My Top political posts

My Top political posts the last few years..

 

Title
Divorce And Remarriage In The Christian Church
CRTC’s Farcical hearings on Internet speed Internet
2009 CANADIAN EDITORIAL CARTOONS Politics
l care.. CANADIAN HEALTH CARE medical Health care
Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Church
Christian and Missionary Alliance Corporation
How many rich people in Calgary, Edmonton
QUEBEC the second largest PROVINCE in Canada
Basic Contract law Consumer protection
It is getting worse for the RCMP
swine flu – influenza A (H1N1)  Health care
Canada’s oil sands Class action suit against Bell Sympatico My past download and service problems with Bell Sympatico, “Why Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper keeps his religion secret ?” third Police vehicle impounded Speeding is not the major cause of car accidents Drink Alcohol and Die

   

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I do not need to pay for a Poll to know what many Canadians are interested in…

  

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fallout hits BCE, the Bell phone company

  

Now we all can know that driving a sports car on an empty road produces a different speed from that when driving on the same road during peak traffic hours.

  

Now this Mis-advertisement of the actual speeds attained  also reflects the common  problem we tend to  have also in Canada with the false, misleading advertising, trade practices by Bell, Rogers, Videotron in regard to the speeds of their iphone and DSL, ADSL, cable internet services. These Communication, ISP firms amongst others are known to inflate, advertise substantially higher speeds than the consumer will actual get next get on the average, and the  next related internet congestion cause web connectivity problems, and also reductions of the downloads speeds too..

   

Bell Telephone is always seeking news ways by hook or crook as well  to make more money cause it undeniably still loses it’s dissatisfied customers faster than it can gain them.

 

The once invincible Bell Nortel offended the wrong parties and it’s stocks was last seen headed towards the garbage heap and many persons wonder if Bell is going that way next too. Bell’s false distortions, Smokescreens and Mirrors. Bell itself now is always lying for years has always told me it is someone else’s fault for the internet problem and not Bell’s. “Do note that my Bell internet services profile, download speeds  varies, varied from 1 megs, 2 megs, 5 megs, 6 megs, 7 megs, depending on the weather, the day of the week, etc.,  and now all  contrary to Bell’s promises, advertisement of a steady High speed system too, etc., or Bell’s past advertisement that ” Bell delivers reliable Internet access, assuring consumers that they can get on the  Net when they want to and stay there as long as they need”…is also clearly a lie….” Bell’s advertised “Choice of consistent super fast speed” is also a lie for the speed undeniably was slow and varied and too often…  Bell’s advertised “Best price” is also a lie.. and please all do  still deal with Bell’s false capping of my bit torrent too.. on my unlimited download Bell account in Canada.” 

  

“Bell for certainty cannot be trusted, it can only be trusted to lie, Bell along with many DSL ISP undeniably lied in their past Internet  ADDS for many years about the advantages of  the internet DSL over Cable too. “The speed advantage of DSL over cable is much higher”, ” DSL-based services results in the ability to guarantee the bandwidth provided by the high-speed DSL connection” ” Cable service providers usually don’t quote absolute performance numbers like the DSL vendors” In real fact Major Canadian DSL vendors like Bell never met their promised speed CONTINUOUSLY or reliably now too anyway and most of the time they were far short of it too.

  

There was, is a need for regulatory Government intervention of Bell, ISP providers practices, advertisements too. There has been a lot of evidence, allegations about Bell’s bad  managerial practices,  and it’s motives. It’s mostly been  warranted.. 

  

Bell  wrongfully sees itself as the sole judge of disputes in their contract obligations too. This sort of contract, where the subscriber is considered to agree by signing up for service rather than by active negotiation, is given extra scrutiny by the courts. Any wiggle room or ambiguity is usually resolved in favor of the consumer rather than the company.

 

Sadly AT&T for a start is not the only carrier that doesn’t have presently  adequate  existing bandwidth to support all of their customers, iPhone users  using  an “unlimited” data plan  and that would now include Rogers and Bell? who are clearly already capping their existing customers and others to over come this serious shortcoming,   and in spite of what they do all  promise now they might have in the future I really rightfully do not believe them.

 

I TOO NOW have been discussing, detailing on the net Bell’s indequate pretentious, poor services, internet and customer services, specifics included now for many many months.. even in October 2007 http://thenonconformer.blogspot.com/2007/10/choosing-cable-or-dsl-internet-service.html   

 

What started as a simple phone call by me in January 2007 to Bell tech help line to determine why my internet services were so slow and sluggish next had  become a major farce, cover-up on the part of Bell Sympatico. I was next lied to for months as to the real reasons Bell they rather had offered me their poor internet services to me and  to many others in my city for years now too.. and then Bell had even  lied to me some more, had also breached their contractual obligations to me many times too, had allowed me even to be slandered, abused on the Bell customer forums now too.. and why? so  that clearly greedy Bell can continue stay in business to make more money.. and so who really cares now about the customer’s good welfare in reality? now? What not Bell itself, not the CRTC, not the federal government, not our Prime Minister Stephen Harper, not  the the federal Minister of Consumer Affairs, Jim Prentice..  not  any provincial consumer affairs Minister, but only the citizens, the news media, and the NDP party care about the citizens  good welfare really it seems. Not acceptable for sure too!   http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/basic-contract-law/

 

Imagine that Bell has been in Business for many years and is still guilty now clearly of misleading advertisements, fraudulent and unacceptable business practices, not living up to their contractual obligations, as I now have PERSONALLY WITNESSED, EXPERIENCED  and undeniably detailed to even Bell and many others many times too now . I Paid for a high speed unlimited download service but that is not what I got next. I got low internet speed at a high price. With Bell you have to check your actual delivered speeds , “internet download and upload speed test” cause Bell seems to change it to suit themselves..  ( Acanac Inc. http://www.acanac.ca  , and do  see their speed test ). BELL EXECUTIVES HAVE BEEN  TOO CHEAP, AND STINGY TO SPEND THE NECESSARY MONEY TO DO THE MUCH NEEDY UPDATES TO BELL’S INTERNET WHICH DO LACK FULL CAPACITIES TO SERVICE ALL THE PRESENT CUSTOMERS, NEVER MIND ALL THE FUTURE ONES, SO THEY HAVE TO THROTTLE THEIR SERVICES

 

 More and more, Bell, Sympatico Internet users are finding Web browsing a lot less fun these days for  it took a little time to load the pages, there is continual internet connectivity problems for their Bell ISP provider is totally unreliable, dishonest, inadequate too.  Bell has always had it’s spin doctors spin, lying.. 

 

 

Bell firstly has also not been transparency about it’s internet capping as well now..  Major Canadian DSL service providers commonly employ bandwidth / speed caps for residential customers. Bandwidth caps place an artificial limit on the maximum speed a customer can achieve by monitoring their individual traffic flow and throttling network packets .Providers concerned about the capacity limits of their network  implement a cap so that they can accommodate more customers, and make more money and undeniably  do not do this for the sole benefit of the consumer but mainly their own.

 

“Open access”, the ability of any citizen to chose their Internet service provider (ISP), access any content or service, and transmit any information desired, was the hallmark of the existing Internet. Keep the Internet free but regulate the ISPs. As  the global Internet works rather well just the way it is: uncontrolled uploads and downloads, unregulated content, freedom of speech, and freely distributed. But if the CRTC tries to put one group in control of it, Like Bell it will inevitably become just another false  channel for control and profit, in the same way that virtually the entire television media has become.

 

But I have said much of this before for many months now too already even that Bell will lie, divert the truth and basically try to say that the customers are all still stupid, and the customer’s own computer’(s) are at fault,, they are lacking sufficient processing power or memory, cache and they  cannot keep pace with a high-speed Internet connection. Or the spyware, viruses on the computer when that rarely is the case now too for the slow internet speed,s but rather it is mainly due to Bell’s own faulty, and poorly maintained and poorly serviced equipment…

 

About sowing and reaping.. “Recession fallout hits BCE, Telus wireless results BCE ‘NOT IMMUNE’ TO ECONOMY “We’re not immune,” BCE Chief Executive George Cope said of the economy during a conference call with analysts. The company’s shares fell 62 Canadian cents to C$25.45.The company’s quarterly revenue edged lower to C$4.34 billion ($3.7 billion) from C$4.36 billion a year earlier. At Telus, revenue crawled higher to C$2.37 billion from C$2.35 billion.”  Reuters  –  More miss information, lying corporate spin   and what about news editors, news reporters using their own brain, research rather? doing the honest reporting?   – 

  

Bell has no one but itself to blame for it’s own  downfall,  about 40 percent of it’s own internet customers have complained about big bad Bell abusing them, lying to them, not keeping their contract agreement already. I have often told Bell  in writing that would all  happen now too on the net as well..

  

Bell like Loblow , Royal LePage merely reaps too what it sows.. it next fails to get repeat customers and much needed referrals as a direct result too..

 

Those too often liars in public relations, sales, marketing would also like you to believe just case something is old, established has a history behind it is is stable, reliable like the Mickey Mouse RCMP and Bell telephone Company now both rather known by many Canada wide for being liars, pretenders, abusers

 

 Bell, Rogers, Videotron, Shaw, Telus  all only care about one thing.. maximum profits.. motivated by maximum greed.. finding an excuse to charge the customer for more.. and that they have done with their regulating, capping… and no one cares about what the consumer thinks, the CRTC or the federal Conservatives as well included. This consumer price gouging perversity has got to stop.  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/08/15/crtc-is-clearly-in-bells-bad-pocket/

 

Bell is one of he biggest liar that I have personally dealt with too..

 

I had written 300 letters to Bell trying to get simple, straightforward satisfaction, appropriate payment,  answers from them and of course they dishonestly refused to provide any answers.. all they Sasha Rollins,  did eventually is double bill me and next cut of my internet for complaining too much to them.. real perverse people. Nevertheless I posted a full log for about 2 years on the net, too all of the major news editors, major politicians now too  for all to read, and Bell undeniably now did not try to deny it too, as to how crooked they were and how poorly they had actually responded to their false breach of my internet contract too. I now do realize that I have been told many times now by Bell on the phone, on the net that my internet account matter now has been escalated to the Highest level at Bell, specially Bell executive care services, and that as usual I  have been lied too. Bell should pay for internet throttling, Breach of contract too. Telus says Bell should pay for internet throttling dispute: Telus Corp. is supporting consumer groups and small service providers in seeking legal costs from Bell Canada Inc. in a dispute over the throttling of internet speeds. Telus had said it agrees with the Public Interest Advocacy Centre and the Canadian Association of Internet Providers, who say that because Bell started the whole argument over throttling, the company should be liable for all the costs whether it wins or loses the dispute. http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/09/19/tech-bell.html

 

Consumers have come together in Canada in a class action lawsuit against Bell Canada for the company’s practice of throttling traffic. There are two charges involved in the lawsuit. The first is for false advertising; the company had advertised the offer of a constant speed at all times which isn’t true if throttling is going on. And the second is for violating users’ privacy through the use of deep packet inspection.  L’Union des Consommateurs and a Quebec consumer have launched a class action lawsuit against Bell Canada over its throttling practices. I find it ironic that Bell Sympatico  is being sued about the same time they falsely cut of my internet services with a false excuse as well.

 

 ”Corporations like Bell Sympatico neglects its customers in order to attain better profit for itself and the shareholder and they should be held liable for making false claims about their services and breaking the law!! Why should they be allowed to get away with this;” Many  Consumers are really not happy about Bell and it’s capping too.  “http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080602-new-filings-reveal-extent-damage-of-bell-canada-throttling.html   http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/06/02/tech-quebec.html

 

Bell Sympatico now even  wanted an extra payment of 75 dollars if I do not return ASAP their high speed modem as soon as possible, conveniently forgetting that they themselves had wrongfully had breached my ISP contract, and also that they had falsely refused to refund me for an  overcharge of an  extra 55 dollars, to me for this  high speed modem that I had never even requested from Bell Sympatico in the first place, and they too easily seem to forget that  fact they Bell Sympatico had falsely also now tried 4 times to withdraw, steal my  money from my bank account even during the time I as supposed to have  free 6 months high speed unlimited internet as well. An agreement they too had falsely breached now too. Now Bell Sympatico’s executive care  Sasha Rollins had  complained to me in writing 3 times back that in the last 18 months I have written 280 letters of rightful complaints to Bell about their inadequate, pretentious, services, even their false breach of their contract obligations. Me I am even next still even rightfully complaining to Bell Sympatico now that I had even firstly to to write any of these 280 letters of complaints to Bell Sympatico, and I as a direct result do even rightfully still do demand full payment of 2500 dollars from Bell Sympatico NOW  for all my wasted time in even having now to do so now as well, plus further payment for the many years I had paid for a high speed internet services but never got one from Bell Sympatico as well. And I rightfully still expect this rightful  2500 dollars payment to me now from Bell Sympatico ASAP AS WELL , and  so also  NEXT  I too will demand an extra 250 dollars in payment  if they do not pay me my 2500 dollars COMPENSATION as soon as possible. And so the Circus with Bell Sympatico continues..

 

MANY BUSINESSES STILL DO FAIL FIRSTLY BECAUSE OF THE POOR , NEGATIVE WAY THEY SEE, DO TREAT  THE CUSTOMERS, AND THEIR EMPLOYEES AS WELL. So sooner or later they still tend to fail as a direct result, face cutbacks, downsizing, serious changes .. SECONDLY THEY USE A FALSE, POOR , NEGATIVE MANAGEMENT STYLE STILL

 

I heard firsthand one teenager saying to another teenager  , “I cannot trust you, you lie to me all the time” and this next had made me reflect upon the reality that the average person lies 3 times in every ten minutes of conversation, and it also reminded me with my past years of undeniable dealing with Bell related to my internet download problems, they too had  lied to me all the time, by not admitting the truth first that there was a problem, nor next honestly admitting the cause of the problem. It seems that spin doctoring, misleading, lying to others is a very major part of not just the lawyers, used car salesmen, but a regular part of the sales, advertising, corporate way of doing business with consumers these days Canada wide now as well.  

 

I was really, really surprised as to how many persons lie, are being lied to in life, in churches..  http://canada.today.tripod.com/d/lying.htm 

 

When a business’s profitability is severely reducing, dropping, the top  management often fails to admit the truth, the real reasons as to why,  and they also tend to falsely among many other things

- lie some more

- raise their prices to try to try to increase their profitability, making themselves more uncompetitive

- cut back on customer services, clearly making matters even worse

- resort to costly, false, misleading advertisements again

- blame their employees , and have a high employee turnover, making matters worse

- blame other facts for their own management failures,

- really do not provide a positive, competitive  service

- generally fail to replace all of the bad top executive, middle managers with good personnel

 

That includes Loblaw, Bell, GM, RCMP, Metro, pastors, governments, Real Estate firms, Car dealerships, Newspapers, TV stations, HOSPITALS, Grocery Chains stores, etc.,

 

Do continue here  below  to often read about bad Bell.. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/tag/bell/

 

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/07/18/fallout-hits-bce-the-bell-phone-company/

 

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some of the typical Search Words on this Posted site

These are recent examples of some of the typical Search Words on this site

 

heart disease and unforgivness
heart problems and too much sugar, diabetes   
are people still flocking to Alberta
how many rich people in Calgary? 

insurance cost after impaired driving in Alberta   
defamation on the net   
wrongful accusations  
best way to deal with wrongful accusations   

system restore,  dealing with viruses   

windows “backup files”      
what are CRTC  doing about ISP traffic shaping  

how many car accidents  in Ontario  

 The percent of people who have car accidents 
% of rich people Alberta, Canada  

  

I am not amazed how many topics being searched are often repeated  such as what are CRTC  doing about ISP traffic shaping, basically the CRTC are doing nothing good for consumers.  Some of these searches are very common on my other sites as well.

  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/ 

 http://witnessed.wordpress.com/  

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/ 

http://posted.wordpress.com/

http://stayinhealth.wordpress.com/

 

 

Bible teachings on how god speaks to his own
Canadian prime minister 
junk food = heart attacks 
victory Christian fellowship churches 
should you believe in the bible?
slander  
what you should know about the bible  
cancer, diabetes, caused by food 
latter rain revival   
A W Tozer   
united Pentecostal Church complaints  
is god speaking today 1 
Todd Bentley
a good name is rather to be chosen
Wolves in Christian sheep clothing 
what the bible says about Israel

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Canadian groups oppose ISP traffic throttling ISPs ask the CRTC to stop Bell doing it

 

Bad Report urges Ottawa to keep ISP traffic throttling in place..

 

Ottawa shouldn’t give in to demands that Internet providers treat all traffic the same, says a Canadian telecommunications consultancy,  Montreal-based SeaBoard Group in a report released Thursday, another salvo in the war on net neutrality.   The report comes out as the industry awaits the release of a ruling by the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) on a complaint from a group of Internet service providers against Bell Canada’s traffic-shaping efforts. A decision had been expected at the end of September. The CRTC regulates cable and telephones, and therefore could have a say over the Internet. However, it decided in 1999 to be hands-off on new media. In March, Bell began throttling Internet traffic to subscribers and ISP resellers of its DSL service during peak hours, claiming a minority of customers are consuming large amounts of bandwidth to the detriment of the rest. The Canadian Association of Internet Providers quickly demanded the CRTC order Bell to stop slowing traffic, saying the move damages subscribers wanting fast speeds. But Bell argued managing bandwidth makes service equal for all. Meanwhile, the commission is in the middle of what it calls a New Media Project Initiative and re-examining its decision to keep its hands off new media. That review may touch on net neutrality. In the U.S., Comcast throttled BitTorrent traffic until earlier this year, when the Federal Communications Commission ordered it to stop unless it could prove the effort is necessary. Comcast then came up with a new strategy: Impose a download cap of 250Gb a month to each subscriber. SeaBoard says the first public case relating to the Net neutrality debate in France came in 2007 when the French ISP Neuf Cegetel was accused by the videosharing site Dailymotion of throttling access. Neuf Cegetel refuted the claims citing technical difficulties and the subject was eventually dropped.

 

Related Content:
Canadian groups debate ISP traffic throttling
ISPs ask the CRTC to stop Bell from defying law
Net neutrality: Google vs. Seaboard

 

I think that Google would have a better understanding of the sources of innovation on the Internet than a consultancy firm like Seaboard who, as far as I know, don’t actually do anything other than comment on other folks’ innovation. Also, as always, who paid for their report? Written by: DT, 

Report urges Ottawa to keep ISP traffic throttling in place  The bums make all the same kinds of arguments that were used to seal FTA abd NAFTA.
Written by: Rodney,

 

The SeaBoard Group is unqualified to make recommendations on..  The SeaBoard Group is by no means qualified to comment on this issue. They are a consulting firm whose clients are technology corporations including communication carriers, so they have a financial stake in this and it’s no surprise then that their report sides with the corporate position. Also, the “group” consists of three analysts: 2 economists and 1 marketing/commerce person. So who among them has an understanding of technical aspects of controlling net congestion? Answer: none of them. The report is really just an opinion piece on how market forces always know what’s best (which is what economists always say). It does not investigate Bell’s claim that traffic shaping using deep packet inspection and throttling is the only means to manage congestion (a claim which is entirely false as the Comcast example proves). It does not investigate how deep packet inspection impacts consumer privacy. And it only says that ISPs should be careful not to give themselves an advantage by throttling competitor traffic (which obviously they will as the Telstra example proves). ISPs do have to manage their networks to prevent congestion, but their is absolutely no need for them to employ traffic shaping to do so (upper limits on bandwidth and monthly caps are fair and already in use). They just want to use traffic shaping because it gives them a lot power and they use the excuse of network congestion to justify it. But no one should fall for it, the FCC didn’t. And the SeaBoard group has no credibility on this issue.
Written by: Stephen,

 

Simply illegal  There is already (illegal) Cap on so call unlimited internet. and now they want to illegally degrade a service i alreayd paid? ISPs who throttle need to be fined a couple of millions to set a exemple and prevented from ANY KIND of throttling as it is clearly illegal for them to do so. I paid for 10 Mbiit i want my 10 mbits.. if the ISP oversold it is not mhy problems…. How much do you think the MPAA/RIAA paid the Canadian ISPs to illegally throttling P2P traffic?
Written by: Mectron, from Penticton

 

Report urges Ottawa to keep ISP traffic throttling in place  Mr. Goodey has a good point. Since we are receiving less, we should be charged less. But, we are consumers which equals the bottom of the barrel for these pitiful (mono/duo) polices… This is a typical “Con” job – pun intended. I think the best thing that could come out of this is the fabulous chance to reconnect with nature – I always wanted to take up biking. Plus, I’ll save money, not having to spend any more money on computer / internet gear…
Written by: Dan, from Gatineau, QC

 

Report urges Ottawa to keep ISP traffic throttling in place  If you bought a ton of coal from me and I delivered 700 pounds but demanded full payment how would you feel? Cheated? Well now you know how I feel. Bell, Rogers, Shaw have a monopoly. They want to charge full price but not have to deliver.
Written by: Publis, 

Report urges Ottawa to keep ISP traffic throttling in place
“Comcast then came up with a new strategy: Impose a download cap of 250 Gb a month to each subscriber. Some observers think most Canadian providers will soon move to such caps, commonly seen on wireless handsets.” Caps already exist and I could only wish they were so high. Rogers has a cap of 60 GB a month for high speed express internet. CRTC wants to run the Internet like they do television and Radio. Which means Canadians will continue to get screwed out of good content in an effort to protect something that is not very good anyways… Canadian media content.
Written by: Chu, 

why should we pay for internet service we are not receiving?..  put a meter on that throttle then—–the more we are deprived of receiving full service——the less we should have to pay for it i do not like paying for something i am not getting——its called fraud.
Written by: yahn goodey, 

Selected throttling is illegal censorship  Customers are already throttled based on their package. If a customer is paying for a 10Mbit connection, why should their speed be restricted to 5Mbit for certain types of traffic? If they are paying for 10Mbit, they should get 10Mbit. Regardless of how the ISPs are trying to spin this, it all boils down to the fact that they want to be able to make corporate sanctioned traffic be fast, and everything else be slow. This means that big corporations websites will be fast (i.e. Disney, CNN, Google) and small business websites will be slow.”

http://www.intergovworld.com/article/1ab5d578c0a8000600c26acd7fe1ae7e/pg1.htm

Bell’s own retailers sue company for breaking contracts
CBC.ca - 2 hours ago
By Peter Nowak CBC News Bell Canada’s independent retailers say the company is giving better sales incentives to non-exclusive dealers such as Best Buy and Future Shop.
Retailers sue Bell Toronto Star
Bell Canada sued by independent dealers over reduced commissions The Canadian Press
Reuters Canada - Bloomberg - The Gazette (Montreal) - Canada NewsWire (press release)
all 22 news articles »  TSE:BCE - TSE:RCI.B - TSE:T  Langue : Français »  

 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/crtc-farcical-hearings-on-internet-speed-control/

 

Bell Canada sued by independent dealers over reduced commissions

 

MONTREAL — Bell Canada’s (TSX:BCE) independent retail outlets are suing Canada’s largest telecommunications company for $200 million in an interfamily squabble over reduced commissions.

The Independent Communications Dealer Association of Canada, claiming to represent four-fifths of Bell’s independently operated stores, said Tuesday it has begun litigation in Ontario and Quebec, alleging Bell has broken its contract in several ways.

The association, saying it represents 172 store locations under the Bell, Bell World, Bell Mobility, Espace Bell and Bell Mobilite banners, cites “a downward spiral in our relationship that has escalated under Bell’s current management over the last three years.”

Association president Doris Ronca, who owns two Bell World stores in Montreal, said the group has been trying to negotiate with Bell in good faith to resolve the various problems it faces.

“Unfortunately we’ve reached a dead end and have no other choice but to go to the courts,” she said in an interview.

The dealers have knocked heads with Bell before, and purused a $135 million lawsuit in 2006 against the phone giant over a failed move by the dealers to turn their network into an income trust.

They had hoped to combine their stores in one business and float it on the stock market, but the phone company vetoed the plan.

During much of 2005, income trusts were a hot Bay Street strategy that generated tax advantages for companies that turned themselves into trusts. In late 2006, the Conservative government imposed a tax on new trusts beginning in 2011 that curbed the sector.

At the time, Bell said it would vigorously defend itself in the lawsuit.

Ronca accused Bell of years of mismanagement that has resulted in losing customer and investor brand loyalty and falling from first to third place in the wireless marketplace.

Bell is now punishing its own exclusive dealer channel by not honouring agreements and systematically destroying the competitiveness, reputations and the value of businesses that have been built over 20 years, said Ronca.

“This didn’t just start yesterday. It’s been a problem for several years now.”

The litigation claims Bell has ignored a commitment in March to leave dealers’ fees and commissions untouched until mid-2009.

It alleges that Bell has eliminated until December the payment of commissions for customers that replace handsets and renew contracts. These commissions account for up to 70 per cent of an outlet’s revenues.

It also says commissions for new product sales have been cut by between 10 per cent and 20 per cent.

The impact will be the layoff of more than 300 employees at stores in Quebec and Ontario as they lose $17.5 million in commissions until December, Ronca said.

The association says Bell is providing more lucrative incentives to non-exclusive retailers such as Wireless Wave, Best Buy and Future Shop.

And it says Bell’s direct marketing is undercutting the dealer chain.

The lawsuits claim over $200 million in damages, demand that Bell honour its current agreements, and seek the right to sell products from competitors like Telus, Rogers and new entrants in the mobile-phone business.

Bell Canada couldn’t be immediately reached for comment, but is expected to respond to the lawsuit later Tuesday.

The company’s parent BCE Inc. (TSX:BCE) is in the final stages of completing its $52 billion takeover by an investment group led by the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan Board and its U.S. partners.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iMe48mJFvpeptjUvDW1a0U0zqh1g

Bell Canada Inc.’s independent retailers are suing the company for years of “abusive, arbitrary” business practices that include changing their contracted commissions. The Independent Communications Dealer Association of Canada, which represents 172, or 80 per cent, of Bell’s independent stores, announced on Tuesday it had filed suit against the company for three years of “not honouring agreements and systematically destroying our competitiveness, reputations and the value of our businesses that we have built, some of us for over 20 years,” the group said in a statement. The retailers seek more than $200 million in damages against the company as well as a reversal of all competitive measures listed in its suit, and a commitment to honour its current contract. “Once we sign a contract, we expect that contract to be honoured, but instead, year over year, they make changes to it without our agreement,” said CDAC vice-president Rick Umbrio. “All we’re asking is for Bell to honour their commitments and agreements. We want to be able to negotiate with Bell, put something in writing and they honour it, not change it on the fly.” The final straw in the “downward spiral” of their relationship, Umbrio said, came recently when Bell decided to cut commissions dealers earn on upgrading customers to new phones. The retailers had signed a contract with Bell in March that would leave their commissions untouched until June, 2009.  http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/10/21/tech-bell.html

 and I already have even been saying how bad  Bell is now in regard to keeping contractual agreements even for a whole year now too on the net too.

 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/tag/bell/

 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/i-cannot-trust-you-for-you-lie-to-me-all-the-time/

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Dealing effectively with complaints, problems, bad service , ISP provider-

The company has also adopted rebranded its Bell ExpressVu, Sympatico and residential service in favour of Bell TV, Bell Internet and Bell Home Phone.

 

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Subject: Dealing effectively with complaints, problems, bad service , ISP provider-

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The Written Complaints are always an important way to identify areas of much needed improvement, and  they can lead to significant  improvements eventually.

 

You might be so dissatisfied with your phone company, ISP provider, or whatever? and next most persons will simply transfer their account  immediately  to another firm, another service provider entirely, but beware you may still have to deal with the penalty for breaking the contract,  and in reality such an approach does not do anything to alleviate or likely help the same problem that many other customers next will also have. If you help  to deal with it all now properly it may all take more  time but in the end it will generally, if done right, next  bring positive changes and great regards for  and from other now as well.

 

Some of the most common areas of complaints, difficulty are as follow:

• Advertisements - for complaints about the truth, accuracy, ethics or legality of advertisements, as well as confusing or unclear labeling directions, contact the Minister of Consumer Affairs
• Bills - for complaints about problems with your phone bill, or ISP in the first instance you should contact the telephone or ISP  service provider. If you are not satisfied with their response then contact not only the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman   but many others as well.. You might also want to contact the nearest office of your federal, state, provincial consumer affairs ministry now too..
• Fixed Line or Mobile Phone Contracts – The actual contract that supplies you with a mobile or fixed line telephone is a trade agreement. These come under contract law and contracts are sometimes disputed as being either unfair or unfulfilled. In these cases, again you should firstly contact the organization with whom you signed the contract. If you are not satisfied with their response then again, contact the nearest office of the Department of Consumer affairs.
• The Quality of the Telephone Service or ISP now . Again, in the first instance you should always take up any complaint regarding the quality of the telephone service with your service providers as well as to the others.
• Radio and Television Program Content For radio or television broadcast program content (not advertising), the federal  Broadcasting Authority  is generally responsible for ensuring that programs ‘reflect community standards’. They all will  asks that you first make your complaint directly to the broadcaster concerned. They say that if a station fails to answer your written complaint within thirty days, or if you are otherwise still not happy with their response, you should then contact them,

How to Make an Effective Complaint -   General Rules

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The first simple, honest step is to contact the organization that you do have the problem with, and to tell them next preferably always  in writing next too, specially  that you want to make a complaint and you are also going to detail it in writing to them and to many others for further references now too.

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Before making the specific contact, – make sure you do now have a clear idea about exactly what you are going to ask them. tell them. Do generally take some detailed, specific notes and do have them in front of you so you don’t get distracted or next forget any part of the essential information you want to share with them too. If possible,  do also have a proposed resolution to your complaint that you would be fully happy with  and present this to them too. Assemble a pen first now, and all the information that might be necessary for you to refer to, in front of you, out it all  in writing on  a page even before you call, including the initial telephone number, account number and billing address and next also the subsequent references given to you. . If you are calling about a specify phone or ISP account, bill, try to make sure you have a reference copy of it in front of you. The more prepared you are for the first telephone call, the more likely  you will also need it when you have call back again later. Rarely does even phone call or one letter suffice. Do talk also to your friends, neighbors, and do also see if they had the same problem now too.

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You do try to phone them firm first and follow it up with a confirming letter next too.  Do Stay in control always without being interrupted or distracted by the others. State your case as calmly as possible, and note this do even repeat it to them especially  if they are not listening to you, or if they as usual falsely try to lie to you, try to divert the topics, your complaint now. However, you should always plan to make a telephone call when you are feeling in full control, time  to deal with the problem..

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Have a pen and paper ready in front of you. Take note always of the date and tie time you call, how long you waited before your call was answered, how long you had talked for  and the name of the person you spoke to. In the future it might be even helpful for you to monrtstily bill the same  firm for wasting your time in their not addressing the problem. That should get their notice now next  too and show how serious you are in getting the problems, conflict resolve in an adequate manner now still too.

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Remember always that when presenting  most complaints it takes  some time, prepare to be ready for the time to pass, but do know also as to how to handle the false delays. Send them always  next with a copy to others a reminder letter, email that you are waiting for an adequate response to your specific complaint for a start.

When any person  does  experience service or equipment problems, their resulting dissatisfactions,  complaints now can be  often even more compounded by them not being able to directly firstly to talk to or to deal with anyone that is really helpful about the problem, in a position of authority to do so now,  even firstly now without waiting for hours on the telephone for a firm’s initial or subsequent responses – note the delays sometimes this is a deliberate act by the firms to discourage you from initially now making the complaint. The reality  thus often still is that you may always need to wait a long while before your phone call is answered and if you can’t now really wait, your next numerous unsuccessful attempts also to speak with someone will ultimately not only  waste your time but will also increase your frustration.  Anger can be a common reaction the reality that the  service and equipment problems  that too often are not quickly and effectively solved, or one too often being cut off over and over again, or rather buck passed,  transferred to others again and again, or put on hold or the telephone phones are answered by electronically generated voice systems that lyingly promise to return your call now are also rightfully extremely annoying..

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A common false tactic  now used by too  many firms, municipalities, services is to try to cut you off  the phone or your post , by lyingly finding some excuse to deal with you even like saying that you are rude or what ever. Merely repeat to them calmly your specific request stating that you want to talk to someone that can effectively help you with your  specific complaints and can you be passed  to that person, manager? If at any time you feel you are becoming upset, cool down, and remind yourself why you are calling, what you are doing. Simply  using the free , holding time to write down  the basic complaints,  details even for their later use if nerd be. Ask for their name, the name of their managers, and their email now as well and tell them you intend to write about it, posting your complaint to others, on the net as well. If they cut you off, a normal course of action from the much too many  bad firms and their bad customer service departments these days too now, persist and get a proper mailing address still.

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Complaining by phone, or face to face  generally means there is no undeniable record of the event, even that it had now ever occurred, transpired. Some how many more persons next do tend to be responsive when the see the undeniable complaint in writing, but not always. Thus the Follow up letters are also generally essential. Do always  resort to writing letters with copies to the related managers, and your local elected representatives, news media so they too ALL  can be informed and ALL CAN act upon it.

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The problem also with using just the phone to deal with a complaint, is that there is no record of what really has happened especially when the outcomes now are too often mostly negative. Do still understand that there are much too many unrepentant, pretentious firms that hire too many liars to defy the complaints, truths. Even here your witnessed  public exposure will help to bring this out into the open, to light so others can deal with it effectively too. No one can deny your own personal witness if detailed in writing now too. The Pen is always mightier than the sword still too these days.

Appropriate disclosures to the right parties, the persons who have the power to make changes, executives, news media, elected officials, regulating bodies too  can work wonders next too.

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A good complaint letter will probably help you to get the best results quicker. A signed written complaint, with at least your full name, address and telephone number  is always  important, effective even on one made by e-mail. You should receive an adequate, serious  written response within a reasonable time period at the most within 30 days at the most if not sooner. It is always best to write a letter to the company outlining your concerns, an email is acceptable as long as you send copies of it to others. Do also  Request that they reply to your complaint in writing and keep their letter in case you need it in future.

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According to Ellen Phillips, author of Shocked, Appalled and Dismayed! How to Write Letters of Complaint, the most effective letters of complaint include some of these five key elements:

1. Direct a copy of the the letter to the highest-ranking person in the organization as well and to the Consumer and Government Organizations as well:
2. Construct a strong opening sentence even as to what you want, expect  from them, and do sate it to be done within a reasonable period of time too.
3. Describe the problem complaint  concisely and factually including any steps you have already taken
4. Clearly do also  Imply that the company will not only  lose your business but hat of many  others too for you will share it with them too. Tell them  that  you also now cannot be sued by anyone of posting or for telling the truth. That you also do welcome any subsequent threats of a lawsuit as it will being the whole matter into the open and give it more much  needed publicity too.
5. Do Place all the responsibility for resolving  the complaints with the recipient and their related mangers even for their rightfully blame in their  failure to solve the problem you had rightfully addressed to them already too.

If the telephone or internet service provider does not solve your problem you could also contact one of the  relevant external complaint-handling agencies: If any of them now do not resolve your problem for you in a way that you are happy with, you can and often should take the process even a step further and all in writing now too, meanwhile also making the whole process publically posted on the internet, available to the news media and the local elected officials will also help to weed out the much too many pretentious pretentious bad   regulators as well. I have rightfully followed all this myself too now. The darkness tends to hate the light , being exposed to all.

YOUR RIGHT TO END THE CONTRACT WHEN IT CHANGES. When your contract with your mobile, internet, fixed-line or VoIP (net phone) service provider changes, often you will have a right to end the contract early without having to pay additional fees (eg cancellation or termination fees). Your original contract has been breached, changed if monthly access fees or call rates increase and also if download limits or free monthly call credits have been reduced. Firms that breach a contract can now also expect a penalty payment now to you as well for doing so. See also basic contract laws.

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/basic-contract-law/ http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/18/on-how-to-deal-with-it/ http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/hanging-up-on-early-exit-fees/

About contracts mer.vic.gov.au/CA256EB5000644CE/page/Shopping+Trading+%26+Pricing-Contracts-About+Contracts?OpenDocument&1=920-Shopping+Trading+%26+Pricing~&2=110-Contracts~&3=0-About+Contracts~

If for example you entered into a 24 month mobile phone contract and after say 2 months your call rates increased, you will have a right to cancel the contract and not have to pay a cancellation or early termination fee. If your service provider refuses to waive a cancellation/termination fee in these circumstances, you can contact the others

Taking the Problem next to an External complaints, regulating Agency can be really cumbersome, and also even take a long time, so contact the local news media first. You can Search the internet for the news media editors  contacts and your local elected officials now too.

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Public exposure and prosecuting of the major guilty, bad persons, firms, serves everyone’s best interest always too. Being now still nice to any of the bad guys is a total waste of time for they next still have no reasons to make any of the much needed positive changes.

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As a consumer, it is often still difficult to know where to go to resolve complaints,  disputes, especially if something you have bought goes wrong, the cost of going to court, the hassle,  it is often more than your purchase is worth but  now there is a much cheaper and often effective approach, use the internet, for all justice is not necessary better handle in the court of laws, and that approach is still full  public exposure.

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So how is the clearly unacceptable immoral Bell Sympatico now still handling all of my rightful 280 letter of  complaints to them, and when can I get proper responses from all of the parties concerned now too, even in the government? Or do I still have to write about it to all over and over again even on the net?

 

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/libel-lawsuits/ http://mywebpage.netscape.com/CtznK287/bell.htm

 

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, Corporations  who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress   you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,

 

Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/buyer-beware-beware/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/

“It’s all to convince to convey that Bell is and has gotten better,” Bell Mobility president Wade Oosterman said in an interview.

But telecom analyst Carmi Levy of AR Communications said the changes will have little impact unless they are accompanied by a dramatic improvement to customer service.

“You can change your logo and you can change the name of your offering until the cows come home but if you don’t change the fundamental way that you operate, then the rebranding effort will be for not,” the Toronto-based analyst said in an interview.

He said Bell needs to be less adversarial and aggressive with customers and more responsive to their needs.

“This needs to be just the first salvo in an ongoing effort to become a softer friendlier company to deal with.”

New Bell chief executive George Cope has promised to improve customer service as it completely overhauls the vast business. The Montreal-based company recently announced plans to shed 15 per cent of management and sell non-core assets.

 http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/%e2%80%9ccanada%e2%80%99s-worst-cell-phone-bill%e2%80%9d/

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No Hidden Agenda

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Don’t make the mistake thinking, believing that all of these supposedly professing Christian Internet  sites have no hidden agenda, or that they are fair, honest, and they do allow everyone to talk openly freely on the posted subject now too, or the rather too often the posted lies and distortions. Best way to catch a sucker is with live, good looking bait still too. For in reality too often the right of FREE SPEECH that right still that is not so for all of us. Not on the all of the  professing Christians sites now as well..

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Speaking of hidden agendas. And what are some common examples of them? Promotion of self? Promotion of pet theology? Basing others to make oneself feel better hopefully? Working for the devil? etc.,

“Pride and humility are two of the most basic distinguishing characteristics between the true and the false.” http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:mzLW88CKXgYJ:www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/5039+Elijah+list+Rick+Joyner

BUT FOR SURE YOU CAN FIRST  ADD TO THAT  “the real love of others” or rather too often it’s lack of thereof?

>>”I firmly believe that Latter Rainers like Wagner, Bentley, et al all subscribe to the idea that Christ will return in Spirit only which in essence denies his incarnation identifying them as antichrist.” http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/rick-joyner-the-apostle-paul-and-the-antichrist/

DO NOTE  HERE ABOVE WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW THE AUTHOR  HAD FALSELY DESIGNATED HIS OPINION AS BEING THAT OF HIS OPPONENTS.. but the author did not mention if  he had contacted the person he was talking with firstly before as well, or of he had sent to him a copy of the DISSECTION now too? To be fair, and decent about it all too.

still such  unsubstantiated false presuppositions statement of his  now destroys any creditability he  may want us too believe he now has firstly too!!

Before anyone tries to bash  EVEN the Pentecostals still..

TELL ME HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN GOING TO A PENTECOSTAL CHURCH FIRSTLY ? FOR HOW MANY YEARS TOO?

IF YOU HAD READ MY POSTS YOU WOULD HAVE ALSO KNOWN I ALREADY HAVE SAID THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY.. THE TRUTH AND THE DISTORTION..

Like I have said…Now too often I myself also do not agree with the comments, free speech, but I merely tend to disregard it it next..

but what I do rightfully oppose still any and all free speech especially on the so called Christian Churches Internet sites, that is lying, slanderous, insulting, abusive, bullying, bashing.. such as the false bash of Pentecostals by the Brethren, Baptists, Reformed, etc., haters. Or the supposedly evangelical Baptist pastor who had said in the pulpit that he could not understand what Hitler did that was so bad, I helped to fire him , he now sells life insurance instead..

So many Churches, sites claim to be the sole Christian truth now these days, they are using the same Bible too, they even claim they are non denominational Christians, but they do still preach a different Jesus, a different Bible, a different sound too.. and their theology is easily identifiable too clearly as dispensationalist, Baptist or Brethren as well.. and not honestly a non denominational one as they had claimed to all even this listed site included now.. are guilty of deciet. I firmly and rightfully do believe that all of these Pentecostals bashers, bullies, do know of God, but they personally still do not know Him.

In love the Pentecostal bashers, critics under disguise of supposedly posting the truth, who mostly still do use the same unoriginal, ungodly, lame-brained, fool’s types of arguments, are not only clearly dishonest, uninspired, boring but they do also mostly have a personal agenda that is so transparent that sadly they are a basic embarrassment, their agenda clear involves the fact want to uplift themselves, their own gospel, sect, denomination mostly still as well. In love they should really read and practice the whole Bible firstly themselves.   

http://christiantheology.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/god-said-to-me/ When people attempt to subjectively add to that word, by saying God said this or God told me that, they may be in danger of becoming false prophets? So are also many of the poeople who deny that God had spoken to the others.. all as simple as that too..      

God speaks to us through many ways.. He speaks through his words, the Bible, through his holy spirit, through pastors, through others, through other means.. but no matter how God now speaks to us we all do need to be the ones open to hear him and to also to obey him in what he says, plus to continually seek Him continuously and to seek His way. Whether he speaks in a still small voice, or in a a loud external voice, he still speaks to us all today.. By the way I can tell the difference between God is speaking to me, the Holy Spirit is speaking to me and Jesus speaking to me too, or the devil, or my own thoughts, and can we all ?

 

Clearly one of the unique, great, valid emphasis of the Pentecostals from the other denominations is also their emphasis on personally hearing God speak. even personally and collectively speaking to us, verbally individually or in a collective setting by prophecy.   

For a complete discussion on the Voice of the Lord, see My Sheep Hear My Voice.  We all must strive unto perfection unto Holiness but the truth in Christ is we can never be free from sin totally here on earth, for we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the power in us may be manifested as coming from God and not from us, http://pbulow.tripod.com/voice.html  http://www.hallvworthington.com/teacher.html

   

Just cause God chose not to speak to you does not mean he God does not speak to others still too.  Sadly also everyone not only does not practice what they preach to others, and/or claims to be preaching the Gospel, using the same Bible, rather is tends to be the Gospel, the Bible according to them too often and not the one according to the Holy Spirit. We all now still should really get back to the Bible personally, and stop listening to mere men, and learn to listen to God and his Holy spirit

still the unsubstantiated false presuppositions, distortions, false accusations of the accuser of the brethren , the Devil himself destroys any creditability he may want us too believe that he has firstly

LOVE, Meekness and Humility: God’s Cure for Pride, Arrogance and Haughtiness.

The other day someone had written and said that Christians should be in one accord based on doctrines and truths.. God says it should be rather one accord in prayer and love..

Doctrines rather too often still are a false excuse to divorce, not to fellowship with another Christian brother for whom I still really have no love for myself and rather than deal with myself and admit the reality, I deny it by divorcing him or her…

(Gal 5:24 KJV) And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

and you can include those too often common now still ungodly, unholy doctrinal, denominational wars in the churches and on the internet now too.

There is a false holiness. It looks like the real thing, but the more you look into it, you see the error… and there is also a false Christian profession too, false submissions, false assertiveness or aggressiveness, not just false preaching, even a false Jesus Christ that is being worshipped, one that is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible.. some people even still do preach out of guilt, shame, ambition and not out of love. Preaching is not an acceptable alternative to living the Bible daily oneself.

Like I have said many a times too sadly still, one mistake by a Catholic, Pentecostal, Charismatic preacher and it is undeniable, clearly seems even on the net too that the other professing Christians are quick and ready to kill the wounded, to even bury them with further lies, distortions, slanders.. and what ever! The reaction of these still rather other bad guys is quite revealing, it firstly shows they have no love themselves too. That kind of approach won’t do much for the critics’ own positive feeling of personal self worth, self esteem too. They clearly must really hate themselves next for doing so as well. So what happened to the Biblical instruction of personally showing love, staying humble, meek too?

>>Spurgeon on the Christian Soldier’s Great Love

I am honest enough to admit that I do  have a problem with Spurgeon, how could this man of God who said he loves God, others supossedly, he  himself was not be able to stop smoking cigars now?
.. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/hard-to-tell-the-difference/

  

(Gal 6:1 KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

(Mat 5:5 KJV) Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

(Mat 11:29 KJV) Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

http://beyondfaith.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/for-fun-and-prophet/    “It is possible that God could grant anyone today the gift of prophecy; He is God and can do whatever He deems needed for mankind. With that being said, it is very unlikely that He does so though.” .. and this is absolute absurd Bible reinterpreation now  still too..

(Mat 10:41 KJV)  He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.

 

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,

 

Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

http://pbulow.tripod.com/proph.html

http://pbulow.tripod.com
http://groups.msn.com/AFOLLOWEROFCHRIST
http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome

http://pbulow.tripod.com/essentials.html
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com
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Libel

Canada’s  Supreme Court throws out libel case against outspoken B.C. talk show host   VANCOUVER — The country’s top court has absolved former Vancouver radio personality Rafe Mair of defamation for a commentary.   The Supreme Court of Canada decision in the defamation suit also broadened a key defence often used by journalists to ward off libel actions. In a 9-0 judgment Friday, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that Mair was engaging in fair comment in the 1999 radio editorial that was critical of Kari Simpson, a high-profile player in a campaign opposing the use of teaching materials about gay lifestyles in local schools. In the course of the editorial, the controversial former radio commentator made references to the Klan, Hitler and skinheads, although he claimed he wasn’t saying that Simpson actually advocated violence against gays. The judge went on, however, to say that Mair wasn’t liable for damages because he held an honest belief in the views he expressed – one of the traditional elements in the legal defence long known as fair comment. The Supreme Court, in Friday’s judgment   went on to rewrite the legal test for such a defence.  There was no proof that Mair’s dominant motive was personal malice,   and thus “his expression of opinion, however, exaggerated, was protected by the law. “We live in a free country where people have as much right to express outrageous and ridiculous opinions as moderate ones.” A key component of the fair comment defence has long been that the person making the comment must sincerely believe in it. In the course of the ruling, however, the high court modified that test. Commentary must still have a factual basis, be made without malice and be in the public interest, said Binnie. But the test of honest belief is not whether the specific person holding the opinion believed it. The yardstick is whether any person might honestly hold the view based on the facts at issue. Binnie acknowledged that is “not a high threshold” for any defendant to met. But neither is it appropriate to rule out “a piece of devil’s advocacy” in any debate on a matter of public importance.  Mair, who no longer works at the station, said he’s glad they took the case to the high court. “This could be a enormous benefit to the journalism industry and therefore, to the people that read and watch it,” Mair said in Vancouver. http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5jdP5CRF6hm0H_fuYFL_m6d_jI7GQ

Too many people  still do believe in their own sole right of free speech still but they  do next try to deny these same right of others by even threatening to sue them for libel, slander.. sound Familiar Mr Stephen Harper PM of Canada? or Bell Sympatico? or the Toronto Airport Fellowship Church pastors? Benny Hynn? etc.,’

The pastors of the Toronto airport fellowship Church and many other pastors, Christians groups on the net  had asked me in writing not to write to them, and what they can preach about the sins of others but I can’t do that to them? What hypocrisy on their parts now still too.  Even in the churches, evangelical pastoral sections there are much too many really bad unacceptable apples still out there. Too often now our personal rights in this country are now slowly being forcibly demanded to ne sidetracked to accommodate others wishes … Imagine what Canada would be like if any of the church pastors, government forcibly told the citizens, the columnists, editors, commentators what they could and could not publish. Imagine if we had something like a Ministry of Truth, a Ministry of the Media, a Ministry of Thought. If that doesn’t scare you then you rightfully  scare me. These bullying groups appear to be using any angle within the law, courts,  or their influence to try and become our ’superiors’ in some way. It’s about time that truths that are unpalatable to certain sections of our society be allowed to be expressed. We live in a free country, with the right to freedom of expression and speech. Telling the facts does not constitute a ‘hate’ crime now as well. Only those people who want to curtail or own freedoms while they use theirs  would call this a hate crime. If these various groups or people cannot tolerate anyone’s free speech, or debate, why in the world are they living in the west?  If you don’t like the freedoms that are enjoyed by ALL citizens here, then go live in a country where theirs and your freedom  now is denied.  Without freedom of speech, and the freedom of the press we can no longer claim to be a democratic country. No one has the right to stifle the free dispensing of valuable information. Not even Evangelical pastors.  We must all be be vigilant against any attempts of demonic enslavement of us and the  false hindrances of our own rights.  “Those that try to silence honest, open, and free speech are a danger to this country. I hold that to be true. “

                 

Now in Canada even  I am very used to people the much too many Bullies who  try to falsely dominate you, and these bullies go overboard in their reactions when you expose the truth about them and others  especially when their pet idols, or careers are threatened.  Me I am still rightfully actively resistant  to all of the  abusers, bullies, liars, even to the Church, GOVERNMENTAL, CORPORATE, POLICE  oppressions still too. Even those persons who falsely try to send lawyers or the police to my home to harass me, to try to intimidate me, to shut me up. I clearly do believe in the right of everyone to speak, to speak out as well,  and to be equally heard by all, so we can all judge what has been said if it is appropriate and we can next corresponding act upon it, even in the church, in the government, on the Internet now too. Clearly some people falsely DO DISALLOW THIS RIGHT… the bad persons especially as even I know this for sure. They respond with a personal attack, inquisition, censorship, lies, slanders, diversions, distortions, instead of facing, dealing with the facts, truths being presented. Confirming to many what they still are really like, immoral, abusive bullies.

Blinked? Canadian Human Rights Commission Dismisses Complaint Against Maclean’s

[CNW, Press Release] Maclean’s magazine is pleased that the Canadian Human Rights Commission has dismissed the complaint brought against it by the Canadian Islamic Congress. The decision is in k… more »

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Mind you the same radio station did not like all the bad publicity they got and the radio personality next lost his job anyway.

Anyway all Christians are governed by higher laws even that of showing  love to others, meekness too, humility and purity too… not just whether they can be sued for libel, slander..

Now too often I myself also do not agree with the comments,  free speech, but I merely  tend to disregard it it next..

but what I do rightfully oppose still any and all free speech  especially on the so called Christian Churches Internet sites, that is   lying, slanderous, insulting, abusive, bullying, bashing.. such as the false bash of Pentecostals by the Brethren, Baptists, Reformed, etc., haters. Or the supposedly evangelical Baptist pastor who had said in the pulpit that he could not understand what Hitler did that was so bad, I helped to fire him , he now sells life insurance instead..

( I heard a Muslim recently say the same thing to me, and so I asked him what he thought next if I will post a cartoon with the picture of his so called prophet saying the same thing.. he next quickly got red and objected to it..)

and even here now we all do still have 2 alternatives.. we can post our rebuttal, objections on their Internet site our ours

or next even take the matter  further to the news media, or  before the provincial Human Right Commissions, and others too..

not all justice is handled in the courts of Law or by a lawsuit.

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/libel-2/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/libel-on-the-net/

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