Dream on

 

(Mat 18:1 KJV)  At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2  And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3  And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4  Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5  And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6  But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7  Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8  Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9  And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

I too have learned that most people, even so called church ministers,  will not go on with God unless 
 
a: they have seen the need to die to self and live for God
b: they have learned to talk with God and do hear him
c: they apply what they have learned, for more will not be next given to them till they do
d: they have learned not to have the fear of man, or care about the need of pleasing men, listening to the others for we ought to fear, hear, obey God rather than men
e: they have full faith that God and not self or men will provide for all of their needs.
f: they are not braggarts, show offs, abusers, salnderers, thieves, drunkards, adulterers…

 
Some professing Christians tend to want still to exalt self, to promote themselves, for clearly and wrongfully they have not died to sinful self yet.

 For instance there is a repetitious site that has many of the same posters, professing to be protestant ministers,  and clearly it seems they want to do all the talking, get all the glory, are busy exalting themselves solely, proudly bullying others, bashing others and yet they still call themselves the Church of Jesus Christ.. they got to be joking!

Dream on, this is not how real Christians act, behave, if any doubt just see how Jesus behaves in the new testament and Apostle Paul now as well.
 
(Gal 5:22 KJV)  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24  And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26   Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
 
(Gal 6:1 KJV)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
 
(Gal 6:2 KJV)  Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
 
(Gal 6:3 KJV)  For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
 
 
(Titus 1:1 KJV)  Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
  
Romans 1:1  Paul, a bond-servant ( meaning a slave) of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
  
Now for me the classical definition of a biblical leaders firstly was that they were servants of God , or even slaves of God for they have died to self and lived for God… and I think I can safely say that this is not the definition most leaders, members, adherents  now in the Christian church do even hold of themselves.. or of their pastors, leaders, church leaders..
 
It seems rather to me they the pastors tend to use today now the secular, authoritarian, title of their leadership,  such as director, administrator, and  I personally had asked one pastor, minister  to define his  position from the Bible,  and he saw himself a captain of a ship – Scofield Bible, another one saw himself as a Managing Business Administrator….. this sadly is typical of the too many one man church ministries we seem to have these days too and not one modern pastor would allow likely  to be even called a servant, a slave of God, a good shepherd or a guide in fact.,, such as Apostle Paul.
 
SO HOW DOES YOUR CHURCH PASTOR SEE HIMSELF?
 

New International Version (©1984)
Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ.

 New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.

International Standard Version (©2008)
Nor are you to be called ‘Teachers,’ because you have only one teacher, the Messiah!

GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Don’t make others call you a leader, because you have only one leader, the Messiah.

King James Bible
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

American King James Version
Neither be you called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

American Standard Version
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even the Christ.

Bible in Basic English
And you may not be named guides: because one is your Guide, even Christ.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Neither be ye called masters; for one is you master, Christ.

Darby Bible Translation
Neither be called instructors, for one is your instructor, the Christ.

English Revised Version
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even the Christ.

Webster’s Bible Translation
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even Christ.

Weymouth New Testament
And do not accept the name of ‘leader,’ for your Leader is one alone–the Christ.

World English Bible
Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ.

Young’s Literal Translation
nor may ye be called directors, for one is your director — the Christ.

 
Outside of the Church yes the most command secular definition of the term leader, is not a servant, or slave but the complete opposite like a commander.. guide
 
and the specific term leader is not found in the NEW TESTAMENT of the  King James version Bible at  all, applied to any spiritual offices too.
 
 
 
lead·er   *

n. 1. One that leads or guides.

2. One who is in charge or in command of others.3. a. One who heads a political party or organization.b. One who has influence or power, especially of a political nature.

*The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

  The  individual leadership carried to an extreme becomes a dictatorship  and plurality of leadership now too as well   carried to extreme becomes dicatorial Communism
 

 The new testament Christian leader is the term elder, or a shepherd, but it generally also meant leadership by plurality of elders, the Presbyterians.. apostles- missionaries, prophets, pastors- teachers, healers, evangelists were all equal elders mutually submissive voluntarily one to another.
 
Is there in simplicity now a Biblical new testament church structure of eldership, leadership patterns and why is generally not being followed today..  Clearly firstly it is due to the lack of holy spirit filled men and women even  in most churches now too.  God still seeks spirit filled persons but many cannot handle the Holy Spirit fire.. and we do these days too need another Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter, and Apostle John these days too.
 
Jesus firstly is the head still of the church, the great shepherd and the Holy Spirit is our guide, teacher. Jesus is our King, leader, commander too.. I too serve Jesus and not mere man, and Jesus is always first for me. I thank God that while I as a sinner am still  totally helpless to be delivered from my sins here one earth, but Jesus died for them and forgave them when I admitted them, asked for his forgiveness. Should should we all, all pastors, included
 
 
-The Christian orthodox, Anglican  church uses the Old Testament priest system.. with their priests being allowed to marry.
-The Catholic church does the same, but it added Mary and no marriage for the priests or for them being allowed to have tangible property
-The present common one man protestant ministry was followed  after the pattern set by the evangelist Dwight l Moody
-Others such as some Pentecostals do follow The fivefold ministry. The Latter Rain taught that of the five ministerial roles mentioned in Ephesians 4:11 (apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher), the foundational roles of apostle and prophet had been lost after the time of the first apostles, but God was restoring these ministries in the present day. This theme has continued to this day, and has been recently rebranded by C. Peter Wagner as the “New Apostolic Reformation”. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/latter-rain/  
– others Churches, demonimations have a variation of any of these styles.
 
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