How the mighty have fallen.. A predicted battle Lines now too.

  

“Canadian Press   Anglican church dispute over Bible moves into new territory in Canada  VANCOUVER – The Bible battle that has been dividing Anglicans in Canada for more than a decade is moving into new territory, with a third court battle looming in a Vancouver court.  The battle over same-sex blessings specifically, and interpretation of the Bible generally, is splitting liberal and conservative Anglicans and the fight over church property ownership has already resulted in two interim court rulings – one in Ontario and one in British Columbia.  Now the Diocese of New Westminster has invoked a church bylaw to essentially fire the clergy at two otherVancouver-area churches and order them to leave the premises.  “We are faced with the situation of clergy in both parishes who have expressly rejected the Anglican Church of Canada as their home and have left the church, yet continue to occupy church buildings that are set aside for use by parishes in the Anglican Church of Canada,” says George Cadman, chancellor, or chief legal officer, for the diocese.  The bylaw, known as Canon 15, was used to dismiss clergy at St. Matthew’s in Abbotsford and at St. Matthias and St. Luke, in Vancouver.  These two churches are among at least 18 parishes in B.C., Ontario, Newfoundland and Manitoba who have left the Anglican Church in Canada and aligned themselves with more conservative Anglican groups in other parts of the world.  Dozens more parishes in the U.S. have left the church in the U.S. over the same issues.  Congregations at St. Matthew’s and St. Matthias and St. Luke voted in February to join the Anglican Network in Canada, which represents the dissidents who have aligned themselves with conservative Anglicans in the southern hemisphere.  In late May, the Diocese of New Westminster asked them to leave their premises, but they refused. The refusal prompted the diocese in recent days to try force their removal.  Apart from the seemingly irreconcilable differences on theology, the more practical dispute over exactly who owns the property remains to be settled.  Two previous interim court rulings in the Diocese of Niagara in Ontario, and the Diocese of British Columbia, on Vancouver Island, went against the dissidents.  In the Vancouver Island caseAnglican parishes in Victoria voted early this year to break away from the Anglican Church of Canada. They went to court to try to ensure that they not be kicked out. They lost.  “The plaintiffs have not, at this stage, established a strong case that they and their fellow parishioners who have elected to join the network are the beneficial owners of church property because they represent true Anglicans and the remaining parishioners do not,” the court ruled.  Cheryl Chang, a lawyer and legal director of the network says the judge “ordered us out at both churches and gave both churches to the diocese until full trial.”  The othe rinterim court ruling in Ontario in May concerned three breakaway Anglican parishes in the Diocese of Niagara.  The court ordered them to share the premises but two decided instead to conduct Sunday services at new locations.  If the dispute can’t be resolved without litigation, Chang expects the New Westminster case to begin in the fall.  But the outcome of a full trial to decide ownership of the churches could go still go either way.  The issues are complex.  “There has been an acknowledgment in Ontario and B.C. that the trust case (who owns the properties) still has to be argued,” says Chang.  She argues that St. Matthew’s, and St. Matthias and St. Luke are independent entities under provincial legislation.  “We don’t recognize (the Diocese of New Westminster) and their authority to simply ignore the constitution and bylaws of the parish corporations,” she says.  The Anglican Church in Canada and the Diocese of New Westminster take the position that all parish property belongs to the church.  In the court case in Victoria, says Chang, the judge sided with the mainstream diocese because the properties were “registered in the name of the diocese.” But in regards to St. Matthew’s and St. Matthias and St. Luke, she says they are “corporate entitities holding title to the properties.”  Cadman and Chang both suggest they would like to avoid a major court case on the ownership issue.  “We’ve offered to sit down with them and talk about this but at this point we’ve been rebuffed,” says Chang.  New Westminster, says Cadman, also favours another resolution “but on the other hand the current situation can’t be tolerated.”  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080831/national/anglican_dispute

A REALLY Sad state of affairs, SUPPOSEDLY CHRISTIANS NOW openly   disputing in public but  now in the courts too.. a false attempt by gays for relgious, Biblical,  Christian Church acceptance for their wrong lifestyle still too.

  

Here is what I know for sure in Canada proper policing, management ,  supervision  human rights commissions are a real fact of life, society, in schools, life,  in churches, governments, commerce, institutions, civil and public services, professional services too,  and elsewhere, even on the net,  for you will always have those 30 percent at least of the persons who will try to cheat, lie  , steal, bend the rules, falsely believe they are above the laws, Self  regulation alone is too often pretentious, farcical, often not applied as well. That applies especially to the professionals, civil and public services, police, municipalities, politicians now as well..

http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/homosexuality/

Redeemed 10 ways to get out  http://www.venusmagazine.org/
Groundbreaking’ study shows ‘gays’ can change  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp
Focus on the Family       http://www.family.org/socialissues/
Stephen Bennett Ministries    http://www.sbministries.org/
Exodus International       http://exodus.to/default2.asp
Love Won Out    http://www.lovewonout.com
 http://www.bfamilyadvocates.com/homosexuality.htm

 

Kanadische Studie: Nur 1,4 % der Erwachsenen sind homosexuell!

Canadians Issue World Apology for Social Engineering Legislation

Only 1 Canadian same-sex couple “married” in Toronto this year

Order of Canada Awarded to Gay Pastor Who Attacked Vatican, Performed Illegal Gay ‘Marriages’ under Conservative Government


CANADA: Ex Gays Write Open Letter to Members of [Anglican] General Synod  2007

MercatorNet: Canada Ponders Polygamy

My readers top topic of interest this year in preference order.

 

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-Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Church dispute 
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Control freaks

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Deliberate unforgiveness                       

 
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I have been on the net for over 2  decades, and I have thousands of readers regularly reading my posts.  Hey I too have often said that there are many professing bashers, bullies, liars now even on the Christian internet and they think they alone can make the rules, enforce the rules on others, and that is too bad for them too for  they need to grow up.. and to firstly get used to the right of free speech of others, other’s right to be heard and to male their own posts .. I only have about 30 internet sites written often for these bad hypocritical Christians now too  so hopefully they too will learn the truth about themselves.. too bad guys do not like me to use my right of free speech.. so what else is new.. they by their bullying, control freak approach clearly show to all what hypocritical Christians they rather are! They are not humble servants of Jesus for sure.
 
It is true that Christian Pentecostal pastors are too often as bad as the non Pentecostal Christian ones too..  55 percent of them seem to admit to adultery, and 70 percent of them counsel divorce, and God hates both of these sins still too. But now still God himself shows no partiality to anyone..
 
But the  discriminatory Baptist Sen. Charles Grassley clearly another  false Pentecostal basher and hater wrongfully did not agree to having all major evangelical pastors in the united Sates annually reviewed,   for tax evasions, misappropriations of funds chose  to review it seems only the  word of faith believing Christian Pentecostal preachers.. simply such unfair, unacceptable hypocritical demand of  his still now too..