The really Bad Alliance , Evangelical churches..

Chrsitian and Missionary Alliance still in the church snatching business

Jesus said we should be gentle as doves and wise as serpents. Christians are doing a horrible job of being wise, at variance with this solemn commandment.

We need to be aware that the emergent church movement is completely out of keeping with biblical principles and is ungodly. This is why we have liberal mega-churches gobbling up small defenseless churches that are still true to the gospel of Jesus. I have warned elsewhere that almost all denominations, including those purporting to be “conservative,” are part of this emergent church movement and are slowly taking over the true church. We are thus returning to the situation in the Europe that we escaped from to avoid persecution — where the State church demanded allegiance to it. We are on our way to a state church here in America. Beware! It will be the end of religious freedom and the beginning of tyranny right here under our noses.

Donald Hank

September 22, 2008

Christian & Missionary Alliance Leader Named in Fraud & Extortion Scheme

District Superintendent Wayne Spriggs Seizes Reedsville Bank Account and Church Property

On the heels of the C&MA Headquarters being sued for stealing $18,000 bank account and $650,000 church property of a Chinese church in Colorado Springs, and more recently a Vietnamese Boat People Church, in Long Beach California, the Eastern Pennsylvania District of the C&MA as now hijacked another church.  This time in Reedsville, Pennsylvania, spearheaded by Wayne Spriggs, District Director, who has a history of threatening people.

The Summary Letter by former C&MA Credentialed Pastor Bob Iddings, Reedsville Christian & MIssionary Alliance Church, Reedsville, Pennsylvania:

“SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOF TOP”

But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand. (Eze 33:6 AV)
 
The Christian and Missionary Alliance has seized another church, its parsonage and its bank account, this time by the hands of Wayne Spriggs, District Superintendent of the Eastern Pennsylvania District of the Christian and Missionary Alliance and its District Executive Committee (DEXCOM). 
 
A disgruntled adherent from our church who was displeased when she did not get her way, called our District Superintendent, Wayne Spriggs, and insisted on a congregational meeting in an attempt to have me removed from the church and “to ruin me”.  Although a congregational meeting was not held, what was to follow was a nightmare for our church adherents and myself.
 
It was a known fact by our District Superintendent that another church in our community who was currently renting space was interested in our church property, which we feel was at the root of what was to ensue, as Wayne Spriggs is attempting to close many of our small churches to acquire money to fund start up of new mega/emergent churches which he believes is the direction our churches should be going.  He is opposed to the small churches and feels that they lack the ability and resources to evangelize.
 
Wayne Spriggs knowing that I am a man who stands for what he believes, forced my hand by demanding certain requirements to be met by myself and my church people or face closure of the church. He knew we would not agree to his terms, thus forcing my resignation.  However, he did not allow us the time we asked for to prepare for closure, but came to our church one Sunday evening with the news the church would be closed, and the next day came and confiscated all financial records and immediately went to the bank and withdrew all the churches funds.  Although the church was slated to close in two weeks, there was never another service held at the church and the church adherents were not notified, only to come to the church the following Sunday to find a sign on the door that there would be no services for the next two weeks. 
 
During this time, Wayne made accusations of misconduct on my part to have DEXCOM issue a decree that I was forbidden to attend prayer conference scheduled during the same week he closed the church.  This was done in an attempt to keep other churches and pastors from knowing what had happened.  During the months that followed, Wayne refused to allow me to attend meetings held by DECOM and LO&CC concerning my situation and when I was asked to meetings with a few of his hand chosen representatives, I was not permitted to bring anyone with me as a witness and I was denied written copies of minutes of those meetings.  In addition, when I was cleared of all charges, Wayne immediately had LO&CC suspend my license for failure to follow through with his demands without following proper procedures set forth by the constitution of the C&MA.  Although I had challenged him on several occasions concerning his mishandling of the proper procedures to be followed, he chose to disregard my concerns and proceeded forward with his erroneous handling of the situation.  I later appealed this to our National Office who found that proper procedures were not followed and asked that he reinstate my license, which he refused to do until I wrote a letter resigning my credentials with the C&MA.                    
 
During this entire ordeal, our family was going through a crisis with our daughter who was facing surgery the day after we were told the church would close for possible iliac cancer.  Wayne showed no compassion for our situation, nor did he or anyone from the district ever inquire about my daughter’s condition or situation.  His only concern was that we be out of the parsonage by May 31st, of which he reminded us on several occasions.  He lacked any concern for the fact that we had no job, no income and limited time to find housing due to our family crisis.
 
The Christian and Missionary Alliance is no longer true to the scriptural principles on which it was founded.  They are embracing the emergent church movement and will not hesitate to enforce their reversionary clauses and liquidate any churches assets or confiscate funds in order to move forward with their new agenda and fund these new churches.  Let this serve as a warning, your church could be next!!!    Robert Iddings, former Christian & Missionary Alliance pastor

This hostile takeover by the C&MA is nothing new, but in fact, follows a well published pattern of devouring their own brothers in Christ.  Here are two recent pending cases:  The C&MA’s seizure of the C&MA Chinese church story entitled: ”Suing for Reconciliation” is available in Christianity Today Magazine [See: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/june/3.16.html]  and the Colorado Springs Gazette: “Congregation Suing District after its Home is Sold”  [see: http://www.gazette.com/articles/congregation_38941___article.html/district_home.html].  Also read the comments on that article.  Here is one of oft recommend posts by Rocksalt [see other posts too]:
“My highest commendation to Gazette Reporter Marc Barna..his story was NO SPIN…very balanced! I wrote three documentaries on the C&MA. The truth about what the C&MA did is even more sinister and evil than the article reflects. The account by the Chinese members is correct. A public relations nightmare for the C&MA either way the court case goes. One clarification re The “Reversion Clause” is that “accredited”, though it makes it much easier to hijack the church then when it is merely “affiliated”, it is not license, due process, and the absence of fraud and arbitrariness must prevail in exercising the reversion clause…even the C&MA Constitution states this. For a complete report on the C&MA’s seizure of the Chinese church and the more recent seizure of another ethnic church and its even larger bank account by the C&MA which was a Vietnamese Boat People church in Long Beach, California, and the investigation of C&MA VIce President John Soper, contact rock.salt@verizon.net

The Vietnamese hostile takeover story will be in an upcoming issue of District Weekly in Long Beach, California.

Full report of Christian & Missionary Alliance denomination hijacking of Reedsville Christian and Missionary Alliance Church is available at:

http://www.purposedrivel.com/2008/09/c-seizing-churchesassets-of-faithful.html

 http://laiglesforum.com/2008/09/23/chrsitian-and-missionary-alliance-still-in-the-church-snatching-business/

http://laiglesforum.com/2008/09/22/the-evangelical-church-becoming-corrupt-culturally-irrelevant/

Note this is the denominational church of Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper,  and if this is what his church now is like, what is he realy like himself?

 Sadly for many years I have had nothing bad bad experience with 4 of the Canadian Christian Missionary Alliance churches, and they had lied to me, abused me.. undeniable facts I have detailed to all the Canadian members of Parliament, and to the major Canadian News editors, and posted it on the net.. this was a church composed mostly of liars, thieves, imposters and pretenders in my witness… it is not real a Real Christian Church for sure.

  Here is what I know for sure in Canada proper policing, management ,  supervision  human rights commissions are a real fact of life, society, in schools, life,  in churches, governments, commerce, institutions, civil and public services, professional services too,  and elsewhere, even on the net,  for you will always have those 30 percent at least of the persons who will try to cheat, lie  , steal, bend the rules, falsely believe they are above the laws, Self  regulation alone is too often pretentious, farcical, often not applied as well. That applies especially to the professionals, civil and public services, police, municipalities, politicians now as well..

 

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/prime-minister-stephen-harper-and-the-federal-conservative-party-of-canada/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/prime-minister-sets-our-watchdogs-on-the-press/

War crimes fugitive Radovan Karadzic has been arrested

 
“War crimes fugitive Radovan Karadzic has been arrested in Serbia 13 years after he was first indicted. The Bosnian Serb wartime leader, one of the world’s most wanted men, was taken into custody by the Serbian security services, Serbian President Boris Tadic’s office said in a statement.  “Karadzic was located and arrested,” the statement said. He was detained and taken to see judges of the war crimes court.  Karadzic is twice indicted for genocide for the 43-month siege of Sarajevo which claimed 12,000 lives and for orchestrating the 1995 massacre of some 8,000 Muslims at Srebrenica, the worst atrocity in Europe since World War Two. “
  
Canada’s political news stories today are not that dramatic, rather mundane, boring, both the Liberals and the Conservatives are putting us slowly to sleep so the so called prophet’s, writers, spin doctors are now  busy trying to generate our interest in the middle of another boring summer by trying to predict when the next federal election will come and who will win it?  Most Canadians still do want a good government, and what we’ve got right now is again far from it.
  
At least the Internet itself now is changing the politic scene, not only in the United States, but here  at home in Canada as well. The growing influence of the Internet in politics cannot be denied especially with the younger voters who see the internet as their first source of political feedback.. But “Only 35 percent of Americans  over age 65 are online, according to data from April and May compiled by the Pew Internet Project at the Pew Research Center.”  “But when you account for factors like race, wealth and education, the  picture changes dramatically. “About three-quarters of white,  college-educated men age over 65 use the Internet,” said  Susannah Fox,  director of the project.
  
The Internet as a tool for news, information, opinions, and entertainment  continues to grow. And I have been using it for decades myself as a political expression  ever since it had first started now too. ” 
 
” Nik Nanos, of Nanos Research states, “Considering the Conservatives have   thrown everything including the kitchen sink at the Liberals and they are  still mired in a dead heat must make one pause. If attacks ads, tax cuts,  and being recognized as a competent and a solid government by average  Canadians isn’t enough to win support for the Conservatives, what will? ” 
 
“Here’s a tip for those of you who are responsible for Conservative.ca, you’re  not in the opposition anymore, time to drop the childish taunting (Bullying)  (and poor design) and act like the government.” But Conservatives still rather tend to be bullies, who cannot change their sport, spots and clearly they do not know now to govern even, never mind a decent sales and marketing program even.. “
 
“It would seem that the Conservatives have still not shed the attitude or  tone of an opposition party. They have been masterful in their daily tactics  and attacks but more than two years into their mandate, the average Canadian  would likely be hard pressed to describe what a Stephen Harper Canada would  look like in ten years.  Could it be that it is time for the Conservatives to start offering  Canadians more information than simply insulting Liberal leader Stephane  Dion?” again and again?
  
Most of the civic, provincial  and federal politicians seem still to have too little integrity and some too often for my liking next have been  shamelessly forced to leave politics because of an exposed scandal. Not another  role model as well even is the current- the Conservative Surrey-North candidate Dana  Cadman, the wife of former Surrey-North MP Chuck Cadman   who changed stories about whether her husband was offered a  bribe by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, presumably to keep her good standing  with her party but at the same time betraying Surrey journalist Tom Zytaryk  who broke the story in a biography of her late husband.   
  
Truly many Canadians seem to like to elect the liars and they falsely become disjointed when they do not keep their promises next too often.. So again most Canadians have become bored ostriches and they have almost entirely ignored the passing of a minor landmark: Stephen Harper’s minority government is now experiencing a longevity that no other minority regime ever has. So what!! Many others have rightfully suggested that  the reason the government hasn’t fallen lies in the sad state of affairs within the Liberal party, especially with it’s non inspiring leader. To me that is no surprise, after all he too now was part of the boring Liberal Jean Chrétien government that too only pretended to care about the equal good welfare of all Canadians.., and most of voters certainly don’t appear to have enough confidence in Dion’s faltering command of the Liberal party to give the party a Governing majority.Stephen Harper himself now is as bad  as they come,  not the best prime minister in history, and definitely shows no signs of becoming now stronger, rather one foot forward and one foot backwards has been his Parties ongoing progress too. Definitely his party is unlikely to obtain a majority government if the current sad Conservative state of affairs remains likely unchanged. It’s probably best to say the current regime will stay in power because no immediate better alternative exists. Yes” The length of this government can hardly be considered anything but a poor sign for our nation’s future”, present as well .The governing Conservatives have discovered something of late: Their modus operandi – politics as war – isn’t working as it used to.

Mean while even acording to the  The Hill Times Guy Giorno, Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s new chief of staff, too now  has started to shake up some ofthe fderal Cabinet ministers’ offices as well. Now at least three Cabinet ministers had changed their chiefs of staff , Cabinet chiefs of staff  Industry Minister Jim Prentice, Immigration Minister Diane Finley and Agriculture minister Gerry Ritz also hire new chiefs of staff. Now that is not unusual.. what is consistent is though the New Conservatives continue to hire friends into office, good paying jobs too,  something they had promised if elected they would not do.. 
 
– Aaron Gairdner, chief of staff to Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz (Battlefords-Lloydminster, Sask.), took over from Lynette Corbett. Mr. Gairdner,  is married to Stacey Gairdner, executive assistant to Laureen Harper. Mr. Gairdner served as chief of staff to then-defence minister Gordon O’Connor (Carleton-Mississippi Mills, Ont.)  Mr. Gairdner joined Mr. Bernier’s office   and prior to the last federal election held in January 2006, Mr. Gairdner worked in the Harper OLO.- Stephen Kelly is the new chief of staff to Industry Minister Jim Prentice (Calgary Centre-North, Alta.) and succeeds Jean-Sébastien Rioux. Mr. Kelly, prior to being appointed as the new chief of staff to Mr. Prentice, was working for Mr. Bernier as a senior policy adviser as was Mr. Fraser who was serving as director of communications in the same office.- Mike Fraser is the new chief of staff to Citizenship and Immigration Minister Diane Finley (Haldimand-Norfolk, Ont.) and succeeds John Weissenberger. Meanwhile, prior to these most recent changes last week, the Prime Minister’s Office appointed three other new chiefs of staff during the previous week.- Elizabeth Dodds is the new chief of staff to Government House Leader Peter Van Loan (York-Simcoe, Ont.) and succeeds Norm McIntosh.- Neil Brodie is the new chief of staff to International Trade Minister Sen. Michael Fortier, and takes over for Claude Alain.- Jacques Fauteux, former deputy director of communications, was hired as the chief of staff to James Moore (Port Moody-Westwood-Port Coquitlam, B.C.), secretary of state for Official Languages, the Asia-Pacific Gateway Strategy and the 2010 Olympic Games. Mr. Moore was promoted to the position of secretary of state last month. Meanwhile, back in the PMO, Mr. Giorno has also made a number of staff adjustments in a variety of departments, 
  
and the Conservative circus continues.. More than mere face  changes are needed for the Conservatives now as well.. for I too do really do rightfully dislike all leaders, bad  politicians who hire people to work on their re-election campaigns instead of looking after the good welfare of all Canadians now still too, and who are they fooling as to what they are doing now but themselves..

“The politics of destruction has run its course..  momentum, which was once on the Conservatives’ side, has been drifting away. Their penchant for destructive politics has hurt them ethically. But more than that, because they have placed so much emphasis on battlefield tactics, they have little in the policy vault with which to move forward. .. A veteran pollster was saying last week that, if an election were held today, the Tories would likely find themselves on the opposition benches.” Hopefully also in jail now next too.

 

 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/pm-stephen-harper-needs-to-get-better-friends-needs-to-repent-himself-too/

 

U.N. schemes often to make Christians criminals

 

Some people say that the U.N. schemes often  to make Christians criminals, and so do gays and others it seems. So what elses is new?

  Naturally no one doubts that the UN is basically not at all not a Christian organization, rather it is also now still made up too many self seeking opportunists, even too many persons trying to find false issues to bash others and to promote themselves.. 

The UN itself is far from perfect where some of the Members, related personel, and nations included have done many wrongs themselves. 

 I knew for years personally one of the related UN personnel, even a  lawyer, and he was a definite thief, liar, opportunist with no real moral values or convictions. It is these type of persons who need to repent, and the Christians remind them of this truth and that is why thy work wrongfully so hard to discredit Christians even too often. It won’t still change who they now still really are, unrepentant sinners.