ern Baxter’s secretary), wrote “The Feast of Tabernacles” which became very influential not only for its view of the feasts but for its approach to the Scriptures. One identifiable mark of those influenced by the Latter Rain is their spiritual hermeneutic. *George Hawtin and his brother Ern, were key in the early spread of the movement. They traveled widely, and as they traveled the spirit and influence of the Latter Rain caught on. *A. Earl Lee from southern California was one of the fathers of the movement in Southern California. He had previously been involved with Aimee Semple McPherson..
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Mainstream Leaders

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*Kevin Conner is a very influential Bible teacher who came out of the Latter Rain and who has taken the best of these new ideas and blended them with the more traditional hermeneutics. His approach has influenced such leading ministers as T.D. Jakes. Conner is in fact part of a larger movement known as MFI which represents perhaps the most theologically solid group to directly emerge from the Latter Rain. *David Schoch was a leader associated with this branch of the Latter Rain. The church he led is now known as “City At the Cross” in Long Beach, CA. They have a helpful article here [1] *Wade Taylor came out of the Latter Rain, and was mentor to Robin McMillan, pastor of the lead fellowship of Rick Joyner’s MorningStar Ministry, which itself is very reflective of a Latter Rain ideal. *Glenn Ewing and his son Robert Ewing from Waco, Texas. Among others, the Ewings trained Jim Laffoon, leading prophet for Every Nation.
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*John Robert Stevens and his movement “The Walk” are an example of a ministry which emerged from the Latter Rain but became cultish. Royal Cronquist was another well known leader in this group. Influential charismatic Francis Frangipane came out of Stevens’ ministry, leaving before it turned in a cult-like direction. *Sam Fife and his movement “The Move” are another example of a cultish movement which was associated with the Latter Rain *Bill Britton teaching about Jesus as a “sample” or “example” son is connected to the Manifested Sons of God Theology which was taken to theological extremes. *Maranatha Campus Ministries, an outreach to college and university campuses, was accused of being a cult because of its highly authoritarian structure. It dissolved in 1989, and many of its leaders regrouped later in the 1990s to form what is now Every Nation.
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Contemporary Figures

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*Bishop Bill Hamon from Santa Rosa Beach, Florida. Hamon has been very influential in the Charismatic movement, including being featured on the cover of Charisma Magazine. *Dr. Kelley Varner from South Africa has a teaching ministry which is Latter Rain based. *Charles Schmitt, pastor of the large Immannuel’s Church in Silver Spring, MD, was spent time in the Latter Rain.
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*Elim Bible Institute in New York was the center of much Latter Rain activity. *Portland Bible College, where Conner formerly taught, is another example of a Latter Rain influenced school. *Pincrest Bible School in upstate New York. Founded by Wade Taylor and Bill Britton *Destiny Image Publications, while founded long after the Latter Rain, prints sympathetic titles by Joyner, Hamon, Taylor and others.
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As the list above demonstrates, the movement itself should be distinguished from those whom it ultimately influenced. Some branches of the movement ultimately led to cult like groups, some parts of the movement remained orthodox and also true to Latter Rain ideal, and other parts of the movement moderated the doctrine and ultimately had positive effects on the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches at large.

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Historically, some of the most ardent critics of the Latter Rain and its offshoot theology, the Manifest Sons of God have come from within the Pentecostalism. ( BUT THAT IS WHERE THE DEVIL WORKS MOST OFTEN TOO)

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With time however, the Charismatic and Pentecostal movements, while rejecting the more extreme elements of the theology, have been greatly influenced by other aspects such as the “fivefold” ministry and the laying on of hands.

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More recently, it has been those from Fundamentalist circles who have been the most severe critics of the Latter Rain, and have use various loose connections to the movement to paint everyone associated with a negative brush.

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When its proponents brought the new doctrine into the Pentecostal Churches and in particular the Assemblies of God it nearly split the church. Leaders of the Assemblies of God were concerned that it glorified men among other things and pointed to the “ye are gods” as evidence of severe theological error. They were also concerned that the movement espoused a post-millennial rather than premillennial scenario of the “End Times.” In 1949 the Assemblies of God condemned the doctrine of the ‘Latter Rain Movement’ as heresy.( So what!)

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The Latter Rain brought in a new focus on the spiritual elements of Christianity including personal prophecy and typological interpretation of Scripture. The term “Latter Rain” stems from Bible passages as Jeremiah 3:3 and 5:2, Joel 2:23, Hosea 6:3, Zechariah 10:1, and James 5:7. The idea of a “Latter Rain” was not new to the movement, but in fact was present from the earliest days of Pentecostalism, who believed at the time that return of speaking in tongues and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit marked the “Latter Rain” of God’s Spirit, near the end of history.

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It is difficult to communicate the Latter Rain through reference to doctrine alone, because its most distinctive element is its spiritual atmosphere. Once one understands this basic point, it is easy to identify within the Pentecostal movement who has been impacted by the Latter Rain, and to what degree. Latter Rain proponents saw Pentecostalism as very dry in the post-war period, and in danger of slipping into a dry or mental formalism like many of their evangelical peers. When the Latter Rain hit the dryness was replaced with an almost hyper-spirituality, and the various doctrines lined up this basic idea.
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* The latter rain. The movement derives its name from its interpretation of Joel 2:23. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost had been the “former rain” that established the Church, but the current “move” of the Spirit was the “latter rain” that would bring the Church’s work to completion, and culminate in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, which was imminent. Although this doctrine in itself had been around since Parham and the early Pentecostals, the Latter Rain broke with the dispensationalism which had become entrenched in Pentecostalism. Whereas dispensationalism is a pessimistic premillennialism, the Latter Rain emphasized victory. This led to various expressions of victorious minded premillennialism and ultimately postmillennialism. Rather than just try and save a few souls before rise of the anti-Christ, the Latter Rain emphasized the Church as overcoming and victorious. This shift alone is extremely significant and can be seen behind the Word of Faith movement, as well as most branches of the Charismatic movement.
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* Christian Unity. A major theme of the Latter Rain was unity among the believers, in the church service, in the geographic region, and at large. They taught that God saw the church organized not into denominational camps, but along geographical lines. They expected that in the coming last days, the various Christian denominations would dissolve, and the true church would coalesce into citywide churches under the leadership of the newly-restored apostles and prophets. This theme was recurrent among the Kansas City Prophets of the 1980s.
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* Laying on of hands. Unlike mainstream Pentecostalism, which holds that the baptism of the Holy Spirit usually comes after prolonged “tarrying” or waiting for the Spirit, the Latter Rain movement taught that the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit can be imparted on one believer by another through the laying on of hands. This impartation was not given to the body at large, but to specifically selected or qualified leaders.
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* The fivefold ministry. The Latter Rain taught that of the five ministerial roles mentioned in Ephesians 4:11 (apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher), the foundational roles of apostle and prophet had been lost after the time of the first apostles, but God was restoring these ministries in the present day. This theme has continued to this day, and has been recently rebranded by C. Peter Wagner as the “New Apostolic Reformation”
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* The Manifest(ed) Sons of God. Some leaders of the Latter Rain movement taught that as the end of the age approached, a select group of “overcomers” would arise within the Church. These Manifest Sons of God would receive the “spiritual bodies” mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15. They would become immortal, and receive a number of divine gifts, including the ability to change their physical appearance, to speak any language, to teleport from place to place, and to perform divine healings and other miracles. They would complete the Great Commission, spreading the gospel throughout the world, and at last usher in the millennial reign of Christ.
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External links

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Books

*Pentecostal scholar Richard Riss wrote a master’s Thesis on the Latter Rain, which was repackaged as a book entitled “The Latter Rain” and is available from Honeycomb Visual Productions in Canada. This book is supportive of the movement. It is one of the few scholarly works available on the topic. *Reg Layzell, The Pastor’s Pen (Vancouver, British Columbia: Mission Publishing, 1965) *Dick Iverson. The Journey, A Lifetime of Prophetic Moments (Portland, OR: Bible Temple Publishing, 1995) *Stanley Frodsham “With Signs Following”
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PRAY HONESTLY ALWAYS  AND ASK GOD  FIRST TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH
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I am really grateful for my Pastor  Jesus Christ.

You have to be called directly, personally by God to be a pastor,. and God will next give you the love for the job, the people, he will God equip you for all of the tasks.. still sadly many Pastors still are not God called, but self chosen..

A pastor’s commitment next to his people includes first keeping his commitment to serve God firstly, not man or self.. A pastor admitted to me he did not have a full commitment to God.. I was shocked at his still corruption

It was a great shock to me when I had switched over to the Pentecostal faith from the Brethren, Baptist faith to see just as many bad and, crooked pastors there now too..

Pastors too, no matter to  what or to whom you attribute the sin in your life, you are still a sinner that is going to hell unless you overcome that sin by Jesus Christ

The BASIC issue about too many bad pastors even these days now  is not just about the Pentecostal PASTORS but the subject OF TOO MANY bad pastors we seem to have in most denominations still too and STILL why?

Even because many of these BAD people, bad pastors EVEN THE too often false critics are mostly still serving self, doing their own thing, looking up to mere man and not God.. and man’s help is useless for the most part in understanding spiritual things still too. They need to grow up spiritually as well. Are any of you, Pastors, elders, now claiming to be a better teacher, guide than the Holy Spirit himself?  so where is your evidence of being spirit filled, evidence of real  love too?

Where is the power of God that we see in the Prophets, in Christ and in the Apostles? And what are we doing that is now different in the Church from that I read of in the book of Acts in the Bible?

Follow the Anointing Luke 4:14 “And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.” Over the years many have questioned the lack of power in their Baptism of the Holy Spirit as opposed to what they read in Scripture and the New Testament and here we have the answer that has been in plain sight for all to see all along and in quite concrete terms –

Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

Sadly too often the pastors tend to be legalists sadly.. control freaks, abusive persons due to a false pride, and their religion rather too often a mere cultural movement, it seems..

I had to call the police against a crooked AOG pastor who was abusing me, stealing money, stealing from his flock in my witness too. I am known for and I like to deal with the whole truth too..

Pastors too often still do falsely think they are above the law and yet many of them have, do threaten to sue you when you get too close and personal about them. They want it both ways, they cannot though. They the evangelical pastors firstly do need to get real, to act like real Christians firstly now and work for God rather then self. The bad pastors are trying to get falsely their rewards on earth it seems and not in heaven.. Do what I say and not what I do is what they also too often do still preach. Pastors have to firstly be a good example of what they preach to others as well..

So the other real question as to whether apostles, prophets, pastor teachers exists today as in the Time of Jesus Christ first needs to be superseded by the question as to whether all true Christians are now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, Anointed, Greek word , Christos meaning one who shows evidence of the holy Spirit.. and the answer is yes… all true Christians are evidentiary now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, and if the other people cannot see this you certainly are not a true Christian.

Over 30 percent of evangelical church persons, pastors included practise div0rce, counsel  divorce and I can also assure you these too often sex manics  they are also guilty of many, many other sinful acts in reality too.

Generally these days it is the wife who wrongfully files for divorce,and  before that it used to be the men.  These days the too often dirty lawyers who make blood money from divorce, are wolves in sheep clothing now picturing them slves and  the spouse to the courts, as good persons, decent, honest, relaible, falsely claiming her now to be a totally good , honest person, and not another typical  liar too.
 
The lawyers who tend to be too often liars themselves they like to present the female spouse before the Queen’s courts, before the supposedly reputable judge, who in my witness, experiences actual too often is also now a liar, pretender himself, a person  who does not get off the bench cause he is too lazy to ascertain the truth of the facts being presented to him or her.
 
The lawyers like to present the wife as a decent, respected, good, moral person who now has provided faithfully  for her husband, she did not, does not abuse any them not even her bad  husband, she does not cheat, lie or steal now as well.
 
The still mostly  liars like to present her as an a good person, whereas more likely in reality  she also is another demon. In fact men and women tend to be equal sinners, before God and man. In fact the same spouse she likely has slandered, lied, committed adultery, even stole from her spouse and now she will keep on lying, perjuring herself hoping next to get a good alimony support from her spouse.
 
Many a person  when they see these people divorcing they really tend next not to recognize them and their behavior, for it clearly is different from what they had known before, were used too in fact.  
 
All of a sudden clearly new now  openly monsters here have arisen.  In reality  the wife is not the mostly   innocent, the sole injured party and the husband is not the sole bad guy, villain too.
 
All of these mostly immoral,  lying now people, bad pastors, bad spouses, bad laywers, bad judges tend to first need decent, real, pastoral counseling themselves.
 
  Christian Lies, Divorce And/or  Christian Divorce  Remarriage, (as well as adultery, fornication , Alcoholism, drugs, smoking, gays)  In the Christian Church are ALL still unacceptable.

 

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Most people do not realize that blog owners may get statistics that reveal some of the searches on my interent sites as well. Here are a few I saw just this week
 
– are the Palin children missing school during travel.. of course, but they will make up  for it..
-what does it mean when God calls you? Generally it means God has clearly , specially  ordained now you to be an Apostle- Missionary, Prophet, – elders, teacher- pastors evangelist, etc.,
-Is Canada’s prime Minister   Steven Harper a pretender professing Christian or a real one? unlikely he is a real Christian.
-what does it mean to hateth one’s life? means to be God centered verses self centered
-what does it mean to follow Christ? it means to daily let the voice of the holy spirit lead you in your life.
-and those with Jesus Christ now  are they also called chosen ? yes, they have been chosen before the foundations of the world to be with him in heaven..
-am in need of a born again mentor to stay a Christian? no! you need the read the bible, pray and to let the Holy sprit Guide you
-what does glory mean in the bible mean ? the honor of God
what functions do elders play in a church? depends on what church now. in some churches they supervise the pastor in others they are falsely slave of the pastor
– what about the the Bible reference to to the laying on of hands.. impartation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is it valid for today.. of course.. Jesus has not changed..
– is a head deacon Biblical? not really, it is men’s preferences to have a head.. Christ is the sole necessary head..
– was the FGBMFI exposed for corruptions, falsehoods? sounds more like one sided prorpganda
– are there a unchristian pastor and what to do about it? Pray for them and fire them..
– Does Jesus give  to non Christians, hears their prayers too? he is not obligated to do so..
– what about LDS Mormon and their supposed authority structure is it true or false? yes the whole system is false
– are some persons now also overly hypocritical,” “insensitive,” and “judgmental”, of course.
– Can a Christian marry a  non christian.. no! and you should Marry the person God has chosen for you.
-a Christian point what true religion really means, is? practicing Christianity
-what does disciple means “KJV”? a True Christian
-divorce rate amongst Pentecostals, Christians? 30 percent and it is all unacceptable
– is Stephen Harper  and his church now evangelical Pentecostals? No.. they are watered down supposed Christians
– difference Pentecostal verses alliance.. often significant.. alliance is a bad group..
– listen for the voice of the lord means what? listening to the real voice of the Holy Sprit.
– what does the word Levi ,scribe, Pharisee, hireling,  Pastor, elders, apostle, prophet, teacher mean? Depends on who you ask it seems.
– worship longing for god means what? putting God first and praising him
– why tax-exempt donations are meaningless? you are giving with bad motives
– what does the word Sarah mean in the bible–  read it in the bible
– following Jesus Christ means what? following after his Holy spirit, the Bible..
 – what about the Calgary Christian centre? It had bad pastors, is closed now
– Phillip the deacon in the bible.. a good one too
– what does the word beloved mean? Loved by God, others
– What about conservative alcoholics? bad persons..
– what about diseases from shit? they can kill you..
– what is the church structure for the Christian missionary alliance? false, corporation
– what about the Toronto airport  fellowship Church pastors? seem to like to lie, slander, gossip, live high on the hog
 -Christian tithe distribution? 1/7 to be given to the poor people, the rest to the Christian families, and yourself as well..  it differs from Muslim tithing and fasting too. 
– is Sarah Palin heath candy bar heir? more rather the heir of God’s eternal life.
– what does the number 1, 7, 3,  19 really means?  12+7
– what do you do  about bad elders? Fire them
– Is dispensational teachings, false, a bad thing? really bad..
– Is Sarah Palin a real Christian? So far yes.
– What about Bell Sympatico? a really bad corporation
– Are most Canadians happy about having another election so soon? Generally not, it is costly too.
 
I also read some really absurd comments, searches showing that persons  on the net even  looking to spread both their hatred and ignorance..

Actually had most people actually read the Bible daily they would know most of the answers already but I have generally covered these topics on my various sites.
 
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While there is not one person on earth that does not fall short of the glory of God, not one of us measure up in the sight of God.

 
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26)
 
The very first verse in the Bible tells us that God created the heaven and the earth.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)
 
The first three verses in the Gospel of John tell us that the Word made ALL things,  including heaven and earth.
 
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3) 

 

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. (John 1:14-17) 
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; (Isaiah 44:24)
Jesus Christ is the creator, the sole eternal God, the Father, the Word, the Son and

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:10-14)

When the Lord Jesus Christ began his ministry he was rejected by the majority of the Jewish people, and that is what “his own received him not” is speaking about. But the scriptures also tell us that as many who DID receive him (Jesus), received the power to become the sons (children) of God. So once again we see that the determining factor as to what makes a person a “child of God,” is what that same person does with Jesus Christ.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

Those words still stand true today. There is no other way to heaven, and there is no other name outside the name of Jesus Christ to be saved.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. (Romans 5:8-9)

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:23-24)

Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:10-12)

And you hath he quickened (made ALIVE), who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. (Ephesians 2:1-3)

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:23)

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

While there is not one person on earth that does not fall short of the glory of God, not one of us measure up in the sight of God.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. (Romans 5:8-9)

Any person who dies without Jesus Christ will die in their sins,

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24)

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Proverbs 1:7)

The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. (Proverbs 8:13)

In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge. (Proverbs 14:26)

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:27-28)

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. (John 8:42-47)

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (1 John 5:9-12)

  And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. (Mark 1:15)

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:15-16)

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (Gentile). (Romans 1:16)
 
For a lot of people their too often false version of mere Christianity seems to consists of Having a blog with the word Christian and their name on it, or  going to church 3 times a years and  for others it is going Sunday morning.. but not to any of the prayer meetings, or the Sunday night services..  and that is all it is it  seems.. then others seem to wonder why these people have gone astray are so much in error  now too.
 
But my own version of Christianity is significantly deeper, and broader as well.
 
Firstly I accepted the personally need to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and personal savior from all of our sins as well nut I also believe in the need of Sanctification, the Baptism of the Holy spirit where one next is equipped  for God’s service, God will and plan for their life, including charismatic’s gifts now too.
 
I also do believe in the need of all Christians to have daily devotionals, Bible and prayer time with God preferably  both morning and evenings, starting and ending the day with God, and where God can personally speak to us,   teach, direct us some more. Just as I believe in daily repentances, confesions to God the admission of our sins now too
 
I belief when the bible says the just shall live by  faith now that includes each and every person, they are to trust God to supply their needs, wants, desires, to live their life based on God words, his instructions to them, not based on falsely following after other men or women, or one’ supposed personal inclination, supposed talents.
 
I rightfully believe the same equal rights now of all persons, of all ages too, and in voluntarily, unenforceable, mutal submissions to any Christian persons, pastors, elders.. and I do not believe in any enslavements. hierarchy pecking order etc.,,
 
I also do believe in the personal need of appropriate evangelism, our being able to share, to explain , to teach to others the biblical the reasons for one’s Christian based faith, beliefs.
 
I belief also in the need of all Christians in both social actions and political action now too. We all do need to be really concerned, involved  personally and as a church in  helping the poor and needy people starting in our own church, neighborhood  too. I clearly believe in guiding, directing, instructing the political leaders to make the right choices, decisions, laws now too and insuring that we elect the best persons available for the job, not necessity Christian ones even.
 
Having a good time, being self centered, selfish, acquiring all the material goods, pleasure one can have is certainly not what being a Christian now is all about too.
 
Yes I also believe that Christians can only marry another really Christians and that Christians cannot divorce, while they temporarily can get a separation, for proper Biblical counseling mostly.
 
I rightfully and clearly now still do not believe in having the wife as the boss, head of the home, her having all of the say, the sole run of all things now too.
 
I also do not believe in taking any ostrich approach when we personally eye unacceptable wrong doings towards ourselves and others, and I do believe in asking all of the bad persons to repent, to even next openly expose, rebuke them now even too for their wrong doings and repentances, even if they think they are somebody, a pastor , cop or politician , professional included.. God himself does not accept personal or human rights abuses, sins, unrepentances  quitely.
 
Nor do I  I automatically assume that all cops, lawyer’s judges are decent, honest, the real purveyors of justices too.
 
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 
Jesus said by their own fruits you can tell what a tree is like for a good tree brings forth good fruit, and a bad tree bad fruit..
 
nope I did not say that Jesus now did.
 
So I have a right to be a fruit inspector and what must I think when I myself have seen see many bad fruits for a church, a denomination..
That Jesus will remove their candlestick too?
 
(Mat 18:17 KJV) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.
 
(Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(Eph 5:24 KJV) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(Eph 5:27 KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
 
(Rev 2:4 KJV) Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
 
(Rev 2:5 KJV) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
 
(Rev 3:1 KJV) And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
 
All Dispensationalists,  Plymouth brethren. Messianic Jews    who think they can accept Christ and still continue to even live in sin with no negative real personal consequences next too because they have intellectually now accepted who Jesus Christ is can  go and lie to someone else for rightfully  I am not stupid to believe anything they say ..       for I have learned decades and decades ago that the dispensationalists, Plymouth Brethren , even many messianic Jews are deceitful..    While these Brethren even say they Believe the Bible is the Word of God, they too  clearly do have this unholy, desperate and complicated need to reinterpret almost every  passages of the Bible suitable to their own liking. “A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him  that understandeth” (Proverbs 14:6)
(Pro 2:10) When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;
(Pro 2:11) Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:
(Pro 2:12) To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things;
(Pro 2:13) Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness;
(Pro 2:14) Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;
(Pro 2:15) Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths:
 

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Now as you all do know there are always good and bad churches too, the good and bad Pentecostal churches now as well..

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“Oneness Pentecostalism” is a descriptive name for an anti-trinitarian religious movement that developed over the course of the twentieth century . As a movement, it has existed in various denominational forms and organizations, with its largest current manifestation being the United Pentecostal Church International. In most of its major forms it has been distinguished by: *A commitment to baptism in Jesus’ name rather than in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (including re-baptism for those baptized supposedly wrong the first time);  An accompanying rejection of the traditional Trinitarian doctrine held by the historic Christian churches;  A consequent rejection of the pre-existence of the Son of God. – Their own Personal Bible ignorance and too much listening to mere men has led them astray.
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 A very lively good church is led by the Holy Spirit and the  right, godly leaders.. and  in a very bad church   the shepherds are bad.. led mostly by the devil and self.  And believe me when I say most shepherds are bad still.
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One other way you can spot a cult, a bad church, a bad denomination is their false attempts of claiming to be exclusive, they thus are composed of mainly a certain segment of society generally.. poor people with nothing to give  generally excluded too.
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Bad people ALSO  by their own free will choose to do bad things cause it TOO  OFTEN suits their bad moral values too.
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The Apostolics, Jesus Only or United , Oneness Pentecostals Are Severely Flawed
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The Apostolics Pentecostals are non-trinitarian, embrace baptismal regeneration and   Their confused belief that Jesus is also the Father (and the Holy Spirit) is shocking. Without question, they do NOT understand the plan of salvation or the salvation of the soul, as declared in the Bible. It is to your advantage to avoid the Apostolics.
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All through the Scriptures we find evidence that Jesus is not the Father, but is deity (God by nature) like the Father. With all of this evidence about plurality between the Father and Son, how Apostolics have been deceived about this is alarming to say the least. It seems once again that a creed or doctrinal confession has been the basis for one’s personal belief rather than the Holy Scriptures. The truth is: Jesus is not the person of the Father, but he is deity like the Father. May the Apostolics be helped.
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The Apostolics   Pentecostals FALSELY DENY THE  Trinity
The Trinity is a very important Biblical doctrine for all to know about because there are a lot of groups that deny the Trinity. The Apostolics are just one;
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So  yes there are also too many false professing Christians churches who in reality do not listen, hear from Jesus but mainly from mere men, and they are doing their own thing, generally a cultural thing..

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Dispensationalists and Christian Zionists  are not the only cultish professing Christians groups as  there are others now as well.. As the Jesus Name Apostolic Holiness Church,  Oneness Pentecostal Christianity IS STILL A CULT, IT IS NOT A TRUE PENTECOSTAL CHURCH.. but there are true, GOOD  Pentecostal Christian  churches still.
Pentecostal  Christians generally do differ from many other Christian organizations by their belief in the existence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, miracles, gifts of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues today.
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NOW  WHILE MANY PERSONS SEEM TO HOP FROM CHURCH TO CHURCH LOOKING FOR THAT FULFILLMENT TO A SPECIFIC NEED, MANY PERSONS ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH OTHER CHURCHES AND THEIR DIFFERENCES..AND CAN BE STUCK IN A RUT.. ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE BAPTIST, CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY ALLIANCE  AND THE APOSTOLIC,  ONENESS PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES. I KNOW I HAVE BEEN TO THEM AS WELL

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A DEFINITE  fool had in a church boasted to me he never missed a church service for 5 years,  in an evangelical church of all things, but he  also thought that all religions were the same.. what just like all food is the same and good to eat?… dream on… imagine this he had attended church for 5 years but he still could not hear Jesus talking to him yet… because Jesus  was not his Lord yet..  and cause he clearly had bad pastors who did not tell the whole truth, preach the full gospel to him, how absurd. Well I am not that kind of a pastor. Thank God.

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Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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Yes there is only one God..   
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But the Oneness teachers  who like the dispensationalists,  are very new to the Christian religious scene as well, say, falsely that Biblical passages indicate that the Son was only a thought or plan in the Father’s mind when the Father (Jesus’ divine nature) created all things. Rather the Son is biblically (exegetically) presented as the Creator of all things Himself.
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It is always possible for anyone  to identify the right God and yet have some wrong, unbiblical ideas about him. Where is the line between worshiping the wrong God, and worshiping the right God the wrong way? Many people even worship a false Jesus undeniably as well and preach a false Gospel, not the full Gospel of Jesus Christ..
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Now anyone who really knows the Bible would not be so much in error to support now also any of the Oneness Pentecostals.. Rather these more  Oneness teachers do firstly show to all as to how little they do personally know of the Bible, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit now too..
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That the Son was the Creator clearly disproves firstly the Oneness position.  If the Son did not eternally exist with the Father as a distinct Person why is it that the “Son” can say, “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had [eichon, or “shared”] with You before the  world  was” (emphasis added)?  How did the Son have (literally, actively possessed) glory with (para) the Father before time if the Son did not exist before Bethlehem?.
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” There are two ways to deny the doctrine of the Trinity.  One way is to reject the divinity of Christ, assigning him the rank of a created being.  This is the error of subordinationism.  Subordinationists come in many varieties, ranging from those who say that Christ is simply a human being (ebionites, Socinians, modern liberal theology) to those who say that Christ is the greatest creature, the first thing made by God, far higher than human or even angelic creation (Arians, Jehovah’s Witnesses).  We might call this type of anti-trinitarianism the left-wing denial of the Trinity, because rejection of the divinity of Christ is so typical of modern liberal theology, and requires its adherents to cast off a major element of Christian faith. But there is another way to deny Trinitarian orthodoxy, and that is to consider Jesus to be so utterly and exhaustively divine that he is all there is to God.  In this case, Jesus Christ’s divinity is recognized, but his relationship to the Father and his dependence on the Spirit are not acknowledged to be anything but his relationship to his own divinity.  So confident are these teachers that Jesus is God, that they begin to think of him as the one unipersonal God taking on human nature.  This view immediately raises the question of who Jesus Christ the Son of God is talking to when he prays to his Father.  Since Jesus is all there is of God, he must be talking in prayer to himself somehow, and it must be himself in some other mode of being.  Like subordinationism, this heresy comes in many varieties, but the family name that comprehends all its varieties is modalism.”   and in some ways subordinationists (Jehovah’s Witnesses or liberal theologians) are in fact twice as bad as modalists (Oneness Pentecostals). Oneness Pentecostalism,   has grasped its original bad idea more tightly as the years went by, and has allowed its commitment to push it into a major revision of the Christian doctrines of God and Christ.  The origin of Oneness Pentecostalism is relevant because it shows that in a flash of revelation in 1914 a divisive new idea was seized on, and that idea (Jesus-only baptism) was cultivated into a full-scale revision of the Christian doctrine of God.  This kind of radicalism is always a sign of a lack of balance and perspective. –  http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scriptorium/2011/09/oneness-pentecostalism-an-analysis/#sthash.oJZnchY2.dpuf
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An evangelist   R. E. McAlister in 1913 preached on the discrepancy between the command in Matthew 28:19 to “baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,” and the Apostles’ reported practice of baptizing in the name of the Lord, or of Jesus (Acts 2:38 et al). Frank J. Ewart began pondering McAlister’s sermon and he falsely discovered a way to harmonize the two baptisms: the name “Jesus” must be the actual name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the one name into which we are to be baptized. “ If “Jesus” is the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit, then Jesus is himself the exhaustive totality of what had mistakenly been called the Trinity. The ancient Christian doctrine of God would have to be modified drastically to fit the new “apostolic” understanding of baptism. “ The devil there took a good religious movement and sent it into a major tailspin in the wrong direction now too.The new practice  of re-baptism to achieve theological correctness and the new doctrine of the anti-trinitarian Jesus-centered modalism  forced the  fledgling Assemblies of God movement  and in October 1916, Oneness teachers were rightfully expelled 
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When the Apostle  Paul undeniably says that “God sent forth his Son in the fullness of time,” trinitarians infer rightfully this to mean  that God must have had a Son to send forth when the time came.  But the Oneness Pentecostals   interpret this biblical language to mean that when the time came, God put into action his plan to begin a new mode of existence among men, which he would call “the Son.” Wow!! what a big Biblical  error.. This contradicts John 1: 1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2    The same was in the beginning with God. 3    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4    In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5    And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
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and this  all substantiates “the eternal pre-existence of the Son”. Pre-existence is also the best way to make sense of the famous passage in Philippians 2, in which Paul exhorts his readers to “have this mind in yourself which was also in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, did not grasp equality with Him, but made Himself nothing, taking on the form of a servant…”  Similarly, in Galatians Paul says that “when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his son, born of a woman.” True CHristians do say “We believe that there is one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.”
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Now  reading  the Gospel of John again you can certainly also notice that Jesus Christ is practically totally obsessed  his holy Father. He prays to the Father, teaches about the Father, explains the love he and the Father have for each other, claims to be sent by the Father, looks forward to returning to the Father, asks the Father to glorify him with the glory they shared before the foundation of the world, etc. It is  here very clear that Jesus stands personally before another existing divine person, the Father and he Jesus  is not talking solely to himself.
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Yes Oneness Pentecostalism” is a descriptive name for an anti-trinitarian religious movement that developed over the course of the twentieth century.  it has existed in various denominational forms and organizations, with its largest current manifestation being the United Pentecostal Church International. In most of its major forms it has been distinguished by:
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*A commitment to baptism in Jesus’ name rather than in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (including re-baptism for those baptized wrong the first time);
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*An accompanying rejection of the traditional Trinitarian doctrine held by the historic Christian churches;
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*A consequent rejection of the pre-existence of the Son of God.
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Sometimes (but not always) these churches are also characterized by:
*Legalism that manifests itself in making salvation depend on water baptism using the Jesus-only formula, baptism in the Holy Spirit with accompanying signs of tongues-speaking, and maintaining specific standards of conduct.
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*Splitting Jesus Christ into a human person and a separate divine person, so that the one can pray to the other as “the Father.” (This is a form of the Nestorian heresy);
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This again  the greatest weakness of the Oneness position: For if the Son created, then, He eternally existed with the Father.
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“There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three separate manifestations: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” is a major error called Modalism, which  is a heresy that teaches the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit do not simultaneously exist as distinct persons   Rather, God at some times and places is the Father, at some times the Son, and other times the Holy Spirit. Trinity is  defined : “There is one God in whom there are three eternal, simultaneous persons — the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.  All three are the one God, coeternal, coequal, etc.,   The keywords here are “three manifestations.” 
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If Oneness doctrine (or Modalism) is the so-called doctrine of the apostles, then, why was it universally condemned as *heretical* by the early church Fathers (some of who were disciples of the original apostles) and condemned by all the important church councils and creeds?
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Modalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God.  It is a denial of the Trinity. Modalism states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes, or forms.  Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times.  At the incarnation, the mode was the Son and after Jesus’ ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit.  These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous.  In other words, this view states that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit never all exist at the same time, only one after another.  Modalism denies the distinctiveness of the three persons in the Trinity even though it retains the divinity of Christ. Present day groups that hold to forms of this error are the United Pentecostal and United Apostolic Churches.  They deny the Trinity, teach that the name of God is Jesus, and require baptism for salvation.  These modalist churches often accuse Trinitarians of teaching three gods.  This is not what the Trinity is.  The correct teaching of the Trinity is one God in three eternal coexistent persons:  The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.; and if they are in error on this essential Christian error I can assure you there are many many other errors in their lives too.
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United Pentecostal and United Apostolic Churches falsely do deny Trinitarian orthodoxy, as they do consider Jesus to be so utterly and exhaustively divine that he is all there is now to God’s nature. In this case, Jesus Christ’s divinity is recognized, but his relationship to the Father and his dependence on the Spirit are not acknowledged to be anything but his relationship to his own divinity. Clearly not what the Bible demonstrates. They the Oneness Pentecostals falsely begin to think of him Jesus-God as the one unipersonal God taking on human nature. This view immediately raises the question of who Jesus Christ the Son of God is talking to when he prays to his Father. Since Jesus is all there is of God, he must be talking in prayer to himself somehow, and anyway it must be himself in some other mode of being. They are Unorthodox as they not only do do deny the Trinity. but they  do Baptize  in the name of the Lord Jesus rather than in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. and are legalistic, and do not preach the full, true gospel.; Deny justification by faith alone by stating that baptism is also required for salvation or that Baptism is necessary for salvation. Baptism must be administered by an ordained Oneness minister to be valid. They also do lie when they say that Only Oneness people will go to heaven, if you have not met THEIR PARTICULAR CULT’S requirements for salvation then you’re going to go to hell. They clearly are also representatives of the classic cult mind control. Even here a false religion is among Satan’s oldest traps and cults of Christianity too. They’ve believed another gospel and have invented another Jesus and they seek after converts in order to make them twice the sons of hell that they are themselves.
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If Jesus is the Father, why is there not a single passage that states this in the NT or the OT? The fact is,  Jesus is explicitly referred to as “the Son” over 200 times in the NT–never as Father or Holy Spirit.  In the NT, Jesus refers to the Father over 200 times as someone else.  The truth is that the New Testament itself teaches over and over that Jesus is the Son of God and Son of man, but He is NEVER ONCE called the Father.
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Further, the Father and Jesus are mentioned in the same verse over 50 times. Further, 179 times, Jesus refers to the Father as “the Father,” “my Father,” or “your Father” in the Gospels as distinct from himself, at no time does he refer to “my Son” or anything of the sort as distinct from himself! Forty times in John’s Gospel, Jesus refers to himself as “sent by the Father,” but never does he refer to himself as the Father who sent the Son;
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It is true that we are so committed to the deity of Christ (rightly so!) that while we can easily see how this doctrine could be under-emphasized, By the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses for example., it may be  hard for some of us to imagine how it would be possible also to over-emphasize it. Yet over-emphasizing or misunderstanding Christ’s deity is exactly what Oneness Pentecostals have falsely done. The  Oneness theology also  falsely denies Jesus Christ’s eternal existence
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If anyone had  believed in the Trinity he should use words like “simultaneous,” “coeternal,” or “coequal” when referring to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit’s relationship to one another.;
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But also now God is no longer just a Spirit.. as you know he took on a Body.. your spirit God is now Jesus Christ in the flesh.. Jesus who is God now has a visible body.. that he ascended to heaven with as well.. Jesus’s real  Body is  all part of the trinity. Trinity is a valid  biblical doctrine and you would know this if you do  know of the Bible, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit now too..
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And  John 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.  27 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.  28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.;
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Who is Steve Winter?

“Steve Winter is a defrocked pastor (apparently by the same man who ordained him – Marvin Arnold) and the operator of a system known as “PRIME.ORG”. He lives in Durham, NC, and is also a re-seller of computer equipment1. At one point, he had begun to re-sell internet services (presumably from PSI), though that ISP TOS’d him (see below).  He continues to list internet access on his web page, so he is likely reselling from or through his current provider.   Mr. Winter claims to be a Reverend representing “Jesus Name Apostolic Holiness Church, Inc.” He operates a Web page ( http://www.prime.org ) which describes his particular doctrinal distinctive. He claims the page is a ministry of the a fore mentioned church. ” http://users.rcn.com/sadams.enteract/winfaq.html   http://adamsemail.net/winter/winfaq.html

Oneness Pentecostalism is a movement of Pentecostal Christianity that believes in the atoning death of Jesus Christ, His resurrection, His soon return, and the inerrancy of the Word of God as contained in the Bible, but differs from mainstream Pentecostalism by following the doctrine of Oneness. Oneness Pentecostalism teaches a literal interpretation of the biblical teaching of salvation with emphasis on the teaching of Jesus Christ & His Apostles, citing “John 3:1-12&”Acts 2:38 experience” as necessary for salvation and places special emphasis on the direct personal experience of God through the baptism of the Holy Spirit, as shown in the Biblical account of the Day of Pentecost. It teaches that personal conversion is to be followed by holy living and exhibiting the fruit of the SpiritGalatians 5:22.Although both Oneness and Trinitarian denominations acknowledge the God of the Bible as the only God in existence, and that Jesus was born, died, and resurrected, Oneness doctrine differs from mainstream Christian denominations in that the traditional concept of the Trinity is rejected as an inadequate and inaccurate description of God. According to the United Pentecostal Church International, the largest Oneness Pentecostal body in the United States, Oneness Pentecostals identify Jesus essentially as the human manifestation of God (Jehovah), i.e. God incarnate. [1].Citing 1Timothy 2:5, the Oneness doctrine affirms that God is indivisibly one, and sees the biblical distinction between God the Father and the man Jesus, as being a proper, observable father-son distinction, except between an incorporeal, transcendent, eternal God as Father, and a human, begotten man as Son, in whom God manifested Himself for the purpose of salvation. Oneness doctrine affirms the full deity of Jesus, by holding that God incarnate manifested Himself to humanity in the man Jesus. It refutes the Trinitarian proposal that the one, true God is comprised of three co-divine, co-equal, co-eternal, co-powerful persons. In the sense that the one God and one man of 1Timothy 2:5 co-exist simultaneously, they teach that Jesus exists simultaneously both as man Jesus and as God (God the Father an invisible, transcendent, Spirit) inseparably united (see John 10:30) as the Son of God. Citing John 4:24 (God is a Spirit), Oneness doctrine uses the terms God the Father and Holy Spirit as references to the same one God, who is Spirit. It affirms that the Holy Spirit and God the Father are one in the same Godhead, but only as separate manifestations or relationships of the one person or being that is God.”Oneness”, “Apostolic” and “Jesus’ Name” are adherents’ preferred self-designations.[1].Oneness Pentecostals have also been identified as “Holy Rollers” for their lively style of worship, which can include running church aisles, known as victory marches, as well as jumping, dancing, shouting, and clapping. This label is generally used as a negative term by critics. The church services are also punctuated at times with acts of speaking in tongues (glossolalia), interpretations of tongues, prophetical messages, and the laying of hands for the purposes of healing. These events can happen spontaneously during normal service with no forewarning or direct guidance by the leader of the service, or more often at massive altar calls where the entire congregation is encouraged to come and pray together for various purposes at the altar.Oneness Pentecostals commonly refer to all saved Christians as saints and often refer to the men as brothers and the women as sisters, often as a title (i.e. Bro. Smith or Sis. Henderson),in their normal day-to-day speech both in and outside of church. While the UPCI, PAW, and other Oneness Pentecostal churches do allow women to serve as pastors and evangelize, some Oneness Pentecostals hold the belief that women ministers are unscriptural. Ministers at all levels are allowed to marry and have children. Homosexual marriages are forbidden under all circumstances.

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The so-called Apostolic churches, also called “United Pentecostal” churches (not to be confused with other Pentecostal churches) together with their independent church break-offs form the cult known as “Jesus Only”.  This “Jesus Only Movement”, which is in fact not of Jesus, has been making its move to infiltrate and lead astray and away the flocks of other churches with a false spirit renewal, legalistic teaching and a call to pseudo-holiness. 
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One of the most subtle forms of doctrinal deviation ever to infiltrate the Christian Church was known as Sabellianism (named after Sabellius, a Latin theologian of the third century). Sabellius taught that God was one Person, not three, and that He appeared in “modes” or “manifestations” – as the Father, as the Son, or as the Holy Spirit. For Sabelluis, however, the Father alone was truly God, the Son and the Spirit being repetitions of Himself in other “modes” or “manifestations.” Sabellius was condemned for his views, his modalistic theology refuted, and the heresy that he spawned was rejected by the early Christian Church.http://biblefacts.org/cult/oneness.html

Oneness Pentecostalism

Official Names and Membership (estimates):

Apostolic Overcoming Holy Church of God (AOHCG)-13,000; Assemblies of the Lord Jesus, Inc. (ALJI)-50,000; Bible Way Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ World Wide, Inc. (Bible Way)-250,000; Church of Our Lord Jesus of the Apostolic Faith (COLJF)-30,000; Pentecostal Assemblies of the World (PAW)-1,000,000 reported; Pentecostal Church of Apostolic Faith (PCAF)-25,000; United Church of Jesus Christ (Apostolic) (UCJC-A)-100,000; United Pentecostal Church International (UPCI)-500,000 (1.5 million worldwide)

Other Designations: “Jesus Only” churches; “Apostolic Pentecostals”; The “Oneness Movement”; The “Jesus Name” Movement

Key Publications:

Pentecostal Herald (UPCI), The Global Witness (UPCI), The Bible Way News Voice (Bible Way), The People’s Mouthpiece (AOHCG), The Contender for the Faith (COLJF), Christian Outlook (PAW)

Educational Institutions:

AOHCG: Berean Christian Bible College-Birmingham, Ala. PAW: Aenon Bible School-Indianapolis, Ind. UCJC: Institute of Biblical Studies-Baltimore, Md. UPCI: Apostolic Bible Institute-St. Paul, Minn. Apostolic Missionary Institute-Oshawa, Ont. Christian Life College-Stockton, Calif. Indiana Bible College-Seymour, Ind. Texas Bible College-Houston, Texas

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Oneness Pentecostals of all branches affirm the authority of the Bible for doctrine. Many, however, utilize only the King James Version to proof text their unique doctrines. In addition, many Oneness advocates rely on the unbiblical revelations received by various Oneness leaders whom they regard as divinely inspired or anointed interpreters of the Bible. For example, many in UPCI consider the writings of Frank Ewart and John G. Scheppe as authoritative.

The Oneness Pentecostal view of God is similar to the ancient heresy of Modalism. Modalism is the belief that one God existed in time in three distinct modes of being: first as the Father in heaven; second, bodily as the Son on earth; and finally as the Holy Spirit.

The Bible indeed teaches the existence of only one God (Deut. 6:4). Nonetheless, historic Christianity maintains that the doctrine of the Trinity (or tri-unity of God) is taught in Scripture. The Bible teaches that the one God exists eternally in three separate and distinct Persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Colossians 2:9 does not teach that the totality of the Godhead was in the body of Jesus, but rather that Jesus embodied the totality of the divine nature and God is totally revealed in Him. If the Father and the Son are the same person, then the Oneness teachers have a difficult job explaining how the Father and the Son can love each other (See Matt. 3:17; 17:5; John 3:35; 5:20; 2 Pet. 1:17), talk to each other (see John 11:41-42; 12:28; 17:1-26), and know each other (see Matt. 11:27; Luke 10:22; John 7:29).

Matthew 28:19 clearly reflects the trinitarian concept that the “name” (authority and characteristics) of the one God is incorporated in the three Persons of the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (see 1 Cor. 8:6; 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 1:21-22; 13:14; 1 Pet. 1:2). (See the following verses affirming the personality and deity of the Holy Spirit: Luke 12:12; John 15:26; Acts 5:3-10; 13:2-4; 1 Cor. 12:11; Eph. 4:30; Heb. 3:7.)

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Although God alone is the Judge, this does not mean that only God judges
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What Are the Restrictions on Judging?
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Although Scripture shows that God expects, equips, and commands man to judge, there are stipulations that govern this decree.
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We must not be hypocrites when judging others. God states that when we judge others for committing sins that we partake in, we are condemning ourselves. (Matthew 7:1-5; Luke 6:37-42; Romans 2:1-5; Romans 2:20-23) This is clearly depicted in God’s judgement of David for the killing of Uriah. The prophet Nathan approached David for judgement regarding a story of a rich man that had stolen from a poor man. Yet, after David pronounces his judgement, Nathan’s words were”Thou art the man…” (II Samuel 12:1-7) This is what God is warning us. We will be measured by the same yardstick with which we measure others.
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We are also told not to judge according to appearances or by the flesh (John 7:24; John 8:15; James 2:1-4). This means that sound judgement cannot be based on what we see, hear, or think. Since God’s thoughts and ways are are higher than ours, He is not bound by our perceptions, opinions, or prejudices. This again is a confirmation that God alone is The Judge. Our judgements must therefore be based in His word in order for them to be true.
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We are not to judge others regarding legalistic adherence to ordinances such as holyday (holiday) observances and what to eat or drink, for such are only matters of faith (Romans 14:1-23; I Corinthians 8:7-13; I Corinthians 10:28-33; Colossians 2:16-23). Scripture states that in Christ we have liberty which frees us from the law of sin and death (Luke 4:18; Romans 8:21; I Corinthians 10:29; II Corinthians 3:17; Galatians 2:4; Galatians 5:1, 13; James 1:25; James 2:12; I Peter 2:16; ). This is the same liberty that allows Paul to say, “All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.” (I Corinthians 10:23) Although the Son has made us free, we can only walk in this liberty to the degree that we have faith in God. This is why we are told to be “fully persuaded in our own minds” because “whatever is not done in faith is sin.” (Romans 14:5, 23) If someone – whom the Scripture describes as having weaker faith – chooses to adhere to such ordinances, they are doing so as unto the Lord. To judge them is to place a stumbling block before them because you are attempting to get them to commit what in their minds is sin. (Romans 14:13; Romans 9:32) This is why we are warned, “But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to them that are weak.” (I Corinthians 8:9) Likewise, those who are walking in the liberty of Christ should not be judged by those who choose to adhere to such ordinances. As stated in I Corinthians 10:29-30, “Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man’s conscience? For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?” Those who make judgments in these areas are mistaking matters of faith for matters of doctrine.
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We should not judge anyone’s eternal destiny. Although we will judge the truth (in ourselves, in others and in doctrine) based on the Word of God, only God can bring about the consequences of His judgements: justification for the righteous and condemnation for the wicked (I Kings 8:32; II Chronicles 6:23). I Corinthians 4:3-5 states,”But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”
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Here Paul says that although he will be judged by his brethren, justification can only occur from the Lord and will only be known at Jesus’ second coming. God alone knows the end of the matter from the beginning.
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The primary stipulation given for Christians regarding judging is that we are not to proclaim our own judgements (based on our opinions) but to pronounce the judgements of God (based on truth). Jesus serves as the best example in this manner. “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” (John 5:30)
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Here Jesus confirms that all true judgement comes from God alone, but He also sets forth the criteria for what constitutes just judgements. Jesus says that because He places His will in subjection to God the Father, He is able to hear God’s words and be sent by God to pronounce His judgements. Again in John 8:15-16 Jesus asserts that only judgements that come from God are true, “Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.”
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We should not base judgements on malicious lies or evil misrepresentations. “Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?” (James 4:11-12) To speak evil of in this Scripture is the Greek word Katalaleo which means to malign, vilify, or traduce. It means exposing someone to contempt or shame based on false witness. This is why James says that such judgements are actually judgements of the law, because false testimony is a perversion of the law. Obviously, we should not judge others under these conditions. It should also be noted that these are the circumstances under which Jesus was judged by the religious leaders of His day (Matthew 26:59-66; Mark 14:55-64). They sought false witnesses by which they could judge Him for blasphemy. Further, we are warned that as Christians, we should expect to be subjected to these same “evil” judgements by the world. “Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.” (I Peter 3:16, also I Peter 2:12)
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Why Are We To Judge?
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According to the Bible, the act of judging righteously is a benefit to the individual Christian and to the body of believers as a whole. Judging helps to sanctify the individual believer, prepares us to do the work of God, protects us from heretical doctrine that jeopardizes our faith, makes us an effective witness for Christ, and is a demonstration of God’s grace to others.
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Judge Ones’ Self
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“Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” (John 17:17)
Judging ones’ self with the Word of God is a key part of the process of sanctification through which every believer proceeds. This is why we are told to examine ourselves to see if we be in the faith. (II Corinthians 13:5) This is not simply an act of casual reflection. God is charging us, “Judge yourself to see if you really are what you claim!” Does the fruit of our lives attest to the words of our lips? Although we proclaim to be Christians, do our day-to-day lives line up to the Word of God? Christ has come in direct opposition to the god of this world, the Father of lies. To combat the lies, Jesus presents us with incorruptible Truth. It is only by submitting to this Truth that the Spirit of God can be a lamp unto our feet, searching out our souls and turning our stony hearts into hearts of flesh. (Psalms 119; Acts 26:18; Romans 15:16; Ephesians 5:26-27; I Corinthians 6:11; II Corinthians 3:3; I Thessalonians 5:23; II Thessalonians 2:13; I Peter 1:2, 22)
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Sanctification is not a one time, immediate change that occurs when we accept Christ. It is a process of being cleansed through the washing of the water by the word whereby we can be transformed into the image of God as we walk in relationship with Him. It is this process of judging ones’ self that prompted David to cry out, “Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.” (Psalms 139:23-24)
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As we judge our own selves in the light of God’s word we continue in the process of sanctification, which is the will of God for every Christian. “For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour.” (I Thessalonians 4:3-4) In fact, the Apostle Paul said that if we would simply judge ourselves, we will not be condemned when God judges us. “For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.” (I Corinthians 11:31-32)
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Not only does judging one’s self keep you in a place of being sanctified by God, it is only then that we are made fit for the Master’s use. “If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.” (II Timothy 2:21)
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“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”
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First, this Scripture does not say to simply ark those who cause divisions or offenses (although this is what many who will say not to judge would like us to believe). It says to mark those who cause divisions or offenses by espousing doctrine that is contrary to Scripture. This is an important distinction because it implies that there are divisions or offenses that are not contrary to Scripture. In fact, Scripture itself can be such a division or offense. We are told that the Word of God is a sword dividing the wheat from the chaff, both within the inner being of an individual and between individuals. (Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12; Matthew 10:34-36) Further, both the written and the incarnate Word of God are referred to as a rock of offense (Romans 9:33; I Peter 2:7-8) Every Christian needs to settle in their minds that the Word of God will be considered divisive and offensive by those who rebel against God. If you have determined that you will not “judge” so as to avoid these accusations, then you have essentially chosen not to be a witness for Christ.
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I Timothy 4:16 also states that it is not only important to take heed to the doctrine but to continue in it. This is precisely the type of problem that the Apostle Paul was addressing in Galatians 1:6-7, “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.” We are further warned that in the last days these doctrines of devils will be more prevalent and persuasive than ever, even to the point of deceiving the elect of God – if it were possible to do so. (Matthew 10:11; Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; II Thessalonians 2:3; I Timothy 4:1-5; II Timothy 4:3-4)
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Lastly, I Timothy 4:16 reveals that by taking heed for and continuing in sound doctrine we will not only see salvation ourselves, but so will those to whom we witness. Conversely, as supported in II John 1:9-11, not continuing in sound doctrine results in us believing and spreading a perverted gospel that is powerless to save.
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While perhaps not verbatim, the above sentiments are often expressed when the subject of judging one another is raised. Yet these views are not only ludicrous, Scripture directly refutes such claims.
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Do You Not Judge Them That Are Within?
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As Christians, we are not only engrafted into the family of God, but we are made a part of a spiritual family of brothers and sisters with whom we can fellowship, learn, share, and grow in the faith. We have been birthed into a body of believers who can encourage, strengthen, support, and yes even admonish each other when necessary. “And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.” (Romans 15:14) Webster’s defines admonish as “to express warning or disapproval to especially in a gentle, earnest, or solicitous manner.” Although some in the church would say that we should not even do that, there are Scriptures that show this as one of the responsibilities of the church. (Colossians 3:16; I Thessalonians 5:12; Acts 27:9) In fact, we are specifically told to admonish and rebuke those brethren who may be in error (Titus 1:13; Titus 2:15; Titus 3:10; Ephesians 5:11; Colossians 3:16; I Corinthians 4:14; IITim. 3:16-4:2; II Timothy 4:2). “But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.” (II Thessalonians 3:13-15)
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The Bible even shows that it is sometimes necessary to specifically name those who are erring in the faith in order to protect others whom they may influence. “But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already: and overthrow the faith of some.” (II Timothy 2:16-Also I Timothy 1:19-20; I Timothy 5:20-21; II Timothy 4:10; Galatians 2: 11-14; II Timothy 4: 14-15; III John 1:9)
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When a brother or sister is in error, it is an extension of God’s grace and mercy to have another member of the Body provide correction. This gives the one in error an opportunity to repent and it serves as a witness for others in the faith. Letting a brother or sister continue in error is the most unloving and self-righteous act, because it allows them to continue in something that may result in them falling away from the Lord. Our fellowship with each other is but one of the ways in which God helps to steer us in the right direction when we go astray.
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We know from Scripture that God is the Judge of all (Genesis 18:25; Judges 11:27; I Samuel 2:10 Psalms 50:6; Psalms 96:13; Psalms 98:9; Isaiah 3:13; Isaiah 33:22; Jeremiah 11:20; Ezekiel 18:30; Ezekiel 33:20; Hebrews 12:23; I Peter 1:17; Matthew 12:27). God is set in position as our Judge because He is all-knowing, He is Truth. As such God’s judgements are righteous and true (John 8:26; Romans 11:33; Revelation 16:7; Revelation 19:2).
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Although God alone is the Judge, this does not mean that only God judges. In fact, the Word of God says that God enables man to judge, commands man to judge, and is pleased with those who seek to judge righteously.
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Scriptures clearly show that throughout time God has imparted to man the authority to judge (Leviticus 19:15; Deuteronomy 1:16; Deuteronomy 16:18; Judges 2:16-19; II Chronicles 19:5; Ezra 7:25; Isaiah 1:17; Ezekiel 23:45; John 7:24; Romans 2:27; I Corinthians 2:15; I Corinthians 6:). In Zechariah 3:7 God states that He gives those who obey Him the authority to judge, “Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.” There are also additional references in Scripture to this process of judging that may not specifically use the word judge. For example, in the original languages, the words translated as judge in Scripture are also translated examine, search, discern, ask, question, contend, esteem, and determine.In the Old Testament, God specifically identified those who were set in positions as Judges over His people as chronicled in the Book of Judges. We also see that one responsibility of the prophets was to declare God’s judgment to the people (Judges 4:4; II Samuel 12:1-12; Micah 3:1-8; Malachi 4:4; Hosea 6:5). In Ezra 7:25, it states that those who judge serve two purposes: 1). To judge those who know the law; and 2). To teach the law to those who do not know.
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Not Everyone Who Says “Lord, Lord” Is Your Brother
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The Word of God continually warns about the presence of false prophets in the world. Even more disarming, Scripture tells us that these deceivers will be mixed in with the church itself. (Matthew 13:24-40; Acts 20:29-31; II Timothy 2:20-21; II Timothy 4:3; II Timothy 3:13; Matthew 7:15; Matthew 24:11, 24; Mark 13:22; II Corinthians 11:4; Philippians 3:18-19; Galatians 2:4; II Peter 2:1) “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” (II Corinthians 11:13-15) God is telling us that there are ministers of Satan in the church who are actually transformed so that they appear as ministers of righteousness! We are even told that some of these false ministers will have Satanic power to perform supernatural signs, wonders, healings, and other miraculous events. (Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; II Thessalonians 2:9).Throughout Scripture, God warns us about these false prophets, false brethren, false apostles, etc. Is His direction for us to accept these individuals without question in a show of love? No. God is no fool and He knows that the intent of these individuals is to pull you out of the faith. (II Peter 2:1-22) The end times, we are told, will be specifically marked by a great apostacy as people are drawn away after false gospels. As a result, God commands us to judge whether they in fact are members of the Body of Christ, discern the signs, try the spirits, examine the fruit and be purged from these! (I Corinthians 5:7; II Corinthians 6:14-17; Ephesians 5:11; I Timothy 6:5; II Timothy 2:21; II Thessalonians 3:6; Titus 3:10) How do we identify false brethren? Because they preach and live a gospel that is a perversion of the Word of God. (Isaiah 8:20) Scripture not only tells us how to identify the false, but it shows us how to recognize the true Body of Christ? We know them by their fruit. (Matthew 7:16-20; Matthew 12:33; Matthew 13:23; Matthew 21:19-43; Mark 4:8, 20; Luke 6:44; Luke 8:15; John 15:1-16; Galatians 5:22; Ephesians 5:9-11; Colossians 1:10)
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Judging Others” Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
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(I John 4:1)Everyone who claims to be a minister or even a Christian must be believed by virtue of their confession. As brothers and sisters in the Lord, we must not question or judge one another because God alone is our judge. If someone is in error, it is not for us to point it out. After all, no one has it all right and God will correct them if they are wrong. To judge another person is not only unloving, but is against Scripture.
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“Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.” (I Timothy 4:16)In the above Scripture, we are warned to “take heed” for not only our own selves but for the doctrine. In other words, God is saying to pay attention to, watch out for, take care of the doctrine. Why? Because not all doctrine is sound doctrine. In fact, we are told specifically that devils also have doctrines. (I Timothy 4:1; Revelation 2:14-15; Revelation 2:24) It is precisely because there are these other “gospels” that we are warned to hold fast to what was given to us originally. (II Corinthians 11:4; Galatians 1:6-7;Titus 1:9; II Peter 3:1-13; I Timothy 1:6-7; Romans 6:17; Acts 2:42; Revelation 3:3) Yet, the only way that we can hold fast to the Gospel is if we can discern or judge between the true and the false. (Hebrews 5:13-14) Once again, the Word of God is presented as the standard for such an evaluation (Romans 6:17; Romans 16:17; II Thessalonians 2:15; I Timothy 1:3; II Timothy 1:13; II Timothy 3:13-17; II Timothy 4:2; II Peter 3:1-13; II John 1:10; Titus 1:9; Matthew 15:3-6). Why is judging doctrine so important? Because there are doctrines that can jeopardize your faith and even your salvation. “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” (II John 1:9-11)
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Judge DoctrineToday, the judging of doctrine is predominately taking one of two extremes. Many refuse to judge anything for fear of being called divisive. Still others cause senseless disputations by making everything a matter of doctrine; judging others in legalistic areas that are not germane to salvation. However, Romans 16:17 makes it clear not only what constitutes a division, but how to treat those who cause them.
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Scripture also shows that God considers the exercise of judgment to be evidence of our seeking truth (Jeremiah 5:1). The fact that the desire to judge righteously is highly esteemed by God is clearly illustrated in I Kings 3:9-13. In verse 9, King Solomon asks, “Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?” We see here that Solomon asked God for discernment to judge between good and bad. This request not only pleased the Lord, but God blessed Solomon greatly for asking for the wisdom to judge.In the New Testament, we continue to see that God expects us to exercise judgment. Jesus Himself criticized the Pharisees for being unable to judge the spiritual things of God and the importance of judging spiritual matters continued to be stressed throughout His disciples’ ministries (Matthew 16:3; Luke 12:56-57; John 7:24; Acts 4:19; I Corinthians 2:15; I Corinthians 5:3; I Corinthians 6:2-5; I Corinthians 10:15; I Corinthians 14:29; Hebrews 5:14). Further, we are told that it is to our shame if there is none among us who can judge the things of God. God also states that judgment is considered one of the weightier aspects of God’s law, even more than offerings (Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:14).
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When citing God’s “command” not to judge, people often refer to Matthew 7:1, however, let’s look at the complete Scripture in context. “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.” (Matthew 7:1-5)Jesus clearly says do not judge so that you will not be judged, but to whom is He speaking? He identifies His audience in verse 5 with the words “Thou hypocrite.” Jesus is not forbiding Christians to judge (unless He is calling every Christian a hypocrite). He is warning that we will be held accountable for what we know. In other words, if we know enough about sinful behavior to tell others that it is wrong, then we have no excuse as to why that sin would be present in our lives. This is consistent with Paul’s advice in I Corinthians 11:31-32 that we judge ourselves first so that we will not be judged. As Jesus says in verse 5, we should cast the beam out of our own eye and then we are in position to point out the fault to others.
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(Isa 54:17 KJV) No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
JUST CAUSE I EXPOSE RIGHTFULLY ONE BAD PENTECOSTAL CHURCH DOES NOT NOW MEAN THAT I BASH ALL PENTECOSTALS, PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES, OR ALL CHURCHES.
One of the strongest things I have objected to in my life is the false Pentecostal bashers- The clear attempt to paint everyone else black, wrong  now, all Pentecostals included as being dirtied, everyone here associated  painted by one dirty paint brush, is clearly a common work also  of the devil and prideful persons.
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   There is no law that says I have to still allow or to accept quietly the false, unfair  abuse of even any of the   Pentecostal Christians for that matter now as well and anywhere world wide, even on the net.
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I too noted once again how   sadly  too many so called professing fundamental or some Catholic Christians now  do make false, lying, unsubstantiated, over simplified, and unbiblical statements   about those crazy Charismatics or Pentecostals but  even here there are still genuine Christian  workers of miracles..  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/those-crazy-charismatics-or-pentecostals/
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Are we really to believe that 537 million Christians experience continual demonic manifestations of false tongues, when false tongues were so rare that the Bible did not even address the issue?”  ” http://brothermel.com/theboogeymancalledfalsetongues.aspx
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For certainty also because of the demonic opposition the devil will try to discourage you from finding out or reading about the Holy spirit, Charismatics, Pentecostals and the Bible. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/restoration/
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THERE IS A  VERY BASIC COMMON MISCONCEPTION ON HOW TO DEAL WITH ANY PERCEIVED EVEN INJUSTICES, ABUSES, ANYWHERE, IN THE CHURCH AS WELL, BESIDES IMMEDIATELY CALLING THE LOCAL  POLICE..
THE NEW TESTAMENT IS CLEAR HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.. COMMUNICATION – AND YOU DON’T FIRST POST IT ALL ON THE NET.
 
First you merely ask the guilty, bad persons personally to repent twice, the first time without a witness, the second time with witnesses THAT you have asked them to repent.. and   proof, substantiation is NOT required.. after you have done that you can next post it openly on the net, tell all the others.
Next God is fully free to deal with the unrepentant guilty offenders and believe me he will.. I have now been doing for decades too.. I SIMPLY SEND AN EMAIL, I PUT IT INTO CLEARLY WRITING, SO THE GUILTY PARTY CANNOT SAY I DID NOT ASK HIM OR HER TO REPENT.
WHETHER THEY ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT TO GOD DOES NOT MATTER.
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