Now A DEFINITE fool had in a church boasted to me he never missed a church service for 5 years, in an evangelical church, but he also thought that all religions were the same.. what just like all food is the same and good to eat?… dream on… imagine this he had attended church for 5 years but he still could not hear Jesus talking to him yet… because Jesus was not his Lord yet.. and cause he clearly had bad pastors who did not tell the whole truth, preach the full gospel to him, how absurd. Well I am not that kind of a pastor. Thank God.
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Now as you all do know there are always good and bad churches too, the good and bad Pentecostal churches now as well.. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-pentecostal-movement/
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A very lively good church is led by the Holy Spirit and right, godly leaders.. and in a very bad church the shepherds are bad.. led mostly by the devil and self.
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Pentecostal Christians generally do differ from many other Christian organizations by their belief in the existence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, miracles, gifts of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues today.
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One other way you can spot a cult, a bad church, a bad denomination is their false attempts of claiming to be exclusive, they thus are composed of mainly a certain segment of society generally.. poor people with nothing to give generally excluded too.
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Bad people ALSO by their own free will choose to do bad things cause it TOO OFTEN suits their bad moral values too.
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So yes there are also too many false professing Christians churches who in reality do not listen, hear from Jesus but mainly from mere men, and they are doing their own thing, generally a cultural thing..
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But the Jesus Name Apostolic Holiness Church, Oneness Pentecostal Christianity IS STILL A CULT, IT IS NOT A TRUE PENTECOSTAL CHURCH.. but there are true, GOOD Pentecostal Christian churches still.
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Dispensationalists and Christian Zionists are not the only cultish professing Christians groups as there are others now as well..
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Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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Yes there is only one God..
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But the Oneness teachers who like the dispensationalists, are very new to the Christian religious scene as well, say, falsely that Biblical passages indicate that the Son was only a thought or plan in the Father’s mind when the Father (Jesus’ divine nature) created all things. Rather the Son is biblically (exegetically) presented as the Creator of all things Himself.
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It is always possible for anyone to identify the right God and yet have some wrong, unbiblical ideas about him. Where is the line between worshiping the wrong God, and worshiping the right God the wrong way? Many people even worship a false Jesus undeniably as well and preach a false Gospel, not the full Gospel of Jesus Christ..
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Now anyone who really knows the Bible would not be so much in error to support now also any of the Oneness Pentecostals.. Rather these more Oneness teachers do firstly show to all as to how little they do personally know of the Bible, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit now too..
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That the Son was the Creator clearly disproves firstly the Oneness position. If the Son did not eternally exist with the Father as a distinct Person why is it that the “Son” can say, “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had [eichon, or “shared”] with You before the world was” (emphasis added)? How did the Son have (literally, actively possessed) glory with (para) the Father before time if the Son did not exist before Bethlehem?;
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An evangelist R. E. McAlister in 1913 preached on the discrepancy between the command in Matthew 28:19 to “baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,” and the Apostles’ reported practice of baptizing in the name of the Lord, or of Jesus (Acts 2:38 et al). Frank J. Ewart began pondering McAlister’s sermon and he falsely discovered a way to harmonize the two baptisms: the name “Jesus” must be the actual name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the one name into which we are to be baptized. “ If “Jesus” is the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit, then Jesus is himself the exhaustive totality of what had mistakenly been called the Trinity. The ancient Christian doctrine of God would have to be modified drastically to fit the new “apostolic” understanding of baptism. “ The devil there took a good religious movement and sent it into a major tailspin in the wrong direction now too.The new practice of re-baptism to achieve theological correctness and the new doctrine of the anti-trinitarian Jesus-centered modalism forced the fledgling Assemblies of God movement and in October 1916, Oneness teachers were rightfully expelled
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When the Apostle Paul undeniably says that “God sent forth his Son in the fullness of time,” trinitarians infer rightfully this to mean that God must have had a Son to send forth when the time came. But the Oneness Pentecostals interpret this biblical language to mean that when the time came, God put into action his plan to begin a new mode of existence among men, which he would call “the Son.” Wow!! what a big Biblical error.. This contradicts John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
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and this all substantiates “the eternal pre-existence of the Son”. Pre-existence is also the best way to make sense of the famous passage in Philippians 2, in which Paul exhorts his readers to “have this mind in yourself which was also in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, did not grasp equality with Him, but made Himself nothing, taking on the form of a servant…” Similarly, in Galatians Paul says that “when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his son, born of a woman.” True CHristians do say “We believe that there is one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.”
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Now reading the Gospel of John again you can certainly also notice that Jesus Christ is practically totally obsessed his holy Father. He prays to the Father, teaches about the Father, explains the love he and the Father have for each other, claims to be sent by the Father, looks forward to returning to the Father, asks the Father to glorify him with the glory they shared before the foundation of the world, etc. It is here very clear that Jesus stands personally before another existing divine person, the Father and he Jesus is not talking solely to himself.
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Yes Oneness Pentecostalism” is a descriptive name for an anti-trinitarian religious movement that developed over the course of the twentieth century. it has existed in various denominational forms and organizations, with its largest current manifestation being the United Pentecostal Church International. In most of its major forms it has been distinguished by:
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*A commitment to baptism in Jesus’ name rather than in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (including re-baptism for those baptized wrong the first time);
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*An accompanying rejection of the traditional Trinitarian doctrine held by the historic Christian churches;
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*A consequent rejection of the pre-existence of the Son of God.
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Sometimes (but not always) these churches are also characterized by:
*Legalism that manifests itself in making salvation depend on water baptism using the Jesus-only formula, baptism in the Holy Spirit with accompanying signs of tongues-speaking, and maintaining specific standards of conduct.
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*Splitting Jesus Christ into a human person and a separate divine person, so that the one can pray to the other as “the Father.” (This is a form of the Nestorian heresy);
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This again the greatest weakness of the Oneness position: For if the Son created, then, He eternally existed with the Father.
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“There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three separate manifestations: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” is a major error called Modalism, which is a heresy that teaches the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit do not simultaneously exist as distinct persons Rather, God at some times and places is the Father, at some times the Son, and other times the Holy Spirit. Trinity is defined : “There is one God in whom there are three eternal, simultaneous persons — the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. All three are the one God, coeternal, coequal, etc., The keywords here are “three manifestations.”
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If Oneness doctrine (or Modalism) is the so-called doctrine of the apostles, then, why was it universally condemned as *heretical* by the early church Fathers (some of who were disciples of the original apostles) and condemned by all the important church councils and creeds?
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Modalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God. It is a denial of the Trinity. Modalism states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes, or forms. Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son and after Jesus’ ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit. These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous. In other words, this view states that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit never all exist at the same time, only one after another. Modalism denies the distinctiveness of the three persons in the Trinity even though it retains the divinity of Christ. Present day groups that hold to forms of this error are the United Pentecostal and United Apostolic Churches. They deny the Trinity, teach that the name of God is Jesus, and require baptism for salvation. These modalist churches often accuse Trinitarians of teaching three gods. This is not what the Trinity is. The correct teaching of the Trinity is one God in three eternal coexistent persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.; and if they are in error on this essential Christian error I can assure you there are many many other errors in their lives too.
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United Pentecostal and United Apostolic Churches falsely do deny Trinitarian orthodoxy, as they do consider Jesus to be so utterly and exhaustively divine that he is all there is now to God’s nature. In this case, Jesus Christ’s divinity is recognized, but his relationship to the Father and his dependence on the Spirit are not acknowledged to be anything but his relationship to his own divinity. Clearly not what the Bible demonstrates. They the Oneness Pentecostals falsely begin to think of him Jesus-God as the one unipersonal God taking on human nature. This view immediately raises the question of who Jesus Christ the Son of God is talking to when he prays to his Father. Since Jesus is all there is of God, he must be talking in prayer to himself somehow, and anyway it must be himself in some other mode of being. They are Unorthodox as they not only do do deny the Trinity. but they do Baptize in the name of the Lord Jesus rather than in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. and are legalistic, and do not preach the full, true gospel.; Deny justification by faith alone by stating that baptism is also required for salvation or that Baptism is necessary for salvation. Baptism must be administered by an ordained Oneness minister to be valid. They also do lie when they say that Only Oneness people will go to heaven, if you have not met THEIR PARTICULAR CULT’S requirements for salvation then you’re going to go to hell. They clearly are also representatives of the classic cult mind control. Even here a false religion is among Satan’s oldest traps and cults of Christianity too. They’ve believed another gospel and have invented another Jesus and they seek after converts in order to make them twice the sons of hell that they are themselves.
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If Jesus is the Father, why is there not a single passage that states this in the NT or the OT? The fact is, Jesus is explicitly referred to as “the Son” over 200 times in the NT–never as Father or Holy Spirit. In the NT, Jesus refers to the Father over 200 times as someone else. The truth is that the New Testament itself teaches over and over that Jesus is the Son of God and Son of man, but He is NEVER ONCE called the Father.
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Further, the Father and Jesus are mentioned in the same verse over 50 times. Further, 179 times, Jesus refers to the Father as “the Father,” “my Father,” or “your Father” in the Gospels as distinct from himself, at no time does he refer to “my Son” or anything of the sort as distinct from himself! Forty times in John’s Gospel, Jesus refers to himself as “sent by the Father,” but never does he refer to himself as the Father who sent the Son;
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It is true that we are so committed to the deity of Christ (rightly so!) that while we can easily see how this doctrine could be under-emphasized, By the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses for example., it may be hard for some of us to imagine how it would be possible also to over-emphasize it. Yet over-emphasizing or misunderstanding Christ’s deity is exactly what Oneness Pentecostals have falsely done. The Oneness theology also falsely denies Jesus Christ’s eternal existence
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If anyone had believed in the Trinity he should use words like “simultaneous,” “coeternal,” or “coequal” when referring to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit’s relationship to one another.;
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But also now God is no longer just a Spirit.. as you know he took on a Body.. your spirit God is now Jesus Christ in the flesh.. Jesus who is God now has a visible body.. that he ascended to heaven with as well.. Jesus’s real Body is all part of the trinity. Trinity is a valid biblical doctrine and you would know this if you do know of the Bible, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit now too..
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And John 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.;
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Who is Steve Winter?
“Steve Winter is a defrocked pastor (apparently by the same man who ordained him – Marvin Arnold) and the operator of a system known as “PRIME.ORG”. He lives in Durham, NC, and is also a re-seller of computer equipment1. At one point, he had begun to re-sell internet services (presumably from PSI), though that ISP TOS’d him (see below). He continues to list internet access on his web page, so he is likely reselling from or through his current provider. Mr. Winter claims to be a Reverend representing “Jesus Name Apostolic Holiness Church, Inc.” He operates a Web page ( http://www.prime.org ) which describes his particular doctrinal distinctive. He claims the page is a ministry of the a fore mentioned church. ” http://users.rcn.com/sadams.enteract/winfaq.html http://adamsemail.net/winter/winfaq.html
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Oneness Pentecostalism is a movement of Pentecostal Christianity that believes in the atoning death of Jesus Christ, His resurrection, His soon return, and the inerrancy of the Word of God as contained in the Bible, but differs from mainstream Pentecostalism by following the doctrine of Oneness. Oneness Pentecostalism teaches a literal interpretation of the biblical teaching of salvation with emphasis on the teaching of Jesus Christ & His Apostles, citing “John 3:1-12&”Acts 2:38 experience” as necessary for salvation and places special emphasis on the direct personal experience of God through the baptism of the Holy Spirit, as shown in the Biblical account of the Day of Pentecost. It teaches that personal conversion is to be followed by holy living and exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit“Galatians 5:22.Although both Oneness and Trinitarian denominations acknowledge the God of the Bible as the only God in existence, and that Jesus was born, died, and resurrected, Oneness doctrine differs from mainstream Christian denominations in that the traditional concept of the Trinity is rejected as an inadequate and inaccurate description of God. According to the United Pentecostal Church International, the largest Oneness Pentecostal body in the United States, Oneness Pentecostals identify Jesus essentially as the human manifestation of God (Jehovah), i.e. God incarnate. [1].Citing 1Timothy 2:5, the Oneness doctrine affirms that God is indivisibly one, and sees the biblical distinction between God the Father and the man Jesus, as being a proper, observable father-son distinction, except between an incorporeal, transcendent, eternal God as Father, and a human, begotten man as Son, in whom God manifested Himself for the purpose of salvation. Oneness doctrine affirms the full deity of Jesus, by holding that God incarnate manifested Himself to humanity in the man Jesus. It refutes the Trinitarian proposal that the one, true God is comprised of three co-divine, co-equal, co-eternal, co-powerful persons. In the sense that the one God and one man of 1Timothy 2:5 co-exist simultaneously, they teach that Jesus exists simultaneously both as man Jesus and as God (God the Father an invisible, transcendent, Spirit) inseparably united (see John 10:30) as the Son of God. Citing John 4:24 (God is a Spirit), Oneness doctrine uses the terms God the Father and Holy Spirit as references to the same one God, who is Spirit. It affirms that the Holy Spirit and God the Father are one in the same Godhead, but only as separate manifestations or relationships of the one person or being that is God.”Oneness”, “Apostolic” and “Jesus’ Name” are adherents’ preferred self-designations.[1].Oneness Pentecostals have also been identified as “Holy Rollers” for their lively style of worship, which can include running church aisles, known as victory marches, as well as jumping, dancing, shouting, and clapping. This label is generally used as a negative term by critics. The church services are also punctuated at times with acts of speaking in tongues (glossolalia), interpretations of tongues, prophetical messages, and the laying of hands for the purposes of healing. These events can happen spontaneously during normal service with no forewarning or direct guidance by the leader of the service, or more often at massive altar calls where the entire congregation is encouraged to come and pray together for various purposes at the altar.Oneness Pentecostals commonly refer to all saved Christians as saints and often refer to the men as brothers and the women as sisters, often as a title (i.e. Bro. Smith or Sis. Henderson),in their normal day-to-day speech both in and outside of church. While the UPCI, PAW, and other Oneness Pentecostal churches do allow women to serve as pastors and evangelize, some Oneness Pentecostals hold the belief that women ministers are unscriptural. Ministers at all levels are allowed to marry and have children. Homosexual marriages are forbidden under all circumstances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostalism
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The so-called Apostolic churches, also called “United Pentecostal” churches (not to be confused with other Pentecostal churches) together with their independent church break-offs form the cult known as “Jesus Only”. This “Jesus Only Movement”, which is in fact not of Jesus, has been making its move to infiltrate and lead astray and away the flocks of other churches with a false spirit renewal, legalistic teaching and a call to pseudo-holiness.
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One of the most subtle forms of doctrinal deviation ever to infiltrate the Christian Church was known as Sabellianism (named after Sabellius, a Latin theologian of the third century). Sabellius taught that God was one Person, not three, and that He appeared in “modes” or “manifestations” – as the Father, as the Son, or as the Holy Spirit. For Sabelluis, however, the Father alone was truly God, the Son and the Spirit being repetitions of Himself in other “modes” or “manifestations.” Sabellius was condemned for his views, his modalistic theology refuted, and the heresy that he spawned was rejected by the early Christian Church.1 http://biblefacts.org/cult/oneness.html
Oneness Pentecostalism
Official Names and Membership (estimates):
Apostolic Overcoming Holy Church of God (AOHCG)-13,000; Assemblies of the Lord Jesus, Inc. (ALJI)-50,000; Bible Way Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ World Wide, Inc. (Bible Way)-250,000; Church of Our Lord Jesus of the Apostolic Faith (COLJF)-30,000; Pentecostal Assemblies of the World (PAW)-1,000,000 reported; Pentecostal Church of Apostolic Faith (PCAF)-25,000; United Church of Jesus Christ (Apostolic) (UCJC-A)-100,000; United Pentecostal Church International (UPCI)-500,000 (1.5 million worldwide)
Other Designations: “Jesus Only” churches; “Apostolic Pentecostals”; The “Oneness Movement”; The “Jesus Name” Movement
Key Publications:
Pentecostal Herald (UPCI), The Global Witness (UPCI), The Bible Way News Voice (Bible Way), The People’s Mouthpiece (AOHCG), The Contender for the Faith (COLJF), Christian Outlook (PAW)
Educational Institutions:
AOHCG: Berean Christian Bible College-Birmingham, Ala. PAW: Aenon Bible School-Indianapolis, Ind. UCJC: Institute of Biblical Studies-Baltimore, Md. UPCI: Apostolic Bible Institute-St. Paul, Minn. Apostolic Missionary Institute-Oshawa, Ont. Christian Life College-Stockton, Calif. Indiana Bible College-Seymour, Ind. Texas Bible College-Houston, Texas
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Oneness Pentecostals of all branches affirm the authority of the Bible for doctrine. Many, however, utilize only the King James Version to proof text their unique doctrines. In addition, many Oneness advocates rely on the unbiblical revelations received by various Oneness leaders whom they regard as divinely inspired or anointed interpreters of the Bible. For example, many in UPCI consider the writings of Frank Ewart and John G. Scheppe as authoritative.
The Oneness Pentecostal view of God is similar to the ancient heresy of Modalism. Modalism is the belief that one God existed in time in three distinct modes of being: first as the Father in heaven; second, bodily as the Son on earth; and finally as the Holy Spirit.
The Bible indeed teaches the existence of only one God (Deut. 6:4). Nonetheless, historic Christianity maintains that the doctrine of the Trinity (or tri-unity of God) is taught in Scripture. The Bible teaches that the one God exists eternally in three separate and distinct Persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Colossians 2:9 does not teach that the totality of the Godhead was in the body of Jesus, but rather that Jesus embodied the totality of the divine nature and God is totally revealed in Him. If the Father and the Son are the same person, then the Oneness teachers have a difficult job explaining how the Father and the Son can love each other (See Matt. 3:17; 17:5; John 3:35; 5:20; 2 Pet. 1:17), talk to each other (see John 11:41-42; 12:28; 17:1-26), and know each other (see Matt. 11:27; Luke 10:22; John 7:29).
Matthew 28:19 clearly reflects the trinitarian concept that the “name” (authority and characteristics) of the one God is incorporated in the three Persons of the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (see 1 Cor. 8:6; 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 1:21-22; 13:14; 1 Pet. 1:2). (See the following verses affirming the personality and deity of the Holy Spirit: Luke 12:12; John 15:26; Acts 5:3-10; 13:2-4; 1 Cor. 12:11; Eph. 4:30; Heb. 3:7.)
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JUST CAUSE I EXPOSE RIGHTFULLY ONE BAD PENTECOSTAL CHURCH DOES NOT NOW MEAN THAT I BASH ALL PENTECOSTALS, PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES, OR ALL CHURCHES.
One of the strongest things I have objected to in my life is the false Pentecostal bashers- The clear attempt to paint everyone else black, wrong now, all Pentecostals included as being dirtied, everyone here associated painted by one dirty paint brush, is clearly a common work also of the devil and prideful persons. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/the-false-smears/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/ http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-false-dispensationalists-dispensationalism/
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There is no law that says I have to still allow or to accept quietly the false, unfair abuse of even any of the Pentecostal Christians for that matter now as well and anywhere world wide, even on the net.
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I too noted once again how sadly too many so called professing fundamental or some Catholic Christians now do make false, lying, unsubstantiated, over simplified, and unbiblical statements about those crazy Charismatics or Pentecostals but even here there are still genuine Christian workers of miracles.. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/those-crazy-charismatics-or-pentecostals/
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Are we really to believe that 537 million Christians experience continual demonic manifestations of false tongues, when false tongues were so rare that the Bible did not even address the issue?” ” http://brothermel.com/theboogeymancalledfalsetongues.aspx
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For certainty also because of the demonic opposition the devil will try to discourage you from finding out or reading about the Holy spirit, Charismatics, Pentecostals and the Bible. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/restoration/
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THERE IS A VERY BASIC COMMON MISCONCEPTION ON HOW TO DEAL WITH ANY PERCEIVED EVEN INJUSTICES, ABUSES, ANYWHERE, IN THE CHURCH AS WELL, BESIDES IMMEDIATELY CALLING THE LOCAL POLICE..
THE NEW TESTAMENT IS CLEAR HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.. COMMUNICATION – AND YOU DON’T FIRST POST IT ALL ON THE NET.
First you merely ask the guilty, bad persons personally to repent twice, the first time without a witness, the second time with witnesses THAT you have asked them to repent.. and proof, substantiation is NOT required.. after you have done that you can next post it openly on the net, tell all the others.
Next God is fully free to deal with the unrepentant guilty offenders and believe me he will.. I have now been doing for decades too..I SIMPLY SEND AN EMAIL, I PUT IT INTO CLEARLY WRITING, SO THE GUILTY PARTY CANNOT SAY I DID NOT ASK HIM OR HER TO REPENT.
WHETHER THEY ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT TO GOD DOES NOT MATTER.
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The resurrection of Jesus Christ was not only witnessed by the Apostles, it was also written done by one of them, apostle Luke too, the account we can all read today in the Bible but God on top of that now has given his holy spirit as a witness of this reality to all those who truly believe him too
Acts 1:1 IN THE former account [which I prepared], O Theophilus, I made [a continuous report] dealing with all the things which Jesus began to do and to teach
Acts 1:3 To them also He showed Himself alive after His passion (His suffering in the garden and on the cross) by [a series of] many convincing demonstrations [unquestionable evidences and infallible proofs], appearing to them during forty days and talking [to them] about the things of the kingdom of God.
Acts 1:4 And while being in their company {and} eating with them, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem but to wait for what the Father had promised, Of which [He said] you have heard Me speak.
Acts 1:5 For John baptized with water, but not many days from now you shall be baptized with (placed in, introduced into) the Holy Spirit.
Acts 1:6 So when they were assembled, they asked Him, Lord, is this the time when You will reestablish the kingdom {and} restore it to Israel?
Acts 1:7 He said to them, It is not for you to become acquainted with {and} know what time brings [the things and events of time and their definite periods] or fixed years and seasons (their critical niche in time), which the Father has appointed (fixed and reserved) by His own choice {and} authority {and} personal power.
Acts 1:8 But you shall receive power (ability, efficiency, and might) when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be My witnesses in Jerusalem and all Judea and Samaria and to the ends (the very bounds) of the earth.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared to them tongues resembling fire, which were separated {and} distributed and which settled on each one of them.
Acts 2:16 But this is [the beginning of] what was spoken through the prophet Joel:
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels] and your young men shall see visions (divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream [divinely suggested] dreams.
Acts 2:18 Yes, and on My menservants also and on My maidservants in those days I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels and predicting future events pertaining especially to God's kingdom].
Acts 2:21 And it shall be that whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [invoking, adoring, and worshiping the Lord--Christ] shall be saved.
Acts 2:38 And Peter answered them, Repent (change your views and purpose to accept the will of God in your inner selves instead of rejecting it) and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of {and} release from your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:39 For the promise [of the Holy Spirit] is to {and} for you and your children, and to {and} for all that are far away, [even] to {and} for as many as the Lord our God invites {and} bids to come to Himself.
I have been to one of these bad denominational church myself and witnessed the pastor, lying, stealing, abusing others too and I had even reported it to the Police
[...]The Pentecostals do now differ very significantly from the other main Christian Denominations including the Mennonites, Brethren, Baptists, Catholics, Anglican, Presbyterian for they preach the whole or full Gospel of Jesus Christ; Jesus as Savior, Healer, Deliverer, Provider, coming King, Baptizer of the Holy Ghosts, Sanctifier, Giver of gifts too… and yet this denomination basically is not more spiritual over the others, mainly because the leadership has watered down the requirements of what it takes to be a Christian, a church member .. apparently you can often buy a membership by tithing, giving ten percent of your income to the local church..[...]
“I do not know if this helps their purposes but they usually write as if the Apostolic movement started with the UPC. The truth is that the UPC did not start until the 1940’s, which UPC authors such as David Bernard acknowledge and point this fact out to the critics. Organisations such as the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World (est. 1904) pre-date even the Azusa Street revival of 1906. And while P.A.W became officially recognised as a Oneness Pentecostal church c. 1914, ministers belonging to the organisation such as Albert Vealey were preaching the Acts 2.38 message before 1900 – this is a documented fact by historians such as (the late) Dr Marvin Arnold and Dr Joe Nelson (and c.f. Tyson, J., The Early Pentecostal Revival, WAP)
Some beliefs held by the UPC but not all Oneness Pentecostal groups include:
1. Women not cutting their hair. Some other Oneness groups believe a woman should cover her head when praying/prophesying (e.g. with a hat) – this is v. true of West Indian and Jamaican Apostolic groups. Others, for example the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World (PAW) do not believe in any head covering. But the way Apostolic groups are written about you would believe that the standard doctrine of all churches is that women do not cut their hair.
2. No TV. This is a doctrine held by some organisations, but not all. I believe that you should be careful what you watch, but would not say one should not own a TV althogether. After all, the devil could just as easily lead someone into sin via. the Internet.
3. Worship on a Sunday. Its a little known fact that one of, if not the largest Apostolic group – The True Jesus Church originating in China with 1.5 million members worship on the 7th day. This church are not adventists, their belief in 7th day worship comes from the church originating underground in China – with a brother receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit and seeing from the Word baptism should be in Jesus’ Name (Acts 2.38). He was led by revelation of the Word after receiving the Spirit into the belief that God is One and not a Trinity of persons (i.e. One God who manifests as Father, is in the Son and moves by the Holy Spirit). A peculiarity of their group is 7th day worship (i.e. Saturday not Sunday). This group is not covered by any of our critics despite their vast size.
The point of my 3 examples, I could have selected more, was to show that within the Apostolic faith (Oneness Pentecostals) while we all share a common faith in One God and baptism in Jesus’ Name, we don’t all do things the same, our faith is not out of a text book or manual other than the Bible – as such their are differences of administration – but it is the self-same Spirit that works in all!
I only wish someone out there who was criticising the Oneness Pentecostal movement would be less myopic in their write ups of what ‘Oneness Pentecostals’ believe! And don’t even get me started on http://www.carm.org’s – ‘How to witness to a Oneness Pentecostal’. “http://www.carm.org/oneness/witness.htm
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It has been very interesting to me that some of the biggest alcoholics and false proponents of ALCOHOL now are Ministers themselves.. and what else do they do? tax evasions, adultery, divorce, slander, gossip, no wonder in my own real personal experiences the last 5 decades too that 70 percent of the pastors are ungodly, immoral still and undeniably very very few people respect them anymore for what they do and say.
It is often also non surprising to me that people who are closed to be led by the Holy spirit, to Pentecostalism, tongues would prefer the demonic spirit of drunkenness.
No other issue tends to divide the church and evoke as much deep seated emotion as the question of alcohol, but only for the alcoholics now too, for in general, is itself a false statement.. for clearly the issue of gay marriages, but note esepcially speaking in tongues, Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and Healing, gifts of the Holy spirit, impartation, cause more discussions and oppositions too, as the Anglican Church splits, and as the latests net exposes about the Todd Bentley Florida revival has clearly shown
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/the-witchhunt-against-the-pentecostals-backfired/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/the-nomination-of-republican-vice-president-sarah-plain-has-certainly-sparked-interest/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/religious-topics-of-interest/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/disturbing-trend-sensationalized-religious-postings-bashings/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/laying-of-hands-impartation-breathe-of-the-spirit-anointings-anointed/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/what-is-the-general-christian-sentiment-towards-pentecostalism/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-d
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/betrayers-of-jesus-christ/
http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/as-many-as-are-led-by-the-spirit-of-god/
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Now why is it too often that I have observed that when the local politicians are obviously crooked en masse so are the local churches.. is it due to the fact a crooked church has no influence on the others?
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