those crazy Charismatics or Pentecostals

> Emotionally unstable persons.. emotionally said by ironically an unstable person

Such remarks are typical of what you might get from many a false Charismatic, Pentecostal  protesters. I often got them  from the Brethren side of my family too…They present their own “facts,” but fall totally short in truthfulness  for they tend to falsely firstly  have a hidden agenda, and often they want to be falsely personally worshipped and live in sin too.   

(2 Tim 3:1 KJV)  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.. 2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8  Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9  But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. 10  But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11  Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12  Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13  But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
 

 Do see also https://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/how-to-keep-oneself-away-from-sexual-transgressions/ and http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/revenge-on-my-abusers/

 

 I noted once again how   sadly  too many so called professing fundamental or catholic Christians now  do make false, lying, unsubstantiated, over simplified, and unbiblical statements   about those crazy Charismatics or Pentecostals but  there are still genuine Christian  workers of miracles..

In reality the people Jesus only called as “workers of iniquity” were  not those people who attend a miracle service..-
 
1) but firstly the people who did miracles themselves now in Jesus name.. not rather any of those who approached the miracle workers..   (Mat 7:22 KJV)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
and here Jesus did not say these people’s works here  now were   false.. but they were false.. they had  used the gifts of the holy spirit out of the will of God.. without God’s permission, use them on their own.. there is a time and place for the gifts of the holy Spirit now as well…. or they had still indulged in unrepented, unacceptable sins… what you have not heard also of of healing evangelist living high on the hog, or committing adultery?

   
2: And in the other reference  in the new testament  in regard to  “workers of iniquity”.. these were the people whose  sin was not repenting at the time God had called them to repent.. they wanted to repent on their own time, in their own manner too…
 
(Luke 13:24 KJV)  Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25  When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26  Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.  27  But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28  There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
 and there are still genuine Christian  workers of miracles..

(1 Cor 12:29 KJV)  Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
 
(Mark 9:38 KJV)  And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 39    But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40   For he that is not against us is on our part.
 
Many persons  clearly do really now need to get their  Bible understanding, knowledge more correct.. about the Holy spirit and what the Bible actually says..
 
(Luke 20:21 KJV)  And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly:
  
(2 Tim 2:15 KJV)  Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

James 1:19 KJV   Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:  20    For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. 21    Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. 22    But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
 
Hebrews 5:12-14, “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”
  
 (II Chronicles 19:6) “…Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment.” and do not be continually an “accuser of the brethren.” evident by ones clear absence of real love for them too.
  
Apostle Paul said he was, is the chief of sinners himself.. “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief .“—I Tim. 1:15  the same Apostle Paul who now also rebuked apostle Peter for his sin as well .The Record of the Apostle Paul Rebuking Peter Galatians 2:11-21 , Apostle Paul Rebuking Peter, Because Peter Was Wrongly Treating the Gentile Believers as Second-class Citizens (Gal 2:11 KJV)  But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.  so you also not longer respect apostle Peter as well because he continually also now sinned while following the Lord Jesus? (Mark 14:72 KJV)  And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shall deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.
  
Webster’s defines the act of judging as “to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises.” The problem arises because judging can be subjective. In other words, your judgments are based firstly on your own perceptions, motives, and understandings.  This is why two people can judge the exact same situation and come up with different determinations. Did you  with Katherine Khulman, examine her whole life, what she lived, preached, taught or just  by one bad past act of her you condemned her  falsely?  Since the judgments of man are therefore rooted in the “opinions” of man or of a women, no man’s judgments can be taken as absolute or complete truth. What did God tell you now about her himself? Jesus was able to hear God’s words  to pronounce God’s judgments.   “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” (John 7:24). We must have our will in full subjection to God’s which enables us to know God’s own words on every subject and allows us to be sent by God to others with His message. Or did you now even bother to pray to him about her before you ran away with your condemnations? The Word of God says that God enables man to judge righteously, commands man to judge righteously too, and is pleased with those who seek to judge righteously . The fact that the desire to judge righteously is highly esteemed by God.  King Solomon asks, “Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?”  We are also told not to judge according to appearances or by the flesh (John 7:24; John 8:15; James 2:1-4). This means that sound judgment cannot be based on what we see, hear, or think. Since God’s thoughts and ways are are higher than ours, He is not bound by our perceptions, opinions, or prejudices. This again is a confirmation that God alone is The Judge. Our judgments must therefore be based in His direct words to us in order for them to be true. So how is your real, direct  communication now with God, does he talk and commune with you in all things?
 
We are not to judge others in the world for God himself judges them , so we can only judge our fellow professing Christians too. To be holy spirit fruit inspectors, but we are also to judge righteously, lest we ourselves will be condemned next.. The apostle Paul also understood this relationship between judging and condemning. … reference  Jesus said, “Judge not, … (Prov 31:8 KJV)  Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. 9    Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy. To be able to judge righteously, though, the Church itself must be also righteous.   For Jesus plainly rebuked  the Pharisees for their own personal hypocrisy now too, double standards.. Jesus is not forbiding Christians to judge  He is warning that we will be held accountable for how we do it, and also what we do with what we know. In other words, if we know enough about sinful behavior to tell others that it is wrong, then we have no excuse as to why that sin or others would be present in our lives.  I Corinthians 11:31-32 that we judge ourselves first so that we will not be judged. As Jesus says in verse 5, we should cast the beam out of our own eye and then we are in position to point out the fault to others. God does not forbid us to judge, but He sets up conditions wherein we must judge. According to the Bible, the act of judging righteously is a benefit to the individual Christian and to the body of believers as a whole. First “Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.” (Psalms 139:23-24)  Not only does judging one’s self keep you in a place of being sanctified by God, it is only then that we are made fit for the Master’s use. “If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.” (II Timothy 2:21)
 
The same Apostle Paul who had said (1 Cor 5:9 KJV)  I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
 
The same apostle Paul  next had said (2 Cor 2:3 KJV)  And I wrote this same unto you, lest, when I came, I should have sorrow from them of whom I ought to rejoice; having confidence in you all, that my joy is the joy of you all. 4  For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you 5  But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all. 6  Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. 7  So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. 8  Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him. 9  For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.

thus so were, are  you able to forgive others now for their  sins? “Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?” (James 4:11-12)
 
and you do remember that Moses himself disobeyed God, struck a rock twice, and was punished by not being allowed to enter the promised land.. did that fact make him a false prophet now too? and when King David committed adultery did he now also lose his salvation  too? for king Saul had lost his anointing of the holy spirit before. And what then was the difference between David and Saul?  and could it be Genuine Personal Repentance?
  
and  when you do  judge someone else by their fruits do you look at the past or their  present fruits? Whether they had actually now repented next too? Does God remember all of your past  sins? Some or None?

    
We are to judge, but we are also to judge righteously.. when a person admits their sins,   and hopefully you do too.. (Heb 8:12 KJV)  For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. (Heb 10:17 KJV)  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
 
So how do you tell if a person has a good spirit or a bad spirit.. because even Jesus himself said believe me by my works, my miracles then (John 20:30 KJV)  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
  
(Mark 16:17 KJV)  And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18   They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.   (Mark 16:20 KJV)  And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
  
Many now  making partial truths and Making deliberately blatant , false, critical, condemning, judgmental   statement like some did about the Pentecostals now  I can see why you offend a lot of people too
  
God uses the humbled, repented  sinners as his messenger still, servants… because there is no such thing as a perfect yet person or saint in this world.. even if many lie and say they are now perfect too..  when people lie and say they are without sin, they tend to mean the degree of sin.. for we are sinners still living in a sinful body.. King David God’s beloved committed adultery too and yet God did not forsake him but used him…. because he admitted he was a sinner.
  
Galatians 1:6-7, “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”
  
Romans 16:17    “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.” (I Timothy 4:16) “Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.” (II John 1:9-11) “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
  
(1 Tim 4:16 KJV)  Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.  So by taking heed for and continuing in sound doctrine we will not only see salvation ourselves, but so will those to whom we witness. Conversely, as supported in II John 1:9-11, not continuing in sound doctrine results in us believing and spreading a perverted gospel that is powerless to save
  
“But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.” (II Thessalonians 3:13-15)
  
(2 Tim 2:15 KJV)  Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16  But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17  And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18  Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19  Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20  But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21  If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.
22  Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Matthew 27:20  But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

 

(Gal 6:1 KJV)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. (2 Tim 2:25 KJV)  In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26    And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 see also  https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/a-cyber-bully-unmasked-again/

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