and it took me a while to next figure out what was wrong with a close, personal friend of mine, an evangelical pastor, and also with his associates now too in one of our local churches now too.. for he often had some of the right sounding words.. but some how I knew something was always obviously basically wrong.. it even was the fact he clearly was always now concerned about the Basics of life: food, clothing, shelter, job, image and too often rather.. their concern for having better material things… Hirelings or prostitutes to me it means the same thing.. sadly the last 12 pastors I had personally encountered where now hirelings!
And you will quickly discover there is very little if anything that is freely now given in his church too, on on his websites, but there are plenty of demands, opportunities for you to give your money. This is also typical for many a Word of Faith/Prosperity/Healing ministry and it here too should come as no surprise. Books, tapes and conferences are featured on this website. Opportunities to make an offering or to become a “partner” are also offered.
God punishes still the hirelings in his ministry..
(Job 7:1 KJV) Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?
(Job 7:2 KJV) As a servant earnestly desireth the shadow, and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work:
(Isa 16:14 KJV) But now the LORD hath spoken, saying, Within three years, as the years of an hireling, and the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble.
(Isa 21:16 KJV) For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail:
(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
(Gen 2:16 KJV) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
(Ezra 2:68 KJV) And some of the chief of the fathers, when they came to the house of the LORD which is at Jerusalem, offered freely for the house of God to set it up in his place:
(Ezra 7:15 KJV) And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellors have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem,
(Psa 54:6 KJV) I will freely sacrifice unto thee: I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good.
(Hosea 14:4 KJV) I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
(Acts 26:26 KJV) For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
(Rom 3:24 KJV) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
(Rom 8:32 KJV) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
(1 Cor 2:12 KJV) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
(2 Cor 11:7 KJV) Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
(Rev 21:6 KJV) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
(Rev 22:17 KJV) And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
(2 Tim 4:10 KJV) For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; .
(John 10:12 KJV) But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
(John 10:13 KJV) The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
When Good Preachers Make Bad Pastors: Bringing Balance to Pastoral Ministry
Jim Pile Associate Pastor, Pastoral Care Grace Community Church
. Before we look at principles for shepherding others, we, as pastors can fail in ministry if we don’t keep building on the right “foundation.” What is that foundation? It’s the Word of God as it relates to our own lives. Before we can lead with excellence, we must walk in a manner worthy of our calling.
. Personal holiness is a foundational requirement for true and powerful spiritual leadership.
- 1 Peter 1:15-16 “But like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, ‘You shall be holy, for I am holy.’”
- “A minister may fill his pews, his communion roll, the mouths of the public, but what that minister is on his knees in secret before God Almighty, that he is and no more”
(John Owen, cited in I.D.E. Thomas, A Puritan Golden Treasury [Edinburgh: Bannerof Truth, 1977], 192).
. If personal holiness is a key to effective shepherding, then the following are some common temptations that pastors need to be on the alert for:
I. THE SHEPHERD’S TEMPTATIONS
- Watch out for coveting someone else’s success in ministry!
- Watch out for praise! People praise your sermons/voice/etc. You want more! This abnormal love of praise is a form of covetousness which is as fatal as the greed for money.
2. Carelessness
- Watch out for putting programs over people. “I’m awfully busy!”
- Don’t say to the invalid – “I’ll go tomorrow!”
- Don’t say to the grieving – My next project is more critical to work on today.
- Don’t say to the wandering sheep – “I’ll go after them later!”
3. Money
- Watch out for desire for money or the lack of it.
- Beware making ministry choices based upon getting more money or else having a smoldering attitude toward the church because you don’t get paid enough. [Titus 1:7 - "not given to filthy lucre" (KJV).]
- Don’t become a “hireling” .lacking a shepherd’s heart.working for pay.eyes ever on his wages.his deepest motive is financial gain. His god is self.
- Paul in Acts 20:33-35 – “I have coveted no one’s silver or gold or clothes. You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my own needs and to the men who were with me. In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”
4. Power
- Innate in the souls of men
- Leaders are ambitious men but beware:
o Loving prominence (Diotrephes, 3 John 9-10)
o Craving distinction
o Desiring exalted rank
We need to have the attitude of John the Baptist, “He must increase but I must decrease” (John 3:30).
5. Cynicism
- Beware being hardened by ministry.frustrations over people who don’t change.
“God’s people who treat you worse than the world.”
- Beware when no testimony thrills you anymore, no sermon moves you, no bookmotivates you, or you haven’t read one for quite some time.
6. Success/ Business
- Watch out when your church grows.more meetings, less devotions
- Don’t become CEOs; don’t become managers instead of ministers
- Beware more pragmatism than doctrine, more style than substance, more denominational politics than doctrine.
7. Sexual sin
- Beware sexual sin! It consumes ministers at an alarming rate!
- Statistics on Pastors/ Sexual Sin
. A survey conducted by Christianity Today of its readership in August 2000 revealed that 33% of clergy have visited a sexually explicit Internet site at least once within the past year, of which 53% have done so “a few times.” The survey also revealed that 18% had visited pornographic sites between “a couple of times a month” and “more than once a week” (Christianity Today, March 5, 2001, 44-45).
. 75% of pastors do not make themselves accountable to anyone for their Internet use. (“Leadership” Magazine, “Pastors and Internet Pornography,”
Winter 2001. 2000 Survey, 564 respondents)
. High number of pay-for-view pornographic videos at hotels hosting conferences for pastors. Remove the T.V.
8. Pride (God and people hate this sin the most.)
- Don’t ever think too highly of yourself and your gifts.
- James 4:6 “But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.”
- The greater the influence God gives a pastor, the greater he becomes in his own sight.
- “My ministry,” not God’s!
- Some new or strange doctrine that is not biblical.
“At every stage of our Christian development and in every sphere of our Christian discipleship, pride is our greatest enemy and humility our greatest friend” (John Stott, in Alive to God, p. 119).
. You know of ministers who have fallen or given in to some of these temptations. Within 5 years, ½ of seminary graduates drop out of ministry. Only 1 in 20 remain at 65 years old!
Some of you here today are struggling with some of these temptations. And if you are thinking “I’ll never fall to any of these temptations,” then you haven’t been in ministry for very long.
. Pastoral Epistles – In Paul’s instructions to Titus and Timothy, he mentions thirteen times that ministries were ruined by some of these temptations.
- In 1 Timothy
1:6 there were ministers who had “turned aside to fruitless discussion.”
1:19 some had “suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith.”
4:2 he warned of ministers filled with “the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron.”
6:4 he told Timothy to watch out for the minister who “is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions.”
6:5 Paul spoke of the hold money had on some ministers, for he says, they “suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”
6:20-21 he warned Timothy to avoid ministers characterized by “worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called ‘knowledge’ – which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith.”
- In 2 Timothy 1:15 Paul names two ministers (Phygelus & Hermogenes) who “turned away from me.”
2:16-18 he speaks of ministers whose “talk will spread like gangrene.” Then he names two such ministers (Hymenaeus & Philetus) “who have gone astray from the
truth.”
3:5 he warns of ministers who are “holding to a form of godliness, although theyhave denied its power.”
3:8 these ministers are “men who oppose the truth.”
4:3-4 Paul speaks of ministers who will teach in accordance to the desires of people who “will not endure sound doctrine,” and will “tickle the ears” with myths instead of truth.
- In Titus 1:10-11 he described many ministers as “rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers,
. teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.”
1:16 he warned of ministers who “profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.”
continued http://audio.gracechurch.org/sc/2005notes/PileWhenGoodPreachersMakeBadPastors.pdf
PS and why does all of this remind me still of our professing Christian Prime Minister Stephen Harper now as well?
Loves rye (or beer) and hockey…
But the New Beginnings Ministry 9412 Rue Clement Lasalle, QC H8R1T5 Phone: (514) 363-1080., where the hireling Stéphane Chauvette Associate Pastor had falsely denied that Harper drinks Alcohol.. so REALLY NOW I cannot trust him, for he lies to me all the time for he cannot face reality
[...] be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishopric let another take. do see also http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/a-hireling-in-an-evangelical-church/ http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/the-hireling/
Bad pastors, bad elders continue to exist cause likely the congregation is bad too. (Jer 5:31 KJV) The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
It has always confounded me as to why the crooks, abusers too often do still do think they can get away with now, next and forever.
FOR WE TEND TO KNOW THAT THEY THE CROOKS, ABUSERS TOO, NOW ARE NOT ABOUT TO STOP THEIR WRONG DOINGS. RATHER THEY WILL NEXT EVEN ESCALATE, CONTINUE IN THEM. AND THAT IS ANOTHER VALID REASON THEY DO NEED TO BE EXPOSED, PROSECUTED AND STOPPED. EVEN FOR THE GOOD OF US ALL.
just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Cartoons Canada’s political scene continued
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Almost since my first job after graduating from university I had learned that generally most people still are not to be trusted, they always do need to be supervised, and corruption still exists in construction, universities, municipalities, governments, corporations, amongst professionals and politicians as well. Here is what I know for sure in Canada that the proper policing, management , supervision human rights commissions are a real fact of life, in our society, in schools, life, in churches, governments, commerce, institutions, civil and public services, professional services too, and elsewhere, even on the net, for you will always have those 30 percent at least of the persons who will try to cheat, lie , steal, bend the rules, falsely believe they are above the laws. Self regulation alone is too often pretentious, farcical, often not applied as well. That applies especially to the professionals, civil and public services, police, municipalities, politicians, pastors now as well.
You can fool most of the people most of the time, some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all the time.. nevertheless a good name is worth more than any silver or gold you acquire, and a bad name is disrespected even after the person’s death. One of the most surprising things to me in real life was to witness, experience. and many times now too, that the real bad, immoral con men, liars, thieves, fakers, imposters, pretenders do often like to be associated with a Christian Church .. and can hold positions as Pastors, elders now too..
One of many real life examples, from my childhood days in my local Church I had now encountered a fellow evangelical church attendee, who next years later was eventually arrested for possession of stolen property and for a time went to prison for it. It now next was of course a shock to hear next that this same person years later when he left prison had became an ordained evangelical Pastor. A shock cause there was no real evidence in fact that he had even changed.. Now decades later the same person now claimed to be a chaplain, visiting sailors on ships, and was supposedly conducting church services. The same person had become the owner of various store buildings and apartments, and he also owned and ran an antique shop as well. I next happened to rent one of the apartments from him as well. Upon which I clearly had discovered, often had witnessed that he still was a fake, for he now also was involved in tax evasions, welfare fraud as well. He used his position as a Church chaplain to buy medals, uniform, war souvenirs from visiting port sailors and next to resell them in his antique store for cash even. He in fact had not changed at all, he was still a crook.. So excuse me when now someone claims to me that such and such a person is now a really good person. In reality I rightfully next tend to first check it out firsthand, for rightfully I no longer believe what most people tell me. And especially how good PM Stephen Harper now is too.
One evangelical says the PM Stephen Harper is a good evangelical Christian, and another one says he is not? so who are we really to believe now too?
Attack on Harper out of line – Winnipeg Free Press – Apart from knowing he was raised a Presbyterian and now attends a Christian and Missionary Alliance Church with his family, we, the public, know nothing about what he personally believes. author: Email: dhaskell@wlu.ca “David Haskell” http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/westview/attack-on-harper-out-of-line-65930672.html
Just for a start this bluntly is an Ostrich denial, distortion of reality. For we all do know what a man really believes by what he does, not what he says, so if he cheats, lies, steals, slanders, discriminates, shows false partiality, abuses others then that is what he is.. Still now why anyone would now absurdly try to deny that PM STEPHEN HARPER IS A fundamental evangelical when so many of his conservative supporters so readily claim it, so do many Canadian evangelical pastors, even an Albertan Christian radio station too.. UNDENIABLY THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BEING LITTLE BIT PREGNANT, BEING LIBERAL, ESPECIALLY FOR ALL BORN AGAIN EVANGELICALS, unlike some of the other professing Christian groups. It is very clear now that the new Conservative Canadian spin doctors are now trying to cover up the existence of any PM Stephen Harper hidden fundamental Christian agendas by presenting him to be a really moderate liberal Christian. Harper’s own Christian Missionary Alliance you must be born again Church itself is not a moderate one when they are one of the few Churches that do these days proclaim Healing to be now a daily, divine Christian right and also attaining personal holiness, sanctification by the Holy Spirit too..
And what the lying spin doctors would try to say Harper was not a basic self proclaiming fundamental evangelical ? get real now.. who are you lying too? But to yourself mainly.. How absurd for anyone now even to deny this that Harper has many fundamental evangelical values even confirmed this by Harper now appointing court judges who hold his religious values.. that was why he supports family values too, Harper is against abortion, gays, bad drug usage as well.. but what was surprising is he Harper undeniably buys alcohol for others.. playboy next too? So no this is not an acceptable evangelical trait for sure.
But since I too have attended his Christian and Missionary Alliance Church ( actually a Corporation) I am not surprised they also are far from perfect, they also do do have a lot of non Christian practices like Harper does too, such as they do also lie, despise poor people, also natives, immigrants, discriminate and are racists, bigots, show false partiality, like to give good jobs to their friends as well.. They too are a Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde now. PM Stephen Harper has fundamental values when it comes to dealing with others but has liberal values when it comes to dealing with himself and his own colleagues.. Transparency, accountability, openness are more of Stephen Harper ONGOING LIES NOW TOO.
Now maybe for the ignorant who do not know what a fundamental Evangelical culture is like, but since I went even to Christian and Missionary Alliance Church church for 8 years too I know what they believe in the WASP, sexiest, chauvinistic Alliance church,( very unlike the Baptist Church too) actually a Corporation, run by the district superintended and not managed or owned by the local congregation even, a Church that despises the poor and needy persons, also racists, also despises natives not just new immigrants.. and this is no ordinary fundamental Christian church, for it is not accepted by the majority of Christians, who in fact do not tend to know that this so called church even exists or what they basically believes, so the majority of Christians, fundamental evangelical Christians too, they do not really believe the Alliance Church as having their similar Christian values now as well even.. Also fundament evangelicals as opposed to Catholics, Anglicans too, are abstainers, do not drink alcohol, which Harper clearly and undeniably does, so here too he PM Stephen Harper now even personally does not even practice the basic tenet of the evangelical Christian faith too. The Alliance Church, Jesus as Savior, Sanctifier, Deliverer, Healer, Coming King, does not have a main doctrinal statement now of helping the poor people (Gal 2:10 KJV) Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. Harper for me still is a fundamentalist for he does wrongfully believe that the Bible says the Jews are still God’s chosen, and yes the same Bible says only a man is the head of the home too.. the Bible says no marital divorce, and no gay marriages, and he Harper supports relationship divorces, borking, marginalization of others.. never the less also he Harper is a Liberal when it comes to alcohol, lying, abusing others, money matters, or dealing with his own wrong doings or that of his supporter ..
NOW EVANGELICAL PRIME MINISTER Stephen Harper of Canada, you the Prime Minister are also now reputed to have a keen knowledge of rock music, do Love rye (or beer) and hockey… For as George W. Bush is on record as Harper saying if you don’t drink Canadian beer you’re a pansy but firstly this is not at all important even.. http://200milesup.newsvine.com/_news/2007/04/08/560786-world-leaders-that-confirm-their-countries-stereotypes-with-pictures etc.,
But never the less I rightfully still now do expect better from you even over what the previous Prime Ministers, political parties have done, after all you had claimed to be a real Christian and so it is time you also do visibly act like it now too in reality, not in mere words.. and so please deal properly with all the issues that rightfully concern all Canadians now too.. not just your own…
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/dealing-only-with-one-leaking-hole-of-many-in/
” Everybody?” With all due respect , even if it was true, which we all know it is not , that doesn’t make it right still. The Conservatives often say that “Everybody has done it, everybody is doing it ” is firstly still basically, really not true for I am not doing it. Many of us are basically cynical now about the politicians and the political games they play. For example, they always promise not to play games and promise to keep all of their promises too . In reality Prime Minister Stephen Harper has no valid job creation, economic recovery vision and is instead using public funds to secure Tory seats. Prime Minister now also acts like a Liberal, talks like a Liberal and spends money like a Liberal, so really what is he ? A non Conservative.. but meanwhile the Conservatives say that Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff, will raise taxes if he is elected and so next what is the difference anyway now under Harper, who in spite of whatever he say will have to cut back on our social programs and raise our taxes sooner or later.. so which federal leader “is on the right track to keep taxes low? reality, none of them..” And based on the present actual economic recovery it is very unlikely the economic growth will be enough to pay off the deficits.. As fixated as politicians are on balanced budgets, no Canadian political leader, not even Stephen Harper, is going to be able to keep from raising taxes with a projected $100-billion federal deficit” It is time the Conservative politicians, all those other Conservative MPs who, at photo-op cheque presentations have repeatedly given the impression Government of Canada economic stimulus money is coming from them personally, and not the government, and including Prime Minister Stephen Harper started coming clean and honest with all Canadians. For to make sure Canadians know about their poor in reality “economic action plan,” the Harper Conservatives have now even wasted millions of dollars – millions of tax dollars – on a massive advertising campaign, including TV commercials and billboards. ” These ads, of course, do not change the reality that tens of thousands of Canadian workers are running out of employment insurance benefits, their workplaces closed down and their pensions gone up in smoke. ” Despite the Conservatives Government claiming to be good fiscal managers, and now still next best qualified to manage the economy. Billions of dollars in past Liberal surpluses evaporated under Harper – even before the real recession hit Canada. Reality “This government’s stimulus package has failed, “Stimulus funds are not going into areas that need it — the forestry and manufacturing sectors and into places with high unemployment”, for “what they wanted to do was keep the money up in Ottawa and dole it out to Conservative ridings and their friends, “says Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff too.
(Mat 5:13 KJV) Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
(Luke 6:43 KJV) For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
see also
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/harper-finds-even-more-jobs-for-the-faithful/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/canadas-conservative-prime-minister-stephen-harper/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/the-canadian-new-conservative-party-wolves-in-sheep-clothing/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/taiwanization-or-borking/
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[...] I have often appreciated the Holy spirit insights, revelations otherwise I too would have been continued to deceived by the devil.. For 3 times in my life I have now had colorful dreams specifically of a very fat large snake associated with certain persons, even relatives, a pastor, and the Calgary police, and in the dreams next I saw the snakes dissolve, disappear because of God.. and God there had let me know what had happened .. he God had delivered me from the evil, set me free.. man I appreciated it very much too.
It was also a great relief, blessing to be told by God how crooked the local pastor now also really was.. it set my mind at ease, cause I had known something was wrong, and it had continued to disturb me..
(Rom 8:29 KJV) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
(Rom 12:2 KJV) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
(Rom 8:28 KJV) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
(1 John 5:19 KJV) And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
(1 John 5:20 KJV) And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
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Now a Baptist pastor had cheated, for he had short circuited the elders, deacons church selection process, he had the nominating committee first, before any selection submit the names to him for his prior approval of their supposedly spiritual qualifications and he thus by thes emans had elected his bad friends.. one Sunday evening as I was leaving the church and shaking hands with the pastor, he unexpectedly said to me “ this is my church and if you do not like it get out”.. shocked and surprised I said to the pastor if I have offended you let me meet you now this week Tuesday night and you can bring any two witnesses you want as well and we can discuss the matter. So he agreed and I knew that he would bring the head elder and the head deacons.. as I walked into the pastor’s office on Tuesday day night, the founding church pastor said immediately to me wipe the smirk of your face.. so I immediately said.. hey pastor let us also now make this quick, “Did you or did you not say to me this is my church and if you do not like it get out?” And you should have seen the shock on the deacon and elder’s faces. The pastor seeing this too next said you cannot hear any charges from this man for I am a senior and if you listen to him I will resign. I said “Pastor if you want to resign, do so, but cut of the emotional black main and answer the question”.. he resigned instead, and became a life insurance salesman rather next.. But now I still had a problem with the crooked head elder this Church so I tried to first talk to him about his immoral acts and lack of spirituality, he admitted to me that he had no time to read the Bible even.. but it was useless to talk to him for he laughed me off. So next the elder came to see me and said “you know when you told everyone about my lack of spirituality it did not bother me, it was your word against mine, but when you next had put it in writing to all to see it hurt”.. and I said back to him.. “is that what it takes to cause you to rightfully repent?” seems people tend to believe the truth only if it is in wring these days.. and ever since that day I have also next been posting unacceptable, unrepented of sins of many, many a bad pastors and elder on the net but few of them next repented, less than 5 percent next, some of them even moved rather out of town instead.. and many were rightfully fired next. The next few churches I went to now were not any better..
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-deacons-bad-elders-bad-church/
[...]In Real Life
I wish in real life it was possible to get along with everyone, to be nice with everyone, but in real life that is not true, not possible now- for 30 percent of the persons I encounter do need to be arrested and be put in jail for their crimes, for their wrong doings, abuses.. That includes the liars, thieves, control freaks, bullies now too.. and it does not matter whether the person is a clergy, a university graduate, professional, a lawyer, civil or public servant or whatever now too.
One of the worst things you can do is to think that such a person, spouse, relative, family member, pastor, politician is a nice guy, OR ANY INSTITUTION, CHURCH NOW AS WELL and so it is worth being worshipped, praised.. well cause very shortly God will show you really what even the person now is really like, a sinner like all the rest of us.. and the political party, organization, church you worshipped.. If you also do try to maintain you are a good person now as well, God will not let that false pride stand before him as well and he will show to you and many others what you really are still are like.. For God is a jealous God and will have no false idols NOW before him.. God says without me you can do nothing, nothing good that will last permanently, that the canker worms will next not destroy as well.. I have seen so many good guys in my life, some have been my close good friends, but real life next showed to us all what they really were like next too.. sinners.
What 40 percent of persons do not trust cops? My opinion of cops went much lower when I myself had actually tried to use their services in reality. Many people also undeniably now blame the cops for the existence of the much too many crooked white collared crimes, business persons, and bad stockbrokers, bad civil and public servants in reality. 50 percent of persons do not trust the clergy? OR Funeral directors or accountants
ACTUALLY IF YOU NEXT DO SPEND ONE DAY WORKING DIRECTLY WITH A CLERGY YOUR OPINION MIGHT SIGNIFICANTLY WORSEN, FOR I KNOW MINE ALWAYS HAS.
– Majority of persons do not trust : Journalists, Labour union leaders , Provincial government officials, Building contractors , Lawyers , Bankers , Real estate agents, MPP’s/MLA’s , Car salespeople , Business executives , Stockbrokers. Politicians known to be as bad as the used car salesmen
THERE ARE NO SURPRISES HERE FOR WE SEEM TO ALSO THINK MOST OF THESE PEOPLE CAN BE EASILY BOUGHT OR WILL SELL THEMSELVES FOR MONEY.
And with all the latest recession, Ponzi scandals it is not surprising that the Business executives and Stockbrokers are not trustworthy .
And most PEOPLE STILL DO THINK THAT ALL CEOs ARE SIGNIFICANTLY OVERPAID.. and even the University administrators.
PM Stephen Harper is being predicted as looking for an excuse to call a new federal election, to stay longer in power, by getting a majority next.
He Harper has already found unsuccessful election platforms such as Transparency, Accountability, Honesty, Integrity which he did not deliver upon, or Abolishing or revising the Senate. cutting back on federal Powers..
And so why does he want another term in office when he said originally elect us and we will show you what we can do?
For we all next saw Harper rather become another dirty, corrupted, immoral, polluted politician who lied, broke his promises, hired his friends into offices as well and he really was no different!
So why do you want a majority now, to even make things worse? or falsely try to kick Quebec out of Canada?
Mr. Harper now what about rightfully getting elected by doing good work looking after all the Canadian good welfare and not trying to steal the votes by being another dirty politician?
Look when the Conservative first got elected I specially wrote that no party will next get a majority until they actually stop playing dirty politics and really started to look after the good welfare of all Canadians Canada wide and so to date we have not seen this, so we are continually in a minority government.
But we continue to be no often asked the Questions It’s time to pull the plug on the federal government? “It is not time to pull the plug?” It is the burning Federal election question of the day spinned by all the political spin doctors of all parties when they have backup support for a win from their paid lying pollsters: Both sides then do want an election when they do think they can win. But do Canadians need an election? and can any Party realy now next win a majority? No.
The first main question is rather Can any party demonstrate that it cares and is now working really for the god welfare of all Canadians and not just themselves mainly? We all now the answers, NO, for they are all ttend to be selfish, self centered only.
So the Politicians have been now often told that Canadians don’t want and don’t need another election, Canadians and are fed up with the constant shenanigans of all of the unproductive and divisive parties, all of them. Conservatives especially.
A majority government next will undeniably to not make any difference, for undeniably too they the main party will just steal more for themselves and their supporters next as well all seem to know now too. Actions speak louder than their mere words here too.
Three minority governments have confirmed that the Canadian democracy works. Stop stealing , wasting taxpayers money and go back to work looking after all Canadians in reality and not mainly the selected few. How more simple can it be said now?
Canadians have already often exercised their democratic rights over the political process and their parliamentary institutions, and have next elected a minority government cause no party is ample presently to serve the citizens effectively in reality.
The Republican-lite Harper Conservative party while it says it pines for a much reduced role of the state, yet hypocritically has been spending more money over the past Liberal government.
Also the critics would say that supposedly the Harper government is in the process of reconstructing by stealth the nature and scope of the Canadian federal system by decentralizing programs and undermining Ottawa’s future power to tax and spend. Reality the next government will no be able to spend because of the huge undeniable deficit presently being caused .
But there is the continuing duplicity of our Conservative politicians and their spin doctors who once had claimed they will operate on sound, moral principles but then quickly violate them often, even at the mere smell of a partisan political advantage. Prime Minister Stephen Harper had loudly denounces a hypothetical Liberal/NDP coalition, one backed by the dreaded separatists, and pleaded for a majority to head it off. But when he sees the Liberals may next win win he next pleads with the NDP and the Bloc to support his government or else the economy and the unemployed will suffer. And he accepts their support. aid.. Who would rightfully even want to give this hypocrite a majority even too?
Yes all the Parties are still looking mainly, firstly, selfishly after themselves and not all Canadians and this will allays be unacceptable. That is why an election is not wanted now by most Canadians.
My 89 years old father says that you all in the governments are mere parasites. Wizen up Ottawa and start looking after all Canadians, for we do not trust any of you presently to do so, to look after us all too. We are all not that stupid we can see what is really now happening too.
Stephen Harper’s Conservative minority government proposed to redistribute the federal elections ridings last year as well. But the bill was never passed into law, partly due to complaints from Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty who had felt the province wouldn’t receive enough additional parliamentary seats under the proposed changes. And Quebec and the Bloc Quebecois is expected to oppose redrawing the electoral map. The Bloc has come to hold about two-thirds of Quebec’s 75 ridings in recent elections. Adding seats elsewhere would erode the Bloc’s political clout. The Conservative Stephen Harper federal government is reportedly still working on legislation to create as many as 32 new electoral ridings across suburban areas of B.C., Alberta and Ontario so hopefully next time they can get a majority government. Changing the electoral map in such a way will play in the Conservatives’ favour because the party thinks it stands a good chance of picking up additional seats in suburban Alberta and B.C., and potentially Ontario as well. ” For Harper this is the route not only to getting rid of minority governments, and a a route to a Tory majority, creating a dynasty. The proposed changes could be presented to Parliament as early as this fall or early 2010, and would increase the number of MPs in the House of Commons to 340 from 308. The new ridings would in all probability go to suburban areas around the major cities of Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary and Toronto, communities. As a result Quebec and BQ would lose some ridings. Which will not go over in Quebec, and will be forcibly opposed, causing another federal election likely.. which is what Harper wants anyway?
Bad pastors, bad elders, bad cops, bad politicians continue to exist cause likely their supporters are bad too. (Jer 5:31 KJV) The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
Bad people try to do many bad things.. if others let them do it as well..
Our governments and our leaders seem still too ready to allow all of our taxpayer’s monies to be abused and that is unacceptable always. Someone has to be concerned about it, and one of the best ways to deal with the abuses is to expose it and to prosecuted fully all the guilty participants.
Most people still rightfully do blame the governments, politicians, bad cops and bad judges, for the existence of much too many crooked civil and public servants, crooked business persons, crooked persons in Canada. More Laws that are unenforced also tend to be still mostly useless too.
Former Quebec lieutenant-governor Lise Thibault will face six criminal charges in connection with her expense accounts. Not surprised at all… they should audit every single expense claim by people in such positions. Most civil and public servants do it but some do it on a larger scale. TYPICAL!! Politicians all think they have a right to the taxpayers money!!! Criminals is what they are.!!! Throw the book at this BI@#$!!! and put her in jail. The law should provide for double criminal penalties for anyone in elected office and quadruple criminal penalties for anyone in appointed office. To that, of course, seizure of assets to compensate not only the malfeasance, but offset the cost of prosecution and incarceration. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/09/25/thibault-charges.html
The essential needed way to save our taxpayer’s money is still to look at how all of these public services are delivered – and no one can tell me that there are no cost-cutting savings to be achieved. Compare say a city like Montreal or Toronto where exorbitant rates too now are also paid for useless civil and public servants with their rather unskilled services – sadly this same phenomena can be seen in many federal ministries. Calgary isn’t exactly squeaky clean as well nor Toronto nor Montreal.. Let’s just agree the whole system is bloody corrupt, eh? For a start all Ministers supervising better all of their expenditures, and bringing all of the subordinates salaries and wages in line with the private sector would enable us firstly to continue delivering public services at the same level, or more! It is the still the too often abusive civil and public servants spending that now also determines the still abusive personal taxes.
The sad unacceptable fact is that this type of taxpayer’s money abuse, practice is not an isolated case, but rather repeats itself often, Canada wide at the federal, provincial, municipal levels undeniably too.. Money allotted is not used where it was originally supposed to be but often is transferred to some other department, account.. and how is it the auditor generals did not pick it up for 10 years too? or refuse too?
It seems Newfoundland politicians are pleading guilty to fast and loose spending, Ontario’s e-health looked outrageous, Ottawa’s mayor did a backroom deal… The Criminals – the whole lot of them. These type of stories always make me wonder – how many other dubious contracts are signed wasting our tax dollars? Fire them all and then send them to jail. Crooked persons, civil and public servants are crooked not matter which province they come from. Sadly the cities, provinces that supposedly drive the economy they also do steal a lot of the money too.. Premier’s Letter To The Ontario Public Service No such thing as a little bit pregnant, what other wrongs, thefts are the civil and public servants doing and falsely covering up now? And now still all this being done while most Canadians now do live from paycheque to paycheque. Majority of Canadian employees living paycheque to paycheque, survey shows Is this how the rest of the federal economic stimulation money will be now abused as well? Right under the federal Conservative Minister’s noses now as well? And why is it that their only solution to any problem in Canada seems to involve a tax increase? Because sadly even that the the new Conservatives undeniably too really are not better managers over the past Liberals.. The Conservative federal government is an unacceptably very poor manager of the taxpayer’s money now as well. The Federal Transfer payments make up a very large part of federal expenditures. The federal government is a tax collector, money expediter and an useless money administrator too, while the federal government’s own regular operating expenses for fiscal 2009-2010 will be only about a quarter of its total spending all the taxpayer’s money expenditures still needs to be supervised, yes held accountable for now as well. Where is PM Stephen Harper’s promised restraint, accountability now as well? The new Conservative Ministers merely like to do all the talking but seem to bring no real, viable acts, actions on the issues still too. Unacceptable.
The Federal public servants at Transport Canada are routinely filing millions of dollars in expenses – including overtime, salaries and computers – toward a construction project that doesn’t exist. The Mackenzie Valley pipeline remains a mega-project that is perpetually on the horizon -The project seemed closer at hand when a fund was set up at Transport Canada six years ago so that the department could oversee the expected increase in air traffic and other transportation needs. Though the pipeline remains in limbo, the department has kept the fund alive year after year, using it to cover millions in expenses that have nothing to do with the pipeline. Documents released through access-to-information requests list the expenses, which total $10.7-million since 2004. Expenses continued to be billed to the pipeline project this year. ” So, when you consider that Chuck Guite (Sr. Public servant) and Paul Coffin (ad exec) started running their fake ad invoice scam during the Mulroney administration, it appears that the Liberals inherited AdScam from the Conservatives, does it not? ” “This is why our taxes are so high. Take this and the Gold that vanished at the Mint and the tab is through the roof. Anyone want to bet the Mint millions gets swept under the carpet?” ” Too much time spent electioneering and not enough time spent runnin’ things. ” http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/transport-canada-fictitiously-expensing-millions/article1286306/
Also the “Majority of persons do not trust Journalists, Labour union leaders , Provincial government officials, Building contractors , Lawyers , Bankers , Real estate agents, MPP’s/MLA’s , Car salespeople , Business executives , Stockbrokers
THERE ARE NO SURPRISES HERE FOR WE SEEM TO ALSO THINK MOST OF THESE PEOPLE CAN BE EASILY BOUGHT OR WILL SELL THEMSELVES FOR MONEY
And with all the latest Recession, Ponzi scandals it is not surprising to many persons that the Business executives and Stockbrokers are not trustworthy .
Now we should note how many Canadians hate the big three, Bell Corporations , Rogers, Telus for a start as well.
And most PEOPLE STILL DO THINK THAT ALL CEOs ARE SIGNIFICANTLY OVERPAID.. and even the University administrators… ”
Any Abuse of any taxpayers finds should be a criminal offence fully prosecutable by law, and should mean the immediate dismissal of all involved too, after all it is stealing the taxpayer’s money. Police, judges, supervisors don’t tend to enforce it cause they do the same thing? All Unacceptable still. The government “moving ahead, with more taxes” is not the most important thing that the province can do to strengthen the economy and create jobs but rather to seriously plug up the leaking holes in the taxpayer’s pail of money first.
We need better Policing and “Tougher penalties for sure!” You will get a longer jail sentence for robbing a convenience store of $50 than fleecing investors for millions (billions) or stealing any of the tax payer’s money. “Also, put an end to double credit for pre-sentence incarceration!!” Put all of the criminals in jail, and their bad supervisors now too, where they belong, and always do take way from them all that they have stolen now as well.. and do start with the bad civil and public servants now as well.
Ontario has announced new measures aimed at putting an end to recent controversies over government expense claims “The move is one of “four additional steps to protect taxpayer dollars and improve accountability,” Starting immediately, Ontario Public Service employees will be issued new, simplified guidelines for travel, meals and hospitality expenses. The province said it is also planning to increase the number of random audits it carries out on the province’s agencies, boards and commissions. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/09/14/ont-expenses.html and about time now too!
Quebec says it is intensifying police efforts to tackle corruption and financial fraud in the province amid a growing public furor over white-collar crime. The Charest government says a squad of about 20 provincial police investigators will be assigned to probe potential corruption – including the infiltration of organized crime – in the construction industry and municipal affairs. It will also bolster its police presence to track fraud with Quebec’s securities regulator, the Autorité des marchés financiers. Meanwhile, with Montrealers going to the polls this fall, city hall is under a cloud for allegations of fraud, kickbacks and the inappropriate awarding of contracts. Multiple police investigations have been launched. Last week, a senior civil servant and a computer consultant were charged with defrauding the city of millions in a bogus billing scheme in the city’s computer division. While Quebec rejigs its police manpower, some have called for a public commission into the province’s construction industry and possible ties to organized crime. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec-cracks-down-or-corruption-white-collar-crime/article1286432/
Until people start getting fired and criminal charges are laid, these type of under the table deals will continue. And we wonder why services continue to go down as taxes continue to go up. I say amend the criminal code to include a mandatory 5 year minimum jail sentence and a fine not less than 10 times the money involved, for breach of public trust. This amendment would cover all forms of corruption from conflict of interest to false accounting. By the time the first dozen or so of these crooks have been banged up – the rest won’t find public office so attractive once they know they can’t fleece the taxpayer.
Feds promise mandatory jail time for major fraud. Judges could consider restitution for victims as part of white-collar crime bill I’ve always found it funny that someone could steal a $2000 car and be sentenced to 20 years in jail. But steal 30 Million and you only do 18 months…. at Club Med. Excellent. There’s plenty of crime on Parliament Hill. Start your crackdown there. Rob a thousand people of $100,000 each, that’s a crime. Rob a million people of $100 each by credit card interest rates that’s OK, that’s business. We should have election threats every months, it seems it’s the only way anything happens on the hill. Threaten an election and suddenly the legislative agenda is crammed with draft laws that should have been there months ago. Harper – just another Calgarian running another Ponzi scheme… promising big returns but producing nothing of value. http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2009/09/15/white-collar-crime015.html , http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/transport-canada-stealing-taxpayers-money/
Also all of the governments should now step in given the justified rising anti-competitive, anti monopoly sentiment nation wide, curbing their monopoly sectors from grabbing, gouging exorbitant profits from the customers, and preventing these monopoly sectors from taking advantage of their market position to overcharge consumers. Encouraging real, valid competition, for example, is the ultimate way of breaking up monopolies. But the government some times instead sticks to price controls or no controls to tackle the monopoly problem. The governments can deal with monopolized interests only if it gathers adequate political will.
The marketing departments even of big three telecommunication firms providing internet and telephone services in Canada too : Bell , Rogers, Telus as well are still now clearly telling the lies, spinning the truth, making typically past unkept promises of the customer’s full satisfactions too, and even now advertising at great costs, high costs that will be passed on the customers even, all now done to try to win back many past lost unhappy customers, and to hopefully gain new customers, Being done basically because they are basically all UNWILLING TO FACE still OR to deal with THE ACTUAL REASONS MANY CUSTOMERS HAVE BECOME DISSATISFIED.
Every company is guilty it seems to some extent of these sad, bad practices. No companies provide a FULL service or an adequate product it seems these days.. all they provide is profits for themselves hopefully. And as long as we allow them to do so, by letting companies and industries run roughshod over the governance of the country, then this will continue. Good Products and good services falsely are a distant second in offerings in relation to corporate profits.
The Canadian cell phone and internet speeds, rates among world’s worst, Canadians are being hosed for their access still too. A few years ago, Canada was ahead in the internet field. Then Bell and the CRTC sat back and let the world pass us by, while the Conservatives lacked the will, vision to notice, admit this was even a problem. Harper’s Conservatives, DO NOTHING! http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/crtc-farcical-hearings-on-internet-speed-control/
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I meet the same types of crooks in and out if the churches, in the work place, in politics, governments now too. So rightfully I do not think much of alcoholics, criminals, liars, control freaks, bullies too and do see also my many posts on how to deal with control freaks.. abusers.. for example
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/ or
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-too-common-abusive-silent-treatment/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/more-about-control-freaks/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/shocked/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/a-hireling-in-an-evangelical-church/
http://thenonconformer.blogspot.com/2008/12/coping-with-bad.html
A picture is worth a 1000 words? so what about a movie?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX20u1Y_iik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivWq14vsIU&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuEdY0jy4GE&feature=channel
Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty is the best overall approach for all still do..
Please do see also, and do pass it on…
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/pretentious-incompetent-in-real-life/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/stop-the-crooks-in-the-governments/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/unacceptable-rcmp-coverup-of-the-killing-of-robert-dziekanski/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/bittorrent-p2p-sites/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/the-new-still-sad-unacceptable-reality/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/corruptions-people-still-rightfully-do-blame-the-governments/
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It is all very simple to see, understand as to what is really happening now.. for it is very very common for the devil to make any Christian go to extremes, and become self centered, if he cannot firstly discredit the ministry. This is what is often happening
note why the Bible forbids novices in the ministry.. (1 Tim 3:6 KJV) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. No such thing as a one man, exclusive, independent ministry too.. All persons, spirits are subject to Jesus, the prophets, one another still too.. submit one to another.. merely tell them that in love..
(1 Cor 16:16 KJV) That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with us, and laboureth.
(Heb 13:17 KJV) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
(James 4:7 KJV) Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
(1 Pet 5:5 KJV) Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
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