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A person shared with me recently the too common fact that the “customer relationship” departments or even the “hospital ombudsmen”, “provincial ombudsman” for that fact now, they are now a too often are perverse public relationship affair, or the institution’s lies or the spin doctors, bullies, mostly who are liars, con artists and truly they are not there at all to serve the best interest of the citizens, customers. These rather too often price gougers too still do seem falsely to like to find any excuse to stick more charges to the customers even  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/the-people-with-abig-clout-in-canada/

In Canada today it is a well known and documented fact that the majority of our major telecommunication firm’s customer care and/or billing departments even those of Bell, Rogers, Virgin Mobile, Primus are still now very abusive too often towards the customers , they are too often useless, pretentious, immoral even, and the words “customer care” here clearly are misleading, false, they rather are paid company employees who look after the customer’s sole interest who quote the firms own policies, rights, demands.. These same mostly self serving firms and department, persons tend to disrespect even the federal and provincial laws, the consumer protection laws included as ai have found out myself many times now too. They all tend to firstly really not care about any of the customer’s personal abuses, hardships, losses, pains, concerns for almost all of these corporations solely care only about the firm’s own profitability, and their sole, bottom line for them is making more of the almighty buck not matter what the costs, even to the customers. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/bell-canada-to-pay-a-penalty-of-10-million-for-making-misleading-advertising-claims/

Did you also not notice how they all tend to lie and make openly a public claim that they have the best, have the fastest speeds, have a good customer services now as well.. for they all seem to have to advertise falsely what is thus clearly not visible to many.. they seem to have to continually advertise for new customers cause they have a hard time keeping many of the old ones. Consumers have to use a trial and error approach in using the off the shelf medicine to see which ones possible may actually work as stated,, an approach that costs them wastefully loads of money now too.
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Speaking of the too often unacceptable corporate false misleading adverting’s, distortions of the realities even the pharmaceutical firms are also of the this when the use terms like the best, number one, fast relief, extra strong, rapid release, tested which is not true for every sickness or for every sick person.. all this is an ongoing false play on words misleading the average consumers and not helping them to get the medical relief they want, need.

The law already clearly specifies that to be valid a contract between two parties has to be also fair to both of the parties involved, but sadly almost all OF Canada’s telecommunications firms have a grossly one sided contract terms, definitions that mainly dictates out the rights of the firms only and not the customers rights, and this is grossly both illegal and immoral. Public exposure and prosecution of the liars, bullies, abusers, guilty firms serves everyone’s best interest.

Now I had called the customer care department at Primus to confirm my cancellation of their Primus phone services, because they had lied when they had promised now to all the lowest phone bill, and I had asked them Primus if they would confirm the cancellation to me in writing, but they Primus had replied that there was no need to since they Primus had a record of my phone conversation and the details, Now anyway I next immediately confirmed the cancellation date as well to them Primus in writing, and the Quebec law required they Primus give me a full billing balance statement and a full refund within 15 days. But next Primus disregarded my requests, and the Quebec law, and they Primus had next falsely had continued with the cancellation as per their own way as they Primus saw fit to do so, as per their own Primus policies. When I had called the Primus customer care back, had even spoken next to the Primus immediate supervisor, to confirm my objection of their Primus poor actions, abuse of my personal rights, they Primus told me that they themselves Primus had now no right to deal here with my issues, objections, concerns matters and I should contact instead their Primus legal department.. what a useless and immoral, pretentious Primus customer care department now as well. It seems that even the majority of the major telecommunication firms customer care departments they are are useless, , pretentious, immoral even, bullies. The too often perverse internal self regulation by these firms is just more unacceptable masturbation.

Clearly as per here too Primus and even most of these big corporations falsely and unacceptably do still believe that they are still above giving accountability to anyone and they do nor have to respect even the provincial laws.

The RCMP commercial crime division itself does not care if the citizens get robbed, abused by these major firms cause it is a known fact that the RCMP itself has abused the taxpayers, their money too and RCMP is also known to be cost infective, abusive, pretentious and it the RCMP as well needs to be full prosecuted and disbanded too.

see also Basic Contract law https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/virgin-mobile-canada/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/virgin-mobile-canada-has-this-breached-the-quebec-laws-3-times-now-too-in-my-case/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/virgin-mobile-canada-continues-to-falsely-lie-to-me-and-tries-falsely-to-hold-on-my-money-as-well-even-against-the-quebec-law-thread_id28512378%e2%80%9d/

https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/the-10-commandments-are-still-applicable-today-for-all-corporations-and-business-persons-included/

.. yes, you would think that our public and civil servants, politicans would by now know how to deal with all of these crooks without me having to tell them and all about it still.

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Virgin Mobile Canada has done this breached the Quebec laws 3 times now too in my case.

 

A Quebec Superior Court ruling has confirmed a province’s right to intervene in matters of contractual relations involving consumer protection. The provisions in the legislation target not only cellphone companies, but other industries such as internet providers and phone companies

Under the Quebec Bill 60

“If a supplier offers his cell phone service online, by telephone or through an advertisement received by mail, the law requires that he supply you with a detailed description of his offer, which must contain the following information:

  • supplier’s name, address, telephone number, fax number and e-mail address;
  • detailed description of the service offered;
  • total amount payable, including cost of service, related fees and taxes;
  • description of potential additional costs, i.e. customs tariffs, broker’s fees, other fees such as cell phone delivery, etc.;
  • transaction currency (Euro, USF, etc.);
  • if applicable, delivery date, means, time and carrier’s name (e.g. for cell phone delivery);
  • in-house policies for cancellation, merchandise returns, exchanges or refunds.

Consumer’s consent

This information must be clearly visible on the supplier’s website or, if the transaction occurred by telephone, it must be given to you verbally. The information given by the supplier must be easy to understand in order to allow you to accept or refuse the offer made before concluding the transaction.

Transmission of written contract

The supplier has 15 days to send the written contract. It must be presented so that you can keep and print a copy. This way, you can check to ensure that the contract’s content corresponds to the supplier’s offer.

Cancellation conditions

The law allows you to cancel a package when the supplier fails to respect one or more of his obligations:

You are legally entitled to cancel your contract any time before it is executed if:

  • the supplier did not give you the compulsory information;
  • the contract does not respect legal requirements.
  • The supplier is guilty of false, misleading advertisement
Contract cancellation procedure

You must send a notice of cancellation to the supplier. The law requires no specific model for the notice of cancellation or particular means of transmitting it. The cancellation takes effect the date the notice is transmitted

  • The supplier must refund your money within 15 days of the date the notice was sent. “
 
 
Now I have obtained a cellphone from Virgin  and  I have next cancelled the cellphone contract on February 16, 2011 and Virgin already is in breach of the Quebec law by to date April 25,2011 they had  not  refunded my money within 15 days nor canceling THE CONTRACT Immediately AS WELL. Virgin has also failed now to send within  15 days to me  the written contract. It has this breached the Quebec laws 3 times  now  too in my case. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/virgin-mobile-canada/
  
and what the big corporations falsely still do think they are above respecting the laws of this country, province?
 

 

 

Virgin Mobile Canada a bad firm, add to that Primus now as well

 

 Look I have rightfully hundreds of time to the government, on the net, to the news media already have said that phone companies    undeniably, unacceptable too, are a bad big despotic control freak, monopolistic, immoral, deceptive in reality, practice, and in reality most of the phone companies   do  not honour the normal, decent laws, rules, regulations. Bell Canada included   is a dictator that wants all others to play by it’s own rules. Bell does not know how to respect, keep, honour the terms of it’s contractual obligations to it’s own customers, immoral Bell rather likes to rewrite the contract continuously, one sided so that it is always better solely for Bell. Dream on..

Well even if Bully abusive Bell falsely under the guise of profitability, competitiveness, making more  profit or whatever, now still   thinks it is a big, large, established firm, corporation that does not have to play by the established rules, rather it can make it’s own rules. 

Regulators need to exist cause we all tend to know big bad corporations tend to cheat, lie, abuse the consumers.

Basic Contract law – Basic Contract law – Basic Contract law- Basic Contract law
 
Next here is basic legal, valid  understanding, terms of a valid contract, contract  law for all of the managers, president of Bell and all of  Bell employees too. Not just for any customers. Bell had, has definitely detailed, advertised it’s Internet services to all with their  terms, limitations and any customers who enters into mutually agreed upon terms, agreement with their services now forms the  essential mutually legally binding contract..
    
1: A contract is a legally binding exchange of promises or agreement between competent two parties, persons of legal age too, that the governmental court, the law of the state or province , or country next will enforce. Contract law is based on the Latin phrase pacta sunt servanda (pacts must be kept).  Anyone can enter into a contract, except minors, certain felons and people of unsound mind.  It’s important to know that not all contracts details even  have to be in writing., for instance, certain agreements can also be made and accepted orally and still be legally enforceable. While the contract agreement doesn’t always have to be in writing, all the other elements of a valid contract still have to be met, included, , fulfilled by law. The bottom line is that  the parties generally come to transactions in good faith, mutually trust and understanding, and not a one way approach, one way demands, one way relationship. All valid  courts, will not enforce, accept as valid  any contract to perform an accepted illegal act. A contract to kill some is invalid clearly too.  A person who pays for bad drugs that aren’t delivered can’t next seek the help of a court or the police in getting the money back. Unbelievable some people still do try to do this too. A valid contract also always requires the mutual parties’ consent, which must be freely made, not forced consent,  and clearly communicated to each other. Consent is not free when obtained through duress, menace, fraud,  lies, undue influence or mistakes, serious errors were presented.  Consent isn’t mutual unless the parties agree on the same thing in the same sense, a clear “meeting of the minds. One party now  presenting only their own  their terms, conditions, without the other parties approval, consent, free will   clearly is still not a valid contract.  In order for an acceptance of an offer to be effective, it must be made while the  sales, specific, fixed service offer is still open. Any  person can changes the conditions of an initial offer in responding to the offer, the old offer is clearly now rejected and the changed conditions constitute a counteroffer and that now becomes part of of any subsequent agreed upon contract. I did that with Bell now too. Once there is next a final, written contract between the parties, the parol evidence rule forbids the introduction in a court proceeding of any previous agreements between the parties on the subject matter of the contract.Only certain contracts aren’t valid unless in writing. Generally, they do deal with real property, certain specific loans, debts, money exceeding a certain amount, or contracts concerning the sale of goods worth more than $500 or one that   include  objects that won’t be performed within one year or within the promisor’s lifetime. Bell now being unable to supply me a promised high speed internet but only a low speed one is still a good example of an invalid contract even if was a written one originally from Bell.
  
2: The Specific parties. The contract must always include,  identify who the agreed upon specific parties are; usually names are sufficient, but sometimes addresses or titles may be used.   Bell and the specific customer. Me in this case.
  
3: The agreed upon object.  The Offer,  the thing, the value, the  services being agreed to is also known as the object or subject  and it itself not only  must be lawful, possible but it must be a definite, fixed, measurable amount specially now even by the laws of Quebec too. For instance Bell promising to deliver a customer a 6 meg download high speed   internet service, where they know they only have a 3 meg line capacity is not legal or legally binding contract. Bell  promising to supply their” best services “or “up to 6 megs services” is not legal as well for it is  is not really an agreed upon  fixed  object, rather the object is not definite and most customers have take that to mean 6 megs anyway. . The object of the contract does have to be very specific and measurable. It is Bell obligations now to to clerk up any ambiguity on the contract as agree upon by the comer now too. So if Bell promising a 6 megs internet services, and Bell by law  next has to deliver 16 megs to meet their promise that is also now part of the contract too. A specified length of time, such as one year does not mean the contract is still valid if Bell has not lived up to the agreed upon previously contract terms.
 
4: The outcome, or the considerations. All contracts require consideration, meaning each party must gain something fixed, tangible. It may also be something that is or isn’t done or given.   When a party agrees to do something (such as I will paint your house) or to not do something (I will not  sell my  house to anyone else for 30 days) they next also must gain something in return toy make this a valid contract, they must receive  agreed upon   fixed payment, a fixed reward. Generally, if I say I’ll paint your house, and you haven’t promised me anything in return, you can’t sue me next for not showing up because I will not receive  any consideration firstly”. Once a contract has been created, it can be determined if there are any issues that call into question of  its validity too.
   
5: Termination of contracts.  Breach of contract.  Breach of contract is recognised by the law with applicable penalties now too.  Contracts generally can only be terminated if mutually agree now by both parties as to what the terminations terms included. Parties to a contract may mutually agree to rescind the contract. In that case, the parties may agree on the duties and responsibilities of each party after the rescission. Bell still expecting  me to pay for their internet when they do not keep their promises is a breach of the contract, an invalid demand of me.   Now is the contract  price set, are promised quantities specially  determined, and is the time for performance clearly  stated? There should be enough information contained in the contract  always  that, if needed, the courts likely next  would be able to enforce the contract or determine the appropriate damages. Unless it is mutually agreed upon before any subsequent court demanded decision action,  is taken.  Fraud is the intentional misrepresentation of an important issue of the contract. The presence of fraud in a contractual proceeding makes the contract voidable by the party upon whom the fraud was perpetrated. The contract always still now binds both parties, and not just the customer to the terms, conditions of the contract agreed upon now as well.  Once it is determined that there is a contract, it it  still can, must be determined whether there are any defenses that call into question the validity of the contract.
 
Bell Changing horses, making changes, additions to the contract in midstream is invalid, a breach, still not allowed, especially without the subsequent, and pre consent, approval of both parties now still too and is a breach of contract rather. That includes Bell capping of my bit torrent downloads too on my unlimited download account
 
Yes a Bell  contract also may end because of a breach by Bell.  A breach occurs when a person, or a firm  does not fulfill his or her, their  responsibilities as promised in the contract. A breach may be minor or major. A  major breach is one that does affect the subject matter of the contract and does  affect the outcome of the contract.  Bell not having sufficient equipment, capacity in place to meet my high speed internet, is a breach of contract. This is also known as a breach of a material issue. When there has been a breach in a contract, the question of damages is raised. The damages due to a party when there is a contract breach depend on many factors, including: which party breaches, and what damages were incurred. In most cases when an injury results from a contract breach, the injured party receives money damages. Such as I have in Dec  2007 from Bell.  Bell itself has unacceptably cause now in the last 2 years many unacceptable breaches in our contract that I have clearly even in writing not accepted and have objected too and demand restitution of as well rightfully.Go back to a good school firstly Bell if you cannot understand and keep all of this now too.
 
“Despite precedents that show that contracts substantially favoring the party with the greater power often are deemed unconscionable (so unfair as to not be enforceable), lawyers stiff draft them and companies still like them.   Lesson learned: Make deals that are balanced; contracts that distribute risks and responsibilities fairly. Such deals will be honored by courts and your businesses wealth and reputation will benefit over the long term. “ http://troutmanhays.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/one-sided-contracts-are-a-bad-deal-for-all-parties-or-getting-greedy-will-get-ya/      
   
PS: “In Real Estate specifically , there it is a requirement at Law that contracts be written down in usually lengthy legal forms to avoid uncertainty, ambiguity and to be binding “.   When I asked Bell to confirm the contract I had with them in writing they next always had refused to do so..
 
 
When attempting to enforce a contract, an individual or business , even Bell should always consider the effect any dispute will have on any long-term business relationship between all of the parties involved.     

The present truths about Canada’s  phone, cell phone, internet communication businesses

Truth 1 

The federal government including the CRTC and the Consumer affairs, industry Ministers do  not consistently regulate, monitor, supervise     Canada’s  phone, cell phone, internet communication business, major telecommunications firms and their employees as well for their false, misleading advertisings, blatant lies, abusive of the customers, nor specially  for their too often bad, immoral, pretentiously lying service departments and the CRTC itself does not all even investigate, prosecute the immoral company representatives who lie, mislead the customers.
 
Truth 2
Dealing with the service departments of the internet providers, cell or phone companies,in obtain a new service or cancelling an existing services  too often is one of the worst personal experiences as these firms tend to be vague, uncooperative, unhelpful, and seem to place deliberate customer obstacles in the way. In the last year I  have personally dealt with Rogers, Primus, Bell, Virgin mobile and none of these firms customers services were acceptable.These firms have the ability to make the customer services department to be helpful, cooperative, friendly, informative, to be simplified  and to expedite  matters instead they seem undeniably to like to confuse issues, put obstacles into the customer’s ways too.
 
 
Truth 3
Canada’s  phone, cell phone, internet communication business Industry too often mislead the customers by claiming that their industry is regulated and they would not even exist in business if they had  cheated, lied, for the government would not let them, but nothing can be further from the truth now as well. For they also do lie  when it claims that it tends to follow their own High  industry standard, for they themselves tend  not regulate their own  bad employees, as their self regulation tends to be another form of masturbation.The industry standard also now generally  is one it seems of lying to the customers, the potential customers, working at obtaining and keeping the customers at any costs,immoral acts included.
 
For example many of the major internet supply firms too often too they also now  do  tend to claim , advertise the fact they do have the highest  internets speed , and a simple truth is that they all cannot make a similar statement for sure.
 
Truth 4
The phone, cell phone, internet communication companies individually like to lie, mislead the customers by claiming that their too often abusive, one sided contracts now  are all legally bind, even if they already do break even existing  federal and provincial laws even. The rather too often hypocritical INDUSTRY often still ask the customers to hold to their own definitions of the contract rules while they themselves too often undeniably do not hold the normal rules of decency and ACCEPTABLE standard.
 
Truth 5
Furthermore each firm has its own standard but not always applicable  contracts that vary significantly  between the firms as well that too often are not detailed firstly to the customers beforehand as well during the initial contract stages
 
 Look I have rightfully hundreds of time to the government, on the net, to the news media already have said that phone companies    undeniably, unacceptable too, are a bad big despotic control freak, monopolistic, immoral, deceptive in reality, practice, and in reality most of the phone companies   do  not honour the normal, decent laws, rules, regulations. Bell Canada included   is a dictator that wants all others to play by it’s own rules. Bell does not know how to respect, keep, honour the terms of it’s contractual obligations to it’s own customers, immoral Bell rather likes to rewrite the contract continuously, one sided so that it is always better solely for Bell. Dream on..

Well even if Bully abusive Bell falsely under the guise of profitability, competitiveness, making more  profit or whatever, now still   thinks it is a big, large, established firm, corporation that does not have to play by the established rules, rather it can make it’s own rules. 

Regulators need to exist cause we all tend to know big bad corporations tend to cheat, lie, abuse the consumers.

Basic Contract law – Basic Contract law – Basic Contract law- Basic Contract law
 
Next here is basic legal, valid  understanding, terms of a valid contract, contract  law for all of the managers, president of Bell and all of  Bell employees too. Not just for any customers. Bell had, has definitely detailed, advertised it’s Internet services to all with their  terms, limitations and any customers who enters into mutually agreed upon terms, agreement with their services now forms the  essential mutually legally binding contract..
    
1: A contract is a legally binding exchange of promises or agreement between competent two parties, persons of legal age too, that the governmental court, the law of the state or province , or country next will enforce. Contract law is based on the Latin phrase pacta sunt servanda (pacts must be kept).  Anyone can enter into a contract, except minors, certain felons and people of unsound mind.  It’s important to know that not all contracts details even  have to be in writing., for instance, certain agreements can also be made and accepted orally and still be legally enforceable. While the contract agreement doesn’t always have to be in writing, all the other elements of a valid contract still have to be met, included, , fulfilled by law. The bottom line is that  the parties generally come to transactions in good faith, mutually trust and understanding, and not a one way approach, one way demands, one way relationship. All valid  courts, will not enforce, accept as valid  any contract to perform an accepted illegal act. A contract to kill some is invalid clearly too.  A person who pays for bad drugs that aren’t delivered can’t next seek the help of a court or the police in getting the money back. Unbelievable some people still do try to do this too. A valid contract also always requires the mutual parties’ consent, which must be freely made, not forced consent,  and clearly communicated to each other. Consent is not free when obtained through duress, menace, fraud,  lies, undue influence or mistakes, serious errors were presented.  Consent isn’t mutual unless the parties agree on the same thing in the same sense, a clear “meeting of the minds. One party now  presenting only their own  their terms, conditions, without the other parties approval, consent, free will   clearly is still not a valid contract.  In order for an acceptance of an offer to be effective, it must be made while the  sales, specific, fixed service offer is still open. Any  person can changes the conditions of an initial offer in responding to the offer, the old offer is clearly now rejected and the changed conditions constitute a counteroffer and that now becomes part of of any subsequent agreed upon contract. I did that with Bell now too. Once there is next a final, written contract between the parties, the parol evidence rule forbids the introduction in a court proceeding of any previous agreements between the parties on the subject matter of the contract.Only certain contracts aren’t valid unless in writing. Generally, they do deal with real property, certain specific loans, debts, money exceeding a certain amount, or contracts concerning the sale of goods worth more than $500 or one that   include  objects that won’t be performed within one year or within the promisor’s lifetime. Bell now being unable to supply me a promised high speed internet but only a low speed one is still a good example of an invalid contract even if was a written one originally from Bell.
  
2: The Specific parties. The contract must always include,  identify who the agreed upon specific parties are; usually names are sufficient, but sometimes addresses or titles may be used.   Bell and the specific customer. Me in this case.
  
3: The agreed upon object.  The Offer,  the thing, the value, the  services being agreed to is also known as the object or subject  and it itself not only  must be lawful, possible but it must be a definite, fixed, measurable amount specially now even by the laws of Quebec too. For instance Bell promising to deliver a customer a 6 meg download high speed   internet service, where they know they only have a 3 meg line capacity is not legal or legally binding contract. Bell  promising to supply their” best services “or “up to 6 megs services” is not legal as well for it is  is not really an agreed upon  fixed  object, rather the object is not definite and most customers have take that to mean 6 megs anyway. . The object of the contract does have to be very specific and measurable. It is Bell obligations now to to clerk up any ambiguity on the contract as agree upon by the comer now too. So if Bell promising a 6 megs internet services, and Bell by law  next has to deliver 16 megs to meet their promise that is also now part of the contract too. A specified length of time, such as one year does not mean the contract is still valid if Bell has not lived up to the agreed upon previously contract terms.
 
4: The outcome, or the considerations. All contracts require consideration, meaning each party must gain something fixed, tangible. It may also be something that is or isn’t done or given.   When a party agrees to do something (such as I will paint your house) or to not do something (I will not  sell my  house to anyone else for 30 days) they next also must gain something in return toy make this a valid contract, they must receive  agreed upon   fixed payment, a fixed reward. Generally, if I say I’ll paint your house, and you haven’t promised me anything in return, you can’t sue me next for not showing up because I will not receive  any consideration firstly”. Once a contract has been created, it can be determined if there are any issues that call into question of  its validity too.
   
5: Termination of contracts.  Breach of contract.  Breach of contract is recognised by the law with applicable penalties now too.  Contracts generally can only be terminated if mutually agree now by both parties as to what the terminations terms included. Parties to a contract may mutually agree to rescind the contract. In that case, the parties may agree on the duties and responsibilities of each party after the rescission. Bell still expecting  me to pay for their internet when they do not keep their promises is a breach of the contract, an invalid demand of me.   Now is the contract  price set, are promised quantities specially  determined, and is the time for performance clearly  stated? There should be enough information contained in the contract  always  that, if needed, the courts likely next  would be able to enforce the contract or determine the appropriate damages. Unless it is mutually agreed upon before any subsequent court demanded decision action,  is taken.  Fraud is the intentional misrepresentation of an important issue of the contract. The presence of fraud in a contractual proceeding makes the contract voidable by the party upon whom the fraud was perpetrated. The contract always still now binds both parties, and not just the customer to the terms, conditions of the contract agreed upon now as well.  Once it is determined that there is a contract, it it  still can, must be determined whether there are any defenses that call into question the validity of the contract.
 
Bell Changing horses, making changes, additions to the contract in midstream is invalid, a breach, still not allowed, especially without the subsequent, and pre consent, approval of both parties now still too and is a breach of contract rather. That includes Bell capping of my bit torrent downloads too on my unlimited download account
 
Yes a Bell  contract also may end because of a breach by Bell.  A breach occurs when a person, or a firm  does not fulfill his or her, their  responsibilities as promised in the contract. A breach may be minor or major. A  major breach is one that does affect the subject matter of the contract and does  affect the outcome of the contract.  Bell not having sufficient equipment, capacity in place to meet my high speed internet, is a breach of contract. This is also known as a breach of a material issue. When there has been a breach in a contract, the question of damages is raised. The damages due to a party when there is a contract breach depend on many factors, including: which party breaches, and what damages were incurred. In most cases when an injury results from a contract breach, the injured party receives money damages. Such as I have in Dec  2007 from Bell.  Bell itself has unacceptably cause now in the last 2 years many unacceptable breaches in our contract that I have clearly even in writing not accepted and have objected too and demand restitution of as well rightfully.Go back to a good school firstly Bell if you cannot understand and keep all of this now too.
 
“Despite precedents that show that contracts substantially favoring the party with the greater power often are deemed unconscionable (so unfair as to not be enforceable), lawyers stiff draft them and companies still like them.   Lesson learned: Make deals that are balanced; contracts that distribute risks and responsibilities fairly. Such deals will be honored by courts and your businesses wealth and reputation will benefit over the long term. “ http://troutmanhays.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/one-sided-contracts-are-a-bad-deal-for-all-parties-or-getting-greedy-will-get-ya/      
   
PS: “In Real Estate specifically , there it is a requirement at Law that contracts be written down in usually lengthy legal forms to avoid uncertainty, ambiguity and to be binding “.   When I asked Bell to confirm the contract I had with them in writing they next always had refused to do so..
 
 When attempting to enforce a contract, an individual or business , even Bell should always consider the effect any dispute will have on any long-term business relationship between all of the parties involved.     
 

Virgin Mobile Canada even  screws up a simple cell phone and the related cell phone number cancellation procedure. Virgin Mobile Canada Customer services again  told me  today by phone that they have no power, control over the Virgin Mobile Canada billing , account procedures. statements. refunds, departments.. Now even months later from Feb 15, 2010 Virgin Mobile Canada  has not even kept any of their many last Virgin Mobile Canada promises to escalate my Virgin Mobile Canada billing statement, money refund  and on April 13, 2011 Virgin Mobile Canada BECAUSE  clearly is so incompetent they Virgin Mobile Canada that they do continually   do on the phone make useless Virgin Mobile Canada promises . Next Virgin Mobile Canada again informed me that  there is nothing else they can now even do for me cause they are the  Virgin Mobile Canada customer billing  inquiry representative and they are are only a basically useless, powerless Virgin Mobile Canada Customer billing, phone representative, and so they  Virgin Mobile Canada do not know when I will next get my due Virgin Mobile Canada credit,  my money,  my Virgin Mobile Canada cheque, my Virgin Mobile Canada final bill  in the mail, they Virgin Mobile Canada do continue to send me for moths the wrong bills, and it takes Virgin Mobile Canada 4 to 6  weeks to next  correct them so, but over 2 months had passed and they Virgin Mobile Canada have missed their original promised deadline too to do so.. so  they Virgin Mobile Canada continue to lie to me all the time.. they Virgin Mobile Canada do in writing promise you a good Virgin Mobile Canada customer service, they Virgin Mobile Canada claim they have got an award for 5 years for the best customers services, but the reality as I see it differs now  .. Now I get a new Virgin Mobile Canada promise i will get my Virgin Mobile Canada cheque 3 to six weeks from the first  week of April 2011 when my Virgin Mobile Canada account was now supposedly closed.. Virgin Mobile Canada they cannot  DO ANYTHING GOOD FOR ME HERE..The next  Virgin Mobile Canada final statement will only be billed to me on the 16 of April, plus it will take at least another 5 to 9 days and then it may be shipped to me? The Virgin Mobile Canada customer service by Virgin was, is stated to me today as being  the best in the world according to the last 5 years but my own undeniable witness and reality is that Virgin Mobile Canada statement itself as well is all crap. stating lies,  mere  useless words.. having to me no evidence of such a fact.

 

 The top 3 “Canada’s Worst Cell Phone Bill” belong to Bell, Rogers, Virgin and next no matter how their spin  doctors lie about it, make false promises to change it they all are still bad in reality. I have dealt with bad Bell, Bad Rogers and bad Virgin even as of recently and  had been on the CBC radio, TV as well complaining rightfully about Rogers too.. Now I am having problem with Virgin Mobile customer service departments..  they often make verbal and written promises to me that  they next never keep to me, so I cannot trust them at all and thus have no use for  them.

  

VIRGIN MOBILE CANNOT KEEP IT’S PROMISES TO SERVE IT’S CUSTOMER PROPERLY EVEN. Undeniable

As I have found many times in March 2011 even even weekly firsthand there is no reality between the cheap mere words of Virgin’s advertised statement for caring about the customer and next still the actual  very unsatisfactory poor Virgin Mobile Canada  customer service   provided when it comes to dealing even with a valid Virgin customer complaints.. next in six weeks now they all I had talked to at Virgin still were unable to cancel the original request of mine to my cell phone service or even to  give me a proper Virgin  finalized statement of account. and instead the Virgin customer care, the Virgin Billing and accounting departments  continued to bill me for my phone services and to disregard my requests and all of Virgin had even failed to correct their inadequacies towards me even  many times

Virgin merely does its own thing. Imagine this weeks later after I had even cancelled my Virgin cell phone they have yet even to send me in the mail a final accurate  bill statement of all things! Incompetent, pretentious, worst kind of  services.. Virgin. They Virgin now cannot even email me an update balance statement for my review.. to insure they had cancelled the phone on the date that I had requested instead I  do  get another typical buck passing from their customer service number stating that this is a another department fault.. Virgin Mobile wants me to even next  call back and talk to the Virgin accounting department, to the Virgin Billing department as well and now why do they bother even having a pretentious,  useless and toothless Virgin customer relationship department for the customers to phone to? Why??? I do even get a different version of reality everytime I talk to another Virgin representaive.. and they ask me not to put it in writing but to phone them so why is that? they the bad employees they do want no record of it.. no writen  record off the real customer abuse. Dream on and Virgin  where is my updated balance statement that i had asked for still too? They next do  promise to email me a statement but they have yet to do that as well….

 
 
 
   
I had cancelled my phone altogether on February 17, 2011, I  had cancelled the phone number as well but those liars, definite incompetent at Virgin did not do so.. they even to date March 31, 2011 did not  have the account closed but temporarily suspended and all so they can make more  money from me even charging me for a phone services I do not have. or use . Now in the last month weekly I  have weekly wrote to them even called them and they next promised me real actions, wrote further notes on the subject.. but still they did nothing.. nothing.. they lied when they say the customer is important.. making money is all they care about… 
   
PLEASE NOTE THIS Virgin Mobile Canada
 
DO TREAT ME NICE IN REALITY  FOR I AM IMPORTANT YOUR LYING WORDS, YOUR MERE PROMISES TO DO SO MEAN NOTHING TO ME
 
I was shocked firsthand now to discover firsthand how badly you do treat your customers. You certainly do not want any future repeat business from them
 
The Virgin phone company in Canada it  takes one day to activate my cell  phone but it does next wants to be paid 30 days to disconnect it.. how absurd and what a  double standard.. clearly the customer is not important as they claim but Virgin’s money making is MORE important.
 
Do also NOTE that  IF I MISS ONE PAYMENT THE VIRGIN PHONE COMPANY SENDS ME A LETTER THREATENING TO send MY ACCOUNT   TO A COLLECTION AGENCY BUT YET WHEN THEY VIRGIN SCREW UP IT IS ALRIGHT, they just say they are sorry.. and what i cannot send them to a collection agency too?
 
I had completely cancelled my cell phone, and my related phone number as well on Feb 17, 2010 and as of March 15, 2010 I still got no final statement of account  by mail.. why was that??? Virgin own  inompetencies.
 
I  also do not need any more lying double talk from the  Virgin useless representatives. The customer representative next today on the phone March 15, 2010 that I talked to told me he himself  is not responsible for the bad services Virgin gave me  but only his accounting department WAS, and  so I now asked him if he really was a Virgin phone Company representative paid by Virgin and so then actually he was now also  responsible for all of his firm’s bad services. He next agreed..
 
Virgin now also does  Lies when it  says that the customer is important.. and that it provides a good customer service as well and they cheaply say they are sorry for any bad services that I have received.. I am sorry as well.. and Virgin  mere cheap words of apology is unacceptable
 
Now I was just starting to use a cell phone but clearly next I will be looking at another provider.. cause obviously holding on to your customers is not at all important to you.. especially when you seem to want to work only 9- 5 HOURS AND  on business days only  now too.. and you want days next  to get back to me about my valid complaints now too..
 
   

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AND I RIGHTFULLY ALSO DID NOT ACCEPT THE VIRGIN   STATED CRAP FOR  THE FAILURE TO ACCESS THEIR SITE  THAT IT WAS MY  FAULT OR THAT OF MY MICROSOFT BROWSER FOR I HAD NO PROBLEM ACCESSING ANY OTHER INTERNET SITE

 
VIRGIN  MOBILE ALL  CHEAP LOVE.. ALL CHEAP TALK…
 
 
“From: Hello
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 1:02 AM
Subject: We got your email! Nous avons reçu votre courriel!
 
Hey there!

Thanks for your email. It’s sitting snugly in our inbox and we’ll get to it as soon as we can.

Just so you know, there is a 2 business day turnaround time for email questions. We’ll aim to get back to you faster than that, though!

Don’t forget to check our our FAQ section at virginmobile.ca. The answer you’re looking for might already be waiting there.

Lots of love,

Virgin Mobile”

NOTE VIRGIN THIS WAS A Virgin BIG LIE-”Having a problem with your Virgin Mobile Canada phone or service? We’re here to help. Contact us.” –

 
In todays modern age such poor acts of yours are ALL very unacceptable..
 
SO DO STOP LYING AND OFFER REAL , DECENT SERVICES TO THE CUSTOMER

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On 4/1/2011 12:37 PM, Virgin Mobile Canada wrote:  Hello, Paul! Marlee here with Virgin Mobile, helping you out and getting you on track as quickly as possible is what I’m all about, However, there are times when contacting support via telephone is going to be necessary. Our Member Care Team will be more than happy to provide you with any information regarding the canceled account. As per privacy policies I am not permitted to access or provide information from within an account via email. You can touch base with Member care by dialing 1-888-999-2321. Advisers are ready to help you out 8:00 am to 12:00 am EST. Monday to Saturday and 9:00 am to 10:00 pm Sunday. Thank you for contacting support via email. Have a great weekend.
 
Regards,
Marlee
VMC Team
 
 Paul [THREAD_ID:28512378]” .
Virgin is clearly a  bunch of crappy liars and are all incompetent, pretenders, for  talked to their phone support by phone 5 days and all they did was, do lie.. they instead of cancelling my phone insisted on trying to make more money by not cancelling it.  I was promised last week by Virgin on the phone i would get my updated balance statement and the refund for my cell phone overpayment,  as well in the mail immediately mail by next week and so far I got neither.. You Virgin do all lie when you say you care about the customer and that you will service them properly even..
   
   So I now again phoned Virgin and Virgin now says in contrast that it will take up to 90 days for me to get my money back.  Virgin is stealing my money by not giving it back to me… next Virgin again promises by next week to have all of this issue resolved. Can you belive any of what they say for I do not..

 I had a similiar issue, problem with my cell phone refund with Rogers this year and they had returned my 151 dollars in one week.. something Virgin now cannot do and did not do  and they Virgin  lie and say they offer a good customer service..

Civil and public servants, and Phone cell companies employees are all very much the same,, they seem too often to lie claiming they will do a good job to get a pay but when it comes to delivering the work effectiveness promises they start to quote established polices.. buck passing excuses.
 
 

MSN Groups Technical Support.

                 

“You e-mail was forwarded to MSN Groups Technical Support. I understand that you need assistance in transferring content of your old cancelled Windows Live Space to the new Space you now next created. I understand that this is important to you. the feature of directly transferring contents from one Space to another is not an available feature in Windows Live Space. You can download any content of the old Space and reupload or repost them to the new one. We consider all of the suggestions and comments sent in by our members, and we maintain an internal database of suggestions that we consult and prioritize. We are committed to upgrading the Windows Live Spaces system to improve our service to you, and you can expect to see many improvements in the near future. We appreciate your continued support as we strive to provide you with the highest quality service available. Thank you for using Windows Live Spaces.”
 
REAL ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN MERE WORDS AND SO FAR HERE THERE AGAIN IS NOT MUCH PRACTICAL HELP STILL FROM YOU GUYS AT MICROSOFT FOR SURE..
 
Hey too many of us have dealt unsatisfactorily AND TOO OFTEN TOO with those pretentious, inadequate overseas technical support persons primary in India these days too it seems..

Can any person change? Is there hope for anyone?

Now we all seem to meet all type of persons in real life, the control freaks, verbal and human right abusers, Bullies, enslavers, liars, cheaters, imposters, pretenders, con artists too. And we often do rightfully wonder why they do not change..

Here also is what I know for sure, the older the person is the more extreme, more severe, the more difficult the punishment has to be on them to cause them to personally to change in their own negative ways, for they are too set in them now too.

Beware though — most bad persons employ false denial techniques that build more walls between them and others. so too often

THEY ALL SEEM TO NEED TO LEARN THE HARD WAY BY EVEN BEING FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS NOW TOO.

For being nice. kind, friendly to a really bad person is still also a complete waste of time, for they will not change their negative behaviors on their own, they see no reasons to do so now still too. Sad but true.

We cannot never control a bad person, a drug addict or an alcoholic, but we can learn all about it and learn firstly to control our own behavior, appropriate responses –including how we should behave in the relationship with the sick and suffering and /or possibly manipulative addict or alcoholic, abuser OR THESE pretentious persons..

Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty persons seems to be most effective way that works for everyone’s benefit in dealing with the bad acts of others still.

  
Let’s face it in life there is a positive  and a negative personal management style
  

just as there  are good and bad persons, leaches included.. such as bad lawyers, bad cops, bad pastors, bad politicians, bad technical support personnel   too..

http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/more-about-control-freaks/

 

Control freaks

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Do you yourself know when you are to be submissive to others and when you are to lead? How do you know this? Can you tell the difference between the voice of God and that of the devil now too? Most People still cannot.. sad.
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There is a very dangerous person that  we should be aware of, and even not associate with,   one who is also mainly  the devil’s follower, one  that is the self centered, sarcastic,  withdrawn silhouette control freak.  .
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Like the Apostle Judas, and they tend to do they dirty  work in the background, not transparently to all, do have a hidden bad agenda .The Last Supper specifically portrays the reaction given by each apostle when Judas is wearing green and blue and is in shadow,  looking rather withdrawn . An Apostate. Apostasy in  Christianity refers to the rejection of Christianity by someone who formerly was a Christian.;The term apostasy comes from the Greek word apostasia (“ἀποστασία”) meaning defection, departure, revolt or rebellion. It has been described as “a willful falling away from, or rebellion against Jesus Christ,  Christianity. Apostasy is the rejection of the teachings of Jesus Christ by one who has been a Christian… describing those who have  voluntarily and consciously abandoned next their  original faith in the God of  the covenant, who manifests himself most completely in Jesus Christ. “Apostasy is the antonym of conversion; it is deconversion.”
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And it seems 50 percent of once loudly professing Christians will next become Apostates, sell Jesus cause they  falsely  did not get what they wanted, even wealth,  power, fame, recognition, more sex…  http://kambulow.blogspot.ca/2013/06/are-you-not-falsely-angry.html
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– With·drawn   v. Past participle of withdraw. adj. 1. Not readily approached; remote. 2. a. Not friendly or sociable; aloof. b. Emotionally .
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– Control freak It is a serious personality disorder and is a derogatory term for a person who attempts to dictate how everything around them is to be done. A draining person.  People who feel out of control . Manipulators  The control freaks are people who are falsely terrified of any failure. Perfectionists. They can not trust that anyone to do a better job than they will. a false belief that  that if they  can change another person’s undesirable behavior, then you both will be happier or more fulfilled.  The Person  who if not in control of many aspects even in other’s lives will go ballistic. This ensues telling, demanding,and a control freak likes to claim the successes of others as their own. These people obsessively try to dictate how you’re supposed to be and feel. They have an opinion about everything; disagree at your peril. Control freaks rarely know that they are one. They believe that they are helping people with their “constructive criticism” or taking over a project because “no one else will do it right.” They spout, dictate unsolicited advice and use anger often to put you in your place. You cannot tell them what to do.; .Express to them your right to be heard, and also to do things your way too.;
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Some clear signs of the Control freaks  for your -diagnosing pleasure.

1 They try to “help them” change  by pointing it out, usually over and over.

2 They try  micromanage others to make them fit their often unrealistic expectations. They can’t accept others  imperfection they  don’t think anyone else should either.

3 They continually  judge others’ behavior as right or wrong and without love, passive-aggressively withhold attention, contact  until they fall in line with their demands,  expectations. Sitting in silent judgment  an  other form of control.

4 They offer “constructive criticism” as a veiled attempt to advance their own agenda.

5   Instead of just being themselves , they attempt to deceive others by projection  of their false   impression of   them selves

6 Fear mongers, threateners   and manipulators.

7 Know it all.

8 They  intervene on behalf of others by trying to explain or dismiss their negative behaviors to others.

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“Arguing with the control freak seldom works. Why? Because they are an expert at justifying to themselves and everyone else why they are right. They are world authorities in being “right”. They have spent whole lifetimes practicing “being right”. So trying to out-argue them can be nigh on impossible.”
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Simply  walk away – let them try rather to control others
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Many even professing Christian persons see themselves as teachers, facilitators, coordinators, leaders, when in fact they are still just dictators, bullies, some even immoral agressive jungle fighters, control freaks who need to repent.. 
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Not surprisingly many prideful people try to take the place of God in my life too, AND these imposters claim even that they have been chosen, designated by God to command over me, THAT  I am required into forced submission to their whims, desires , commands. But funny God now himself has not revealed those facts as well to me BUT  only to them. I put my trust in God and not in man.. Me I am still always rightfully actively resistant to all of the abusers, bullies, liars, even in the Church, GOVERNMENTS, CORPORATIONS, POLICE and their oppressions. etc., still too, for all it takes for evil to prosper is for good people to do nothing about it. So should we all!
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AND WHEN YOU DO NOT DO WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO THESE SAME RATHER LITTLE BAD CHILDREN INSULT YOU, SLANDER YOU, DIVORCE YOU, OSTRACIZE YOU, BAD MOUTH YOU.
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If you are a   Control freak you are not only still an unrealistic, immature, immoral person  but you  may have a serious personality disorder. 
 
You likley are a menace, plus a real danger to yourself and to others, for you are an abuser, a human rights violator too.
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I can readily recognize bad  control freaks on the net cause they want to give me advice how to write my post, what to write, in fact they want to rather  write it for me.. rather fools is what they really are.. I freely can speak for myself, write for myself now too. You readily find these freaks  also in churches, homes, etc., demonic enslavers is what they rather are too  now. Not much point in being nice to them for often they are too dumb to understand who they really are too often too… and they rarely change.
Having clearly now an exaggerated emphasis of your own self importance, being tottally in  control is part of a cluster of behaviors that can be labeled as compulsive and generally characterized by perfectionism, orderliness, workaholic tendencies, an inability to make commitments or to trust others and a real cover-up for your fear of having your own flaws exposed. You are exposed now still too.. 
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All  these type of Persons who  believe they can protect themselves by staying in control of every aspect of their lives, or of others, including their relationships are idiots, fools, grossly in error, in need of professional help, good pastoral counseling.
I rightfully  believe in the right of free speech, mine, yours, everyone else’s and not solely yours.
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Mostly all of you have had to contend with control freaks and they are found everywhere, in Corporations, at  home, in churches too..
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These are those people who insist on having their way in all interactions with you. They wish to set the agenda and decide what it is you will do and when you will do it. You know who they are – they have a driving need to run the show and call the shots. Lurking within the fabric of the conversation is the clear threat that if you do not accede to their needs and demands, they will be unhappy.. and they will delete your post…
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While in reality God has made us all equal, and GAVE US ALL MOUTHS WE CAN SPEAK WITH, EARS TO LISTEN, it seems some people, in churches, on the net, elsewhere, they  still wrongfully do think they are better than others, or want to dominate others, do try to give orders to others, do try to make rules for others  that they too often themselves do not follow too, they are in fact still bullies..  and now why is that? and who do they think they are now that they are so special? Mere fools. They mostly have a hidden agenda, they are falsely seeking fame, power, control, a position of prestige, for they are immoral slave drivers trying to walk on the back of others.
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I have already mentioned it to you rightfully and often too  before that I often get phonecall,s  letters from some persons telling me what I can and cannot write on their sites, rather them wanting to write all of my posts too it seems.
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So many disturbed persons are now disturbed by the contents of my posts, so these  ostriches try to find a false excuse not to deal with it, and try to instead falsely delete it. The control freaks  emotional stakes includes their own identity and sense of well-being. Being in control gives them the temporary illusion and sense of calmness, a false feeling of superiority. and what fools they are when in reality they are so far from it now too.
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Control freaks or Bullies, abusers, wrongfully do cause  others stress so they can maintain a false sense of order.
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These people themselves firstly are still riddled mostly with anxiety, fear, insecurity, and anger. They’re very critical of themselves their lover and their friends, but underneath all that still too that supposedly perfect outfit and great body is a mountain of real unhappiness, unresolved guilt, disturbed person who   need professional help. Help them to get it.. inform their superiors.
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Certainly, it’s natural to want to be in control of your life. But when you have to be in control of the people around you as well, well you have gone crazy, become a fool, a demonic controlled person who can’t rest until you get your way and you are headed down a very bumpy ride, it is easier to try to control yourself, and impossible to control all the others.(1 Cor 9:27 KJV)  But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
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Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
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Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass overIs 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts; and let him return to the Lord, and He will have love, pity, {and} mercy for him, and to our God, for He will multiply to him His abundant pardon. 8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, says the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts.
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Is 56:10 watchmen are blind, they are all without knowledge; they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; dreaming, lying down, they love to slumber.
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The need to control is almost always fueled by anxiety – though control freaks seldom recognize their fears. At work, they may worry about failure. In relationships, they may worry about not having their needs met. To keep this anxiety from overwhelming them, they try to control the people or things around them. They have a hard time with negotiation and compromise and they can’t stand imperfection. Needless to say, they are difficult to live with, work with and/or socialize with.
 
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   “Those who demand the most often give the least.”  Ask them to send you something or do something for you. By asking something of them, you will be indicating that you are not intimidated or diminished by their behavior patterns. In order to not feel degraded, humiliated and have your sense of self and self worth assaulted, you need to avoid being bulldozed by a controlling lover, boss or friend. When you are caught up in a truly destructive/controlling attachment, the best response may still also still be to expose them and to call the police and also walk out.
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In generally in the more liberal freedom loving society of Canada both the wife and the children tend to have much more freedom, rights, make their own decisions,  over many other countries and as a result the culture shock is a very real problem for some new immigrant spouses where the husband was used to being obeyed, and being the sole head of the home  thus  it’s not altogether uncommon for some of the new immigrant  home situations to become  unacceptably violent.
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 IT IS NOW MORE  RARE BUT I DO ALSO NOW STILL GET BULLIED BY RELIGIOUS BULLIES,  ABUSERS TOO..   not just by the past bad cops
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The WRONGFULLY STILL Unrepentant  bully’s problem is that he or she is one of those bad persons  who only feels truly alive when voicing hostility and contempt for his “enemies.” Without that, he or she starts gasping for air. It’s his nature.. self-destructive” ..  clearly these immoral  Bully, Basher of others, Abusers of others has a disappointed, deflated ego, negative self worth,  most likely related to past unresolved guilt, as a result  of  that   the bully, he or she, tries falsely to   build  their ego up by bashing, hating others, by being an antagonists against  his proclaimed enemies, which too often also  is most people , for  he or she no longer trust anyone, and Abusers this is a common very typical approach, fact in the character build up of Bullies, Bashers, but their approach is futile, the subsequent feeling of self worth dissipates too quickly, are actually replaced by guilt,  and his ego, self worth likely needs to be recharged with new hate.. and is replaced with more and larger hatred of the others.  I have seen this type of wrong behavior not just in bad managers, bad politicians, bad persons, but  in alcoholics, and most often in Albertan rednecks ,but also  in religious   fundamentals evangelicals who promote hated towards Pentecostal Christians as well, and  now as well as the crooked pastor wrongfully  fighting for control over others. Public exposure and prosecution of these bad persons here too services everyone’s best interest.
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Here also is what I know for sure, the older the person is the more extreme, more severe, the more difficult the punishment has  to be on them to cause them to personally to change in their own  negative ways, for they are too set in them now too.
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Dealing effectively with complaints, problems, bad service , ISP provider-

The company has also adopted rebranded its Bell ExpressVu, Sympatico and residential service in favour of Bell TV, Bell Internet and Bell Home Phone.
 
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Subject: Dealing effectively with complaints, problems, bad service , ISP provider-
The Written Complaints are always an important way to identify areas of much needed improvement, and  they can lead to significant  improvements eventually.
 
You might be so dissatisfied with your phone company, ISP provider, or whatever? and next most persons will simply transfer their account  immediately  to another firm, another service provider entirely, but beware you may still have to deal with the penalty for breaking the contract,  and in reality such an approach does not do anything to alleviate or likely help the same problem that many other customers next will also have. If you help  to deal with it all now properly it may all take more  time but in the end it will generally, if done right, next  bring positive changes and great regards for  and from other now as well.
 
Some of the most common areas of complaints, difficulty are as follow:
  • Advertisements – for complaints about the truth, accuracy, ethics or legality of advertisements, as well as confusing or unclear labeling directions, contact the Minister of Consumer Affairs
  • Bills – for complaints about problems with your phone bill, or ISP in the first instance you should contact the telephone or ISP  service provider. If you are not satisfied with their response then contact not only the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman   but many others as well.. You might also want to contact the nearest office of your federal, state, provincial consumer affairs ministry now too..
  • Fixed Line or Mobile Phone Contracts – The actual contract that supplies you with a mobile or fixed line telephone is a trade agreement. These come under contract law and contracts are sometimes disputed as being either unfair or unfulfilled. In these cases, again you should firstly contact the organization with whom you signed the contract. If you are not satisfied with their response then again, contact the nearest office of the Department of Consumer affairs.
  • The Quality of the Telephone Service or ISP now . Again, in the first instance you should always take up any complaint regarding the quality of the telephone service with your service providers as well as to the others.
  • Radio and Television Program Content For radio or television broadcast program content (not advertising), the federal  Broadcasting Authority  is generally responsible for ensuring that programs ‘reflect community standards’. They all will  asks that you first make your complaint directly to the broadcaster concerned. They say that if a station fails to answer your written complaint within thirty days, or if you are otherwise still not happy with their response, you should then contact them,
How to Make an Effective Complaint –   General Rules
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The first simple, honest step is to contact the organization that you do have the problem with, and to tell them next preferably always  in writing next too, specially  that you want to make a complaint and you are also going to detail it in writing to them and to many others for further references now too.
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Before making the specific contact, – make sure you do now have a clear idea about exactly what you are going to ask them. tell them. Do generally take some detailed, specific notes and do have them in front of you so you don’t get distracted or next forget any part of the essential information you want to share with them too. If possible,  do also have a proposed resolution to your complaint that you would be fully happy with  and present this to them too. Assemble a pen first now, and all the information that might be necessary for you to refer to, in front of you, out it all  in writing on  a page even before you call, including the initial telephone number, account number and billing address and next also the subsequent references given to you. . If you are calling about a specify phone or ISP account, bill, try to make sure you have a reference copy of it in front of you. The more prepared you are for the first telephone call, the more likely  you will also need it when you have call back again later. Rarely does even phone call or one letter suffice. Do talk also to your friends, neighbors, and do also see if they had the same problem now too.
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You do try to phone them firm first and follow it up with a confirming letter next too.  Do Stay in control always without being interrupted or distracted by the others. State your case as calmly as possible, and note this do even repeat it to them especially  if they are not listening to you, or if they as usual falsely try to lie to you, try to divert the topics, your complaint now. However, you should always plan to make a telephone call when you are feeling in full control, time  to deal with the problem..
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Have a pen and paper ready in front of you. Take note always of the date and tie time you call, how long you waited before your call was answered, how long you had talked for  and the name of the person you spoke to. In the future it might be even helpful for you to monrtstily bill the same  firm for wasting your time in their not addressing the problem. That should get their notice now next  too and show how serious you are in getting the problems, conflict resolve in an adequate manner now still too.

Remember always that when presenting  most complaints it takes  some time, prepare to be ready for the time to pass, but do know also as to how to handle the false delays. Send them always  next with a copy to others a reminder letter, email that you are waiting for an adequate response to your specific complaint for a start.

When any person  does  experience service or equipment problems, their resulting dissatisfactions,  complaints now can be  often even more compounded by them not being able to directly firstly to talk to or to deal with anyone that is really helpful about the problem, in a position of authority to do so now,  even firstly now without waiting for hours on the telephone for a firm’s initial or subsequent responses – note the delays sometimes this is a deliberate act by the firms to discourage you from initially now making the complaint. The reality  thus often still is that you may always need to wait a long while before your phone call is answered and if you can’t now really wait, your next numerous unsuccessful attempts also to speak with someone will ultimately not only  waste your time but will also increase your frustration.  Anger can be a common reaction the reality that the  service and equipment problems  that too often are not quickly and effectively solved, or one too often being cut off over and over again, or rather buck passed,  transferred to others again and again, or put on hold or the telephone phones are answered by electronically generated voice systems that lyingly promise to return your call now are also rightfully extremely annoying..
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A common false tactic  now used by too  many firms, municipalities, services is to try to cut you off  the phone or your post , by lyingly finding some excuse to deal with you even like saying that you are rude or what ever. Merely repeat to them calmly your specific request stating that you want to talk to someone that can effectively help you with your  specific complaints and can you be passed  to that person, manager? If at any time you feel you are becoming upset, cool down, and remind yourself why you are calling, what you are doing. Simply  using the free , holding time to write down  the basic complaints,  details even for their later use if nerd be. Ask for their name, the name of their managers, and their email now as well and tell them you intend to write about it, posting your complaint to others, on the net as well. If they cut you off, a normal course of action from the much too many  bad firms and their bad customer service departments these days too now, persist and get a proper mailing address still.
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Complaining by phone, or face to face  generally means there is no undeniable record of the event, even that it had now ever occurred, transpired. Some how many more persons next do tend to be responsive when the see the undeniable complaint in writing, but not always. Thus the Follow up letters are also generally essential. Do always  resort to writing letters with copies to the related managers, and your local elected representatives, news media so they too ALL  can be informed and ALL CAN act upon it.
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The problem also with using just the phone to deal with a complaint, is that there is no record of what really has happened especially when the outcomes now are too often mostly negative. Do still understand that there are much too many unrepentant, pretentious firms that hire too many liars to defy the complaints, truths. Even here your witnessed  public exposure will help to bring this out into the open, to light so others can deal with it effectively too. No one can deny your own personal witness if detailed in writing now too. The Pen is always mightier than the sword still too these days.
Appropriate disclosures to the right parties, the persons who have the power to make changes, executives, news media, elected officials, regulating bodies too  can work wonders next too.
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A good complaint letter will probably help you to get the best results quicker. A signed written complaint, with at least your full name, address and telephone number  is always  important, effective even on one made by e-mail. You should receive an adequate, serious  written response within a reasonable time period at the most within 30 days at the most if not sooner. It is always best to write a letter to the company outlining your concerns, an email is acceptable as long as you send copies of it to others. Do also  Request that they reply to your complaint in writing and keep their letter in case you need it in future.
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According to Ellen Phillips, author of Shocked, Appalled and Dismayed! How to Write Letters of Complaint, the most effective letters of complaint include some of these five key elements:
  1. Direct a copy of the the letter to the highest-ranking person in the organization as well and to the Consumer and Government Organizations as well:
  2. Construct a strong opening sentence even as to what you want, expect  from them, and do sate it to be done within a reasonable period of time too.
  3. Describe the problem complaint  concisely and factually including any steps you have already taken
  4. Clearly do also  Imply that the company will not only  lose your business but hat of many  others too for you will share it with them too. Tell them  that  you also now cannot be sued by anyone of posting or for telling the truth. That you also do welcome any subsequent threats of a lawsuit as it will being the whole matter into the open and give it more much  needed publicity too.
  5. Do Place all the responsibility for resolving  the complaints with the recipient and their related mangers even for their rightfully blame in their  failure to solve the problem you had rightfully addressed to them already too.
If the telephone or internet service provider does not solve your problem you could also contact one of the  relevant external complaint-handling agencies: If any of them now do not resolve your problem for you in a way that you are happy with, you can and often should take the process even a step further and all in writing now too, meanwhile also making the whole process publically posted on the internet, available to the news media and the local elected officials will also help to weed out the much too many pretentious pretentious bad   regulators as well. I have rightfully followed all this myself too now. The darkness tends to hate the light , being exposed to all.

YOUR RIGHT TO END THE CONTRACT WHEN IT CHANGES. When your contract with your mobile, internet, fixed-line or VoIP (net phone) service provider changes, often you will have a right to end the contract early without having to pay additional fees (eg cancellation or termination fees). Your original contract has been breached, changed if monthly access fees or call rates increase and also if download limits or free monthly call credits have been reduced. Firms that breach a contract can now also expect a penalty payment now to you as well for doing so. See also basic contract laws.

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/basic-contract-law/ http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/18/on-how-to-deal-with-it/ http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/hanging-up-on-early-exit-fees/

About contracts mer.vic.gov.au/CA256EB5000644CE/page/Shopping+Trading+%26+Pricing-Contracts-About+Contracts?OpenDocument&1=920-Shopping+Trading+%26+Pricing~&2=110-Contracts~&3=0-About+Contracts~

If for example you entered into a 24 month mobile phone contract and after say 2 months your call rates increased, you will have a right to cancel the contract and not have to pay a cancellation or early termination fee. If your service provider refuses to waive a cancellation/termination fee in these circumstances, you can contact the others

Taking the Problem next to an External complaints, regulating Agency can be really cumbersome, and also even take a long time, so contact the local news media first. You can Search the internet for the news media editors  contacts and your local elected officials now too.
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Public exposure and prosecuting of the major guilty, bad persons, firms, serves everyone’s best interest always too. Being now still nice to any of the bad guys is a total waste of time for they next still have no reasons to make any of the much needed positive changes.
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As a consumer, it is often still difficult to know where to go to resolve complaints,  disputes, especially if something you have bought goes wrong, the cost of going to court, the hassle,  it is often more than your purchase is worth but  now there is a much cheaper and often effective approach, use the internet, for all justice is not necessary better handle in the court of laws, and that approach is still full  public exposure.
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So how is the clearly unacceptable immoral Bell Sympatico now still handling all of my rightful 280 letter of  complaints to them, and when can I get proper responses from all of the parties concerned now too, even in the government? Or do I still have to write about it to all over and over again even on the net?
 
 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, Corporations  who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress   you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/buyer-beware-beware/

“It’s all to convince to convey that Bell is and has gotten better,” Bell Mobility president Wade Oosterman said in an interview.

But telecom analyst Carmi Levy of AR Communications said the changes will have little impact unless they are accompanied by a dramatic improvement to customer service.

“You can change your logo and you can change the name of your offering until the cows come home but if you don’t change the fundamental way that you operate, then the rebranding effort will be for not,” the Toronto-based analyst said in an interview.

He said Bell needs to be less adversarial and aggressive with customers and more responsive to their needs.

“This needs to be just the first salvo in an ongoing effort to become a softer friendlier company to deal with.”

New Bell chief executive George Cope has promised to improve customer service as it completely overhauls the vast business. The Montreal-based company recently announced plans to shed 15 per cent of management and sell non-core assets.

 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/%e2%80%9ccanada%e2%80%99s-worst-cell-phone-bill%e2%80%9d/

No Hidden Agenda

Don’t make the mistake thinking, believing that all of these supposedly professing Christian Internet  sites have no hidden agenda, or that they are fair, honest, and they do allow everyone to talk openly freely on the posted subject now too, or the rather too often the posted lies and distortions. Best way to catch a sucker is with live, good looking bait still too. For in reality too often the right of FREE SPEECH that right still that is not so for all of us. Not on the all of the  professing Christians sites now as well..
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Speaking of hidden agendas. And what are some common examples of them? Promotion of self? Promotion of pet theology? Basing others to make oneself feel better hopefully? Working for the devil? etc.,

“Pride and humility are two of the most basic distinguishing characteristics between the true and the false.” http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:mzLW88CKXgYJ:www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/5039+Elijah+list+Rick+Joyner

BUT FOR SURE YOU CAN FIRST  ADD TO THAT  “the real love of others” or rather too often it’s lack of thereof?

>>”I firmly believe that Latter Rainers like Wagner, Bentley, et al all subscribe to the idea that Christ will return in Spirit only which in essence denies his incarnation identifying them as antichrist.” http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/rick-joyner-the-apostle-paul-and-the-antichrist/

DO NOTE  HERE ABOVE WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW THE AUTHOR  HAD FALSELY DESIGNATED HIS OPINION AS BEING THAT OF HIS OPPONENTS.. but the author did not mention if  he had contacted the person he was talking with firstly before as well, or of he had sent to him a copy of the DISSECTION now too? To be fair, and decent about it all too.

still such  unsubstantiated false presuppositions statement of his  now destroys any creditability he  may want us too believe he now has firstly too!!

Before anyone tries to bash  EVEN the Pentecostals still..

TELL ME HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN GOING TO A PENTECOSTAL CHURCH FIRSTLY ? FOR HOW MANY YEARS TOO?

IF YOU HAD READ MY POSTS YOU WOULD HAVE ALSO KNOWN I ALREADY HAVE SAID THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY.. THE TRUTH AND THE DISTORTION..

Like I have said…Now too often I myself also do not agree with the comments, free speech, but I merely tend to disregard it it next..

but what I do rightfully oppose still any and all free speech especially on the so called Christian Churches Internet sites, that is lying, slanderous, insulting, abusive, bullying, bashing.. such as the false bash of Pentecostals by the Brethren, Baptists, Reformed, etc., haters. Or the supposedly evangelical Baptist pastor who had said in the pulpit that he could not understand what Hitler did that was so bad, I helped to fire him , he now sells life insurance instead..

So many Churches, sites claim to be the sole Christian truth now these days, they are using the same Bible too, they even claim they are non denominational Christians, but they do still preach a different Jesus, a different Bible, a different sound too.. and their theology is easily identifiable too clearly as dispensationalist, Baptist or Brethren as well.. and not honestly a non denominational one as they had claimed to all even this listed site included now.. are guilty of deciet. I firmly and rightfully do believe that all of these Pentecostals bashers, bullies, do know of God, but they personally still do not know Him.

In love the Pentecostal bashers, critics under disguise of supposedly posting the truth, who mostly still do use the same unoriginal, ungodly, lame-brained, fool’s types of arguments, are not only clearly dishonest, uninspired, boring but they do also mostly have a personal agenda that is so transparent that sadly they are a basic embarrassment, their agenda clear involves the fact want to uplift themselves, their own gospel, sect, denomination mostly still as well. In love they should really read and practice the whole Bible firstly themselves.   

http://christiantheology.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/god-said-to-me/ When people attempt to subjectively add to that word, by saying God said this or God told me that, they may be in danger of becoming false prophets? So are also many of the poeople who deny that God had spoken to the others.. all as simple as that too..      

God speaks to us through many ways.. He speaks through his words, the Bible, through his holy spirit, through pastors, through others, through other means.. but no matter how God now speaks to us we all do need to be the ones open to hear him and to also to obey him in what he says, plus to continually seek Him continuously and to seek His way. Whether he speaks in a still small voice, or in a a loud external voice, he still speaks to us all today.. By the way I can tell the difference between God is speaking to me, the Holy Spirit is speaking to me and Jesus speaking to me too, or the devil, or my own thoughts, and can we all ?

 

Clearly one of the unique, great, valid emphasis of the Pentecostals from the other denominations is also their emphasis on personally hearing God speak. even personally and collectively speaking to us, verbally individually or in a collective setting by prophecy.   

For a complete discussion on the Voice of the Lord, see My Sheep Hear My Voice.  We all must strive unto perfection unto Holiness but the truth in Christ is we can never be free from sin totally here on earth, for we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the power in us may be manifested as coming from God and not from us, http://pbulow.tripod.com/voice.html  http://www.hallvworthington.com/teacher.html
   
Just cause God chose not to speak to you does not mean he God does not speak to others still too.  Sadly also everyone not only does not practice what they preach to others, and/or claims to be preaching the Gospel, using the same Bible, rather is tends to be the Gospel, the Bible according to them too often and not the one according to the Holy Spirit. We all now still should really get back to the Bible personally, and stop listening to mere men, and learn to listen to God and his Holy spirit

still the unsubstantiated false presuppositions, distortions, false accusations of the accuser of the brethren , the Devil himself destroys any creditability he may want us too believe that he has firstly

LOVE, Meekness and Humility: God’s Cure for Pride, Arrogance and Haughtiness.

The other day someone had written and said that Christians should be in one accord based on doctrines and truths.. God says it should be rather one accord in prayer and love..

Doctrines rather too often still are a false excuse to divorce, not to fellowship with another Christian brother for whom I still really have no love for myself and rather than deal with myself and admit the reality, I deny it by divorcing him or her…

(Gal 5:24 KJV) And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

and you can include those too often common now still ungodly, unholy doctrinal, denominational wars in the churches and on the internet now too.

There is a false holiness. It looks like the real thing, but the more you look into it, you see the error… and there is also a false Christian profession too, false submissions, false assertiveness or aggressiveness, not just false preaching, even a false Jesus Christ that is being worshipped, one that is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible.. some people even still do preach out of guilt, shame, ambition and not out of love. Preaching is not an acceptable alternative to living the Bible daily oneself.

Like I have said many a times too sadly still, one mistake by a Catholic, Pentecostal, Charismatic preacher and it is undeniable, clearly seems even on the net too that the other professing Christians are quick and ready to kill the wounded, to even bury them with further lies, distortions, slanders.. and what ever! The reaction of these still rather other bad guys is quite revealing, it firstly shows they have no love themselves too. That kind of approach won’t do much for the critics’ own positive feeling of personal self worth, self esteem too. They clearly must really hate themselves next for doing so as well. So what happened to the Biblical instruction of personally showing love, staying humble, meek too?

>>Spurgeon on the Christian Soldier’s Great Love

I am honest enough to admit that I do  have a problem with Spurgeon, how could this man of God who said he loves God, others supossedly, he  himself was not be able to stop smoking cigars now?
.. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/hard-to-tell-the-difference/

  

(Gal 6:1 KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

(Mat 5:5 KJV) Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

(Mat 11:29 KJV) Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

http://beyondfaith.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/for-fun-and-prophet/    “It is possible that God could grant anyone today the gift of prophecy; He is God and can do whatever He deems needed for mankind. With that being said, it is very unlikely that He does so though.” .. and this is absolute absurd Bible reinterpreation now  still too..

(Mat 10:41 KJV)  He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.

 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

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